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July 25, 2012


Just because he didn’t say it, don’t be so sure that Obama doesn’t consider lack of free will central to his core beliefs.

Remember, Obama’s childhood mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, often mentioned in ‘Dreams From My Father.’ It is well established that Frank Marshall Davis was a dues paying member of the Communist Party.


Marx and Engels’ ‘Communist Manifesto’ itself denies free will. It’s as if Obama lifted his “You didn’t build that” speech directly from the manifesto itself:

"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of the conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property… don't wrangle with us so long as you apply… the standard of your bourgeois notions of freedom, culture, law, etc." And: "Law, morality and religion are… bourgeois prejudices, behind which lurk in ambush just as many bourgeois interests."


Barry affectionately referred to Frank Marshall Davis as ‘Pop.’ It’s a damn shame for Barry that Pop isn’t still around today. I’m sure it would have been the realization of a dream for Pop to hear the words “You didn’t build that” coming from his little man in the White House.

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The influence of and association with communists and anti-american radicals is so extensive in Ob*ma's background that it is difficult to imagine that he would think otherwise. The evidence is in by this and by his statements, actions and appointees. What he envisions is not the America envisioned by the Founders.

Some of which Founders endorsed slavery of blacks and the wiping away of Indians.

Robert Paul Howard

They did not put slavery and Indian abuse into the Constitution or Bill of Rights.


Article I, Section 9, of the Constitution as adopted forbade any law of Congress from forbidding the importation of slaves until 1808.

The "vision" of many "Founders" was so completely ~"natural"~ (as well as largely based on the {Christian] Bible) that many topics were not expressly dealt with: cf. "women's rights," the permissibility of drinking alcohol, racism, sexism, criminality of homosexual acts. Many reactionaries would like to go back to that very unjust style of culture. Others do not agree.

Fortunately, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were/are humanly devised documents, not "holy scripture" (as contrary to the opinion of Glenn Beck et al.). It is not "anti-American" to seek for higher standards of justice than the "Founders" of the US envisioned.

But, then, some say it's all just "mind stuff."

Robert Paul Howard

Hmmm, I was wrong. That's mind stuff for you. But they did get rid of the slavery thing pretty quickly.

Anyway, the general idea of the founders was "leave me alone". Ob*ma does not want to leave me alone.

Yep, wrong. But they did get rid of the slavery thing rather quickly.

Anyway, the founders did not envision a massive govt. apparatus as does Ob*ma. Granted, the world is much more complex these days with so many ways people can screw each other over.

Often using traditional concepts/values as if they were somehow "Godly."

Robert Paul Howard

but maybe not by respecting them.

Hello. I'm Chandler Klebs. George Ortega made be the new administrator of his website and so I've been visiting the links. Obviously, as you know, this is one of them.

Also I want to let you know that we've started a new podcast called Free Will, Science, and Religion. George, me, and a bunch of other people regularly record episodes where we talk about the implications of not having free will.

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