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December 24, 2007


"Good god. Civilization has progressed so far in the past two thousand years. And also, when it comes to religion, not an inch."

Well, you can say those very sentences, in a public venue, and not have our nuts end up in a vice. I mean... there has been SOME movement :-)

Merry merry,


Yes let's celebrate (as a previous commenter said)--

"Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie, who was his own father, can make you live forever if you simbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood, and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove some evil force from your soul, present in all humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat the fruit of a magic tree.... Yeah, that's likely!"

***However, the spirit of kindness and generosity towards others is a good thing. So, take the good with the absurd.

Bp, good point. Criticism of religion is indeed tolerated to a much greater extent now. But I'd ascribe this mostly to secular changes (like the Enlightenment), not to any basic evolution in religious thought.

If fundamentalist Christians in the United States had their way, they'd stifle agnostic and atheist dissent insofar as the Constitution allowed.

Zip Lee, religious people certainly often are kind and generous, just as non-religious people are. We shouldn't credit religion for kindness and generosity, though. The ancient Greek philosophers preached and practiced the same virtues from a secular foundation.

I just ran across the "Unitarians Are Good. For Nothing" t-shirt.

That says it all. Lots of people are good not to get a reward in heaven, or desirable karma, but for nothing other than doing good itself. To my mind, that's a higher order of goodness than doing good because you're commanded to, or to earn divine goodies after you die.

A more meaningful celebration at this time of the year is the Winter Solstice and it harkens back to nature, not to a 'religion' as such.

The problem with what is called Christianity today is it doesn't follow Christ, has little resemblance to anything he taught, favors torture, materialism, wars of financial gain, etc etc. That religion should be more accurately termed christianst as it kind of pares off a few pieces of what were taught to be Christ's teaching, as well as Lao Tzu and many other spiritual teachers through the ages, and goes straight on to what matters the most-- financial gain and power for a select group.

The funny part is that Christianists today are so worried that their holiday will be stolen and yet they aimed it to be at the time of Saturnalia, the Solstice and Hanukkah to steal that time for a birth that never happened then.

The rituals most equate with Christmas are mostly pagan and if we all went back to pagan celebrations at this time of the year, they'd have more meaning for our own lives, be less materialistic, and do more for the earth. Of course, it'd also spoil the profits of a lot of businesses...

What a GREAT DAY today.
My son and I tuned up his car and flushed the cooling system.
Then we put our new studded snow tires on the car.
Punched out a pile of stencils to label all of the new hives.
Damn! One sure feels good at the end of the day if something meaningful and tangible took place in their day.
Let's hear it for REALITY!!!


I may have to track you down to pick your brain, I'm starting my first hives this spring... they're top-bar and urban, so not the normal deal, but I'm excited.

Bpaul, Harry makes it easy to track him down. Just follow his comment signature to the Oregon State Beekeepers Association website.

There you'll find that he's the regional representative for the Willamette Valley. So he's got a lot of knowledge that you can pick out of his brain.

By the way, loved your comment, Harry. Reality -- that's what it's all about.

If you're not Christian why are you opening gifts? It is after all a Christian holiday.

Debbie, actually it isn't just a Christian holiday. It's also a pagan holiday, as anyone can tell by the godless shoppers in stores all through December. See:

Does anyone really think that Jesus called for the worship of VISA cards?

I celebrate the winter solstice and giving. Including giving to myself (we also give a lot to charity; some Christians copy this common secular practice, when they aren't out using their VISA cards).

Brian has a point, Debbie.
Its not all about opening gifts; its about giving.
For example, I sat down and GAVE a check to 1000 Friends of Oregon not too long ago....
....then on November 6th I RECIEVED a heartwarming blessing from Oregon Voters!
One just has to get into the happy, happy spirit.

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