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November 18, 2007


“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”


“Intellectual activity is a danger to the building of character”


“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it”


“Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”

John Stuart Mill

Red Cloud, good quotes. There indeed does seem to be a decided difference between progressives and conservatives when it comes to facts.

Progressives like them a lot more than conservatives. I think it has something (maybe almost everything) to do with a faith-based way of looking at the world.

Religious fundamentalists consider that the end (times) justify the means. So do right wing political fundamentalists. Which includes Oregonians in Action.

Not to disrupt or rock the boat.... (too much!)
But your comments are misplaced at least on three levels.
1) I am very conservative in most aspects, but not religious, let alone a religious fundamentalist!!!
Rash over-generalization.
2) Knuckleheadedness is not soley the trait of the ultra, ultra, right wing ilk.
The glass house ultra libs are their equal in my opinion. Just as lost, helpless and clueless at times.
3) Back on topic ( :-Q ) Although I did meet a few slimeballs at the Land Use Fairness hearings, many of the good farmers fighting measure 37 were solid republicans.
I thank them for their contribution!

Harry, I stand corrected. I shouldn't have said "conservatives" in the comment above.

What I was thinking of were "fundamentalist conservatives" -- whether this be a fundamentalism of a religious or political variety.

My mother was deeply, deeply conservative. I grew up with National Review and William F. Buckley.

But she was open-minded, just as you are. She loved a good discussion. And even better, a good argument. My mother respected facts, even though she was adept at using them to her advantage in a debate.

I've got no problem with that, none at all. What bothers me, and you, is when groups like Oregonians in Action purposely twist the facts to fit their rigid agenda.

Yes, most farmers supported Measure 49. And they aren't exactly flaming liberals. That's why it's amusing when OIA types call Measure 49 supporters "communists."

That sure doesn't describe you. Nor me. And certainly not the members of the Oregon Farm Bureau.

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