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Enjoyed this post. And loved the airplane analogy, and argument, that you end it with.

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In Buddhism, Nirvana is the ultimate state of liberation and enlightenment, where one is free from suffering, desire, and the cycle of birth and death (samsara). It represents the cessation of ignorance and craving, leading to profound peace and awakening to the true nature of reality. Nirvana is often described as beyond conceptual understanding, transcending dualities like existence and non-existence. In Theravada Buddhism, it’s the final goal for arhats, while in Mahayana, it’s linked to the bodhisattva path, emphasizing universal liberation.

An Arhat (or Arahant in Pali) in Buddhism is a person who has attained enlightenment and achieved Nirvana, fully liberating themselves from the cycle of birth and death (samsara). In Theravada Buddhism, an Arhat is someone who has eradicated all defilements—such as greed, hatred, and ignorance—through wisdom and ethical practice, realizing the Four Noble Truths. They are free from suffering and no longer subject to rebirth. In Mahayana Buddhism, the Arhat is sometimes contrasted with the Bodhisattva, who delays final Nirvana to help others, though both are enlightened states.


No, Nirvana in Buddhism does not mean death. It refers to a state of ultimate liberation and enlightenment, where one is free from suffering, desire, and the cycle of birth and death (samsara). It’s the cessation of ignorance and craving, leading to profound peace and awakening to reality’s true nature. While an Arhat may attain Nirvana during life (called "Nirvana with remainder"), physical death follows naturally later. "Final Nirvana" (Parinirvana) occurs at death, marking complete liberation without rebirth, but Nirvana itself is a mental and spiritual state, not death.
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Nirvana means end of desires completely and permanently.Desires are not forced on you which is the way for common people. People just cant decide that " Let desires not arise in my mind" its impossible because as long as one is caught in Maya, Om the driver will keep on throwing endless desires on you.Here i am mentioning Om, Since it is the driver of Maya. Maya cant move on itself.
Even slightest bit of movement is caused by Om driving the Maya.

Its difficult to realize at first, But as one moves along ,one sees it. That's why Om is such a sacred symbol in religions like Hinduism and even in Buddhism. Many of their mantras contain it.
But i have found nowhere has it been explained. Its possible that nobody just didn't care to look into it.

Realization of Om as driver of Maya automatically puts you in state of nirvana. There you are not forced to do things(like not forcing desires to arise).

Its like you are sitting at the eighth floor of a building where no one has access but you as individual.From eight floor you look down at all below floors and ground. Ground is where everywhere in the world is acting. And if someone starts spiritual journey, one starts climbing the floors with each step a challenge. It becomes so difficult at times one might like to give up but state of bliss achieved at 8th floor is so profound that one simply dont leave the state of nirvana eventually.
One can try any meditation methods (including Surat shabd yoga) to achieve this. each method has its advantages and challenges.

i see everyone puts emphasis on Om but no really cares about what exactly it is. Until one experiences such a state, One remains in state of turmoil all the time doing everything(including reading books) but actual practice is done by none.

May Nirvana be achieved by every seeking soul effortlessly ( Sahaj way).

Continuing the discussion,

Our mind is engrossed in Maya which is in ever perpetual state of movement due to Om.Even slightest movement in thoughts in our head is caused by movement of OM. This slightest movement generates thoughts which leads to all types of outcomes like Desires,greed, lust among other things.As these things manifest in our head as part of Maya, karma is created.Movement of Maya in our head causes consequences to arise which we call karma. Hence karmic cycle is formed in our head and all these karmas are stored as kind of memory reservoir. If one achieves the zero movement of Om in our Maya(Personified for each individual), Generation of Karma gets stopped.What about already generated karmas? At the times of Nirvana, all such Karmas are fused to nil, as no there is no causation effect left.Om has separated from Maya And one becomes free from cycle of birth and death.

each thing is interlinked all we need is just a right eye to see it.

The Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta (The Discourse on Setting in Motion the Wheel of the Dhamma) is considered the fundamental sutta of Theravada Buddhism. It’s the Buddha’s first sermon after enlightenment, and so, it's arguable the fundamental definition of what Buddhims is.

It was delivered in Sarnath to the Buddha's five former ascetic companions.
In it, he introduces the Four Noble Truths—the core framework of his teaching:
The truth of suffering (dukkha).

The cause of suffering (samudaya).

The cessation of suffering (nirodha).

The path leading to the cessation of suffering (magga), which is the Noble Eightfold Path.

This sutta, found in the Samyutta Nikaya (SN 56.11) of the Pali Canon, lays the foundation for Theravada’s emphasis on liberation through understanding suffering and following the path to nibbana. Its significance comes from its clarity and the way it encapsulates the essence of the Buddha’s insight.

From that, what is the path in earliest buddhism to the cessation of suffering?

In the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta, the path to the cessation of suffering in earliest Buddhism is the Noble Eightfold Path, described as the fourth Noble Truth. It consists of:

Right View (sammā diṭṭhi): Understanding the Four Noble Truths and the nature of reality.

Right Intention (sammā saṅkappa): Cultivating intentions of renunciation, goodwill, and harmlessness.

Right Speech (sammā vācā): Speaking truthfully, kindly, and constructively.

Right Action (sammā kammanta): Acting ethically, avoiding harm, stealing, and sexual misconduct.

Right Livelihood (sammā ājīva): Earning a living in a way that doesn’t harm others.

Right Effort (sammā vāyāma): Striving to abandon unwholesome qualities and cultivate wholesome ones.

Right Mindfulness (sammā sati): Developing awareness of body, feelings, mind, and phenomena.

Right Concentration (sammā samādhi): Practicing meditation to achieve deep states of mental focus.

This path, emphasized in Theravada and rooted in the earliest teachings, integrates ethical conduct, mental discipline, and wisdom to end suffering and attain nibbana.

How does right mindfulness differ from right concentration?

In the Noble Eightfold Path from the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta, Right Mindfulness (sammā sati) and Right Concentration (sammā samādhi) are distinct but complementary practices:

Right Mindfulness: This involves cultivating clear, continuous awareness of the present moment. It’s about observing body, feelings, mind, and phenomena (the four foundations of mindfulness) without attachment or aversion. The focus is broad, emphasizing insight into the impermanent, unsatisfactory, and non-self nature of experience. For example, noticing thoughts or sensations as they arise and pass without getting caught up in them. It’s grounded in the Satipatthana Sutta for practical guidance.

Right Concentration: This refers to developing deep, focused mental absorption through meditative states called jhanas (stages of meditative concentration). It involves narrowing attention to a single object (like the breath) to achieve a unified, tranquil mind. The emphasis is on stability and depth, leading to profound calm and clarity, which supports insight but is more about mental stillness than active observation.

Key Difference: Mindfulness is expansive, fostering moment-to-moment awareness across various aspects of experience to develop insight. Concentration is intensive, honing the mind to a single point to achieve mental unification and tranquility. In practice, mindfulness prepares the mind for concentration by reducing distraction, while concentration deepens mindfulness by stabilizing attention for clearer insight. Both work together to end suffering by cultivating wisdom and liberation.

My conclusion: Buddhism isn't merely mindfulness. This is an important point because many people who take a mindfulness-only approach to meditation find it lacking. I'm referring here to many long-time Buddhist meditators who valiantly practiced vipassana, only to find that vipassana, by itself, does not lead to peace of mind.

One doesn't have to be a supernaturalist to integrate other aspects of the Buddhist path into one's practice of Buddhism, to good effect. The moral directives, the jhanas, and metta can offer generous awards of bliss. They are all part of the original Buddhist path.

“Nirvana Basically Is Reducing Our Habitual Reactivity.” I reckon the title to this post just about sums Nirvana up. Quite often we are mesmerized into thinking (or wishing) that nirvana is something to do with bliss, almost other-worldly.

Buddhists talk of the mind, our ordinary everyday mind that is comprised of all the contents we have accumulated throughout our lives and which, almost unconsciously, govern our lives. These contents consist of our views and opinions, our particular store of knowledge, all of which affects the way we think and approach the world – basically, how we habitually react.

If I understand this right, Nirvana is simply seeing this, giving the ability to respond (if necessary) without all the baggage that routinely drags us into suffering and conflict. As every person’s mind is his/her own personal accumulation of contents which includes the sense of me, self or ego, clashes with other minds – or the world – can only cause conflict and suffering.

As Wight goes on to say: - “Underlying this whole endeavor is a highly mechanistic conception of how the mind works. The idea is to finely sense the workings of the machine and use that under-standing to rewire it, to subvert its programming, to radically alter its response to the causes, the conditions, impinging on it.”

Buddhists declare that when the process of reactivity is clearly seen, the mind is liberated (Nirvana, enlightenment). Good to understand this in terms of being naturalistic and not mysterious. Although they do go on to talk of being liberated into the one Mind (expressed with a capital M and of which we all are). Not clear what this means, perhaps Wright has some insight into this.

Mindfulness strategies, as promoted by figures like Sam Harris, often draw from secularized Buddhist practices and emphasize present-moment awareness, meditation, and non-judgmental observation of thoughts. While these techniques can benefit mental health and focus, they come with notable drawbacks, particularly when popularized in a one-size-fits-all manner. Below is a critical analysis of the limitations and potential pitfalls of such mindfulness strategies, grounded in available critiques and research:

1. Oversimplification of Complex Psychological Issues

Drawback: Mindfulness is often marketed as a universal fix for stress, anxiety, depression, or even trauma. Sam Harris, through platforms like his Waking Up app, presents mindfulness as a tool to transcend suffering by observing thoughts dispassionately. However, this approach can oversimplify serious mental health conditions that require professional intervention, such as therapy or medication.

Critique: Research, like a 2020 study in Clinical Psychology Review, suggests mindfulness-based interventions (MBIs) have modest effects for anxiety and depression compared to cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) for some populations. For severe cases, mindfulness alone may be inadequate or even counterproductive, as it encourages introspection without always addressing underlying causes like trauma or systemic stressors.

Example: Someone with PTSD might find mindfulness exercises, like focusing on bodily sensations, triggering rather than soothing, as noted in a 2018 Journal of Traumatic Stress study reporting adverse effects in some trauma survivors.

2. Potential for Adverse Effects

Drawback: Popular mindfulness narratives, including Harris’s, rarely emphasize potential negative outcomes. Meditation can lead to adverse effects like increased anxiety, dissociation, or emotional overwhelm, particularly for beginners or those with pre-existing mental health issues.

Critique: A 2022 study in Psychological Medicine found that 10-15% of meditation practitioners experience adverse effects, including hyperarousal (e.g., panic attacks) or depersonalization (feeling detached from oneself). Harris’s emphasis on “non-dual” awareness—dissolving the sense of self—can exacerbate these risks for unprepared practitioners, especially without guidance from a trained therapist.

Example: Prolonged meditation retreats, which Harris endorses, have been linked to cases of psychosis in rare instances, as documented in a 2017 Transcultural Psychiatry article.

3. Cultural Appropriation and Decontextualization

Drawback: Harris’s approach strips mindfulness from its Buddhist roots, repackaging it as a secular, science-backed tool. This removes ethical and communal frameworks that traditionally guide meditation, such as compassion or interdependence, potentially reducing it to a self-focused productivity hack.

Critique: Scholars like Ronald Purser, author of McMindfulness (2019), argue that this commodification distorts mindfulness, prioritizing individual gain over collective well-being. It ignores the cultural and spiritual contexts of practices like Vipassana, which Harris draws from, potentially alienating practitioners who value those traditions.

Example: Harris’s app markets mindfulness for “clarity and calm,” appealing to corporate or tech audiences, but this framing can sideline the moral precepts (e.g., non-harming) central to Buddhist practice.

4. Reinforcement of Individualism and Passivity

Drawback: Harris’s mindfulness emphasizes personal liberation through detachment, which can foster a passive acceptance of external conditions rather than action to address systemic issues like inequality or injustice.

Critique: Critics, including Purser and a 2018 Behavioral Scientist article, argue that corporate mindfulness programs, inspired by figures like Harris, can pacify workers, making them more compliant in stressful or exploitative environments. By focusing on internal states, mindfulness may discourage collective resistance or structural change.

Example: A tech worker using Harris’s app to manage stress might feel temporarily calmer but remain disempowered to challenge toxic workplace dynamics, as mindfulness doesn’t inherently teach advocacy or systemic analysis.

5. Accessibility and Elitism

Drawback: Harris’s mindfulness resources, like the Waking Up app, require time, money, and a certain level of education to engage with effectively. His intellectualized delivery—laden with philosophical and neuroscientific jargon—can alienate those without a background in such areas.

Critique: A 2021 Journal of Health Psychology study highlights that mindfulness programs often cater to affluent, educated demographics, sidelining low-income or marginalized groups who may face barriers to access (e.g., subscription costs, time for daily practice). Harris offers free access to Waking Up for some, but the app’s $99/year subscription remains a hurdle for many.

Example: A single parent working multiple jobs may find Harris’s 20-minute guided meditations impractical, while his abstract discussions of consciousness feel disconnected from their lived realities.

6. Overreliance on Subjective Experience

Drawback: Harris’s approach heavily emphasizes subjective introspection, encouraging practitioners to trust their direct experience of consciousness. This can lead to overconfidence in personal insights, potentially dismissing external feedback or scientific evidence.

Critique: A 2019 Perspectives on Psychological Science article warns that excessive focus on subjective awareness can foster “insight traps,” where practitioners misinterpret fleeting meditative states as profound truths. Harris’s rejection of traditional religious frameworks, while appealing to skeptics, may leave practitioners without grounding principles to navigate these experiences.

Example: A practitioner might misattribute a meditative “ego dissolution” experience as evidence of ultimate reality, as Harris encourages, without critically evaluating psychological or neurological explanations.

7. Limited Empirical Support for Universal Claims
Drawback: Harris often presents mindfulness as a scientifically validated path to well-being, but the evidence is mixed, and long-term benefits are not universally established.

Critique: A 2014 American Psychologist meta-analysis found that mindfulness-based interventions show moderate efficacy for stress reduction but lack robust evidence for broader claims, like transforming one’s worldview or eliminating suffering. Harris’s assertions about mindfulness unlocking “happiness independent of conditions” may overpromise, as studies show benefits vary widely based on individual temperament and practice consistency.

Example: Someone expecting Harris’s techniques to eradicate chronic dissatisfaction may feel disillusioned when results are modest or temporary, as longitudinal studies on mindfulness outcomes are still inconclusive.

Conclusion

While Sam Harris’s mindfulness strategies offer tools for focus and stress relief, they carry significant drawbacks: oversimplifying mental health, risking adverse effects, decontextualizing cultural practices, reinforcing passivity, limiting accessibility, overemphasizing subjective experience, and overstating empirical support. These issues stem partly from the popularization of mindfulness as a secular, individualistic solution, divorced from its ethical and communal roots. For some, Harris’s approach may be transformative, but for others—especially those with complex mental health needs or marginalized backgrounds—it can be inadequate, alienating, or even harmful without proper guidance.

Nirvana is the absence of desire. So why has the param Sant sat guru gurinder singh dhillon full of greed , wants and desires. He desires money , sex, control , and definitely wants to be the top guru of the world. He even tried to get to the Pope's good book by traveling to the Vatican with his freeloading son, and kissing the Pope's hand, was he looking for a promotion...lol. we can conclude that gurinder is a land mafia crook , hiding as a guru as he has zero enlightenment

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