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April 02, 2025

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Thats what attracted me towards Sant Mat. My Guru was genius. Ishwar Puri.
He knew how to bring best of one.

If you have just awaken,Mark yourself at zero.Now start.Let your spiritual journey flow like a river.Any obstacle is overpowered naturally. Love is the Answer to all Religions. Without Love for Supreme,They are Hollow.

Allow Douthat to get "You are probably not a religious genius" out of his mouth, but cut him off there, allowing him no explication of that point.

Yes, your view is shared by a lot of atheists. But so what? You and your gang think religion is wholesale bunkery. More power to you for that. But Douthat is addressing a different audience: The believer who wants to better live his faith.

How does a believer better his faith? By being an active member of a congregation of people of that faith. Believers say they get genuine value from such fellowship and mentoring. You being an atheist has no bearing on other people's perception of the value of their religious belief and their religious fellowship in a particular sect.

Looking at this another way, it's evident that even the "religion of one" characters are usually not the rugged individuals they think they are. They have their own particular religious views and their community of like believers in those views. The freethinkers have their own fellowship of believers. They may not meet in a building on a particular day, but they subscribe to apps where they hear religious authorities tell them things they like to hear, and they read endless religiously philosophical books of their pov for the same purpose. While these folks might style themselves a "religion of one," they hardly are. They got all their particular religious and philosophical ideas from other people.

Overall though, I think we all can agree that in all spheres of life there's undeniable value in fellowship and mentorship. There wouldn't be an I iPhone without the collaboration of minds, some of whom knew more than other minds. Indeed, everything demands collaboration with others, and we are most definitely not all equal in our skills and wisdom.

I'm still waiting on the Douthat book from my library and look forward to reading it. Then, I'll find out more on why he finds value as a church going Catholic. I suspect that part of the value of actively belonging to a church comes with friction. Many people -- Jordan Peterson is one -- find going to church a most irritating experience (an emotion I second). While this friction might be an avenue to greater personal growth in one's beliefs, I can agree that everyone certainly has the right to choose what kind of religious activity works best for them.


"...ignoring the fact that it was human beings who came up with the hypothesis of such a being,"


Kind of goes to the crux of it, doesn't it. The likes of Douthat live in woo woo land, and don't realize that simple fact.


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"there's no evidence that anyone in the history of the world was a religious genius"


Agreed, absolutely.

But if I may focus on two incidental nuances there, while agreeing 100% with what you're actually saying:

Some charlatans can be thought of as religious geniuses, of a kind, that did uncommonly well for themselves. People like Joseph Smith, and Ron Hubbard, and very spectacularly Mohammed, and if legend were to be believed then Moses, and so forth. GSD would qualify as a junior member of that not so august club of those who personally did very well for themselves by posing as godmen and prophets.

And on another, very different tangent: The Buddha can be thought of as a religious genius, both in terms of rejecting clearly (many/most of the) the superstitions of the day, and also in terms of his own particular investigation into religiosity. But of course, that's a very different sense of "religious" than the monotheisms preach, and very different also than the woo woo of theistic halfwittery in traditions other than the Abrahamic.

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