When I got an email yesterday from Osho Robbins, a regular visitor to this blog, at first I didn't know what to make of his description of a new video on his You Tube channel. (Osho Robbins is a pseudonym; I assume Art Ashta is his real name.)
He said:
Hi Brian, one of my friends showed me how to get AI to do an indepth analysis of a video, in the form of a podcast. So I used my previous video, to get a perspective of how AI would handle this. The result is very interesting.
This is solely generated by AI, which is creating two different personalities to discuss and analyse the implications of the statements made on the video I previously posted. Will make an interesting discussion because they conclude, on the podcast, that the statement of oneness cannot be ignored, and if it is accepted then it means the efforts to merge are all in vain.
The AI generated video is below, or you can click on the link above. I just listened to the "podcast."
Maybe I missed something on my one-time listening, but I didn't get the impression that the AI generated personalities, one of whom is Robbins/Ashta, arrived at a solid conclusion about the nature of oneness. Rather, I came away with the message that different people will arrive at different conclusions about the oneness message that Gurinder Singh Dhillon, the guru of Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB), is conveying in his talks. And that's absolutely fine.
Since this is an AI generated conversation based on a single video that Robbins/Ashta believes points in the direction of oneness, and away from the traditional dualism of RSSB where disciples are to rely on the guru in a journey from this physical realm to higher supernatural realms, obviously it isn't surprising that the conversation is sympathetic to how Robbins/Ashta sees things. Here's the "podcast" video.
So I came away less interested in the message of the "podcast" and more interested in how it was AI generated. Some Googling revealed a September 2024 post with the provocative title, "I tried Google's new one-click AI podcast creator, and now I don't know what's real anymore." Here's most of the text, absent the video made by GoogleNotebookLM.
I’ve had a glimpse of how AI will change the world, and it’s filling me with both fear and wonder in equal measure.
The source of my consternation is Google NotebookLM. NotebookLM takes an article, blog post, or web page, and with just one click produces an audio file of a conversation between two people about it that sounds so natural and realistic that there is no way you’d believe you weren’t listening to two real people talking. They talk with passion and authority about the subject, sound engaged and interested and riff off one another in such a natural way that it takes your breath away. There are even the little sniffs, slight mispronunciations, slurs, and little giggles that all make it sound completely human.
Here's what happened. In my spare time I write a blog about Tai Chi called the Tai Chi Notebook. So, having heard about NotebookLM (the 'notebook' in the name is just a coincidence) I thought I’d throw one of my Tai Chi articles at it, just to see what it did.
Creating the audio is easy. It took it a few minutes to think about it, but it very quickly generated a .WAV file that I could download to my desktop. The audio clip lasted around eight minutes and after I’d listened to it, the world simply wasn’t the same anymore; I no longer had confidence that I could tell what was real and what wasn’t.
The AI had taken my article and explained the key concepts via the 'presenters' having a conversation. It had even expanded on it in new and interesting directions that I hadn't thought of, drawing analogies about what I was saying to other areas of life. The presenters had even introduced practical examples of what I was talking about, and these examples weren't taken from my article but from their wider knowledge of the subject. And, most importantly, it didn’t get any of it wrong.
Obviously, we’re just at the start of the new AI-age at the moment, with key players such as ChatGPT, Gemini and more recently Apple Intelligence only just getting started. NotebookLM doesn’t have that many options right now – you can speed up or slow down playback and that’s about it – but it won’t be long before it lets you choose the type of presenter you want, their accent, their expertise, their political leaning, their personality and, once we move into AI-generated video as standard, how they look. As I wrote recently, AI is already being used in films, and we can imagine a world where a movie is generated on the fly, with the plot changing to suit your whims.
Yes, this will sound terrifying to some, but movies are already flights of fancy that exist in the world of the imagination. It’s when AI intrudes on the real world that I get most concerned. I’ve got a friend whose daughter is applying for university right now, and he tells me that many institutions are saying they don’t require a personal statement anymore because so many are doctored using AI that there’s little point to them.
All of which brings me back to NotebookLM. It can already produce a fantastic podcast out of one of my articles at the click of a button, and it feels like we're on the dawn of a very big change in the way media is produced. I'm not sure I know what's real anymore, and that's something I'm just going to have to get used to.
Brain, I could only get this far. How do I get it with 2 people speaking?
This document outlines a specific meditation technique, rooted in what is called NADA Yoga, or the Path of the Sound Current. The author, Jim Sutherland, shares his personal experience with this practice since 1988 and provides instructions aimed at both new and experienced meditators. The core of the practice involves a combination of mantra repetition (Simran), focused attention at the third eye, and listening to the inner sounds (Bahjun). The goal of the practice appears to be to reach higher states of consciousness, including the experience of the "Void" (Samadhi/Nirvana) and accessing the astral realms.
Key Themes and Ideas:
NADA Yoga (Path of the Sound Current): The primary focus is on the importance of sound in spiritual practice. The author states, "The Path of The Masters, or NADA Yoga, is the Path of the Sound Current. ALL Lights, and Visuals originate from the Sound Current." This implies that inner sound is the foundational reality from which all experiences arise.
The Technique: The meditation technique involves several key components:
Simran (Mantra Repetition): This involves silently repeating a mantra while focusing attention at the third eye (the forehead behind the eyes). The author encourages new meditators to use their own favorite mantras if they are not initiated into a specific lineage.
Third Eye Focus: Visualizing the "black Void" at the third eye is integral to this practice. The author explains that during Simran, meditators often experience similar internal visions: "The internal Signs are specs and flashes of silver white light, of various shapes, then a golden Sun or Sphere, which then forms a Silver White Moon inside, or within the Sun,..." culminating in a "swirling Silver White rotating Cloud, with a black hole in the center."
Bahjun (Listening to the Sound): This involves focusing on the inner sounds after the period of Simran. The author describes listening with the right ear lightly plugged. The initial sound may be like a "Conch" (large seashell or roaring wind) which then transforms into the "ringing Radiance of the Bell tone.”
Samadhi/The Void: The black hole in the rotating cloud leads to a temporary experience of the Void, which is described as a state where "all visuals and sounds cease." This state is equated with various spiritual concepts such as Samadhi, Nirvana, Sat Nam, and Heaven. It is characterized by a sense of pure awareness: “Only Awareness remains there. Only the “Observer”views all observed material impermanent visions , of people, places and things.”
Astral Travel: The practice is described as a path to accessing astral realms, where experiences are unique and individual based on past lives and karmas. The “Silver White Multi-pointed Diamond” is seen as an entrance into these realms. A technique to enhance these experiences is described as moving the initial “greyish white cloud” between various chakra points and back to the center.
Initiation: The text heavily references "Initiates" and implies a formal lineage and practice. It’s mentioned that all Initiates share the same mantra and a very similar experience of inner light and vision. The author’s specific lineage is not identified, but it is a lineage of “Living Masters.”
Practicality: The author advocates for using a recliner chair for meditation, finding it practical and helpful for transitioning between phases of the practice. The suggestion of supporting the elbows on the knees, or using a T-Stick (as taught by Yogananda) highlights the importance of physical comfort and minimizing distractions in the process.
Quotes:
"The Path of The Masters, or NADA Yoga, is the Path of the Sound Current. ALL Lights, and Visuals originate from the Sound Current..."
"When initiated in to this Sound & Light Meditation, we were instructed to spend 3/4 of first time, focusing at the 3rd Eye, looking in to the black Void, while doing “Simran”, which means Repetition of the Mantra..."
"The internal Signs are specs and flashes of silver white light, of various shapes, then a golden Sun or Sphere, which then forms a Silver White Moon inside, or within the Sun, ......until the Golden Sun dissolves , leaving only the Moon,....until it morphs in to a swirling Silver White rotating Cloud, with a black hole in the center..."
"Only Awareness remains there. Only the “Observer”views all observed material impermanent visions , of people, places and things..."
"The reason only the right ear is plugged, is that we are instructed to listen to the sounds coming from the right of the 3rd eye first, until it centers in the middle."
"THEN the Visuals of people, places, and things start being visualized, inside the Astral Realms. From here, all of our experiences are different, and vary, depending on our past lives, memories, and Samsaras and Karmas."
Conclusion:
The text offers a detailed explanation of a specific meditation practice focused on sound, mantra, and focused attention. It highlights a structured approach to reaching higher states of consciousness, involving both inner visual experiences and inner sound perception. It emphasizes the importance of both a specific technique and the individual experience of the practitioner, particularly in navigating the astral realms. The text implies that with consistent practice, the meditator will become “the Observer of the observed”.
NotebookLM
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 06, 2025 at 02:17 AM
Brian, thanks for sharing NotebookLM. If I can figure out how to convert the Text to the Gal and Guy discussion, it will be a new toy for me to play with, using my blog posts.
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 06, 2025 at 02:27 AM
https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/27958775-440b-4685-b6e4-f0e68a658300/audio
Here is the link to my Meditation Technique for Neophites Interview Audio.
Super Cool! I’ve finally found some one who likes my posts! Haha
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 06, 2025 at 05:59 AM
This is the doc. Of the AI critique, for those who are unable to access the Audio link. The Guy and Gal are great Promoters!
This document outlines a specific meditation technique, rooted in what is called NADA Yoga, or the Path of the Sound Current. The author, Jim Sutherland, shares his personal experience with this practice since 1988 and provides instructions aimed at both new and experienced meditators. The core of the practice involves a combination of mantra repetition (Simran), focused attention at the third eye, and listening to the inner sounds (Bahjun). The goal of the practice appears to be to reach higher states of consciousness, including the experience of the "Void" (Samadhi/Nirvana) and accessing the astral realms.
Key Themes and Ideas:
NADA Yoga (Path of the Sound Current): The primary focus is on the importance of sound in spiritual practice. The author states, "The Path of The Masters, or NADA Yoga, is the Path of the Sound Current. ALL Lights, and Visuals originate from the Sound Current." This implies that inner sound is the foundational reality from which all experiences arise.
The Technique: The meditation technique involves several key components:
Simran (Mantra Repetition): This involves silently repeating a mantra while focusing attention at the third eye (the forehead behind the eyes). The author encourages new meditators to use their own favorite mantras if they are not initiated into a specific lineage.
Third Eye Focus: Visualizing the "black Void" at the third eye is integral to this practice. The author explains that during Simran, meditators often experience similar internal visions: "The internal Signs are specs and flashes of silver white light, of various shapes, then a golden Sun or Sphere, which then forms a Silver White Moon inside, or within the Sun,..." culminating in a "swirling Silver White rotating Cloud, with a black hole in the center."
Bahjun (Listening to the Sound): This involves focusing on the inner sounds after the period of Simran. The author describes listening with the right ear lightly plugged. The initial sound may be like a "Conch" (large seashell or roaring wind) which then transforms into the "ringing Radiance of the Bell tone.”
Samadhi/The Void: The black hole in the rotating cloud leads to a temporary experience of the Void, which is described as a state where "all visuals and sounds cease." This state is equated with various spiritual concepts such as Samadhi, Nirvana, Sat Nam, and Heaven. It is characterized by a sense of pure awareness: “Only Awareness remains there. Only the “Observer”views all observed material impermanent visions , of people, places and things.”
Astral Travel: The practice is described as a path to accessing astral realms, where experiences are unique and individual based on past lives and karmas. The “Silver White Multi-pointed Diamond” is seen as an entrance into these realms. A technique to enhance these experiences is described as moving the initial “greyish white cloud” between various chakra points and back to the center.
Initiation: The text heavily references "Initiates" and implies a formal lineage and practice. It’s mentioned that all Initiates share the same mantra and a very similar experience of inner light and vision. The author’s specific lineage is not identified, but it is a lineage of “Living Masters.”
Practicality: The author advocates for using a recliner chair for meditation, finding it practical and helpful for transitioning between phases of the practice. The suggestion of supporting the elbows on the knees, or using a T-Stick (as taught by Yogananda) highlights the importance of physical comfort and minimizing distractions in the process.
Quotes:
"The Path of The Masters, or NADA Yoga, is the Path of the Sound Current. ALL Lights, and Visuals originate from the Sound Current..."
"When initiated in to this Sound & Light Meditation, we were instructed to spend 3/4 of first time, focusing at the 3rd Eye, looking in to the black Void, while doing “Simran”, which means Repetition of the Mantra..."
"The internal Signs are specs and flashes of silver white light, of various shapes, then a golden Sun or Sphere, which then forms a Silver White Moon inside, or within the Sun, ......until the Golden Sun dissolves , leaving only the Moon,....until it morphs in to a swirling Silver White rotating Cloud, with a black hole in the center..."
"Only Awareness remains there. Only the “Observer”views all observed material impermanent visions , of people, places and things..."
"The reason only the right ear is plugged, is that we are instructed to listen to the sounds coming from the right of the 3rd eye first, until it centers in the middle."
"THEN the Visuals of people, places, and things start being visualized, inside the Astral Realms. From here, all of our experiences are different, and vary, depending on our past lives, memories, and Samsaras and Karmas."
Conclusion:
The text offers a detailed explanation of a specific meditation practice focused on sound, mantra, and focused attention. It highlights a structured approach to reaching higher states of consciousness, involving both inner visual experiences and inner sound perception. It emphasizes the importance of both a specific technique and the individual experience of the practitioner, particularly in navigating the astral realms. The text implies that with consistent practice, the meditator will become “the Observer of the observed”.
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 06, 2025 at 06:18 AM
THANKS again, Brian, for sharing a new Toy to experiment with. AI didn’t say any thing I didn’t say, but they wrapped it all up with Gift wrapping paper, and a Gold , Silver Bow . You might have created some future Neophyte Astral Travelers!
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 06, 2025 at 06:29 AM
Osho posted the link in a comment on the recent "teaching Advaita" thread. I did listen and was completely fooled into thinking they were real people! That in spite of clicking "...more" after the description in YouTube, where it states:
"How this content was made
Altered or synthetic content
Sound or visuals were significantly edited or digitally generated"
The best I can say for myself was that I brushed it off as just a bunch of New Age banter. Pretty shallow for a "deep dive."
Clicks for Osho Robbins, though! I subscribed. Why not support our guy?
Jim,
Clicking "...more" you'll also see a "Show transcript" button. Click on it with the video playing, and the conversation will appear in print. However, it's rough, and I couldn't highlight and copy it, not from my phone at least.
Posted by: umami | January 06, 2025 at 07:01 AM
Unami - you didn't recognise that as AI within 5 seconds max? You should consider what this means for your ability to recognise "pooran Sant satgurus"?
Welcome to the age of the AI satsang and satgurus.
Even faker than they were before.
Apt.
You're welcome.
Posted by: manjit | January 06, 2025 at 08:33 AM
https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/3d4a6838-95bc-4598-9546-ad94b5a13212
Another Alien Critique of how we arrived here, and how to escape.
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 06, 2025 at 08:50 AM
manjit,
Thank you. Lol
AI didn't occur to me. Not on my radar. Now it is. A tip-off could've been how seamlessly the voices completed each other's sentences. I noticed but figured that the conversation was compressed in post production, or that they were unusually familiar. Another tip-off could've been that the podcasters aren't named anywhere.
Posted by: umami | January 06, 2025 at 09:11 AM
manjit,
How do you spot AI, any tips?
How do you spot a fake pooran Sant satguru?
Posted by: umami | January 06, 2025 at 09:15 AM
https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/3d4a6838-95bc-4598-9546-ad94b5a13212/audio
The Soul’s Escape.
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 06, 2025 at 09:30 AM
Jim,
Can't open your links. You might have to make them public somehow.
Posted by: umami | January 06, 2025 at 09:35 AM
@umami, I am unable to instruct any one further, I just finished opening, and listening to this Audio. If the Link opens for you, to the Audio file on NotebookLM , it takes several minutes before it loads, in order to play. I couldn’t find how to get the text subscripts you mentioned. Hope this opens. I liked it. I’d say, it’s my best Post on my blog, of how I view my soul.
https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/3d4a6838-95bc-4598-9546-ad94b5a13212/audio?original_referer=https:%2F%2Fhinessight.blogs.com%23&original_referer=https:%2F%2Faccounts.google.com%23&pli=1
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 06, 2025 at 11:09 AM
hi everyone,
It started last friday when my friend invited me over to his house and then just generated this right in front of me.
I was astounded at the time.
However, after playing about with it for a while, it just gives the impression of a podcast by getting AI characters to discuss. Neither character is taking any particular view but they are simply exploring options and opening up the topic
In the process, they do conclude that the follower does have a dilemma: how to reconcile these different views. This too is already present in the video input.
So AI is simply presenting what is already there.
Maybe that is all we humans ever do anyway. We play with beliefs.
We identify with them.
I am a sikh, christian, Radha Soami, etc
Then the beliefs enter battle.
because as soon as they are MY beliefs, emotions enter and the battle commences
Brian, you are right there is no conclusion.
There is an additional facility for me to interact with the hosts in real time, steering the discussion in a specific direction, or proposing new questions.
I'm just recovering from a cough and have lost my voice at the moment. I'll give that a go once i recover.
Posted by: Osho Robbins | January 06, 2025 at 11:11 AM
"I came away less interested in the message of the "podcast" and more interested in how it was AI generated."
Haha, ditto!
The Oneness message itself is, I'm quite sure by now, gobbledygook, nonsense. So that the disagreement here is between one nonsensical screed and another. The whole thing's silly, rubbish ----- like discussing whether dragons are intelligent but mute (GoT) or if they are intelligent and can speak (LotR).
But this specific AI trick? Fascinating!
Am in a rush, and have only glanced at the blog post itself, not the links or the embedded vids. But this splicing up perspectives into separate personas, all by AI, that's mind blowing. I'll check it out later when I've time.
Posted by: Appreciative Reader | January 06, 2025 at 11:26 AM
How do you spot a fake pooran Sant satguru?
Posted by: umami | January 06, 2025 at 09:15 AM
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You look for a Sant Satguru, that's how, umami.
They're all fake.
Of course, whether a specimen's a charlatan-fake, or genuinely-deluded-fake, that nuance is more difficult to suss out.
Posted by: Appreciative Reader | January 06, 2025 at 11:34 AM
That tale about Majun choosing leila as his bride is illustrative for many other relationships as the choice for a path and a teacher.
His friends, out of the goodness of their hearts, did their best to convince him not to marry her ..One after the other addressed in that tale one of the motives that general is used to make such an decision .. the bride had to meet certain conditions in order to be worthy of been taken as a bride.... worthy ..can be replaced by "fake"
There is nothing to be proved about any guru, there is nothing that can be proved.
The doubts, the insecurities, the fears, of a seeker cannot be outsourced on a guru ..if he does he has already lost the game even before he did put the very first step on a path. The complete burden is ..my friends ... on the shoulders of the seeker and nobody in this world can it take away, NOBODY friends not even GOD ..it is up to YOU and you alone ..it is YOUR CHOICE as it is YOUR life, your love, your time you have to invest.
All this talk about prove and fake etc is just an
PSYCHOLOGICAL DEFENSE MECHANISM
Fear of making a choice and taking the reposibility for the outcome.
Time for coffee
Posted by: um | January 06, 2025 at 12:01 PM
To underline my point take your time to read the whole of the story of a German on his way to become the abot of the well known Soto zen Monastry In Japan but if you do not feel for it do read just this part:
https://antaiji.org/en/essays/1-13
Nobody asked or forced him to study Japanese, in order to be involved in Zen, make a choice between Rinzai and Soto and go through the hardships of the JAPANESE ideas of Zen ..people that give literally and figurative a shit about you or your shit.
Few have the stamina ...hahahaha
Posted by: um | January 06, 2025 at 12:28 PM
Not AI, but you'd a thought so 6 months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvzacVxdoiY
Posted by: sant64 | January 06, 2025 at 02:01 PM
@! Sant64
As long as politicians are human they will act as humans.
If you think that the identification with a particular political group will change that, and make a difference, you will know better after 4 years.
Posted by: um | January 06, 2025 at 02:21 PM
AI impact accelerating. Today I read AI developed a vaccine for the flu that is lifetime immunity.
Matthew Berman explains the AI impact in this video.
Sam Altman's STUNNING Statement, "We're Working on Superintelligence"
Posted by: Jimmy | January 06, 2025 at 07:35 PM
AR,
we can get AI characters to debate instead of us. I will write out my premises and conclusions on IK / oneness
and send them to you in a comment here.
you can then list your counter-position with the counter-premises and we can let AI debate the positions to come to a logical conclusion.
i can then make that into a podcast and see what we get
Posted by: Osho Robbins | January 06, 2025 at 08:52 PM
Hey, Osho Robbins.
Love this AI trick! Thanks for writing about it here. I hadn't even heard of this particular thing. (Still haven't checked out the details of it, though. I will when I have the time, later on. But it's cool, very cool!)
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As for "debating", why waste time and energy saying the exact same thing over and over? We've already done this thoroughly, and I believe completely conclusively. If you'd like to prepare an AI-simulated podcast of our debate, then you could just use the substantial comments we've exchanged already, right in this thread.
(Indeed, I really don't see how AI can possibly add anything to our exchange. Just stack up first my opening comment here, then your response to it, then mine, and then yours again, and so forth: essentially, just isolate out our particular exchange from this thread, FULLY, while blocking out others' comment here. What you'll have is a conclusive demonstration of the complete iffiness of your position, laid out perfectly clearly. In fact, you've admitted as such yourself, in so many words. Treat this exchange of ours on this textas text, or simply use voice software to liven up our text, but either way, I don't see how a simulated podcast can improve on this exchange.
Which is not, at all, to discourage you from doing this! It sounds fun, actually! By all means do it if you'd like to. Just, there's really no point at all, is there, treading the same old yet again, right? Particularly when it's already there, fully dealt with, in our comments on this thread: https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2024/12/the-rssb-guru-appears-to-be-teaching-advaita.html?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e202e860df0657200b#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e202e860df0657200b. (It's our recent exchanges on the thread just before Christmas, and you can see that thread in my comment below in any case. Just, I'm linking to it for your ease of reference, and to save you the trouble of digging it up again, in case you happen not to comment in a day or two and my comments move away from the comment headers here by then --- given that that thread's no longer on the post headers list.)
Posted by: Appreciative Reader | January 06, 2025 at 09:27 PM
Heh, for added fun, you might want to do the exact same thing for the exchange Spence and I have had, again on this thread. Starting from that comment where I'd laid out my tentative heuristics on rational thought, then Spence's response to it, then mine to him, and so forth, right till the end --- this time isolating his comments and mine, and blocking out other comments.
That exchange too is completely conclusive, I believe: and again, I don't see how a podcast can add to this demonstration beyond just that text exchange, or maybe a voice-software enabled representation of that exchange. But again, it might be fun to see how your AI thingy presents this exchange of ours, as well, his and mine I mean to say.
Or not, your call. Just, it sounds like fun. But I realize it's also work, involving time and effort, so, like I said, your call. Both for the Spence thing, done fully; as well as the entirety of the exchange we've had, you and I, on that thread.
Posted by: Appreciative Reader | January 06, 2025 at 09:35 PM
https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/ce9fcd73-aad8-4d35-9dfe-6e6efdf5ed0e/audio
@OSHO, …A CHALLENGE TO YOU. If you are able to open and listen to the above, why don’t you add it to your Video, with you, and Gurinder, and run the debate between you, Gurinder and me, using my above challenge to ONEness.
If you take the challenge, and can figure out how to add and post it on Youtube, ( it’s far beyond my capability), please give my your email address to send you a photo of my face to add to yours and Gurinder’s.
Advise. Thanks.
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 07, 2025 at 08:05 AM
Hmm 🤔 https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCcf67MMEyl/?igsh=MW9ybTY5YTg4dW03OA==
Shake the foundation of your faith.
Posted by: GoooRooo | January 07, 2025 at 08:30 AM
Jim,
New link works!
Posted by: umami | January 07, 2025 at 08:41 AM
Umami, THANKS!
Now, petition OSHO to accept my challenge, and use my above , add it to his existing Gurinder and him comparing ONEness Philosophy, and my opposing it.
I think such a Video, on YouTube might draw a lot of views, as long as the 3 Characters in the debate all have valid Credentials. Gurinder certainly does, but Osho should add what ever Credentials he can share to draw more attention, and me,…….as Y’all know by now, I’m just an egotistic nobody , unknown to the public, but I DO have , at least, valid earned Credentials to draw more interest of the Debate, OSHO should list me as Dr. James Sutherland, B.Min., M.Min., Th.D.
If OSHO wants to Grift the YouTube Video for money, he can keep my share, as my input is ALWAYS FREE.
Thanks,
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 07, 2025 at 09:30 AM
@umami, here is the link to the one that wouldn’t open. I finally was able to fix the problem. Thanks for alerting me. I think of all, this one is my favorate, of all I’ve ever done.
https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/3d4a6838-95bc-4598-9546-ad94b5a13212/audio
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 07, 2025 at 11:51 AM
Reincarnation Vs. Resurrection .
https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/8da2062d-3a1e-48f9-8d24-ee6461fc94ec/audio
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 07, 2025 at 01:46 PM
Jim,
I'm finding your Notebook/AI chats fascinating. From a sense of the written word to AI dialog. Can you post your .doc or PDF to show how you've format the words prior to submitting it to Notebook?
That I'm having issues wrapping my head around.
Thanks,
Posted by: James Hursh | January 07, 2025 at 01:57 PM
Mr. Hursh, They are all on my Blog,
URL IS
https://eternaloasisofsouls.blogspot.com/2024/
Also, most of my Articles AI took information fodder from , have been posted here , over the years. Just type in Jim Sutherland , in the search box here, and click it, and most of my posts will come up. I have been ducking rotten eggs and tomatoes here, for years!
Pleased to read you are fascinated by the AI posts.
Cheers,
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 07, 2025 at 02:37 PM
Oh, Mr. Hurst, my pdfs were submitted to Notebook exactly as you will see them on my blog, or here, if you search. I never formatted any further, or instructed AI wa hat to use, or leave out. They left a lot out.
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 07, 2025 at 02:57 PM
Jim’s Maze of Spiritual Seeking,…….
https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/4975db07-4c68-4bd0-be74-7224cbf5a727/audio
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 07, 2025 at 04:03 PM
@Jim Sutherland
I have uploaded your podcast on my channel
this is the link
https://youtu.be/TLjlJIfuyCA?si=m56GGJUPFtn4W9vG
later, I'll give notebook both podcasts (yours and mine) - to create a podcast to go head to head on the issues in both podcasts
Posted by: Osho Robbins | January 07, 2025 at 05:15 PM
@Jim,
this video i just posted is the podcast you generated.
if you want to send a picture to Brain, he can forward it to me,
then I can add it to the head to head podcast
which will be based on the two videos to let AI put it all together
Your podcast is interesting - so will be interesting how AI views these two side by side
Posted by: Osho Robbins | January 07, 2025 at 05:21 PM
@OSHO, Sounds great! Thanks for accepting the challenge, and ……..doing the work!
I already emailed Brian my photo I’d like you to use a few hours ago, and asked him to email it to you,…..if you accepted the challenge.
I think it should be of interest, to all readers of this Site, as well as James Bean’s/David Lane’s site, and any other Sant Mat interested readers.
Regards,
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 07, 2025 at 05:31 PM
Osho Robbins,
To be very, very, very clear: Not for a minute do I discourage your podcast idea. All I'm saying is, no need "debating" again, and retreading old ground: Instead, just use fully the material already laid out in detail, in our exchanges on that thread I linked to above. I think it covers the whole thing fully.
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Also, as far as "grifting": It was I who first " made a face" about introducing the monetary angle, for obvious reasons: but I'm deeply disgusted by sundry lowlifes jumping onto the bandwagon and accusing you of grifting. I wish to have nothing to do with that, or with them.
Sure, when seen against a backdrop of a "pure" seeking out of truth, your contortions to defend your religious beliefs come up short. Sure, from a backdrop of "pure" seeking, your attempts to monetize your patently wrong and clearly debunked ideas do smack somewhat of unsavoriness. Sure.
But, when cretins who have themselves gritted away all their life, not for money per se but for an unearned gravitas and undeserved attention and recognition: when shameless Jesus worshiping cretins with their counterfeit degrees and their completely oafish claims and ideas, try to in turn jump on the bandwagon and try to accuse you of grifting, then that is beyond risible. It is like a vile creature like Trump trying to accuse others of dishonesty or sexual predation. It is insupportable.
I wouldn't have spoken out, but for the fact that the opening I myself provided is being misused by these vile halfwits and dishonest-to-the-core cretins to insult and malign you. By all means, "grift" away, Osho Robbins, as long as semiliterates parade their counterfeit degrees, and dare to "preach" despite being completely bereft of the smallest spiritual or intellectual or moral virtue. Against this backdrop, by all means monetize away, for what it's worth I'm with you.
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That said: My objections to your ideas remain. I believe the last "debate", last month, conclusively shows your ideas to be fully invalid, and indeed clearly lays bare the nature of your "realization". And coming from a backdrop of pure, unsullied, disinterested seeking, I reject both your Oneness and your " professionalism".
But your ideas are far more nuanced, and fat more evolved, and far 'better', than what these cretins here are peddling. I'm damned if I'm going to stand by and let these vile lowlifes use the very opening I provided in order to opportunistically slander you. Better your much finer subtler better beliefs than their oafish claims, any day ---- even though both are invalid.
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Logging off from the asinine direction this thread's taken. Life's much too short to waste engaging with these vile lowlifes and their vile halfwitted ideas. But if you do translate into AI-podcast our discussion from the other thread last month ---- not cherry picked, but taken fully, and done honestly --- then I'll be happy to engage with that. That Spence thing as well. Like I said, sounds fun, should you be willing to take the time and effort. And again, kudos for uncovering this neat AI trick and sharing it with us here.
And good luck with your ventures, old friend!
Ideally, I'd recommend a pure, unsullied, disinterested seeking of truth. Free from past bias, as best we can make them; open fully to reason; and free of the monetary angle as well (given your ideas themselves have been shown to be invalid).
But that's ideally. In a world where ideas and claims far more oafish and cretinous than yours are shamelessly flung around by people immeasurably viler than anything your gentle soul can ever approach: then by all means go ahead, with my best wishes (for what those are worth).
Posted by: Appreciative Reader | January 07, 2025 at 06:19 PM
Soon there will be AI of what the guru himself might say and he's halfway there without it . Gurinderji does nothing.
Posted by: Donald | January 07, 2025 at 06:52 PM
Quick research on YouTube. Making money on views requires the inclusion of advertising, and it typically takes a thousand views to generate $10 to $30.
Posted by: umami | January 07, 2025 at 07:59 PM
@umami,….if Osho can draw his 90,000 Tic Tock members to follow him on YouTube, he must have already created enough interest in his ONEness teachings to draw thousands of his Members to watch his YouTube podcasts.
There just might be $$$$ in that ONE!
Just food for thought. I never begrudge any one for making money in a Business, as long as the 3 Rules for Success are followed and maintained.
1) Business must be LEGAL.
2) Business must be MORAL.
3) Business must help others, as well as its Owner.
I don’t need any more $$$, I already have all I need, so I will be an interested Observer to watch Osho’s Success, or failure, on Youtube.
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | January 08, 2025 at 08:07 AM
Back to the World, USA mainly
This is FREE. :-)
Fo some of U suffer from FOG
Imaging it s KIM JUN ILL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeInH55HymM
Posted by: 7 | January 08, 2025 at 08:55 AM
just for transparency, money I have made from youtube and tiktok.
youtube £0 as i am not even on the revenue plan.
Tiktok, no actual cash yet, but Tiktok says I have finally qualified for a payment of £0.65
(65p). it's based on 45p per 1000 views.
the first 1000 views on each video don't count.
so videos like mine are not going to make any serious money. if i want to make money i have to switch to making prank videos or similar.
so in case anyone is tempted to compete with me : don't give up your day job unless 65p per month is enough for you to live on.
that 65p is the result of hundreds of hours of work. do my hourly rate is about half a penny per hour. not enough to retire on
Posted by: Osho Robbins | January 08, 2025 at 08:57 AM
Or
It's
THe Roosevelt Treatment
Posted by: 7 | January 08, 2025 at 09:07 AM
GIMMIE THAT OLE TIME RELIGION
https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/ef026b25-c158-4b3e-921f-b48da2ba37db/audio
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: [email protected] | January 08, 2025 at 09:12 AM
Hi Unami! You wrote: "AI didn't occur to me. Not on my radar. Now it is. A tip-off could've been how seamlessly the voices completed each other's sentences. I noticed but figured that the conversation was compressed in post production, or that they were unusually familiar. Another tip-off could've been that the podcasters aren't named anywhere."
&
"How do you spot AI, any tips?"
Well, I don't really know where to begin with this, especially in context of a group where the core subject matter is, allegedly, "sat" or "truth"......satguru, satnam, sachkhand, sat purush.....and now satsang.....conducted by ARTIFICIAL intelligence. The irony is deep.
The shorts answer is this:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-tLmmF7Yk_A
:)
I have only listened to the first audio file Osho posted here for about 5-10 seconds max. These were my impressions in that 10 seconds.
1) Chief giveaway was there is no interest in RSSB, Gurinder or our Osho in the social media sphere. As I have posted here many times over the years, the RS faith is as dead as a doornail as a viable, living spiritual path. Nobody is talking about it and nobody cares, other than the small handful of folks on this and the radhsasoamistudies forums. All the rest are predominantly Indian religious followers who have no need for intellectual discussions and dissections in their religious adherence. Damn, they don't even listen to the words their own gurus say, they just mindlessly attend satsang like most religious folks do and could care less for metaphysical debates! Knowing the above to be true, who are these folks starting their "podcast" with the absurd assumption anyone would know who or what they're talking about? Fake.
2) In that 10 seconds of listening, the 2 "presenters" finished each other's sentences around 5 times! This is un-NATURAL and jarring. Also the reason I had to switch off quite hastily.
3) On a subtle level, the tone of the voices did not correlate with the subject matter. And this is perhaps the most important or interesting aspect of all this AI hype in relation to spirituality and, with crazy irony, producing "satsangs" or discussions about mysticism, consciousness, being and mystery.
Folks need to come back to understanding what the whole "spiritual", "mystical" or "psychonautic" pursuit is about.
It is about exploring the mystery of consciousness, of being. Of locating the ghost within the machine. The RS faith as a neo-gnostic theology actually has a good conceptual model for framing this, ie. separating spirit or atma from the trappings of maya or matter.
Neo and the The Matrix films perfectly capture this gnostic worldview, as peoples souls or minds are trapped within an ARTIFICIAL reality produced by 1s and 0s.
Spirituality is the pursuit of the original consciousness or being from whence this springs. It is, imo, the trickiest pursuit any being can undertake, to experience consciousness without the trappings of form and matter.
The secret, the mystery, is there are no Boolean logic gates in consciousness. If this was understood, all discussions & debates would cease..... especially by artificial intelligences!
Posted by: manjit | January 11, 2025 at 05:27 AM
Umami wrote "How do you spot a fake pooran Sant satguru?"
Well, that's a question for you to answer, not me!
Didn't they print a list of physical attributes in the "Philosophy of the Masters" volumes by Sawan Singh, like mole on the right cheek, broad forehead etc? That's quite handy to have, objective physical characteristics, no? Wonder why more isn't made of those, it's almost like Sawan or whomever made that shit up retrospectively, but subsequent generations of "satgurus" didn't find as much use for that list going forward? Mystery, that.
In all seriousness though, dissect every part of that question, and how you even know what any part of it means, and you may find your answer, if you're honest enough with yourself, imo.
Peace be with you!
Posted by: manjit | January 11, 2025 at 05:38 AM
I actually agree with GSD on this one. The soul is part of God and always has been one with God. The problem we face as humans is the mind (or the ego, which is the lower function of the mind) and its realization, or lack of realization, that it is one with God.
GSD is correct about this. We have always been and will always be “one with God”. However, our minds/egos can’t see this and thus we suffer from all the ills the illusion of separation that the ego mind creates.
Posted by: Sonya | January 17, 2025 at 09:24 PM
How can GSD know anything about true God, when he himself is a crook, a walking inflated ego, an angry old man , a pervert obsessed with the opposite sex and a wife murderer. Surely you can all see that he's no God, right ?. Whatsmore he has zero enlightenment and wisdom to share, and just a copy cat guru that recites other scripts. He's just empty, a donkey dhillon that shares nothings on stage. Its never too late to Wake up everyone. Don't fall for this dog and his barking.
Posted by: Kranvir | January 27, 2025 at 12:37 PM