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From Brian’s book; - “A central message of the Enneads is that what each of us truly longs for, even if we don't consciously realize it, is to return to the One -- which may be thought of as "God,"

It does seem that we posit the idea of One as being something to attain, something we’ve lost and therefore resort to seeking out teachers and teachings that can help us ‘return to one’. Whereas the reality is probably more to do with the fact that we are not separate in the first place. We are formed from the same stuff as the rest of life, the rest of the universe and are subject to the same laws.

As Brian’s quote declares: - “...Presently each of us lives in a realm of duality. There is an individual and there are entities other than that individual. It is extremely difficult to break out of this manner of being, even to merely envision the possibility of existing as simultaneously one with ourselves and one with the cosmos.”

Yes, it is extremely difficult to envision, for to envision something is to imagine or conceive it – which means to think about it. And, as great a tool thinking is in order to plan and process information, it is totally incapable and ultimately misleading to apply thinking to solving metaphysical is-sues – which of course are themselves merely derived from thought. To confuse the issue further, we may have had certain inexplicable experiences (all quite natural) and apply thought in an attempt to understand them to often arrive at some other-worldly explanation.

Our connection to everything is palpable, but the insecure self-structures we have built consistently divorce us from this recognition insisting that we are special and different from the rest of the world around us - this process (to use the Buddhist term) is the cause of suffering

Conceptual indigestion is the root of Dual/Non-Dual issue. Or at least, I suspect it is for many of us.

What I mean: Dualistic theistic religion requires the capacity to believe a Divine Person has created and is running the universe. Some people have no problem accepting this dualistic concept and its attendant moving parts, such as the Divine Person sending his Son or Last Prophet, coming to earth Himself as Krsna, or infusing his Being into a Saint as proxy. The more conceptual moving parts in a theology, the more faith it requires. Lack of sufficient faith results in irresolvable mental conflict.

The irresolvable mental conflict of Dualistic religion motivated the Buddha as much as old age, sickness, and death. Hence the Buddha's criticism of the Brahmins:

https://suttacentral.net/dn13/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none&notes=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin

There's another side to this topic. If the non-dual approach is in all ways superior to dualism, then why didn't it replace popular interest in dualistic religions? Even in Buddhist nations, there's a lot of praying that goes on in the temples.

Why is it far more satisfying to read about Ramana Maharshi than to live like Ramana Maharshi?

The One, also known as Tao...

"The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao.
The name that can be named is not the eternal name.
The nameless is the beginning of heaven and Earth.
The named is the mother of the ten thousand things.
Ever desireless, one can see the mystery.
Ever desiring, one sees the manifestations.
These two spring from the same source but differ in name; this appears as darkness.
Darkness within darkness.
The gate to all mystery."

Et cetera, et cetera.

"I have no idea if what Plotinus says about the One (or what Dhillon says about oneness) is objectively true. Meaning, part of the nature of reality. This is different from a subjective sense of oneness -- which almost everyone has from time to time."
- Brian Hines

A sense of Oneness is not the thing. That is a subjective experience.

The first starting point is:
What is REAL? The japji calls it Sach and defines it as the Eternal.
"was in thr beginning, will be in the end"

There is no possibility of an "entity" such as a personal God being real.
Anything individual is necessarily within the boundary of time. That means it had a beginning and will have an end.

Eternal does not exist in time or space. Hence there cannot be a God who has a shape, a form and a mind. All those require space and time.

The only possible God necessarily has no shape, no personality and no mind.
in our world, that is called "non-existent"

So God, ONE, is necessarily non-existent.

it cannot be seen or experienced. if someone says "I have seen God" he is lying or deluded because God cannot be seen.

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Semantic quibbling, Mr. Robbins.

How can the One exist and be real when we are all here in so many forms?

1) The beginning of all pholosophy is Wonder."
Plato

That is also the middle and end of all philosophy. If we do not love what we see, then we have not touched that state of wonder.

2) When two beings love each other through and through, with an unalloyed love, an uncompromised love, an unselfish love, they are, in all that matters, indistinguishable.

The answer is to Oneness is Love. Love without conditions, love that is entirely inclusive. Unbounded and unmeasurable. And Wonder is the gateway drug to that.'

Dear 777,

Yes love and bhakti are very powerful in of themselves. Some things, however, are so personal (or so particular to one individual and not necessarily of import to others) that it is difficult to discuss them on an open forum. I remember when Professor Juergensmeyer was interviewing Charan Singh in his office at the Dera in the summer of 1978 and he asked Charan if he had contact with Sawan Singh's spirit.... Charan replied that some things are too intimate for such discussion. I didn't think Charan was blowing Mark off, but rather that it was so deep to Charan that it would be nearly impossible to discuss publicly without trivializing it. Anyone who knows me knows what I feel about Charan.

Posted by: David Lane | September 08, 2015 at 09:18 PM

@ Spence T.

What has happened?
This the first time that I do not understand what you write.

"How can the One exist and be real when we are all here in so many forms?"
-Spence Tepper

Hi Spence, hope you are keeping well.

Very few people even understand what ONENESS actually means.
After understanding, comes the realization.

even understanding is rare.

Oneness and duality co-exist. The Oneness is real (never ends)
whereas the many (maya) is changing and that means unreal.

unreal means - it ends

At the lowest level we feel completely separate from all else. This is known as Hell.

As we rise in consciousness we see that we are fragmented, then connected and ultimately we begin to realize that we are all one. In our Oneness we are at peace. In our Oneness we are God.

Guilt separates us. Grace unites us.

Gurinder Singh Dhillon says alot lot but its all garbage and should be binned

He goes on about all the other religions in the world but why, he isn't a religion as he says, so is he putting them all down or showing the world he's going on about nothings.

There's no truth to anything he has ever said sitting on that mountain up there on stage acting all Godly as others sit way down there at his feet.

High and mighty egotisticaly big headed as a know it all who contradictes everything in life he himself say.

Lives off others land and money and acts like an God sent man

He's not even a Man

Who earns a honest living and pays his own way through life has he? Ever? Never
Same goes for his family too

Ridiculing the sangat who can't see anything and can't hear anything beyond his lies.

Gurinder is no God not even a God man
He's a Con man who has lived a lie of a life and still does.

Don't believe this Baba who has no proof or facts about what he says on stage and off

Gurinders Shameless act is over and so is he

Hi Um
You asked
"What has happened?
This the first time that I do not understand what you write."

Yes. Something happened.
I saw Baba Ji in Petaluma.
For some reason I can't begin to explain, that I don't understand I burst into tears and could not stop crying.

He walked around and glimpsed at me and I burst into tears again and cried like a baby, and could not take my eyes off him.

It was disturbing. It was amazing.

Yes, something happened. Something happened. I'm not the same.

To even try to explain is just being dishonest. Something happened. I honestly do not understand. Yes I've changed. But I don't understand. I'm so grateful. But for what? Yes it was disturbing. Yes something happened.

Gurinder Singh dhillon thinks he is the oneness and that everything revolves around him. His visit to the Pope and kissing his hand along with his son and jasdeep show how he's trying hard to manipulate himself as the new top dog of the planet. Not forgetting his frantic efforts in hanging out with cult leaders of India and the celebrities and Bollywood stars. Why doesn't he just merge into his rssb brother , ram Raheem, so he can become one with the inmates and crooks.

Hi Um
You asked
"@ Spence T.

What has happened?
This the first time that I do not understand what you write."

Yes something has happened. Nothing escapes you apparently.

I saw Baba ji in Petaluma. I burst into tears when I saw him and could not stop crying for quite a long time. Like a baby. The entire creation smiled and sat upon the stage. The entire creation walked among the Satsangis pouring everything he had into them.

It was wonderful and also disturbing. When you witness something so immense you are left with the fact that you saw from one point only, but it was every point. Every word I could write would be an injustice to it.

These things change us, that is a fact. but I can't say how. How could I understand, as an ignorant student?

Yes something happened. But it may take years for me to digesr it.

https://youtu.be/_wMU54gg3Sc?si=y_ifTYAw8NUFJQln

I thought satsangis always believed in Oneness as the ultimate reality. Duality only “exists” in the mind.

I love the spirit of Christmas so much it’s ridiculous. I guess that makes sense considering I was born in America in a place that often gets a white Christmas. It’s just such a happy time.

In the spirit of Oneness and Kwanzaa and Chrismukkah this year, here’s a treat https://youtu.be/NALZk5W72GY?si=BrVDPkHnKfwW65SM. I hope all of you here enjoy a very special holiday with family and friends. ❤️

I know that Christmas isn’t actually the day that Jesus was born. According to biblical scholars Jesus was most likely born in October (a Libra of corse!) but it’s a time when the whole world reflects upon the past year and the year to come. We are truly One in that when someone else is hurting you feel their pain and when someone else is rejoicing you feel their joy.

Egos aside, it’s a magical, marvelous, miraculous time.

*We truly are ONE.

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