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November 06, 2024

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>> So what do we do about our “ignore more, care less, everything is fine!” era? We need to stop enabling i<<

I will not say .."Forget it, it is impossible" ... but it is certainly not easy.

Why?
Because our brain, like our other "instruments" like senses, legs etc are made to sustain the integrity of the whole body in a given surrounding.

Human brain does not process information, stimuli, in an "random" way..
Psychologists have found that the brain is selective. Information that is not evaluated as "needed for survival" is easily removed by "adaptation". People working with [radar] screens are selected on their "talent" or better said "the lack thereof" to stay alert and focused for a long time. The brain filters noises and even visual stimuli

Other psychologists have found that if the brain is kept in a state of "deprivation of sensory stimuli" it will start to produce its own ..as the Brain HAS to process in order to stay alive

In the same way the brain makes thoughts "invisible" that it cannot process and turn into activity.

Those that use instruments like "binoculars" do not see further than others. These instruments bring closer , within the reach of human vision what is NOT there in reality.

Humans irrespective the power of their instruments, remain NATURAL human beings and they cannot reach further that their "natural" instruments allow them.

So humans face with information that goes BEYOND their natural reach will transfer that information into handlebar proportions .

Humans are not made for globalization and if they do, they will do it by simplifying what is out there and in doing that they run the risk of "making things seen as ...."

Humans attribute meaning and value to what they experience with their conditioned brain.

Things are what they are
seldom what they appear to be
let alone how they are presented
let alone how they are made to be seen.

It is all about CONDITIONING ...for a while we lived as humanity in cultures and societies where people, apart from their differences in appreciation, share the same set of values and meanings. ..that is no longer the case and has become clearly visible in the political choices that are made.

The huge middle class of common people, the silent majority, is no longer keeping the extremes away from one another and these extremes have to fight whether they like it or not ..the Gauss curve has turned in to an upside down cup and the unity of the silent majority is broken into two sides and they will offer the fuel for the extremists to fight their will.

It has happened in the past and it will pass and a new middle class will arise. sharing the same values and meaning in the public domain.

In the cinema when there is fire or the suggestion thereof, best stand with ones back against the wall, in order to prevent to be trampled down.

Here in the UK, it’s difficult to understand the amount of adulation that Americans give to their presidents and their favoured presidential candidates. Okay, so on a much lesser scale we have the Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage types who engender a small amount of support – mainly as they, like Trump preach similar ‘drain the swamp’ messages. They seem to steer toward a type of presidential authority rather than the UK’s role of prime minister.

Quite simply, prime ministers cannot become presidents because the UK has a system of parliamentary government rather than presidential government. Anyway, it’s still not perfect by any means but it does help to prevent any one person from having too much power.

The two main issues I have regarding Trump is that he does not take America’s (and the rest of the worlds) biggest threat seriously – which is climate change – and to be fair, I didn’t hear Harris mention it; no doubt because for the majority of Americans (and to many other people world-wide) it is so far removed from peoples’ everyday lives and priorities, it is conveniently ignored. In reality, we should stop using oil and coal now – but we can’t (or won’t).

The other issue is the sense of justice. Trump should be in jail by now for his 88 criminal charges and 34 convictions but now, with his pending presidency he no doubt has been handed a ‘get out of jail free card’. But as with Boris Johnson who mislead (lied) parliament on several issues and resulted in his dismissal as PM, there were, like Trump, many who made excuse for him.

um points out some aspects of human nature, I would add that like lemmings we are rushing toward the precipice – perhaps many precipices, climate change being just one, but no doubt the most important one in reality. We ignore or cannot accept the obvious. Like the on-going wars around the world. The main causes emerging from nationalism, religion and, as always, becoming more and more pertinent, the clamour for resources.

Listened to Harris's speech just now, officially conceding to Trump, and thanking everyone. Pleasure to hear her.

People could have had her. Instead, what they chose was ...that foul orange stinking turd. How on earth?

Heh, you were right, those who aren't sociopaths cannot even grasp what makes these vile creatures tick.

You spoke of empathy, last post. Huh. Empathy cannot be tried for, it just happens. Understanding, sure, that can be tried for, and should be tried for. But while so doing, one must be on guard never to cross the line into empathy, not when it comes to some folks. Some creatures it is best not to empathize with, like Hitler, like the Nazis, like Trump, like the lowlifes that support him, and their equivalent elsewhere in the world. Even though these too are technically human, even so.

Could have had Kamala. Chose that obscene, vile creature instead. What a tragedy.

>> The main causes emerging from nationalism, religion and, as always, becoming more and more pertinent, the clamour for resources.<<

Humans live in places were they by nature cannot survive.
The recreation of the original habitat for which they are made, costs energy.
They have to create their artificial sun and its qualities and effects on nature.

Near the Hague, in the evening the sky lights up yellow due to the see of greenhouses growing food and flowers, not only for domestic use but as one of the greatest exporters around the world.

Day in day out people have to drive to their work by car

Food is transported, people are transported etc etc

That all costs ..energy ...and those that worry about the climate, care for animals ..do participate in that consumption of energy as the rest ...I dare to say that it would not surprise me at all that they consume MORE.

It is with nicotine and alcohol addiction ...they do not want to get rid of it bur do want only to get rid of the negative side effects.

Nature will see to all of it ..humans did not create a crises, they cannot solve it, they have to bare the consequences of their consumption, consumption that is BEYOND what they need as natural beings.

Animals only gather what they need in a day., the rest the spend in leisure.

By the way:

People call the newly elect President of the USA all sorts of names and compare him with all sorts of human beings that have made their way into school books on history as Tyrants, autocrats etc lik the Italian founder of fascism Benito Mussolini with whom he has a striking similarity in many ways ...but ...all these people had a different motivation to do what they did and the way they used power.

If asked to label all these people with just ONE word to characterize them, would you use the same word for all??
I would not.
I tend to label the new President as "businessman"
That word, at least for me, makes him seen and what to expect from his rule for 4 years in a complete other light, than the words I would use for the rest. of the "genle"men

And do not forget the culture and its history of rulers etc ..imperial rulers

"The speeches of Kamala Harris are filled with talk about how our country has to do more to help struggling people. She wants more affordable housing, better child care, help for families both raising children and caring for aging relatives, and expanded health benefits, to name a few policy goals. When us liberals hear her speak this way, we're inspired to do more ourselves to aid those less fortunate than we are. Meanwhile, Trump supporters are being fed a steady diet of fear, anger, lies, and revenge from their own presidential candidate. So it's no wonder that the lack of empathy conservatives manifest naturally, perhaps because of their individualistic worldview, is exacerbated by being surrounded by members of their chosen "tribe" who are spurred toward even less empathy by Trump's communications with them about how it's fine to be uncaring toward anyone who disagrees with you."

That's what you wrote the other day. Just what "reality" are you embracing, given that Donald Trump won in a landslide? Is it that the majority of Americans are selfish and bereft of compassion for the less fortunate? Must be. Oh, but "determinism" is your smug explanation for why the non-elite are so immoral.

If you really were sincere about embracing reality, you'd forget excuses involving determinism and tribalism, and accept the incontrovertibly obvious fact that America just experienced 4 years under the Dems and rejected their stewardship of the nation. And did so for very objective reasons, the blunders of the Biden/Harris regime too numerous to mention.

I struggle to imagine what you have in mind in respect to "help for other people." More sex change operations for kids? More men competing in women's sports? More illegal immigrants with criminal records flooding the nation? Higher taxes? More profligate spending? More inflation? More support for foreign wars that have nothing to do with U.S. security? The people have spoken and they reject that crap.

Dems, maybe instead of smugly damning everyone who doesn't vote your way, look in the mirror.


The recent election makes a strong case for the recriminalization of marijuana.

"The recent election makes a strong case for the recriminalization of marijuana."

You may have a point.

If Brian wasn't so stoned all the time, he might not have been so scared and paranoid of non existent orange haired monsters which have no impact on his real life!

Either that or he should get some better shit.

2024 US election recap:

A huge piece of shit beats an even bigger piece of shit which helps USA retain the title of biggest laughing stock pretending to be a democracy in the world.

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manjit,

That's part of the joke, that we Harris supporters had our own delusions.

But some handle weed better than others. The chronic stoners I knew in my youth all turned into conspiracy theorists. I don't see that in Brian.

Here's my personal conspiracy theory.
Religious conservatives will remake the US into a Christian version of Iran. They'll hollow out the federal goverment until nothing is left except for a military industrial complex more monstrous than ever. Don't forget their end game, the Second Coming of Christ. The Book of Revelations suggests it can't happen until the Third Temple is built. Where? On or near the Dome of the Rock. Neither site bodes well for the future of Palestinians. Next follow the Antichrist and Armageddon, aka WWIII.

A Texas Christian rancher purpose raised red heifers for purification of kohanim (priests) in the future temple.
https://m.jpost.com/judaism/article-717650
“The Bible says to bring a red cow to purify Israel, and I may not understand it, but I am just doing what the Bible said.”

Can you see why it makes me nervous that Trump enjoys so much support among evangelicals? I don't believe in the Bible, but they do.

In the above thread, highly righteous folks describe to us the kind of "lowlife" monsters who vote for "Nazis" like Trump and how they are beneath our empathy.

So I thought I would look into some of these subhuman creatures who didn't vote for genocide Harris, like other decent folks, but instead chose to vote for the devil incarnate himself, Trump:

https://youtu.be/-dF1my0rzCE?t=730&si=Z0tmIA5lJCQHW4Ua

What vile subhuman monsters all these folks are!

I mean, how can you not support the team CURRENTLY committing a genocide, starting WW3 and bringing really decent folks like the war obsessed Republican Cheney's, who were responsible for the deaths of over a million innocent people, on board for their election campaign of Joy and moral decency?

It's a real mystery 🤔

No semblance of coherence anywhere. Or of any intellectual integrity. Been pointed multiple times, the lack of connect between that issue and that choice. But hasn't penetrated through to the block of wood sitting between the ears, apparently.

To imagine that these ...halfwits, these disingenuous fools, these completely empty poseurs, one had one time imagined were possessed of spiritual insight and wisdom!

Not to beat oneself up, though. You live and you earn.


...Haha, patriotism the last refuge of the scoundrel? That, certainly, in the sense it was said. But likewise, and again in that sense, spiritualism as the last refuge of the empty, disingenuous poseur. Because nothing's easier than making up a bunch of tall claims, and packing it up in obscurantist nonsense.

Personally, that's been one benefit. I'd wasted too much time and effort, extending the benefit of doubt way beyond what was reasonable. This nonsense helped snap out of it. That much, at any rate.

2024 US election electorate and policy facts:

Harris voters: 100% Sheeple Suckers, 0% Based

Trump voters: 100% Sheeple Suckers, 0% Based

Non & 3rd party voters: 0% Sheeple Suckers, 100% Based

Harris Win % chance of continuing US Imperialist barbarism, genocide and war: 100%

Trump Win % chance of continuing US Imperialist barbarism, genocide and war: 99.999999995%

Fuck America, but God bless the rest of the world, we need it.

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To be clear to those unable to form a single coherent argument containing any facts or reality in defence of their irrationality, here's my view elaborated:

I think folks who believe Trump is anti war have been hoodwinked.

I think folks who think Harris is not a puppet of the Genocidal military industrial complex have been hoodwinked.

You've all been hoodwinked.

But the simple, inarguable point I'm actually making, clearly too sophisticated, nuanced and multi valent than either those suffering from Trump derangement syndrome or Trump is the saviour syndrome are able to comprehend, is that not all the folks who have been hoodwinked, IE. Pretty much the entire electorate, are inherently "nazi" loving "lowlifes".

Perhaps too reconciliatory for those suffering from late stage TDS?

They were the party that promised "unity." Instead, having seized power, they spent the next 4 years going hog wild with spending and every woke cause. Biden's great crusade of unity was capped with him calling all Republicans, "garbage."

They were the party that swore they were all about defending American democracy. They demonstrated their passion for democracy by keeping the Southern border open, fighting against the 1st and 2nd Amendments, and trying their best to lock up everyone who got in the way of their holding power. They also went to war on the highest court of the land -- a branch supposedly equal to the other 2 -- damning every SCOTUS judge who disagreed with them and trying to bloat the court with more Justices. All in the name of "saving democracy."

They came up with a new national holiday, January 6th, to commemorate their sandbagging Capitol le to make the most of an unruly political rally. Oh, what a godsend for damning every non dem voter as a terrorist! They deemed this rally an "insurrection" as if the fate of the country was in the balance by the actions of a few unarmed people. Much ado was made of said rally and the squalling continues.

They are the party that never stopped calling everyone in the opposition a fascist, a Russia simp, a Nazi. "Democracy is in peril!" "Support us or democratic institutions will perish!"

They are the party that even before Trump was first elected, it was unsafe to publicly support Trump. They are the party that assaults people who dare to publicly state they're not Democrats - a policy of intolerance I don't believe we've seen since the Civil War era.

They are the party that prides itself on its intolerance, that celebrates censorship. They are the most Orwellian party in American history, as they think their championing of intolerance and censorship is for the greater good. "We must fight disinformation!" The fact is they can't stand disagreement and will, and have, tried to crush anyone who gets in their way.

Bad news O self-styled defenders of democracy: The public has had enough of your saving-democracy delusions, has seen that you're really not the good guys you think you are, and has elected Donald Trump as our president.

I suggest you dry your tears and get real.

@Santmat64,….you are speaking not only my mind, but most likely, every one who voted AGAINST the Democrats,….not especially FOR Trump. Trump, along with Musk, Kennedy, Gabbard, Viveck, and a host of others on this new Platform should be a breath of fresh air.

I really hope Trump Supporters are feeling like me now. I hope they are no longer accepting that we are Deplorables, Fachists, Racists, White Supremists, Uneducated, Ignorent, Nazis, Homophobs, UnaWOKE, and GARBAGE, as the sitting current President of the United States labeled us just a week ago. If they are like me, they can’t wait for President Elect Trump to hit the ground running, and just GIT ER DONE! Get done every thing he promised to do ASAP, so we can return to sharing our American Dream,………of what I have already achieved, hoping that Door will be reopened for our Youth of the future. 😇
Jim Sutherland

If somebody told y'all that a time traveller from the future was sent back in time to today to unravel what caused the human apocalypse, you'd be forgiven for thinking it was because of Trump.

But you'd be wrong;

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/monkeys-escape-south-carolina-research-facility-police-search/

https://youtu.be/15s4Y9ffW_o?si=JDyKPMX2vw3kLkbe

"The Blue Wall" has indeed crumbled, and now he's "sad."

Don't you love the cool way Brian writes? He sounds so reasonable, so human. Well, he's trying to sound that way, now that Donald Trump crushed Kamala Harris.

But some of us will remember that Brian called all Trump supporters mindless tribalists who support fascism. We're not impressed with his "sad" act.

"some of us will remember that Brian called all Trump supporters mindless tribalists who support fascism"


..........Because that's what these creatures are. The election result doesn't change that. Like the folks that voted in Hitler. Argumentum ad populam does not cease to be a fallacy in this brave (read vile) new world.

Not just that, drooling halfwits as well. And dishonest to their very core, complete strangers to intellectual integrity.

These slaveys imagine *they* have won, as they grovel at the feet of their vile master and lick his boots, these creatures bereft of all dignity and all sense of right and wrong. It is their master that has won, and who will now benefit, he and his family and cronies and opportunists like Musk. Not these creatures, fawning at the feet of their master, not beyond the satisfaction of seeing the 'other' brought down a peg or two. ...But, haha, schadenfreude was openly embraced --- and why not, naked vileness is the flavor in fashion now --- so maybe that scrap thrown at them is enough to secure their continued devotion.

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And theirs is the world now. Who knows, maybe forever --- or at least, for a long long time to come. The Hitlers and Trumps of the world do not give up power as gracefully as decent, sane people like Biden and Harris do.

The nightmare begins. One only hopes it won't turn as dark as one had imagined it. One hopes that, some years down, one will not have to stop oneself posting criticism of the God-king here on earth, or of other lesser Gods and God-sons that populate the Bible, or else do so as an act of courageous defiance and at risk to oneself. One hopes this isn't the dawn of Amreekistan.

And who knows, maybe it won't, maybe none of that will happen? Just maybe? One can hope. After all, the one thing Trump is is erratic, unpredictable, chaotic. Maybe, now that his small-cock ego has found adequate adulation, he will rest content at that, and let go the past resentment and anger, and forget his avowed authoritarian intentions? Just maybe? Yes, one can hope.

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Again, to focus on the tiny sliver of good in this, personally it's helped one shake off the benefit of the doubt one had continued to extend ---- not to this specimen, this one has long been completely obvious, but to some others --- beyond what's reasonable, from a sense of inertia, for old times' sake, a sense of decency, from not being able to grok this kind of stupidity and incoherence and dishonesty and vileness, that is so alien to one, not until it crosses the limit beyond which it cannot be disregarded any more. So yeah, there's that. Not much consolation, but still.


The Dems did it to themselves. 13 million Dems didn't vote in the election vs. 2020?
All is not lost. Watch Neville Goddards narrated book on youtube called -Facts overflow the World.
NGs technique is pick a goal any goal will do. Say you want to stop Trump as the goal. As you go to sleep imagine you hear your wife,the newscaster reacting in shock to Trump not becoming President. Then go to sleep and do this every night. You don't get to choose the date this happens.
I started using this technique to get the four guys wrecking World Peace. They are Xi, Putin, Netanyahoo, and Kim . This was 2 years ago when the Ukraine war started. Xi is now out of power(although you don't hear of it in the mainstream media), Putin and Netanyahoo looking shaky and Kim not sure of.
Good luck on the quest.

There’s a lot of gloaters commenting here at the moment, simply because Brian said the way it was about the nature and obnoxious way that Trump has always conducted himself – not that he [Trump] has any choice in the matter, that’s just the way he is! Honesty, integrity and truth, like war, seem to be disposable regular causalities in the ways of the world. Being principled just doesn’t cut it any more, instead people see it as weakness.

It seems to be the way of things these days, and not just in the political world. Leaders get away with anything as long as they appease the masses and have enough financial backing and clout. I guess reluctantly, other world leaders, particularly in Europe who depend on the USA in many ways will adopt their best diplomatic behaviour to gain Trump’s favour – and some of the more astute, will know how to manipulate him.

When you think about it, all the philosophical and spiritual topics have one thing in common: They're all about feeling good. Or perhaps the best way of feeling good.

And I can tell you this my friends -- the high I feel from Trumps win can't be beat!

Trump freakin won! Oh, how sweet it is! Oh, what rapture! Oh, what bliss! Anami Lok got nothing on this!

You really thought Trump was through? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

The Dems spent a billion dollars to get Jar Jar elected, but lost! This must be was kundalini awakening feels like!

The New York Times front page laments that Trump only won the popular vote because he somehow mesmerized the nation into voting for him, just like Hitler did. Truly this is heaven on earth! My schadenfreude is at level 10!

Oh thank you so much Joe Biden, and Pelosi, and Hollywood, and the DOJ, and of course Kamala. You've put me on cloud 9...and I have 4 more years of enjoying Trump in power, a joy compounded by the constant awareness that the people who for the last 8 years called me a garbage tribalist fascist are suffering untold agonies that Binks lost.

OH this is so sweet!!!!

Donald Trump was not a good leader and will not be a good leader.
He doesn't have the traits to be a good leader. A good leader has to have fairness,no bullying, and no name calling.
A great leader has to create consensus with a population that has great diversity.
A fantastic leader doesn't divide people or make people hate each other.
He doesn't appeal to the worst base note of a human and Donald does all those things.

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