Science says the energy of matter is the energy of being

In my religious true-believing days, I would have made more of the scientific understanding shared in this blog post than what the understanding supports. Meaning, it isn't at all mystical, though it contains echoes of certain mystical teachings.

Or more accurately, those teachings contain echoes of scientific truth.

Today I got to the chapter in theoretical physicist Matt Strassler's book, Waves in an Impossible Sea: How Everyday Life Emerges from the Cosmic Ocean, where he reveals the secret that he's been building up to in the part of the book that precedes the Quantum section. 

I'm tempted to summarize what he said, but I'm resisting that temptation, because I'd surely screw up some aspect of Strassler's big reveal, and I don't want to do that. 

This is really interesting physics, expressed in a fashion that I've never come across in the many other books about the new physics that I've read. So enjoy Strassler's words. He begins by recollecting a class discussion about the electron's rest mass and energy. He calls quantum phenomena "wavicles" rather than particles, because they have both wave and particle characteristics. 

Strassler states that a stationary electron is nothing like a stationary dot.

"Notice how different this is from the image in the atomic cartoon," I remarked, "which encourages us to imagine a stationary electron as a little ball, sitting there and doing absolutely nothing. A standing wavicle is much more interesting than that. It's always vibrating. In fact, an electron is vibrating a million billion times every second.

"And here's the key point. Simply because it's vibrating, it has energy!"

The first student squinted at me. "Are you saying that the electron's vibration energy is what gives it rest mass?"

"Exactly!" I exclaimed. 

Now the rest of the class was beginning to look interested. After a few moments to let them think, I gave them another perspective.

"Let me say this a different way. Imagine the electron field in your vicinity isn't vibrating; its value is zero, and the space is empty. You decide you want to make an electron from scratch. To do that, you have to make the electron field vibrate, like a guitar player plucking a string. The amount of energy you need to add to the electron field, to get it to vibrate with precisely one stationary electron -- one wavicle's worth of vibration, standing still in front of you -- is exactly the electron's rest mass times [c²].

Here's yet another way to look at it," I added. "An electron is, by nature, a vibration. It can't exist without constantly vibrating, any more than a human can exist without a heartbeat. All vibrating things have energy, even if they're not going anywhere. So an electron, even when stationary, has to have energy. This energy is intrinsic to it; take the energy away, and the electron ceases to exist. It's this intrinsic energy that gives it rest mass."

An electron is a vibration; vibrations always have energy; without the energy, there is no vibration and therefore no electron. It's the vibrational energy that leads to rest mass. I summed it up in a way I hoped the students wouldn't forget.

"In essence, an electron's rest mass is its energy-of-being."

This is the long-awaited secret. Our bodies are constructed from vibrations -- literally. These vibrations are quanta of waves, known as wavicles. An elementary wavicle's rest mass arises from its energy-of- being... the energy required for it to exist in the first place.

This energy isn't like the chemical energy stored in a battery or the fuel in a car, which can be added or taken out. Nor can it flow in and out like water. It's a precondition for the electron to be.

You might reasonably complain that I should have explained this from the start. I've misled you for half a book by implying that an object's rest mass is always the energy that is found inside it. In my experience, telling the whole story too early makes it harder to understand. You have to first escape the atomic cartoon. If it's still dominating your thinking -- if you're visualizing an electron as a dot -- the possibility that the electron could have energy inherently, by the very nature of its vibratory existence, doesn't make any sense. Scientists themselves took decades to figure it out.

It's quite natural, from the perspective of someone looking at an electron from a distance, to misinterpret its hidden vibrational energy. It clearly isn't motion energy, because it's there even when the electron is stationary, and it clearly isn't external to the electron, since it travels with the electron wherever it goes. Based on common sense, one might guess that this energy must be internal to -- stored inside -- the electron. It takes imagination to realize that the electron could possess this energy in a completely different way, as only a wavicle can. 

...Mass is not equal to frequency in some general sense but only in a very specific one. For an elementary wavicle, rest mass represents its energy-of-being -- the energy required for the wavicle to exist -- which in turn is set by the resonant frequency of its field.

This explains, finally, why rest mass has everything to do with resonance. Fields that can resonate have wavicles with rest mass. For a species that so often puts music at the center of celebration, worship, and pleasure, this is deeply appealing. Like any musical instrument, the cosmos resonates with a pattern of frequencies, one that our formula translates directly into the pattern of the elementary wavicles' rest masses. These wavicles, the bricks of the material world, are the musical quanta -- the quietest tones -- of this instrument. The universe rings everywhere, in every thing. 

Comments

[Tej]

The Shabd

[Ron E.]

@ Brian: - “In my religious true-believing days, I would have made more of the scientific understanding shared in this blog post than what the understanding supports. Meaning, it isn't at all mystical, though it contains echoes of certain mystical teachings.”

Interesting as it all is, no matter if science comes up with mysterious ‘wavicles’, ‘dark matter’, ‘dark energy’, the sound of the early universe’ and even ‘consciousness’, where such things are still open to investigation, human nature is programmed to make them into something other-worldly and supernatural.

Rather than expend energy trying to fit nature’s unsolved wonders into something mysterious and supernatural, better perhaps to look into one’s psyche for the reasons and motivations that push one away from science and nature into pseudo-science and the ego-based search for some sort of self continuity.

Best to check out to see if all this searching for meaning, all this hoping, praying and general self-aggrandisement is merely the ego-self’s usual modus operandi of trying to maintain its fragile, illusory nature.

[Appreciative Reader]

That's interesting! And confounding as well!

That electrons, or indeed any mass, is associated with (or, put differently, is equivalent to) energy, which is to say its rest energy, that one understands. Further, that electrons do not exist as particles, but instead actually exist as probability fields --- which is to say, waves --- that also one has managed to internalize.

Here he's talking about electrons actually vibrating. Which is something I don't quite get. (But that's fine. There's a great many things about physics, and particularly about QM, that I don't get, even from within those areas that I have some superficial familiarity with.)

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Haha, I read this article, and was going to jokingly comment something along the lines of "Cue someone chiming in with suggestions about Shabd, or maybe about Oneness." ...And I find I've been beaten to the draw already.

Cheers, Tej. No offense intended, but I find that knee-jerk kind of funny. And, haha, this reaction seems to have adroitly set up, tongue firmly in cheek, by Brian!

This frequency business is something that, like I said, I don't actually understand. In fact, I've never actually viewed electrons in quite this sense. So I won't venture to try to explain the technicalities of why this isn't the Shabd thing. Beyond simply pointing out three incidental things:
(1) First, these frequencies aren't primal: that is, in terms of chronology they follow the BB (in as much as they're a property of matter/energy) (as far as I can see);
(2) Second, there's no question of consciousness being associated with it;
and
(3) Three, there's again no question of these frequencies being directly apprehended by us via meditation, there's no possible causal route linking the one to the other, not without launching into random speculations that are firmly invisible-dragon territory.

[Appreciative Reader]

"have *been* adroitly set up"! Although I suppose my meaning's clear enough, even with that typo.

[Appreciative Reader]

I just reread this article. Without going into the joke sidebar about Shabda --- which is fair game, Brian, given the inclination and the bias of many readers here, and which I enjoyed! --- I was wondering, about the article itself, about the quote itself: Might he have used the term "vibrations" figuratively? As an easy way to convey that mass is equivalent to energy, and that this means rest mass and rest energy? That seems likely, or at least possible, because he seems to be addressing undergrads here in this lecture, and addressing this at a fairly basic level.

Where I was coming from is this: If those are literally vibrations, then by definition we'll have *kinetic* energy associated with it. And yet he makes clear that's not what he means. So maybe, just maybe, "vibrations" may be an easy way to convey to beginner students both the energy equivalence of mass, as well as probabilistic "waves" thing, both counter-intuitive ideas at the same time? A neat visual picture as it were, except a figurative one?

...That's my tentative take, basis a quick reread, of what has been troubling me (mildly), given this seems to differ at a basic level from what I thought I knew.

Should he elaborate on that in further chapters, Brian, maybe you could clarify that?

(Happy to update my understanding, should those "vibrations" turn out to be literal. Like I said, I'm no expert, very very very far from it! Just an interested layman, who's happened to have studied it a wee bit, a long time back. ...And, haha, RSSB fans, don't get your hopes up, because literal actual vibrations take you no closer to the Shabda interpretation! This is just about clarifying a doubt about a small technical detail, is all.)

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Hope Laurel's recovering fine! Cool that you should be able to take time out for this as well, Brian, in the midst of all of that. Admire your focus and discipline!

[Ron E.]

I'm sure some may find a field of reality in physics, but like many fields of science it is beyond me. But I am interested in reality.

Just now a sleek black and white Magpie flew into the garden; he jumped up to catch an insect, our eyes met and he flew off. A minute later a Heron flew over the rooftops and garden, vivid against the blue sky.

Then the concept shabda came to mind, the direct opposite to the reality of the scenes just witnessed. The first being the reality of the moment, the other being the conceptual imagines of the thought dominated mind.

[sant64]

14 billion years ago, there was no matter. No matter, no energy, no space, no time. Literally nothing! Or literally nothing material. But somehow, from that nothing, came everything. Came the material universe in all its manifold splendor.

"Those who assert that a blind fatality produced the various effects we behold in this world, are guilty of a very great absurdity." -- Montesquieu

[sant64]

Confucious say she who lie about fry find opponent lead grow wide.

https://polymarket.com/

[umami]

sant64,

Polymarket isnt a polling site, its a betting site! And mostly guys, I imagine.

“In Polymarket in particular, you don’t have a particularly large or diverse crowd of people,” Creel said. “A large driver of this is that the exchange requires users to bet with cryptocurrency, which the vast majority of the population has little to no familiarity with. Cryptocurrency tends to be something mostly loved by those on the far right, particularly your libertarian types.”
https://fortune.com/2024/10/18/presidential-election-odds-pro-trump-bettors-polymarket-political-polls-harris/

[manjit]

Dear Umani, Sant64 is aware it is a betting site. I have no idea how your "mostly guys" comment has any relevance.

Betting sites are probably the most objective, independent and accurate gauge of probabilities. Money talks, everyone else is just talking. Betting odds, worldwide, tend to be pretty much identical and within a very narrow range whomever the betting company is. As I say, money talks.

At the moment, the odds in UK & Europe from multiple bookies are identical to the site Sant64 linked, which show the global consistency of odds:

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election/winner

Trump = 4/7 (21 return for every 13 placed, approx 1/1.57)
Harris = 8/5 (13 return for every 5 placed, 1.6/1)

These are just odds, probabilities, there are no certainties here, obviously.

If you disagree with the odds, perhaps imagining they are swayed by "mostly guys" who are presumably incel, place your money where your mouth is - 8/5 are amazing odds in a 2 horse race, you could become very rich if you are right? You can literally place millions on it. Non incels are allowed to place bets too, you know!

"Cryptocurrency tends to be something mostly loved by those on the far right, particularly your libertarian types"

The above statement is ChatGPT levels of factually incorrect! It is an absurd comment, actually, and bears no connection to reality. I have know plenty of folks who have been purchasing Bitcoin for almost a decade, since it was about $700, and have been involved in communities that have been praising it's virtues all that time (if I had ANY financial sense or even interest whatsoever, I would be quite financially secure by know, as close friends were telling me to put all my savings in it at $700 a coin and its around 60k a coin now...financial security is not in my future!). Not a single one of these folks is even remotely "right", let along "far right". It is incredible fortune.com could get something so basic so very wrong! Pretty much like everything in the US, appearances are far removed from reality. Political smoke and mirrors.

In summary, if anyone disagrees, place your money where your mouth is, simple as that! What does "money talks" mean? It means regardless of your politics, when it comes to money, and especially in USA, money is the great leveler; politics, values, morals etc go out the window:

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S

https://israelpalestinenews.org/here-are-the-top-recipients-of-aipac-money/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/10/congress-member-pro-israel-donations-military-support

(it is with great astonishment that we learn Biden is the top recipient of Genocidal Israeli blood money out of all US senators over the past 24 years, receiving 4.2 million dollars, that we know of......isn't it? Gotta love democracy).

Don't worry, it's not just the US, in the UK too the foreign terrorist, genocidal, racist, apartheid, entho-state of Israel infiltrated & funded our allegedly "left leaning" party too:

https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-lobby-funded-half-of-keir-starmers-cabinet/

So as you can see, when it comes to money, political values are irrelevant.

Here's a practical walk through of riding the ebbs and flows of political sentiment, and placing your money where your mouth is:

https://hinessight.blogs.com/salempoliticalsnark/2024/10/great-new-yorker-article-trump-is-a-distinctively-vile-human-being-.html?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e202e860ee9f0b200d#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e202e860ee9f0b200d

[manjit]

OOps, incorrect link above. Correct link below:

https://hinessight.blogs.com/salempoliticalsnark/2024/10/trump-is-mentally-unfit-to-be-president-lets-just-hope-he-wont-be.html?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e202e860d68d3e200b#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e202e860d68d3e200b

[manjit]

A great question for those will vote for the genocidal, world war 3 hungry Kamala Harris, is there a limit to the number of babies she can slaughter before you question voting for her?

We're at about 40,000 children slaughtered now perhaps, including those lost under the rubble. Approx. 10% of the entire Palestinian population has been wiped off the face of the earth with the bombs, finances and political support of Kamala Harris. And we cannot even begin to comprehend the long term effects of the complete and intentional genocidal destruction of the healthcare & other vital infrastructure in Gaza. It is genocide and ethic cleansing in it's most ugly and barbaric manifestation. The very depths of human depravity, with the smiling face of Biden and Kamala as the cover for this shameful monstrosity that is occurring.

Amongst the wacky tales told of Sawan Singh, it is said one of his most closest initiates, perhaps a secretary of his I forget now, in a delirium on his deathbed was fed an egg by his doctor without his permission. Despite his closeness to him even the "Great Master" Sawan was unable to help him with this great unintentional sin. He had to be reborn to account for this act of being fed an egg on his deathbed, despite being unconscious of it!

It is well know, that even as Gurinder rides in fully leathered out Bentleys, eats dairy etc, he forbade, very specifically, rennet in cheese. Rennet is obviously a super powerful conduit for Kal's energies.

So I ask again, just how many more children can Kamala slaughter, burn to death, orphan, amputee, put into mass graves etc, before Sat Purush deems voting for her becomes more karma creating than accidentally eating a rennet cheese biscuit?

50,000? 80,0000? The entire Palestinian population?

I'll let all y'all saintly people & mystics work that out and get back to me.

[umami]

manjit,

The pro-Israel lobby contributes most to campaigns in which the outcome of support is IN DOUBT. They don't spend as much on Republicans, because they don't have to.

Trump's little hands are far from clean.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/miriam-adelson-gives-100-million-to-trump-campaign-making-good-on-reported-pledge/
How do you like him now?

[manjit]

Unami,

Please show me where I said I "like" Trump, or how that is relevant to a SINGLE point I have made in my numerous posts about this subject? I suggest you cannot.

I am aware of how AIPAC works, and of multiple data points regarding Trump and Israel, one of the most obvious of which is Miriam's recent funding of his campaign; it is hard not to be aware of it as she has been practically shadowing him for the past few weeks. That is how badly the US has been infiltrated by this racist, genocidal, superior race believing, religious nutjob, apocalyptic ideology.

It appears, beyond your mistake in incorrectly pigeon holing me as "liking Trump" simply for stating facts about the current regime's barbaric, genocidal policies and relentless march towards WW3, your defense of US democracy, and specifically the democrat party's values and decency is that they have to be paid more to support these barbarities? Really, that's your defense of Biden and Harris? Actually my point is precisely this, that when it comes to morals, policies, decency etc, these are worthless when money is offered.

To reiterate, coincidentally of course, no US senator from ANY party has come anywhere near as close as Biden has in receiving funds from the genocidal Zionist regime in the past 24 years. We must assume it is mere coincidence he is president during the genocide? 4.2 million dollars. Insane.

Y'all love calling Trump corrupt, but the above fact is beyond disgusting considering tens of thousands of children have now been killed by that Zionist regime.

And just to clarify my position regarding US politics; it is completely broken and corrupt. The public are totally brainwashed and have no idea what is really occurring either behind the scenes of US politics or in the world. I believe all of US politics and media have been infiltrated by the Zionist terror organisation. Epstein clearly was a mossad agent and he's obviously filmed numerous influential US politicians and personalities having sex with minors amongst other things to blackmail them with. I think if somebody must feel like they must participate in and perpetuate the façade of US democracy, which is the most barbaric and brutal empire in human history, factually speaking, then Jill Stein is the only "decent" choice. finally, I believe Dwight D Eisenhower's farewell address is probably the last time a US president spoke honestly and wisely to the US Citizens:

"As we peer into society's future, we – you and I, and our government – must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for our own ease and convenience the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow."

"Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenhower's_farewell_address

[manjit]

Though I don't know too much about him, JFK is also said to be one of the US's last decent, honest president.

https://www.laprogressive.com/foreign-policy/from-dallas-to-gaza

Things didn't turn out too well for him though.

[umami]

manjit,

Trump must have hypnotic powers. You think he'll liberate Palestine. Meanwhile, wingnuts think he'll rebuild the Third Temple.

https://www.newsweek.com/jews-trump-persian-king-babylonian-exile-third-temple-judaism-744698

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2017-12-16/ty-article/trumps-compared-to-persian-king-cyrus-will-he-build-the-third-temple/0000017f-f882-d887-a7ff-f8e67abc0000

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132689424026

Who recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital? TRUMP.
https://il.usembassy.gov/statement-by-president-trump-on-jerusalem/
In Trump's own words (ghostwritten, obviously): "I’ve judged this course of action to be in the best interests of the United States of America and the pursuit of peace between Israel and the Palestinians. This is a long-overdue step to advance the peace process and to work towards a lasting agreement.
"Israel is a sovereign nation with the right like every other sovereign nation to determine its own capital. Acknowledging this as a fact is a necessary condition for achieving peace."

The peace he inspired...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/7/hamas-us-decision-on-jerusalem-is-a-war-declaration

[manjit]

Trump derangement syndrome: the total inability to comprehend and digest reality due to a blinding and irrational dislike of Donald Trump.

Unami - once again and for the umpteenth time, your suggestion that I think Trump will liberate Palestine is absurd, ridiculous and not only totally disconnected to anything I have written, it blatantly contradicts my clarification this is not the case. I cannot think of a better word than derangement for this obvious inability to deal with facts and reality.

Your clear cognitive dissonance towards what I am ACTUALLY saying and questions I'm asking is causing you to have some sort of mental seizure where you're stuck on me being a Trump supporter?

Regarding the embassy "info"... well done, I'm slow hand clapping 👏👏 you over here.

But if you're interested in reality, here's my own thoughts on that from October 2023 on this very forum:

"Of course. One is reminded of Trump's absolutely disgraceful - and fully in step with the US's history of unequivocal, biased and unjust support of Israel - act of moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. What an absolute fucking moron."
https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2023/10/religion-plays-a-large-role-in-the-horrible-hamas-israel-war.html?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e202c8d39d376a200c#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e202c8d39d376a200c

[umami]

manjit,
I have as much control over US foreign policy as you have over Prince William's sex schedule.

[umami]

manjit derangement syndrome. That's a thing too, I've noticed.

BUBBLE AND SQUEAK

[manjit]

Huh?

I thought we were discussing which candidate and their policies people were endorsing with their democratic vote, and you bring up an unelected slimeball relic of Britain's colonial past as some sort of equivalent situation?

I mean I know what's happening here, what with the immense cognitive dissonance at being unable to cope with the unarguable facts and arguments I've made and the inevitable irrational emotive lashing out, but at least try and maintain some sense of rationality here!

Ps Very witty manjit derangement syndrome quip, I'm sure!

[um]

>> If God and the supernatural are real, where's the evidence of them? <<

These days, on TV they report of many "treasure hunting", both on land and on sea.
Those that do it spend a lot of effort, money and time in it and above all they believe that their is a treasure to be found and that it can be found.

They have gained that "confidence" that makes them invest their best, by accepting, the study in libraries in old naval journals etc where the exact location might be etc etc

Not all expeditions are successful but some are.

Seeking God is is the same.

None of the "hunters" sitting in the bar with friends would ever say I will only hunt when you prove that it is there ...the whole bar would laugh their hearts out and some will say ..well than you have to spend the rest of your days in this bar, discussing what others do.

[s*]

My English is not so good ..but what I think to read what Manjit says here..I agree!!
JFK is good.
There is a lot to say in this period of time..
Difficult for me about politics and in English..

But...It is a dangerous time right now.
Very!!
...because there is too much of dark energy.
Better seek the good side..Love and Light
..also being aware and awake.._/\_

[um]

@ S*

https://www.deepl.com/nl/translator

In het vakje typen wat je wilt en rechts krijg je de vertaling.
Vertaling kopieren en plakken maar in the blog.

[s*]

um..
Maybe I´ll use that..
Maybe,.. because it is ´much´
But thank you _/\_