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September 09, 2024

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In simple words, "spirituality means lying to yourself". Which is naturally true.

At a seminar in 2010 at the Philosophisches Seminar Johannes Gutenberg-Universität Mainz, Metzinger laid the ground for his theory: - “Intellectual honesty means simply not being willing to lie to or fool oneself. Intellectual honesty, my esteemed ladies and gentlemen, is also exactly what representatives of organized religions and theologians of any type simply cannot have. Intellectual honesty means possessing an unconditional desire for truth and knowledge, even where self-knowledge is concerned and even where self-knowledge is not attended by pleasant feelings.”
And in Brian’s posting here from The Elephant and the Blind: - “Many of the spiritual movements that have developed in recent decades in Europe and the US have long lost their progressive impulse, and most sectors of spiritual counterculture seem already to have morphed into experience-based forms of privately organized religious delusion.” And: - “Intellectual honesty means not pretending to know or even pretending to be able to know the unknowable, while still having an unconditional will to truth and a commitment to the growth of knowledge, which includes being genuinely open to new scientific results.”

These observations of Metzinger’s seems to me to be very pertinent. There is a tendency to assign various psychological experiences as being spiritual – in the sense of being mystical or other worldly. But I’m sceptical as to whether Metzinger’s ‘intellectual honesty’ can be applied to those who experience such as quite often people do honestly believe they have experienced something real, something that proves to them that there are different dimensions other than the physical world.

Perhaps science can provide the answer where for example they can replicate such experiences in the laboratory and with certain drugs and ‘prove’ they are physically induced. But even so, recipients of mystical experiences would still maintain their experiences are being honestly reported.

In the meantime, people will still believe what they want (or are conditioned) to believe, regardless of scientific or philosophical statements and findings. Perhaps there is a way to break through the barriers of belief, maybe through honest insight, though the difficulty is that not only are we psychologically prone to accept beliefs (hopes), it is also a crucial attribute of our physical survival.

Great post, enjoyed it.

That was a lovely insight: that meditation, particularly insight meditation, leads to intellectual integrity; and the other way around, that intellectual integrity facilitates mindfulness meditation; with each feeding onto the other in a virtuous circle.

Beautiful! Never quite thought of it that way, that specific aspect of it, I mean to say. But agreed, absolutely.

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I’d add to that, if I may, that intellectual integrity is, additionally, an essential ingredient in properly making sense of one’s meditation, and also of oneself and the world; which latter also, IMV, is part of spirituality --- over and above the practice per se and the mindfulness per se. So that’s yet another way how intellectual integrity is indelibly linked to true spirituality.

Everyone here drives a car. Raise your hand if you think you're a good driver.

** Everyone raises their hand **

If you asked that question of every car driver in the US virtually all of them would be strongly of the opinion that they are good drivers.

And yet, there are 17,000 traffic accidents in the US. That's not per month, it's per DAY.

Virtually everyone at fault in those accidents would swear on his mother he was a good driver. Nobody thinks they're a bad driver.

By the same token, everyone on whatever side of whatever political or religious spectrum strongly believes his take on "truth" is thoroughly honest and rational.

It might surprise many people to learn that science is not the bastion of unimpeachable "truth." A scientist will never tell you what truth is. He can't, for he knows that in absolute terms, there is no such thing as "truth." There is only probability.

A scientist will tell you that in absolute terms, there's no absolute certainty that 1 + 1 = 2. I didn't make that up. Philosophers cannot agree on whether mathematical objects exist or are pure fictions.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-mathematical-world-real/

I find that rather humbling. It seems to point to what Katagiri Roshi is supposed to have said:

"Whatever you think or say about anything, it's at best only half correct."

It also seems to point to a doorway to acceptance for those who differ with us in religious and political matters: Everyone thinks they have good and abundant reasons why their opinions are correct, are truth.

This guy nails what RS failed to do. Watch this youtube video and learn what meditation is really for- Phaser Episode One

Do you think you’re a little obsessed?

@Jim.
Please provide video link
Thanks

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