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September 12, 2024

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New Drama begins...

There it is ladies and gentlemen, another bombshell. Gill went up on a state and (gasped) looked at people. This means that RSSB lied and Gill isn't just an administrator. This would not be the case had GSD been on the stage as well. That's because the theological rules are crystal clear: If the guru comes out on stage *with* the person he says shall succeed him upon death, then this means that the successor in waiting hasn't yet succeeded. However, if that successor in waiting *does* come out on a stage without the current guru, then this is a clear message to the worldwide sangat that the successor in waiting is actually the current guru, or that there are now 2 current gurus. In any case, it's prima facie evidence that the current guru lied to the sangat about the successor in waiting to be strictly an "administrator," a proclamation that's found..er...not sure where that proclamation is. Enough nonsense, everyone gets the point.

Gee, this Gill guy is sure getting a hard time here. Last week he was accused of being one of the principle parties at Ranbaxy who fiddled with their quality control.

Surely Tony White is working hard to corroborate his accusation against Gill. I wonder if has he contacted Katherine Eban or Dinesh Thakur.

Contacting Eban would be good, but seems to me that Thakur would be even better. Thakur worked at Ranbaxy and was deeply involved in pharma reform there. If anyone has input on Gill's involvement at Ranbaxy surely Thakur does.

Thakur can be contacted here:

https://dineshthakur.com/about-2/

Ask him about Gill. Maybe you'll find out that it was Gill, the young administrative assistant, and not Malvinder who screwed up Ranbaxy. If you're not content to just wildly speculate the worst about someone's integrity and leave it at that.

Thakur wasn't there when Gill arrived at Ranbaxy. If you read, 'Bottle of Lies' you will find out everything about Malvinder which will leave absolutely no room for doubt or speculation.
Everyone knew what was going on, it's all in the book.

sant64, the RSSB secretary said that Gill would attend satsang with Dhillon, the current guru. That didn't happen, according to the WhatsApp message. Gill was at a satsang all by himself. So this is why the person who sent the message said that RSSB has two gurus now. It wasn't me that made that claim, it was someone who attended the Gill-only satsang.

Here's an excerpt from a news story that I quoted from in a previous post:
https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2024/09/lets-make-sense-of-the-strange-rssb-guru-succession-episode.html
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Devender Kumar Sikri, secretary of the RSSB, said Gill would eventually be the Sant Satguru and will then have the authority of bestowing ‘Naam Daan’. “Till then, he will remain in attendance with Babaji (Dhillon) for the scheduled satsangs,” he said.

Or possibly darshan is actually mass hypnosis done by anyone with enough power of suggestion .

Huzur, Maharaj, Babaji all these words these people throw around hold no meaning. How easily they put Huzur in front any name without merit, its kind of dissapointing.

@ Donald
If you realy want to know how mass hypnosis works have a look at this video
It is refreshing ...hahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ftTzHE6jXo

More news. Dera Beas reorganized it's chapter in Inida and neighboring country.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/dera-beas-reorganises-its-chapters-101726166503289.html

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UM
I had a friend working for the US army
as a mass hypnotiser
He said hypnose is impossible than by auto hypnose
Everybody who come to attend will

he died recently
After discussing some I believe now that
hypnose is integrated in evolution for a direct connection our other levels of consciousness
and what normally happens is all a kind of miss-use
Brian will agree.
But that doesn't t take away one on a million REAL CONNECTIONS

As I proposed : Jill = Sawan but He doesn t know
and much stronger
But GSD has seen it - will not tell !
Read my lips

This like Kabir who sought Dharshan from a disciple
Nice to see this happening

777


Something went wrong
I wrote - I guess - what I shouldn't t say
and it was wiped
OK
Love U all

A Simple check to see if someone is a Sat Guru :
While observing His Darshan Dhyan
our consciousness at the 3rd eye level starts to itsce
and will °° elevate to the highest point of your body./ vibrate
This can go slowly
or as flash, increasing up to you can t hardly bear,
That(s why u see many close their eyes
the equivalent of using breaks in a car somewhat
I don t think one has to be initiated but I m sure
the 5 words serve also as regulators .

This is analogue to to story of
the high hatha yogi with 40 000 disciples
asking Sawan :"Let me see a tiny part of what U'r offering.
The man felt unconsciousness - he had no regulators
See the words as a kind of diodes each adapted
at one of the 5 Frequencies of consciousness that can be attained
My 2 cts

In the same way Gurus can have Dharshan from each other

This works even at great distances

777

@ 777

>> A Simple check to see if someone is a Sat Guru :
While observing His Darshan Dhyan our consciousness at the 3rd eye level starts to itsce and will °° elevate to the highest point of your body./ vibrate<<

That might well be an correct observation of what happens to you, but to write it down in a form that suggests, it happens to others, where others van be any number, is wrong, as the one that writes this has never had that experience or anything that remotely resembles what you wrote, nor any of the persons he came to know in the many years he was associated with this tradition, and sat several times in an conversation with the late MCS, eye to eye.

Hahahaha ... in one of these interviews he deeply sighed and said ..Why are you not more receptive.

Yes I also do believe that someone walked on water and yes I also believe that it is possible and yes I am not at all interested and or impressed but I do certainly know that it is something that is not available for many ..where many can be any number.

Anyway, . . you got the idea
If U like it, . . just ask 4 it

We can do a poll here

777

We had a Maroccan Lady here who helped cleaning
The second day
she said : "Who is that Mullah at the wall"
" JE PENSE QU A CA"

SO THE ITCHING TAKES MANY FORMS

777

@ 777

There is nothing wrong with you having these experiences.
The point is what you do with these experiences in the public domain.

I can't repeat it not often enough or to use his words "the mind needs a lot of hammering" that|:

Things [ experiences] are what they are
seldom what they look like [or are understood]

and ... many mystics, in different traditions had something to say about these inner experiences ...some went even that far as to label them as the prostitutes of the path.

Anyway that is up to you as you have these experiences and you are the one that has to give meaning and value to them,, and bear the consequences thereof.

let alone how they are presented or made to be seen in the public domain.

@um
Without reference to 777 whose comments I have not read, I wholeheartedly agree with you about experiences. The worst is to allow the mind to create visions which it does very easily out of the akash before the eyes below the Agni Chakra in Pind rather like higher dream states. I believe it is important to reject everything which is not divine, do not stray from the light into vision if one is fortunate enough to see it. I read that the light of the mind below Sahansdal Kanwal contains desires and rather than becoming bored with that lower light, bear in mind that just looking at it burns that light with the desires up. It sound a likely fact. Masters do give us hints from time to time to help sustain the long, often depressing boring work of drilling through the darkness of karmas as we burrow thorough them them up in meditation. I feel it is very important to study in particular Soamiji's and Tulsi Sahab's poetry to identify what to avoid on the upward journey. Our real joy should be in the fixed Darshan points of the Satguru within while also observing those particular markers that cannot be avoided and which alone denote the stages. I saw a letter to the Great Master from a gentleman proudly boasting that he had fully explored the length and breath of Sahansdal Kanwal, commenting on the architecture of buildings and so on. this the ultimate waste. Surely the point should be to ignore as much as possible and prioritise the ascent to reach the goal with least delay. Of course as a beginner I can only speculate if one can actually make such decisions within or whether the decision making ability of the mind is actually asleep at that point. All my studies may be in vain, if so but I hope the intention to remain Guru focussed will remain at that time when I am lucky enough to enter those realms.

You are getting darshan from a fake ass crook , the character of kaal, who himself is initiating you into a satanic mantra. The first word is jot nirunjan, light of the devil, the light bringer, Lucifer. The last name is satnam (similar to satan). Its simple, you are worshipping the devil , the path of the masters is the path on a journey to Lucifer - the wanna be fake god who wants to be higher than god. Jaspreet and gurinder are both clueless clowns, who literally know nothing about god way because they are the masters of kaal who wants them to manipulate and confuse and blind sangat.

@Chiroo
I have written already 4 answers and deleted them before sending, Although I stand behind what I wanted to write, I realize that I should not do it. These things can be better put before you by a person you can see in the eyes when talking.

That said the following sentence brought back to my memory a thing he often said:

>> Of course as a beginner I can only speculate if one can actually make such decisions within or whether the decision making ability of the mind is actually asleep at that point. <<

You are not allowed to strain that far away that you cannot be brought back to the path
and
It is all in his hands.

Blessed are those that can believe, the simple of heart and not "blessed" with an analitcal [western] mind

@Kranvir.
The point is not to worship the deities but to know where you are on the upward ascent. That is why the panch nam naming the ruler of each stage is so useful. It is about knowing where you are and how to pass through it with the help of your Satguru who is aiding you. You still have the free will to give in to distractions on the way but knowing the stages assists you to only travel the necessary path and not get sidelined into attractons. If you want to go to Delhi from London it is best to know that you have to change to a different flight at Frankfurt. That is no endorsement of the city itself. As to Gurinder it is my belief he is only a manager as Maharaj Charan Singh IMO had no worthy successor but had to keep the institution going for the sake of dependents. As that institution declines real seekers will not be attracted and there seems to be evidence that Maharaji's Western disciples largely rejecting Gurinder and left the RSSB institution, a natural and more kind and more safe process than an immediate shutdown. As Kabir was told by Kal "Ok then, set up your satsang but one day when it is fat, overblown, rich like a cow ready for slaughter I will take it and I will wear a Turban bigger than yours!" Nevertheless Maharaji honors and takes care of all those given Nam by Gurinder, just as Baba Sawan Singh honours all those intitiated by Kirpal Singh and his offshoots.

@ Chiro

Just find out what the different masters said at the onset of their service.
The last one said that if plants get to much sun and water etc the grow to fast and they cannot uphold themselves and he said that the community was like that plant.
And lo and behold ..what happened?? .... in Europe the growth of the sangat almost came to a still stand.and most people that frequent the gatherings are immigrated Indians.

Mind you .. more europeans, americans etc would mean, more visitors, more buildings more housing for sevadars etc etc. and the place is already for decades screaming for every yard of land to expand.

@um "And lo and behold ..what happened?? .... in Europe the growth of the sangat almost came to a still stand and most people that frequent the gatherings are immigrated Indians." Why? because of Gurinder's vicious, brutal and despotic attack on the Western sangats after his appointment. Maharaji respected the right of countries to their native people, He often told the story of the Indian child stolen for adoption abroad and how when it found it was Indian deserted even his wife and children to return to India. Maharaji had an English representative in England, a German in Germany and so one. Gurinder the Shaitan demolished every single Western sangat and handed it over to Indian immigrant control, if possible by his own family members or perhaps a Western crony of his here and there. RSSB is now an Indian organisation in which Western disciples, if they are foolish enough to subscribe to it, are second class citizens in RSSB. Look at the endless stream of mainly junk videos emanating from RSSB commentators and the official videos of Gurinder himself, for example Modi's electioneering visit (which MCS would have been totally against!). Have you ever seen a Western face in any of them? In my country every single Western disciple left RSSB over Gurinder's appalling behaviour, his seeming allergy to giving satsang, his rich list lifestyle in the former mansions of the Duke of Bedford in England, holidays on beaches full of semi-naked women and the rivers of Bani drying up from the Dera. It is shocking to hear he sits on the stage while a preacher does his job for him. You call yourself a Guru when you can't even give Satsang? I could go on. In the immortal words of James Bean on RSSB "Into the mouth of Kal!"

@ Chiro

It pains me to read how the events after 1990 have affected you.

It is in my DNA, education, fate or whatever that if something was not to my liking or understanding, to just turn my back on it and walk away.

Personally I had the most problems with the change in atmosphere in the community, the newly chosen sevadars and the way how they comported themselves. I jokingly made the comparison with what happened in the movie "The last emperor" . In that movie the colorful charismatic mandarins etc are replaced by "apparatchiks" all dressed up in green uniforms.

My personality is such that it does not fits well in such an uniform

That said .. china has developed into a modern state ... hahahaha

@ Chiro

I have been a close witness of the birth and growth of Sant Mat in Europe and mdo remember it with great pleasure and gratituded as it it has enriched my life in great measure.

Being part of it I came to into contact with so many people, idea's etc etc I never had any knowledge of.before.

As much as spirituality etc is part oif the daily life in India so few it was in the world I grew up. Divine matters so to say were the affairs of the priests.

Tn some very small niches there was knowledge about theosophy, Rosicrucians, free masonerty but the public at large had no knowledge about it .. they would not even read the Bible ...they would go to church and do some prayer for the welfare of themselves and those near and dear.

Hahaha most parts of the world beyond your own country and europe was still a part of the world were only explorers would go and missionaries to bring the good news ....hahaha

How much has changed over time.

@ Chiro

As I wrote, by nature and/or education, from childhood on people were never criticized at home ... nor praised either ...we did mind our own biussiness , so to say

Later I was advised by the late MCS ..to perform my roles in life without getting emotionally involved in those ties or the persons involved.

That advice to me many years to properly understand, appreciate its meaning an value and incorporate it in my own life ... but .. it was not that simple to say the least ... hahaha ... much coffee had to be ingested and many a "cam down" admonishment from my dear late friend ..by nature i have endowed with an fiery mind

Then I imbued the many stories Maharaj Ji would tell and how he dealt with criticism and how he advised people ... all against the background of karma

So I never spoke a word pro or contra anybody that occupied the role of guru and found it to be in my own best interest to do so. That said I never had problems in sharing what my personal feelings and thoughts were into these gurus as they just would say something of me and how I look into the world.

He said never to speak badly about anybody certainly not that were seen as gurus, saints or whatever and if one had to, one better spoke ill of one's mother so that one's good karma could flow to her ... hahaha

Whether these [indian] things are true or not doesn't matter much but psychological seen what he said was of great educational value as to how walk through life.

I know .. the path of the saints is not meant for these things but that is just what I got from it.

@ Chiro

And to finish my reaction:

Having come to ingest the teachings of the Saints by means of this particular practice and teaching and trying to live by it ..trying !!! .... I came to understand that facts can be attributed many different meanings and values as scientificaly is discussed by people like Metzinger in his work of the blind and the elefant.

Not only from outside or inside can be differently belooked upon these facts you write about but on both sides there too are great differences.

I want to be fair to you and honor your straight forward expression of your thoughts and feelings, and I have no problem to back them up but for my own well being I have chosen to stand back and have everything unfold by itself.

Even from within the narrative itself what is unfolding can have an complete other meaning and value... I can look no further than my own interest but it is quite possible that whatever is unfolding there, in the longer runh, is the best for all,

Maharaji used to say often if there is something in the congregation that irks you than don't go there. Association with others etc can be of great help but if it is not by all means do not go there ... to live a sant mat way of live nobody and nothing uis needed

Again there is nothing wrong with what you see and write. it is just a matter of how to handle it that can be different from person to person.

@um
Before I answer your last I am posting the response to one of your previous posts which I was composing as you were composing your post above:
"Blessed are those that can believe, the simple of heart and not "blessed" with an analytical [western] mind."
Yes, I want to tell you of the origin of the 'Western Mind' as we know it today. Its birth was a reaction to Catholicism, a Catholicism which despite all its faults was full of love and devotion, both of those qualities were banned by the second Vatican Council in which the title 'Church of God' was retitled 'Church Of The World.' How did this ‘Western Mind’ in this context arise? It arose through early largely hidden and subversive Semitic attacks on the church of the kind which created most of our isms; Liberalism, Freemasonry, Communism, Zionism, Marxism, Atheism, Cultural Marxism, Feminism, Bio-Leninism, and most recently Wokeness, so-called human rights and more. Some of it a reaction to Church persecution of what it decided were heretics, but in the main it was and still is fundamentally a war against God. As the understanding of what the Christian West calls Satan, or that aspect of Kal, does not exist in Indian spirituality, it needs a little understanding of the Western consciousness to grasp how the road to ruin started, and why it has brought down all the Catholic countries, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal’s spirituality; Ireland just in the last couple of decades. How within probably the next twenty years Indian spirituality will be destroyed on the mass scale which you were privileged to enjoy in your youth. A holy nation which produced men fit to become true Masters, to be replaced with what became after the war against God was won (Nietzsche, ‘God is Dead!”) Western materialism. The infection spreads fast especially through technology including pornography. My mother once said "If men go bad it is not necessarily a loss for a civilisation, but if women go bad that civilisation will collapse because they raise the children. That is what we are now seeing in India as the Sari is rejected for jeans, feminism is becoming rampant, and men and the family are being undermined by ‘Modern progressive thinking and Women’s rights’ (something Gurinder’s Dera is campaigning for). A book on this non-spiritual subject is actually included in the RSSB book list." So I offer this video by a friend of mine of the collapse from a Western spiritual perspective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDU4tkSuclo
The infection is spreading fast within Western and educated Indian circles as we speak inside sant Mat. To such a mind the teachings of the Sants, especially Tulsi Sahab and Soamiji Maharaj are unacceptable, primitive, 15th century thinking. This movement rife in the universities rejects the notion of the existence of God, spiritual regions, lords of those regions. The notion that there is a Kal bhagwan, with an individual soul and an individual being. I predict that the birth of the new atheism will come out of the western intellectuals and academics, European and Indian educated, of the Radha Soami Tradition. These thinkers want to drag Sant Mat towards such western understandings as the existence of powers and levels of consciousness rather than of divine beings and spiritual regions. Everything they don’t like can be explained away as delusions and auto-suggestion. So one wonders if a satsangi from Outer Mongolia in their meditation observes a known landmark within, or a being for example like Saraswati or Lakshmi, or if they are dozing off Shakti at the throat center, figures that they had not personally even have heard of before, that no one suggested to them, and they had not or read about, how will the new thinkers explain that? They will say but everything below a certain stage is illusion, but then the door infront of them is also illusion, but they can admit to seeing it. Of course the new atheism will have a substantial claim that the ultimate Radhsoami is formless and a power, not a being. But there is the conundrum that both Tulsi and Soamiji claimed to have done puja and arti at the feet of something called Radhasoami. There is a difference between story telling and lies. We know stories are fiction, but if stated events, structures like crystal palaces, or divine beings which the Sants have claimed to see within like Sat Purush are not true, that makes the Sants liars. Anyway, imo the problem with the central tenet of modern Western thinking is that the deconstruction of everything leads inevitably to the existence of one big black hole of nothing.

@chico , don't take this personally , but your totally brainwashed into the rssb garbage, that even gurinder, the villain doesn't even believe. Your in his spell, and can't see beyond the walls that rssb has put around you. Even gurinder himself, surprisingly, said burn all the rssb books . You been sold a story and given a false promise and no one is coming to save you at death. Why do you think gurinder, the light demon, comes so readily to take you back to the belly of the beast? Ask yourself what you are doing here right now, and why are you here back in this hell planet ? You were mislead by entities who said they would help you , but took full advantage, and fed you false beliefs and lies. Give up rssb shitty beliefs and live your own life, enjoy, and love your real family , not the fake brothers and sisters in rssb who have egos nearly as big as that crook gurinder and jaspreet.

@ Chiro

I am exhausted after having listened to the exposition in the video.
It was a barrage of words, concepts. Spoken in an other language and heavily accented made quite some work.

I feel that I managed to grasp the central theme that runs through it like a red wire.

It is so much, so quick that i am knocked out and not able to frame even the beginning of an reaction.

I am not used to focus on powers, real or unreal, ruling the universe. As the son of an farmers son, i am raised to focus on what is available in the world close to the place where we live .. physically, mentally, philosophically spiritually farmers life.

I have to see if what I heard can be digested and brought down to that simple level so that i can have a closer look on it.

I really deserve a good cup of coffee now

@um "Even from within the narrative itself what is unfolding can have an complete other meaning and value... I can look no further than my own interest but it is quite possible that whatever is unfolding there, in the longer run, is the best for all."
Absolutely, imo Gurinder is carrying out the work assigned to him by his Satguru and doing so with a great success. Faced with the Mauj of Sat Purush denying Him a successor, and Kal calling in his cards on the deal he originally made with Kabir "Ok then, start your satsang, but when it is overblown and rich and fat like a cow ready for slaughter I will take it, and I will wear a turban bigger than yours!" Maharaji had no choice but to allow events to unfold. We now have Kal's man doing Kal's work (and still with the guarantee as an initiate of reaching Radhasoami Dham and complete spiritual liberation) while at the same time carrying out the will of his Master to destroy the RSSB, but slowly enough for all the surviving dependent pensioner sewadars of Great Master, Sardar Bahadur and Maharji Himself to die off in comfort and peace with a roof over their heads. And the bonus being that he is creating an ashram that no true seeker in their right mind would have anything to do with, ergo they are all seeking elsewhere leaving RSSB to a generation of up and coming migratory, materialistic Indians flying in vast waves like locusts to feed on the dying carcass of the West. All this only increases my faith in Maharaji.

@ Chiro

As I wrote in the other post just a moment ago the transformation will not be digested by all in the same way.

Those that enjoyed what I call the charismatic rule of the mandarins, will not be happy to say the least and others that in their perception "suffered" under that rule or could not spread their wings their way, are happy now

Again, seen from within the narrative, what is unfolding is what you describe ..BUT ... that need not to be the case ... it can well be something else.

For that reason, I do not want to jump to any conclusion and wait to see how things develop.

Life in society and culture worldwide is changing at a rapid rate and without it being clear what the forces are that create these tsunamis.

Within the circle of near and dear I compare it with a cinema in fire or one were some one just jelled "fire". In those situations the best and first thing to do is to stay out ow the way of the masses. Stand with the back to the closest wall in order not to be tremble by the masses in stampede.

What is going on with religions in general and spiritual movements in particular is just part of what is going on

@CHIRO

It just came to my mind that even the late MCS and his predecessors were surrounded by the elite of those day ..the OLD MONEY.

I do not know how it is everywhere but the old money had generations to grow slowly and find ways how to deal with it. What created the OLD ORDER

We live in the time of the "NOUVEAU RICHE" the new elite, the new rich and they lhave not get found ways to properly deal with their wealth so they tend to run around like peacocks

Thw succesor of the late MCS , a man of his time, has surrounded himself with the new "Nobility" ...being the CEO's of companies etc

hahaha ,,, the new kings, dukes, earls etc from silico valley etc etc etc.

GSD is tired.

GURINDER SINGH DHILLON IS FINISHED EXPOSED, RIDDICULED AND EMBARRASSED.

HE HAD NO OPTION BUT TO GO BEFORE THE RADHA SOAMI CULT WAS TOTALLY DESTROYED FOREVER.

THAT SAID ANOTHER NEW NUTJOB HAS NOW BEEN GIVEN THE JOB JASSDEEP SINGH ANOTHER BABA WHO NOW WANTS TO PLAY GOD MAN.

DOESN'T GET ANY LOONIER, COME ON WAKE UP STOP FOLLOWING THESES CLOWNS

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