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Harding does indeed seem to be trying to align his insights with his earlier Christian indoctrination. He seems to be trying to align ‘emptiness’ with what he calls the five characteristics of God. It sounds like hard work to me and totally unnecessary to define and pigeon-hole such experiences (what Metzinger calls ‘pure awareness’ and what others term ‘what is’, ‘the present moment’ etc.)

It’s must be quite difficult though and tempting to want to name and define any sublime experiences, more so if there is a desire to communicate them. Saying that, I can understand the Buddhist’s main impetus – to help alleviate suffering – but even that needs some honest self-enquiry.

With all this I believe/think it often comes down to words. Using words, which after all are merely tools to explain thoughts and concepts to explain what is – the unexplainable. It’s easy to get attached to words and to end up with taking words to represent reality. They also seem to carry an emotional content such as when we here (or think) of the name of our religion or country for example that can evoke strong feelings.

Perhaps then, words, or rather the concepts they try to convey, need to be subjected to awareness, to be taken notice of before (if it’s not too late), they form pseudo-realties that are merely a series of mind-made constructs – and which we end up believing to be the truth.

"Harding neglects to mention that God also is considered by major world religions to be omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent -- qualities that definitely don't apply to human consciousness, since he only focused on those that match up with how our limited consciousness appears to us."

Guess who else is tacitly arguing that some kind of God may exist? Anyone who calls themselves a Buddhist. "But Buddhism rejects God!" atheist Buddhists exclaim. But go read the very first Buddhist sutta, the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta. There's no way to read it but to conclude that the very point of the Buddhist path is that it's a path to "the deathless." Implicit in that path is the survival of some kind of self that takes birth and takes birth again. Disagree? Tell us then what "deathless" meant. And what did "Once Returner" mean, if not survival of some kind of self and reincarnation? That's in the sutta as well.

If the Buddha and his followers weren't seeking life after death, precisely just were they on about? "They were just trying to be better human beings." Seriously? All that austerity, for trying to be a better human? Let's not get lost in terms. The Buddhist is no different from the Christian. Both seek salvation and harmony with the order of the universe -- an order they have a personal and enduring stake in.

You can't even abide D. Harding's meek personal ideas of theism? Gee whiz. Pot, kettle Mr. Buddhist. Until you come up with a better and more consistent argument, it might be time to stop telling us that believers in the transcendent irritate you. You clearly believe in the transcendent yourself, for the same motivations as the believer in a personal God. You're no better, no wiser than they are. And it's time to get over the word God. Begin by taking a hard look at why that word irks you so much. Own up to the fact that even the goofiest religions have produced societies of admirable order and charity (go hang out with some Mormons if you don't believe it).

Sant64. Just to point out that the whole gist of the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta is to do with Setting the Wheel of Dhamma in Motion. That is, the Buddhas teaching of the eightfold path and the cessation of suffering.

The Buddha has set the Wheel of Dhamma in Motion (so the sutra goes). “At Varanasi, in the Game Refuge at Isipatana, the Blessed One has set in motion the unexcelled Wheel of Dhamma that cannot be stopped by brahman or contemplative, deva, Mara, or God or anyone at all in the cosmos."

It is more likely that it means the whole Indian cosmological way of thinking and believing in the deva’s Mara, God etc. that the Buddha’s Dhamma put an end to. It just superseded the old belief systems rather than disposing any actual or real supernatural entities. After all, one of the chief causes of suffering is belief, a major source of dissent and separation.

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