Anyone have opinions on the Soami Bagh line of gurus?

I've communicated via email with someone who had questions about Radha Soami Satsang Beas, the organization I was a member of for 35 years. Now this person is wondering if any visitors to this blog have an opinion about the Soami Bagh branch of Radha Soami.

Below is part of what they said to me. Leave a comment on this post if you have some experience with Soami Bagh.

I've become a Radha Soami skeptic, but for those who aren't, I just noticed that the Soami Bagh web site has some interesting books and other publications available online. Like, the Phelps Notes, which if I recall correctly, was viewed as sort of an underground, "forbidden fruit" book by Radha Soami Satsang Beas. Naturally I had a copy, but gave it away at some point.

Can you please put a post up on your blog asking others what sort of experiences that they have had with the Soami Bagh branch of Radha Soami, the so-called parent line?

 

As I have previously mentioned, I am still holding out some hope that there may be a real Sant Sat Guru someplace. But before I go trekking all the way to India, I was curious to hear from some others who may have already gone to Soami Bagh before me.

 

And just so that I am clear, I am asking specifically about the Soami Bagh line. And not the Dayal Bagh line. The Dayal Bagh line is much bigger, but I do not feel any draw towards them.

Comments

[Appreciative Reader]

This is at a tangent from what this thread's about, but I clicked on your Phelps Notes link, and found what, a decade or two ago, would have looked to me like an actual treasure trove; and that even now comes across as a very interesting read!

So far I've not actually started reading the book itself, only glanced through the index. Right near the top there's a chapter titled "Absurdity of the proposition that the Lord is undifferentiated". That cracked me up, as I pictured poor "Babuji Maharaj" sitting there earnestly dictating this tripe, and poor Myron Phelps sitting there earnestly taking it all down, both of them completely oblivious to the absurdity of the absurdity of the proposition that the Lord is undifferentiated.

But that hilarity apart, absolutely, I'm looking forward to reading this book, and not just to laugh at it. Like I said, a decade or two ago I'd have leapt at the book in unvarnished enthusiasm, just as earnestly and just as taken with this gobbledygook as Babuji Maharaj and Myron Phelps; and even today I'm genuinely interested in the content of it.

Bookmarked for later on when I'm free. Thanks for the link, Brian.

[um]

Education, any form of education, practice is a matter of many different aspects, quantitative,qualitative and others. It is a matter of calling, talent, dedication and many others.

Education is a hierarchical, pyramidal stricture ..many are called [ to function at the base] but few are chosen [ to stand on the very top of the pyramid]

So .. many can frequent high school, some can go to the university.. Not everybody can go to all the universities and within an university not all are allowed to develop their academical talent with the preceding "Einstein,"

To study with and under the direct tutorship of this or that genius is not available for all
even if one has all the qualifications for being a "perfect student" one is not accepted as student.

Sant Mat, in practice and education, is a as that pyramid.

And ... the higher one goes the risks of falling and the consequences of falling are greater ..wrong practice can damage the body and the mind, the eyes and even the brain. ...as by Faqirchand Maharaj in his "NAM DAAN" = initiation / booklet being downloadable on the internet.

Or in my own words .. not all are fitted to eat at the tabnle of a great chef.

Faqir chand writes that one should find peace of mind in the association with a saint ...or ... one should leave a tble with the feeling of satisfaction. Some do themselves more pleasure with eating an hamburger than eatin at the famous NOMA .

And ... finally there are some that love to read and comment books on cooking etc.

[um]

https://manavtamandir.com/books/english/Nam-Dan.pdf

[sant64]

Not me, but perhaps send an email to James Bean, as he seems to be in the loop on this topic. There's also Prof. Daniel Gold, who I believe took initiation from a non-RSSB guru and has written several books on RS history.

https://asianstudies.cornell.edu/daniel-gold

Not Soami Bagh, but Dayal Bagh. I found this exchange between Julian Johnson and a Dayal Bagh guru (who has the prose chops of an Oxford Don) very interesting and quite revealing.

https://medium.com/sant-mat-meditation-and-spirituality/a-letter-from-dr-1cd00c45ea56

[Appreciative Reader]

I started reading these Phelps Notes now, and did go through the first two chapters of it; before getting distracted by um's link to Faqir Chand's pamphlet, and sant64's link to those letters.

First about Phelps Notes, that brief portion of it that I read before moving on to those two other links: Certainly I expected that second chapter to be hilarious; and it was an added bonus to find that what Babuji Maharaj was channeling is Aquinas! Or at least, a variation of Aquinas. That’s beyond funny, that would-be reasonable-and-rational tone adopted in discussing whether the Lord is differentiated or undifferentiated! (To be fair, that’s no less hilarious than the unmitigated claptrap peddled by the RCC, or other stripes of Christian theology. Or, for that matter, the nonsense that is Aquinas’s defense itself, particularly when it is earnestly quoted in this day and age.)

I don't mean to be dismissive of this Phelps Notes book, though, despite that hilarity. It is everything I expected it to be. Like I said, the callow young me of 15 years ago would have been overjoyed to find something like this, and approached it very eagerly and very earnestly, reverently even. For that matter, the me of 8 to 10 years ago also would have been far more diffident about dismissing any of this, even despite my increasingly skeptical outlook at that time. And even now, it's a complete treat to be reading this book: except, it's all so hilariously fictive, so completely unsupported by the smallest bit of evidence, all of these things that these men treated so very seriously.

I've used up the time I'd allotted for this book, thanks to um’s and sant64’s links; but I look forward to reading it some other time. I can see why this would be seen by many as precious "forbidden fruit". Thanks, once again, Brian, for making it freely available here.

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um, I glanced through your Faqir Chand link. Interesting reading. It's just a pamphlet, and doesn't really go into the tofu of his ideas and teachings, but interesting nevertheless.

Reminds me, there was an excellent Faqir Chand book I'd read one time, that I think was linked to here on Brian's blog. Either by Brian himself, or maybe by one of the commenters here. At least I think so, because I don't remember owning or otherwise handling an actual physical book written by or about him; and I don't see where else, other than here, I might have come across a soft copy of his book.

This one was far more lightweight than that, and the gist of it so much more easily and more quickly digested, particularly if one is already familiar with all of this. But thanks for the link, um, it was interesting.

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sant64, thanks, very much, for your link to those letters! They were exquisite! They made for very, very interesting reading.

I loved how they addressed in detail the two very different POVs abouthe principle of service as it applies to spiritual practice, as well as the technicalities of the specific inner passwords to the regions. Pity their exchange came to an end when it did, given Julian Johnson's brusque closing off of further discussion on this. I'd have loved to see how, over another one or two letters each, these two might have further built up their cases, and maybe argued to its logical end their disparate POVs on both those matters.

Lovely link, thanks for posting!

[um]

@ AR

It is an actual initiation into sant mat and it speaks about the requisites for the those that want to walk that path successfully.
In the meantime he speaks up about some issues related to Sant Mat guru's

It is in a way in the same genre as "The cloud of unknowing"
Which starts out with BEGGING the reader not to continue if he is not has a calling to do so.

You are right there is nothing or not much for you to be found there.

[Appreciative Reader]

Interesting, that, um. That he should ask people to do this only if they have a particular talent and knack for it.

That suggests that Faqir's de facto theology was very different than standard RSSB fare. Or even standard death-and-rebirth fare.

Because if you believe in life after death; and that that afterlife is crucially dependent on whether you meditate and whether you progress within: then you'll try your utmost, to the limits of whatever aptitude you may have. It's then a matter more urgent than anything else, and not something that is subject to whether or not you have talent, and to be kept away from if you haven't that aptitude and "calling".

So that, if as you say Faqir actively discouraged those lacking a calling for meditative practices from trying their best nevertheless; then that seems to suggest he did not believe these things. Very interesting, that.

(David Lane is kind of an expert on Faqir, isn't he. I mean he literally wrote the book about him and that Chandan Effect thing. He may be able to give to us his authoritative take on this, should he chance to see your post and mine here.)

[um]

@ AR

I have nothing to add to what I wrote.

[Appreciative Reader]

Didn't expect you to, um. Not unless you've extensively read about and researched Faqir Chand's theology and ideas and beliefs.

Just, that conclusion seems to follow, from what you say you've read in Faqir Chand's book. Which is very curious, for a Guru in that tradition with a whole lot of followers.

[Appreciative Reader]

That is, that would follow, provided Faqir Chand were always coherent and consistent and above all scrupulously accurate as well as honest in his utterances. Which he seems to be, given his frank admission to DL about the Chandian effect (as opposed to putting on an all-knowing pose).

(I don't think we need bother with any such detailed analyses and deductions about what someone like, say, GSD says, and even less the many other gurus and preachers that prey on the gullible for a living, and more. Much of what these types say can simply be dismissed as either whatever happens to be useful for them to say in the moment, or maybe simply random things simply not consistent with other stuff said earlier.)

I'm only idly curious about this, and see no need to go out of my way to follow up on this. Nor do you, clearly. But someone actually invested in what Faqir believed, in the context of what I'd said, could start with a detailed perusal of the text you had referenced, and then tried to check out more of his writings, his speeches, his words. ... But yeah, interesting, that, generally speaking.

[um]

@ AR
I do not understand what you write.

I almost finished Naam-Dan and I have no words to describe how I feel. I had that before and somewhat different when i read the anurag Sagar by Kabir ..the best way to point at what i felt then was to say that it seemed as if the book was alive..

On coming home , sometimes I make trumpet-like sounds in the hall and the stairway as the acoustic qualities are unprecedented ..the resonance, and vibration is sheer joy. It is not available elsewhere in the house. If I do make the same sounds there, they all are lifeless.

The whole of Sant Mat, and any other tradition, I personally feel is related to that quality.of resonance.

[Appreciative Reader]

Oh, didn't you understand that? I reread my comment just now, and it seems clearly spelt out. I don't see how I could make it clearer.

But no matter. That was just an unexpected facet to FC's beliefs, that seemed to follow from that remark you'd made. If you're really interested, you could try rereading that comment of mine (timestamped 12:43); and if you still don't get it then I'm happy to try to rephrase it for you. If you're really interested, that is.

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I appreciate that you found this book so inspiring, like you say now. Don't mind me, I wasn't being dismissive of the text. Just, if you're already familiar with this framework and with all of these ideas, then it comes across as just more of the same old. Nothing new really, provided you're already acquainted with this stuff. (I expect you'd have read it long ago, at a time when you didn't know much about traditions like these --- unlike now, when you do know a great deal? That might explain it.)

In any case, I've only generally browsed through the book, not digested every small detail of it. It's entirely possible that there may be specific nuggets there I may have missed. If you'd like to talk about any such specific, then do go ahead!

In general, though, I do appreciate how books like these can sometimes strike a deep chord, and inspire one by pointing at a higher reality beyond this mundane one, that we might grasp out at. I'm very familiar with the feeling. By all means cherish the feeling, and keep looking, if you like. I myself do, you know.

[um]

@
>> In general, though, I do appreciate how books like these can sometimes strike a deep chord,<<

That is the only thing that matters.

[Jim Sutherland]

@UM and other FC readers. I have read all, or most of FC’s books, as well as every Soamibagh book published in English. I had them all, but no longer have any left in paper. But with out going in to detail, FC did make it very obvious that the hallowed highest Spiritual Realm is RADHASOAMI, and all any one needs to do to access it, is to skip all the lower 5 Names and realms, and by just repeating the RADHASOAMI nam as Simran, we arrive there. But, he said , once arriving there, nothing is there. No Sound, Light or Forms. And in his letter to Ms. Bruce, who later became his last Wife, Julian Johnson argued that we need to climb the 5 lower stairs , first, one at a time, experiencing Lights, Sounds, Forms, in order to arrive to the Highest Spiritual Realm to obtain the Goal, and Reward of NOTHING!
I have discovered that is how it works many years ago. If any one followed the Meditation Tech. I posted here in the past, I shared that very same experience, i.e. after traveling through the forms, Lights and Sounds, we arrive at the Void that FC and Soamibagh Gurus identify as RADHASOAMI, or Anami. Charan Singh said that those 3 Realms above Sat Nam, or Sach Khand, were only “Sub Realms” of Sat Nam

[um]

@ Jim S.

>> I have discovered that is how it works many years ago.<<
That being the case = having traversed the path as laid out by Mah. Faq. Chand, you must be at PEACE ..with your self and the world around you.

Lucky you.

[Appreciative Reader]

"That is the only thing that matters."

Hahaha, no um, most assuredly it is not! That is, it is an important first step, sure. But then comes the very important question of finding specific route/s towards that end. And the equally crucial matter of a critical evaluation of those route/s. And, more fundamentally, a rigorous critical assessment of whether that higher reality beyond our mundane reality, that has so inspired us, is actually a thing. True seeking is a far more complex thing than merely getting inspired!

And in any case, we've once again ended up talking about completely random things, haven't we? Because this thing you're now discussing --- the primacy of the role of inspiration in the overall process of spiritual seeking and actualization --- is only tangentially related, if that, to what you'd originally said (Faqir Chand's exhortation to his followers to stop following him and to stop continuing with their practice, should they feel they don't have a calling for it), or to the specific inference about Faqir Chand that I drew from that observation of yours.

But it's cool. Although following your train of thought down these random jumps from subject to subject to tangentially related subject can make for somewhat disjointed discussion; but, in this case, each of these provide great food for thought, and I've enjoyed thinking and talking about each of them with you.

[Jim Sutherland]

@Um,…Well, we mostly all agree that we ALL , who are here now, started from Nothing. Once we left Nothing, we each have traveled different paths experiencing lots of different “some things.” So, in reality, according to the Sant Mat Path, every thing below RADHASOAMI Nothing, is Kal/Brahm/Time,…of Creation/Maya.
So, with that simple consideration, ignoring the reality of the Sant Mat Goal at arriving back to Nothingness,……have you ever have met another human being in this life who really desires to become Nothing, and plans to no longer exist? I haven’t.

[Karim W. Rahmaan]

"I've communicated via email with someone who had questions about Radha Soami Satsang Beas, the organization I was a member of for 35 years. Now this person is wondering if any visitors to this blog have an opinion about the Soami Bagh branch of Radha Soami."

Dear Email Seeker,

I've never personally been to Soami Bagh, nor have I ever been to Radha Soami Satsang Beas, or Dinod, nor Ruhani Satsang, etc., etc., and possibly 100,000 etcs.

But, I have done research on all the above. For you, since this is your search. I recommend you collect whatever information online to compare. Then if you need further information not found online, make your adventure to India for their originals.

One thing, I found Bagh also has a copy of Sar Bachan by the originator Swami Ji Shiv Seth Dayal.

Good luck!

[Sound Chaser]

Hello everyone!

I am the one who asked Brian to post this question about Soami Bagh.

First of all, a big THANK YOU to Brian for posting this for me! And a big THANK YOU to everyone who has responded thus far! Particularly those like Karim, and others who had some actual input about my question.

And all of the other comments, albeit not necessarily directly related to my question, have nevertheless been extremely interesting and informative.

And I plan to post a lot more here myself in the very near future.

And another big THANK YOU and shout out to Brian for allowing us all to have this space where we can freely and openly communicate about all of this. I absolutely LOVE the diversity of opinions on here!

Oh, and if anyone who has not already read "Discourses on Radhasoami Faith", by Misra Brahm Sankar, whom I believe was the third Sant Sat Guru in the Soami Bagh line, here is a link to an online version of it. It reminds me somewhat of "Path Of The Masters" but it has some very interesting technical details that I have never seen in any other of the RS and Sant Mat teachings. "Phelps Notes" and some of the other Soami Bagh literature talks about these same details. But I have never seen these details in any other Sant Mat or RS line.

And I am not necessarily saying that I agree with these details. My jury is still out about that. But I do find it interesting that in Soami Bagh, the so called parent line, it seems to be the only place that these details are mentioned, and talked about.

Enjoy!
https://archive.org/details/discoursesonradh00misruoft

And Kranvir, Trez, and Mike Williams, I would love to hear from all of you about Soami Bagh as well!

Thanks again everyone!
Sound Chaser

[smanwani]

It has become quite apparent and evident to me that Radha Soami and Gurinder are a sham. I'm sure all the other Radha Soami branches are as well and that they're all competing with each other for followers and money.

[um]

@ AR

If people like Mah. Faq. Chand and Shri Nisargadatta had done what you wrote in the first paragraph of the last message, they probably had not become the man we know now..

Their guru was the only thing that mattered to them.

[7.77]

A . . . SO EASY way to know S/HE is a true ONE :
Daily serendipities
or
SHE makes you see HER in ALL nature
or
Hear / BE The Sound at the 432Hz Root overtones
Have tremendous impossible to discuss revelations
or the best
BE THAT ONE

777

PS
She has great power walls at work

[777]

Power Walls
Mighty Firewalls activated when there is insufficient Love or HARM done

777

PS
Best trick is that S.HE is U in temporarely voluntary Amnesia
and always was U
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[Allsaints]

There is a saying in Punjabi, the vessels vary in size and colour, but they all have black bottom. This applies to all the religious gurus of India. All are the same.

[um]

@ Allsaints

https://www.google.com/search?q=mitti+ki+handi+amazon&sca_esv=9267af3241730e66&sca_upv=1&udm=2&biw=1024&bih=607&ei=Y3ysZsyQHd6Ai-gPldzSyAo&oq=amazon+handi&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiDGFtYXpvbiBoYW5kaSoCCAMyBxAAGIAEGBMyBxAAGIAEGBMyCBAAGBMYCBgeMggQABgTGAgYHjIIEAAYExgIGB5ImDtQAFgAcAF4AJABAJgBAKABAKoBALgBAcgBAJgCAaACEpgDAIgGAZIHATGgBwA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

For those that love to cook in it, they are very much appreciated ...and ..the blacker they become at the bottom the better ...but that is not what you intended to write here ...hahaha

[smf]

Oh dear https://youtu.be/d5VYBPb3d9c?si=pBTAYNFYmnwSAKcf these cults are endlesss

[H.C]

Call Rajiv, I think his name is Maheswari, he grew up at Soami Bagh and knows it all.

408-887-0214

[Sound Chaser]

Thank you H. C.!
But that appears to be a wrong number.
Do you possibly have another phone number, or perhaps some other contact info for Rajiv Maheswari?

Thanks in advance for your further assistance with this!

Sound Chaser

[Sound Chaser]

My Apologies H.C.!

That turned out to be the right phone number after all!

Thanks again!

Sound Chaser

[H.C.]

Sound Chaser, let us know what you find out.

[AlakhAgamAparAkaha]

Q: what sort of experiences has anyone had with the Soami Bagh branch of Radha Soami, the so-called parent line? As I have previously mentioned, I am still holding out some hope that there may be a real Sant Sat Guru someplace.
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A: The Soami bagh group has long held the view that as a matter of divine design any successor to a previous sant sat guru must be ascertained by developing one’s own spiritual fitness (parmathi bhag). Consequently imminently departing Soamibagh gurus only give out hints as to who their successor would be. In other words they didn’t openly declare or publically appoint anyone as their successor. The view then at Soamibagh is that the sangat themselves must endeavour to find and decide who is the succeeding sant sat guru. This they call ’interregnum’ (= ‘between reigns’).
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Consequently Salig Ram didn’t get widely accepted as the ’successor’ in Agra until about 1890 — which was TWELVE YEARS after the death of Shiv Dayal Singh. Even then it wasn’t unanimously understood or accepted what exactly his role was until after his own death: was he:
a.) the successor or b.) a representative, and just one among many.
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The CAC (Central Administrative Council) was set up at Soami Bagh by the person who most quickly became accepted to be Salig Ram’s succesor, viz. the highly educated son of a wealthy and esteemed Brahmin family of Varanasi academics, B.S. Misra. Misra created the CAC to combat the lack of cohesion of the fledgling RS religion due to the plethora of RS initiators. To name five there were: the Sadhu mahant at Soamibagh, Sanmukh Das; the first CAC President, Partap Singh (Chacha Ji); his youngest son Sudarshan Singh; a now unknown devotee called Chanan Singh (he initiated Bibi Rukko when she was living at Panni Gali and serving Radha Ji); and later Salig Ram and Jaimal Singh. (Salig Ram didn’t start initiating anyone until about 1885, seven years after Shiv Dayal’s death, and then not in Soami Bagh but in Allahabad.)
As an example of that lack of sangat cohesion, Salig Ram had written in August of 1895 in his fortnightly newsletter advice for the followers of the fledgling community who had been ’initiated’ by one of the many initiating devotees after the death of Shiv Dayal Singh.
Here is that advice.

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“INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE INITIATED.
For those who have been initiated by Sadhs and Satsangis.
1. Whosoever has a desire in his mind to meet the True Supreme Being and to attain perfect salvation, should, as far as possible, take initiation from the Sant Satguru or Sadh Guru and if he is not able to meet any of those, from a true devoted Satsangi of theirs, whether he is a family man or an ascetic (sadhu) and should begin to perform his practices and, accepting Merciful Radhaswami alone as his Deity, should increase his love for and faith in His Holy Feet. If he does so, Merciful Radhaswami would, in His Grace, establish his contact with the Sant Satguru or Sadh Guru at the appropriate time.
2. If a desire for seva' arises in his mind, he may lovingly engage himself in the seva of Sadhus and Satsangis of the Radhasoami Faith with his body and wealth, but he should surrender his mind to the Holy Feet of Merciful Radhaswami.
…if one has [not] been able to recognize the Sant Satguru… it is generally necessary and desirable for all Satsangis, whether they have been initiated by the Sant Satguru or by some Satsangi, that they should accept Merciful Radhasoami as the Supreme Being, Pefect, Munifiscent [= Param Purusha Puran Dhani] and should develop love for and faith in His Holy Feet and, by engendering faith and love in His Shabda Form, apply themselves eagerly to internal practices. It is only then that one can gradually recognize His Status. And, if the initiating person is the Sant Satguru, he would be able to know about His great glory and eminence and he would develop also love and faith for Him of the same intensity which he should have for the Real and Beloved Son of the Supreme Being Merciful Radhaswami.”

. . . . . . . . . . . .

After the deaths of B.S.Misra and Partap Singh there was a split with eventually M.P.Sinha in Soami Bagh and Anand Swarup in newly formed Dayal Bagh appearing to be the last gurus who had any genuine spiritual insight and internal elevation in the Agra sangats. (Though they were at logger heads over property rights and were involved in decades-long custody battle in the courts which required them to denounce all other lineages apart from their own as bogus pretenders.)
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CURRENT PERSONAGES REGARDED AS LIVING GURUS IN SOAMIBAGH
The descendants of Sant Das Maheswari believe he was a hidden ’interregnum’ sant sat guru. Thus there is currently believed to be a continuation of that ’line’ by a clique of Soami Bagh satsangis, but they do not say openly who he is. He is retired and lives in the south of India and visits Soamibagh for bhandaras and special occassions. I won’t say more than that about him. If you are interested I think you might have to trek to India, make enquiries and find those Soami Bagh satsangis who believe in and follow him. You will have to convince them you are a genuine seeker. But… First you will have to get permission to enter Soami Bagh, and the CAC who run it DO NOT recognise this ’lineage’ as authentic, so don’t mention it in your application. Alternatively you could write to the grandsons of S.D. Maheshwari. They have a website.
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Then there is the ”hidden” interregnum lineage descended from last officially recognised Soamibagh guru, M.P.Sinha’s son-in-law, Dr. Jatindra Nath Hazra. They also have a currently operating ’guru’ believed to be the bona fide sant satguru. They call themselves the ’Sat Guru Saran Nivas Trust’ and they have meetings near Soami Bagh. Their lving guru is named Ajit Kumar Seth (Malik Ji). But again, you need to know he is not recognised as genuine by the Soami Bagh authorities and their CAC.
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There are other cliques with whispered living gurus, but these two have the widest acceptance in Soamibagh.
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Then, the CAC ALSO give initiation, but they do so as acknowledged representatives of the Supreme Being Puran Dhani Radhswami. They give the instructions to seekers they consider to be deserving along the lines mentioned by Salig Ram in his 1894 circular. They give out the teachings as they understand them, plus the technique of surat shabd yoga. They do so as representatives of the Supreme Being Radhswami during what they regard as the now eight decades long interregnum.
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Finally, all these groups at Soami Bagh believe that Salig Ram discovered a unique reality that no-one had ever revealed before. That means NO-ONE! Not Jesus, not Kabir, not Rumi, not Nanak, not Dadu Dayal, not anyone! They consequently believe that singing the glories of this uniquely-fevealed, utterable, hindi-derived semantic (Radha Swami) and worshipping relics out of an attitude of humble subservience earns merit that will lead to grace being showered upon them.
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They also believe that Salig Ram alone of all Shiv Dayal’s disciples was fit to recognise this unique ’spiritual’ reality. That is: not Shiv Dayal’s parents, nor his wife (Radha Ji) nor any of his other devotee siblings (Sardho, Bindraban and Partap) nor any other of his disciples.
If you also believe all that then you will fit in well and you might find a hidden guru there who’s existence is a closely guarded secret.
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Good luck 🙂

[Sound Chaser]

Hello AlakhAgamAparAkaha!
I am Sound Chaser, the one who asked Brian to post the questions about Soami Bagh for me!
Thank you SO MUCH!
What you wrote was exceedingly helpful! And basically confirmed some things for me that I already had a strong feeling about!
Thank you so much again! :)

Sound Chaser