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April 06, 2023


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Stupid questions all and very honestly answered by you Brian. GBU.

Good and not so good questions, good and not so good answers. To wit:

"i) That it took you that long to understand that you made a mistake?"

This was a pertinent question, and you responded with a flippant non-answer. It's actually an extremely pertinent question to anyone who spent decades in a religion and chose to leave. Deep soul searching is required for anyone who was a member of RSSB for 35 years than then did a 180, beginning a new vocation of castigating everything about RSSB. Neither you nor Nietzsche surfer have ever even attempted to answer that question.

2) ii) "Or is the case simply that you are not worthy of becoming a (Spiritual Master) so your (Ego) made you set up this nonsense (Church)?"

Here the questioner poses a ridiculous accusation that, quite curiously, I've seen posed common by any number of fervent apologists of diverse religions -- "you left because you wanted to be the guru!" The idea here is that those who left or even those who question the religion are Lucifer, burning with envy of the guru and possessed with ambition to be the guru. Well, sometimes this is true (Kirpal Singh), but invariably it's just a vapid accusation.

3) "3. Finally can you confirm when you look into the (Mirror) do you see (Brian) or in the alternative you see (Brianna) perhaphs your have issues with your (Gender- identity); (Answer) Ooh, what a profound question. Whatever spiritual practice you have been engaging in clearly has elevated your consciousness to what appears to be a childish level."

I would agree this is a silly, a very insulting question. Yes, I fully agree. That is, I would agree if this question were posed to me. But given that the question is posed to someone who just last week said he fully supported the ideology of transsexualism, and that any obstruction of that ideology, even to children, even to children getting surgery and drugs, was "cruel," I have to wonder why Mr. H was clearly offended by the question. Wherein lies the offense? If one states the whole trans thing is perfectly normal, it must follow that being accused of being trans is no insult at all.

Hahaha .....How does he or she knows about this blog and what is going on here., in the first place?!

By now he or she should know, that once on this or that path it should be followed to the complete exclusion of everything else and that if the mind goes on reading here and there, the mind remains agitated, what is contra productive to the practice.

Hahahaha ... leave a path behind, have lots of coffee and birds in the garden and all these things become naturally clear as the sky.

How can one have time for what friends are doing or not when one has fallen in love>

Funny, funny ...these realizations ... for a seeker neither the teachings nor the teacher are important but his own determination and devotion to do something.

It cannot be said and repeated enough ... humans have the power to ATTRIBUTE meaning. The seeker or student should only be interested in THAT power as it generates the WILL to start,execute and finalize an practice.

Hahaha life is funny.

The writer of the email seems quite angry.

…and wasn’t Julian Johnson a Baptist preacher for most of his life before he joined RSSB and wrote Path of the Masters?

People change. That’s what people do.

Most people leave RSSB for one of two reasons; a) they have a falling out with the guru, or b) they find some of the teachings to be false in their personal experience.

Every faith, religion, cult, philosophy, and ideology in the world has had members leave. This is not unique to RS by any means. There’s nothing β€œspecial” about RS. It works for some and it doesn’t work for others. It is what it is. Some people are happy in RSSB. Some people find more joy elsewhere. That’s all fine and good. Hopefully we’re all happy where we are.

There is a serious issue with the followers of any 'organised community'

They identify with it as a separate entity.

So there are Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists, Radha Swamis, and so on.

As soon as that separate identity is created, the seeds of discord are sown.

The first step has been taken.

arguments, insults, fights, even physical violence, and killing is the next step.

What starts very innocently as a personal discovery of truth becomes something very ugly.

Take Guru Nanak as an example. His first revelation was when he was swimming, and then he appears to have disappeared for a few days.

His 'best friend', Mardana, thought he had drowned and called the local villagers.

Nanak appears a few days later. He has had a profound revelation.

if I am allowed to paraphrase, this is what Nanak realised and said.

There is only one thing in existence. I will call it 'true' or 'sat'
It is the real 'doer' of everything. because it is all that really exists
it is beyond the confines of time and space.
it is not born and therefore never dies.

it is realised with the grace of 'guru' - JAP (means contemplate on this)
etc etc etc

so then a bunch of people started repeating those words robotically.

now, some 500 years later, there are vast number of people who repeat these words,
with no understanding at all. They think it is 'spiritual'. They began to call themselves 'sikhs'.

On 11 November 1987, two of those 'sikhs' show a man called Maharaj Darshan Das, because he was a guru, and they thought they had done a heroic act. The guru was giving a satsang in Southall, UK at the time.

Now, from Nanak's personal revelation, we arrive at a murder, 500 years later.

Nanak even said "There is no Hindu. there is no Muslim" meaning we are humans.

Were the two men who killed Darshan Das followers of Nanak?

clearly not, but THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE, although they were mistaken.

It is the same with all religions are 'organised communities'

They are a million miles away from the the original purpose of that 'community'

Gurinder Singh, the current head of RSSB, never advises speaking ill of anyone.

He is very particular not to criticise or put anyone down. He says 'let others do it - if they choose - why should you do the same' He never condones name calling or any act of criticising others.
He says ' Live and let live' - let others make their own choices. It is their life.

Now this writer, cannot claim to be a follower of RSSB, anymore that the two men who shot Darshan Das can claims to be sikhs.

What starts off a simple expression of a personal revelation ends up as a religion.

far out.

@ Finally

>> Most people leave RSSB for one of two reasons;
a) they have a falling out with the guru, or
b) they find some of the teachings to be false in their personal experience.<<

These are the same reasons that SOME people use to turn their back upon their Religion after hearing that a clergy men or women, committed this or that unacceptable deed.

That is on the level of turning one's back upon democracy, presidency because the president, is found to misusing his office.

It is all projection

@ Osho

What you described about Nanak is what happens with all mystics they never started the religion that later is named after them etc.

And yes, these organisations, have their dualistic faces of good and bad

But Osho ..as one can not be "born" in a mystic path but only in a religion, one has to make a personal decision as to whether one does want to walk such an path or not. That decision, is made based upon personal reasons. One choose to walk such an path in order to ariive a a set personal goal and not to be part of an congregation .. at least I do hope so. If the compagny of the congregation becomes a source of frustration one can also walk alone .. why for heavens sake would one give up one's isht because of others?

That is on the level of turning one's back upon democracy, presidency because the president, is found to misusing his office.

It is all projection

Posted by: um | April 08, 2023 at 01:50 AM

You went too far. I do not equate leaving a religion with treason. Treason is the worst crime anyone can commit.

Good Lord!

@ Finally

Tell me in what sense did I go to far.

You can change your religion a hundred timesβ€”that’s between you and God.

But to turn your back on democracy is to stop caring about the welfare of humankind.

@ Finally

All right .. If you see it that way.

Brianna/Brian needs to answer all questions sent to him by me via e-mail to the Church of the Churchless (Leader) after all any one who (abuses) his position must be called out (πŸ€‘) he is indeed self appointed leader of the Church of the Churchless?

Comments about (Anger/religion) have no place in (Spiritual Teachings) so i would suggest audiance understand simple things such as (RSSB) is not any sort of religion in any shape or form.

See beloved present masters (You-Tube) spiritual (Questions and Answers).

All Brianna/Brian of the leader of churchless fools is doing is making money by pretending to be an (Alternative) school of thought in the form of (Devils Advocate) pity because he thinks the (Rule of Law) applies to (Morality)!

All the Churchless Church has to do is test the (Rule of Law) problem being they have no money?

Brianna/Brian was asked simple question previously last year but s/he failed to answer!

When s/he applied for (Sacred Initiation) did he have a (Gun to his Head)? IDENTIFY?

DID S/he then put pen to paper? and did -S/he give s/he signature?

OR is it the case there was indeed alternative dimensional space in play?

Can not the Churchless church leader and S/He followers answer the above and all subsequent E-Mails sent

Ask the Churchless Church leader to put them on blog and provide answers?🀩🀩🀩🀩

Finally at this stage those who have questions for (My BELOVED MASTER) should send them direct to my master;

Who will always be happy to provide Answers unlike (CHURCHLESS Leader Brianna/Brian)



To( haha)

1. Can you identify if you are a member of the churchless church? Before i respond to your comments and to all other commentators identify your stance such as are you in turn members of the Churchless Church or it just may be the case that it is the Churchless Church leader Brianna/Brian? πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡βš–οΈβš–οΈβš–οΈ

2. The commentator regarding (Darshan Das) needs to identify themselves were they one of his follwers? Before i make comment

3. As is the old saying (From chaos let me bring Order) because the Churchless church is indeed (All Husk no Kernal) 🀩🀩🀩

4. Can all commentators ensure they have full comprehension to subject matter such as (RSSB) is no Religion!!!

5. All questions to my (BELOVED Master) Should be sent to my Master and he will in turn happily provide answers unlike the leader of the Churchless church Brianna/brian.

6. The Churchless Church leader Brianna/Brian failed to answer simple question posed to s/he last year via e-Mails such as:

i) (Did S/he have gun to S/he head) when applying for (Naam-Dhan)?

ii) Was it in the alternative (Free-will) or mind control that made decision for above Churchless leader?

7 or was it the case when S/he had to put pen to paper it was not s/he Signature? IDENTIFY?

i) or was it dimension distortion in time line such as (Doppelganger) Brianna/Brian needs to answer

ii ) who abused there position in becoming (Secretary) or is pending legal case being brought by (leader of churchless church)

8. Whose angery i am not for the commentary that has indeed been posted by (Some-One) perhaphs its the churchless church leader who ever it is make comments now that i am live on this forum



To (arun m...)πŸƒπŸƒπŸƒ

1. Can you identify your back ground before i deal with you;

i) Do you have issues with your gender identity? IDENTIFY?

ii) Do you have skeleton in your closest?

2. Seems your name suggest you have?

3. I look forward to your comments ?

Do not hide your are indeed found to be lost?

As opposed to (Lost to be found) perhaphs you may not understand the the comprehensive contention certainly do not ask the Churchless church Brianna?

Much Obliged

Harry saab (Disciple)πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡

To osho Rob....

1. Be advised you are not the (SPIRITUAL MASTER) so do not make comments suggesting my Masters Thoughts?

i) You have no understanding of (Spiritual Dialogue) if you did you would have indeed Identified your self

ii) So i put you to proof IDENTIFY yourself if you indeed are (Disciple) of any (Spiritual Perfect Living MASTER)?

2. Lets hope the cat has not got your tongue or cheek🀩🀩🀩

3. Beware of a simple fact never make comments regarding (Spiritual Teachings of Perfect Masters) because you are always going to (Fail) only (Perfect Living Masters) can explian and give insight to humanity in the for of (Spiritual Dialogue).

Look forward to response

Harry saab (Disciple)

Hi Harry,
I am going to identify myself.
The 'cat' has not got my tongue as you seem to think.

you are obviously new here.

I am very well known in RS circles.
you can even see a picture of me.
I am not hiding. My identity is no secret.
The UK sangat knows me well. I am quite famous for asking questions on the mic
however, they are not usually questions. Mostly I have a chat with the guru, and amicable.
We usually have a dialogue.

I have identified myself (read on to see my pic, hear me giving a satsang on the rssb stage)
I used to be a satsang speaker, as indeed so was Brian.

I am not even an "Ex-follower" - I often go to satsangs - and have dialogues with your guru.

I just think most followers have missed the real message.
take this video:
at 5 mins in: he talks about love: that it is not in words, but actions.

If you were truly a follower of the current master, you would imbibe his attributes
you would not be making such remarks
have some respect for people, like your guru has.

in fact read this article where the guru even suggested to someone to read Brian Hines website for more information.


and this one in which he said "Brian is a good soul"

when your guru has such respect, why are you so critical?
are you higher than your guru? do you know better?

i think maybe an apology might be in order, if you feel like it.

I have declared who I am, so.....
Now perhaps you can do the same and declare who you are.
Apply the same rules to yourself.
You challenged me to reveal my identity, and I have done so.

I was initiated by Charan Singh in 1981.
I am not a follower of Darshan Das, but I have met him
during one of his satsangs, when my father took me there and I asked him a question.

My father was initiated by Charan SIngh in 1962. One of the very early disciples in the UK.
Back then, we had satsangs in houses, and they were mostly tapes being played.

There were no 'live' satsangs as such.
Everyone knew each other personally and we were all very close to each other.

Now the sangat is relatively impersonal compared to back then.
There were no centres. Later, satsangs were held in school halls.

Charan SIngh did not create any centres and told the sangat to focus on their meditation.

I am not just the Osho Robbins name on here. I am known to the UK sangat.
They know me by name.

I am known personally to the current master.
I have asked many questions, and some are listed on church of the churchless.

You are mistaken if you see Brain as some kind of 'enemy'.

This blog serves a purpose. It gets people to look at who they really are and their true motives.

You are too egotistical for the path of truth. You need to drop down a few levels.

You have faith - but it is blind.

Most likely you will take offence to my words.

but before you do.......

I used to be a speaker in the UK. you can listen to one of my satsangs here


and part two is here


listen to the first five minutes of this 'part 2' above - the story of baba farid.
and being a true disciple.

Hi Harry,
you also suggested that I should not make comments suggesting master's thoughts.

I wasn't sure what you meant, but can only assume you were referring to this:

"Gurinder Singh, the current head of RSSB, never advises speaking ill of anyone.
He is very particular not to criticise or put anyone down. He says 'let others do it - if they choose - why should you do the same' He never condones name calling or any act of criticising others.
He says ' Live and let live' - let others make their own choices. It is their life."

I am not guessing his thoughts
These are statements he constantly makes.

Are you really suggesting I am wrong? and that He advises speaking ill of others?

@ Harry

Hahahaha ..... have some coffee

To (osho Rob....)

1. You have indeed failed to (Identify) your self i would suggest you attempt be with out (Emotion/ Self-Indulgence-and Ego-);πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—

i ) How about you start with (Background)? IDENTIFY Years; ethnicity- Gender; Country of Orgin?

ii) Why would any one care to know if you are known? IDENTIFY?

iii) certainly not meπŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡

2. You allegedly alleged you are (Disciple) i have no contemporaneous evidence for that so how will you evidence that beyond all reasonable doubt;

i) Perhaps (Vanity) springs to mind i suggest you seek clarification from (My Master) next time you (Allegedly Allege) asking Questions ??πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡

ii) However in my case i can indeed confirm my gracious MASTER never allowed my mind to wonder to such issues but graciously revealed via direct experience (oooooh better stop kamoooosh) should not let the cat out the bagπŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡

3. What ridiculous comment of self glorification indulgence ......seems your new to this platform .....?

i) I am not new to any thing i have been here always now by the divine grace of my master shall never remain in this (cycle of charsi 8.4 million) again 🀩🀩🀩

ii) seems you understanding of (Naam-Dhan) is American issue???

iii) My Master is indeed (Authorized) by his master to be the (Perfect Living Master) and what ever my Beloved Master does/ is with (Divine-Seal-of-His-Beloved-Master)?

iv) Remember this for you (Modus-operandi) in future comments.

4. Give words will recive words meditate and always receive unconditional Infinite Grace .....ooooops--Kamoooosh🀩🀩🀩🀩

i) Now moving forward if you can now all smell the coffee tell leader of the Church of the churchless Brianna/brian to respond and by the way you can also give your answers to the question of (Naam-Daan)? πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—βš–οΈβš–οΈβš–οΈ

5. Harry is indeed Panjabi and born and rasied in (Beloved Birmingham Handsworth United Kingdom) and never runs after (Physical For Of His Beloved Master oooooopss.... KamooooshhhπŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ€©πŸ€©βš–οΈβš–οΈ

Get Brianna/Brian Churchless Church leader to say sorry as per you sound like a ushaaaaa rani perhaps πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰

Either way look forward to response by any Commentators


HARRY SAAB (Disciple).πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡

Bear with me i have just woken up i will deal with all comments need my 3 weatbix meditation will get back to all other subsidiary issues latter

Harry saab (Disciple)

To (Dolu...)

1. Identify your self i missed (Q) of in regards to (Brianna/Brian);

i) the Churchless church will in time be decooooon......watch John wick chaper 4) to understand definition take pop corn 🀩🀩🀩

2. Can (urm...) identify themselves because i assume they may be ex wife of leader of churchless church leader????

i) I stand to be corrected?😎😎😎

3. Is cowardly responses only American issue? IDENTIFY?

Stars and stripsπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

4. I look forward to responses in kind particularly (Osho.... who seems to have bee in bonnet πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸŽƒ

Much Obliged

Harry saab (Disciple)

To (osh....)

1. Just seen you (Cowardly Questions in Blog format) to ask my beloved MASTER;

i) Why do you not ask thses (Questions) Direct ? IDENTIFY?

ii) You allude to the fact that you ....seem to be on speed dial to my beloved Master however the case is you are not?

iii) Are you now trying to be (Judge Jury and ex.....πŸ•·πŸ•·πŸ•·)

iv) I suggest you allow the rule of law to decide issue? IDENTIFY?

2. OR IN the alternative you Americans bring class action aswell? βš–οΈβš–οΈβš–οΈ

i) Make sure the cat has not got your tongue or cheek on this issue πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

3. Seems apparent on the balance of probabilities you may be inclined towards thinking you are some kind of leader in waiting like Brianna/brian? IDENTIFY?

i ) Look forward to you response self indulgence is in your case good egoπŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—

Much Obliged

Intimate legal proceedings

Harry saab (Disciple)

To (Osho....)

1. You need blinkers on your eyes for is it not the case either you afe there or you are not? IDENTIFY

i) And like i have already stated vainty is you name i suggest change of wardrobe πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

2. Why would i want to listen to you interpreting words of (Perfect Masters) when my gracious MASTER reveals via direct experience ooopppps ......kamooooshπŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡

Harry saab (Disciple)

Much Obliged

Now awake βš–οΈβš–οΈβš–οΈβš–οΈ

please answer the questions you are asked if you want to have a meaningful dialogue.

and stop with the silly robotic "Please identify" nonsense.

you will have heard my satsang delivered in Birmingham at the centre.
and my picture is there.

all the questions I asked were in person on the mic. not in blog form as you seem to think.

I was in dialogue with the current master just a few months ago. Live, in at Haynes Park.

why don't you tell everyone you full name on here?
cat got your tongue?

I will not be engaging with you further on here as you are clearly a mental case.
I can tell you for free that you don't have any spiritual progress at all.
if you doubt me - go ask your own guru direct. He will put you in your place.

if you are a disciple, commenting on here is going directly against His orders.

so, best to stop all this and do the meditation he has prescribed for you.

good luck and have a happy life.
don't bother to respond as I will not be reading any of your replies to anyone

To (Osho....)

1. Seems the Churchless church member has indeed been defeated since mention legal issues ? IDENTIFY?

2. My dialogue was direct with your leader church of the churchless πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡

i) But all i seem to get from you is βš–οΈπŸ“―πŸ“―πŸ“―πŸ“―πŸ“― self indulgence via i gave this.....or i did this....the reality is look into the mirror run from your vanity in the form of ego ?

ii) you said you met (Darshan Das) every one in england knew of his antics

Akin to the church of the churchless

Going ask his wife he married for passport she lived on woodland roadπŸ“―πŸ“―πŸ“―πŸ“―πŸ“―πŸŽΊπŸŽΊπŸŽΊπŸŽΊ

Handsworth you failed to identify your ethnicity???

3. I reside in birmingham next time you are around let me know and i can then see you face to face as you know the evidence needs to be in front of meβš–οΈβš–οΈβš–οΈβš–οΈπŸ””πŸ””πŸ””πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‡

4. Regarding (SPIRITUAL Matters) i have no contemporaneous evidence to suggest you are indeed (Disciple) the burden is upon you to prove not for me;

i) Your the one with issues with my master i have none whatsoever?πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡

5. The reason i use symbols is so that Americans can understand better you failed to make (Brianna/Brian) post all evidence shame πŸ™„πŸ™„πŸ™„πŸ™„

i) hey hooooo perhaps we may continue this in (Anami Desh) what say you hope the cat has not got you tongue 🐈🐈🐈🐈🐱🐱

6. One done how many to go? Church of the CHURCHLESS Brianna/Brian




To (osh...)

1. Finally i suggest you ask my beloved MASTER who i am for the avoidance of all doubt so that nothing gets lost in translation and so that the audiance would then believe from the contemporaneous evidence said by my beloved MASTER ;

i) Diciples have no vanity or ego as opposed to you after all you have my beloved MASTER on speed dial πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸŽΊπŸŽΊπŸŽΊβš–οΈβš–οΈπŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ””πŸ””πŸ””

2. By joe ding dong the bell tolls seems the cat has indeed lost there tongue🐱🐱🐱

Look forward to removing other members of the Churchless Church


Harry Saab


To (osho)

1. I can also confirm i only attend my Master's Discourses within not external

i) why are you so sure that your picture is in birmingham center what relevance does that have but to glorify you ego of self indulgence;

2. I can confirm you or you picture does and will never exist save for pictures of only (living Perfect Masters)

i) Identify 🐱🐱🐱🐈🐈

Make sure cat has not got you tongue or cheek again



Much Obliged

Look forward to the rest of the Churchless Church members

Find Brianna/Brian πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡βš–οΈβš–οΈ

Harry, your comments have been amusing, as the weird emoji filled email you sent to me was. You've demonstrated how ridiculous religious fundamentalism (in this case, of the Radha Soami Satsang Beas variety) can be.

But now your many comments indicate that in addition to being a fundamentalist, you're also an Internet troll who is out to disrupt this blog, which goes against the blog's commenting guidelines. Your unwillingness to engage in honest reasoned discussion with other commenters shows this.

So from now on I'll be deleting your comments, unless a secular miracle happens and you start commenting in a normal fashion. Meaning, defend your religious point of view if you like, but do so without insulting other people.

I've allowed your gratuitous insults of me and other commenters to stay up because, like I said, they're amusing and are a great example of where religious fanaticism can lead someone. However, your time is up. Good luck on finding another place on the Internet to spew your venom.

Goodbye Mr Harry Troll, have a good life pretending to be a disciple

You all awake

What technique do you practice and what is your final destination

Is it (Destination unkown)πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ€—πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸ˜‡πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰βš–οΈβš–οΈβš–οΈπŸ±πŸ±πŸŽΊπŸŽΊπŸ“―πŸ“―

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