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March 03, 2023


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It reminds me of an article written bij an american researcher on "sensory deprivation and meditation / inner experiences" .... "He wrote, if I remember well, that the brain in order to survive, needs to be stimulated, and if it is not offered by the senses it creates its own stimuli..

What is the function of the brain biological?

I would say, that as all creatures are "self maintaining" entities its function is related to well being and food.

Will power, generally is seen as the power to pay attention to things we are not interested in but it can also be define as the power that is released to pay attention to things that are desired and longed for [ food safety etc]

It must be difficult to concentrate on things that are not there in the moment, abstract concepts, and concepts that are not related to previous experience.

Let me state another time and without any intention to judge anybody, neither myself or others, that most of the time people give a SHT about teachers and teachings they are only, if honest after personal gratification of the body and mind.

There have been performed so many researches on attention by perception psychologists to find for example the right person for a certain task that needs long attention ..f.e. pilots etc. They are selected, having an abnormal reaction to prolonged exposure to boring stimuli as looking at radar screens ... they do not adapt = having their mind filtering out the stimuli that are judged as harmless and not offering food.

When the animal is satisfied and safe, it will lay down, stare and often sleep.

If satisfaction and safety is not there, by necessity there must be unrest.
To mentally be satisfied one needs to know what one wants, and craves for.
That question is not to be answered in the light of the world, searching here and there


Humans have their minds filled up with "conditioned desires" .. they are told so many things from early childhood on and they all believed and owned it.

Many if not most or all would never have had an incling for mysticism, god if they were not told, had from hearsay, many abstract stories about the welfare that it could bring

They are like drunk people that love to drink but hate the morning after hangover and worse.

> And because I've been guilty of not wholeheartedly listening to my wife and friends when they have something to say to me, I especially try not to be distracted when we're having a conversation. I could definitely do better on this front, but I think I'm making some progress on being a better listener.<<

When gardener starts out it is all about himself, being a "good and even more respected" gardener.

Over time his attention will shift from others and himself to the plants.

Then, ... then the only concern he has will be and satisfaction been found, in the welfare of the plants, using his knowledge, "love" and devotion, to help THEM to grow
to their full capacity and bloom

>>So unlike medieval monks, I don't consider that there's any one thing most deserving of my attention.<<

The whole thing is to be found in the word "Deserving"

Everything out there is there because of YOU attributing meaning and value.
Your wife doesn't deserve the attention of nothing and nobody.
If she gets the attention of something and somebody then, that is because something and somebody chose to give it for their own reasons.

The coffee that I drink is tasty because of me ... I am the taster

Jamun GAVE his love to Laula.
His friends could not because they were thinking, thinking that She had FIRST to offer something they considered as valuable, status, good looking etc etc.

These mystics were clever very clever ... they said as giver you can give to whatever you want EVEN to your enemies .... hahahaha.

Love, respect, faith, value meaning ... you name it are all personal GIFTS


"Most people today, me included certainly, don't believe that their attention is necessary to bring God's favor upon their chosen religion and those who follow that faith."

Actually the quote referenced was about monks using prayer to bring favor to the Byzantine empire, not "their chosen religion."

Perhaps the chaotic and confused state of Oregon is explained by so much of their citizen's mindfulness being sidetracked to Twitter and like solipsistic twiddlings.

Religions, such as RSSB and Sikhism, had a better idea for dealing with the wanderings of the mind: seva.

SantMat64, I assumed that everyone knew that in the middle ages in Europe, Christianity was the state religion and permeated every aspect of life. But it appears you don't know that. I'm always pleased to share the truth with people.

So here's the opening paragraphs of the Wikipedia article about the Byzantine Empire. Next time, you should seriously consider using Google to educate yourself before criticizing me or anyone else for something that you're wrong about.

Note that Christianity became the state religion in the Byzantine Empire and other religions were forbidden. So praying for the Byzantine Empire was indeed praying for the success of Christianity. See:

The Byzantine Empire,[note 1] also referred to as the Eastern Roman Empire or Byzantium, was the continuation of the Roman Empire primarily in its eastern provinces during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages, when its capital city was Constantinople. It survived the fragmentation and fall of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century AD and continued to exist for an additional thousand years until the fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Empire in 1453. During most of its existence, the empire remained the most powerful economic, cultural, and military force in Europe.

The terms "Byzantine Empire" and "Eastern Roman Empire" were coined after the end of the realm; its citizens continued to refer to their empire as the Roman Empire, and to themselves as Romans[note 2]—a term which Greeks continued to use for themselves into Ottoman times. Although the Roman state continued and its traditions were maintained, modern historians prefer to differentiate the Byzantine Empire from Ancient Rome as it was centred on Constantinople instead of Rome, oriented towards Greek rather than Latin culture, and characterised by Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

During the high period of the Roman Empire known as the Pax Romana, the western parts of the empire went through Latinization, while the eastern parts of the empire maintained to a large degree their Hellenistic culture. Several events from the 4th to 6th centuries mark the period of transition during which the Roman Empire's Greek East and Latin West diverged. Constantine I (r. 324–337) reorganised the empire, made Constantinople the capital, and legalised Christianity. Under Theodosius I (r. 379–395), Christianity became the state religion, and other religious practices were proscribed. In the reign of Heraclius (r. 610–641), the empire's military and administration were restructured, and Greek was gradually adopted for official use in place of Latin.

I’m going on a silent retreat this summer at the oldest abbey in the United States. IT’s unstructured and welcoming of people of all faiths. Only 30 people allowed at a time because that’s the number of rooms they have. Nothing is mandatory other than silence (except in designated areas at designated times. There are 1,500 acres of walking trails.

I’ve never been on a silent retreat before (but oh, how I do love silence). I’m curious to see the impact it will have on my mind’s ability to center itself. My house is always full of people… it’s nice to have company I guess, but it comes with a lot of noise.

We’ll see!

There are numerous variations of silent retreats all over the world—each with a different flavor. Many available in the US too. Some are expensive and some just take donations.

@ 808

This is about an experimental retreat with one of the last desert fathers:

The next Stop.

He was a previous Australian atheist lecturer in philosophy

So their is hope ... hahaha ...

Thanks, um! I watched a little of it and will finish it as soon as everyone goes to bed. Will let you know what I think. So far, it looks very interesting. Ascetic Christians were much too severe for me but their stories are worth noting. Don’t think it’s necessary to go to extremes to become one with your source. God is in everyone. We learn a lot about God and ourselves through our interactions with ALL of the people around us.

And I think you know by now that I’m more of a “balance” person. Hate the dessert too (even though I think it’s very beautiful in its own way—I’m more of a tropical weather person 😉).

Thanks, though… it’s amazing what people will go through in their search for meaning.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the founder of RSSB was an ascetic hermit. He meditated alone in a hut for 17 years before he had the revelation to start RS. Or something like that…

Most new philosophies start off with men and women like that.

Again, correct me if I’m wrong. My RS history might not be completely accurate.


My goodness, I forgot how guilt obsessed the Catholic religion is. That was fascinating. Funny how “white” their Jesus was (Jesus definitely wasn’t white).

I liked watching it. Didn’t seem so bad on the surface. I mean, a cozy cave, Turkish coffee and no spouse or kids for three weeks—what more could you want. 😂

But he was faced with his own demons, which I do believe are self generated based on each individual’s personal values.

Some might find that stay in the desert much easier than he did and some would find it even more difficult. We’re all different.

But, good Lord, let go of the “sinner’s guilt”! Yuck. No one can progress by constantly beating themselves up.

>>Some might find that stay in the desert much easier than he did and some would find it even more difficult. We’re all different.https://catholicstrength.com/tag/the-mystical-theology-of-saint-john-of-the-cross/

Again, on pressing the "post" button what I wrote disappeared in the ether and only the last entrance appeared.
Obvious ...XCVXCV .. doesn't want me to post it ... hahaha
So be it.

I asked Chat GPT OpenAI the question, "Is Gurinder Singh guilty"? Here was its immediate response:

"Gurinder Singh Dhillon is a spiritual leader and the head of Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB), a spiritual organization based in India. He has been accused of financial irregularities in connection with loans made by his family to certain entities that are linked to RSSB. However, whether or not he is guilty of these accusations is still under investigation by Indian authorities and has not been proven in a court of law."

"In 2020, the Supreme Court of India appointed a retired judge to oversee the investigation into the allegations against Dhillon and his family. The investigation is ongoing, and no formal charges have been filed against Dhillon as of my knowledge cutoff in 2021."

"It is important to note that accusations and allegations should be treated with caution and that guilt or innocence should be determined through a fair and impartial legal process."

Apparently the fears about AI's amorality were unfounded, as here we see it has a far more moral and indeed sensible outlook than some of our RS critical pundits. (You know, like telling the world GS is guilty and murdering his wife to keep her silent).

Hey, let's follow up with GPT on that! GPT, did Gurinder Singh murder his wife?

"I have no information or evidence to suggest that Gurinder Singh Dhillon, the spiritual leader and head of Radha Soami Satsang Beas, has been accused of or implicated in any way in the murder of his wife. In fact, I have found no credible sources suggesting that Gurinder Singh Dhillon's wife was murdered at all."

"It's important to remember that accusations and rumors should be treated with skepticism unless there is credible evidence to support them. Making unfounded accusations can harm the reputation of an individual and cause unnecessary distress to their family and loved ones. It's always best to rely on credible and verified sources for information."

>>It's always best to rely on credible and verified sources for information.<<


To maintain peace of mind one has to believe others are acting in your best interests, otherwise one would not even take a plane or participate in traffic.

Often we even do not know why we are doing certain things, why certain thoughts and feelings are in mind, let alone that we ever will know what is going on in the minds of others.

Humans live by survival strategies ... they have to, they are made to use them.

The existence of so called higher good's and interests, forces people to make decisions and take actions, that otherwise would be labeled as "criminal".

Sadhguru said Will Smith is a good person.


Are you holding a grudge?

Nobody needs a grumpy grudgey guru.

In my experience when you start the practice of being present you need something to help you stay there. But as your practice develops being present comes first, and whatever enters into that open space: sensations, emotions, thoughts, etc is secondary. Losing the present is very interesting. There's no curb or speed bump that you go over that alerts you to the fact that you are mind wandering. And you never know that you are mind wandering until you 'snap back' into the present, then you know you were 'away. It's just like falling asleep. You never see yourself fall asleep and you only know you've been asleep when you wake up.


Very true. It’s similar to dreaming except you’re waking up into a different state of consciousness.

"This is the essence of mindfulness, the way I've come to understand it. Paying attention to what our bodily senses are experiencing; keeping mind and body in sync; keeping in touch with the physical reality we're part of at any given moment."

This is where I differ. For me it seems that there is a difference between 'paying attention' and 'being present'. While the two states can be listed under mindfulness 'paying attention' seems to include an object or target, whereas 'being present' is open. When science studies mind wandering vs mindfulness they look at how closely or continuously you are paying attention to an object or target and overlook the mind state where you are simply being present. Mindfulness is more than "keeping in touch with physical reality",

There is definitely a difference between paying attention and being present. Mindfulness isn’t a leave-your-body-awareness kind of practice but it’s good for certain things.

One of the reasons people use drugs and alcohol—that detachment from the body can feel almost blissful.

Not encouraging the use of drugs and alcohol to achieve this, though.

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