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September 15, 2021

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Lalit
Unless you can let go of all that Karma, how will you rise up?

I'm also guided by Gurinder. But I hear something different. We have our duty, but we can't do any of it without Him. Impossible.

And so it becomes His duty, if we do ours.

These karmic impressions. If you really take responsibility for them, then you know they color your thinking.

You are doing your version of what you think Gurinder has asked.

So it is presumptuous to think your understanding is better than anyone else's.

It's the best you can come up with today. And that's all you have to go on. Just like the rest of us.

You are no different.

Hi Lalit
You wrote
"The world can have the Mother Teresa's - who probably must now at best be living a life in one of those numerous heaven we are told about - for all the noble and charitable work she did."

Perhaps, but perhaps she was living in Christ with Sat Purush before she came back here, under His direction and went back to Him when she had finished His work. Maybe she wasn't creating any new karma at all. If so, she isn't in any of the heavens you refer to. She is merged with the Lord, as she was when she was here.

Do not denigrate acts of kindness. Whom do you think they come from?

If Sant Mat or Gurinder is anyone's excuse for denigrating acts of kindness in the world then they denigrate Gurinder himself, to his face in every corner of this world.

Hi Lalit
You write
"Santmat is the most selfish path and anything to achieve the objective of merging with the one."

I don't think so. If you are compelled to be selfish, you get meditation assigned to you. Decades of it. Until you give up in frustration.

If, however, you are compelled to be kind, He's already with your and you live in Him and He lives in you. Then meditation is just visiting Him in His place.

Bhakti is the fastest way, but it isn't for everyone.

Compelled, as in, not your doing, not your credit Just being part of the whole, part of this, part of Him.

Then there isn't room for selfish. There sn't a place for it. It can't squeeze through the doorway! ;)

@ Lalit : [ And you have to clear your account and we become karma-less in a minuscule manner through our meditation and in a large measure through his grace. ]

Hm, in my case, "minuscule" becomes vanishingly small the longer I'm
attempting to follow the path. I suspect liberation comes when the "our"
croaks its last feeble whisper of independence and disappears for good.

I mean where does the slightest effort to meditate come from? Some
small impulse on our part? If so, who put it there? How can I be sure
it comes back? How do I divvy up credit? The mind boggles at this
impossible calculus.

It's better to unburden myself of the illusion of my/our. And let go of
the notion that there's any effort of mine other than love to incinerate
karma. The inner master does it all I'm told. I'm just the whining, self-
important kid that dances to the jukebox oldies being played and not
very well at that.

Huzur Maharaji said after a fashion once: He provides a living, the food,
the appetite, the digestion so we can say with satisfaction "Yep, I ate!".

Hi Dungeness
I was going to quote some of what you wrote and say "Yes!" but then all of it is great so I'll just to say "Yes!" to it all.

Perhaps, but perhaps she was living in Christ with Sat Purush before she came back here, under His direction and went back to Him when she had finished His work. Maybe she wasn't creating any new karma at all. If so, she isn't in any of the heavens you refer to. She is merged with the Lord, as she was when she was here.

Do not denigrate acts of kindness. Whom do you think they come from?
Posted by: Spence Tepper | September 26, 2021 at 01:01 PM

She certainly wasn't and didn't go back to the lap of Satpurush.

Am suprised you speculate - coming from someone who claims to be with the radiant form of Maharaji..... Oops that claim was called off in the past.

If only you knew the unfortunate fate of Mahatma Gandhi you wouldn't have been speculating on such lines.

Lalit
Unless you can let go of all that Karma, how will you rise up?

Posted by: Spence Tepper | September 26, 2021 at 01:01 PM

You rise up inspite of your karmas. You don't just need a refresher course but a full fledged course on santmat.

To quote the Great Master - the four lives that saints talk about need not be on the earth plane. They can be in the higher regions too.

You write
"Santmat is the most selfish path and anything to achieve the objective of merging with the one."

I don't think so. If you are compelled to be selfish, you get meditation assigned to you. Decades of it. Until you give up in frustration.

If, however, you are compelled to be kind, He's already with your and you live in Him and He lives in you. Then meditation is just visiting Him in His place.

Bhakti is the fastest way, but it isn't for everyone.

Compelled, as in, not your doing, not your credit Just being part of the whole, part of this, part of Him.

Then there isn't room for selfish. There sn't a place for it. It can't squeeze through the doorway! ;)

Posted by: Spence Tepper | September 26, 2021 at 01:16 PM

How many people do you need to tell you that you are wrong!!!!!!

The path is indeed selfish. One is on it only for himself/herself. Benefits accruing from it are also only for oneself. These can't be shared and even if they can, the benefactors don't part with it. (Selfish, selfish selfish)

And wrt progress and amount of meditation - well progress is dependent on one's karmic load.

Nothing to do with being kind or otherwise.

@dungeness @spence

Go tell GSD that I don't meditate for he doesnt want me to or because he doesnt provide you that inner impulse

Try it.....

You need to do your bit. Honour the commitment. Start with small steps. Grace will surely come your way. Your efforts will be rewarded. No effort no reward

@ ex-poster : [ Go tell GSD that I don't meditate for he doesnt want me to or because he doesnt provide you that inner impulse ... You need to do your bit. ]

Naturally. But, in the midst of doing your bit, you need to recognize
and thank the Doer with every breath. That's the ultimate discipline
and effort. You become immersed in the One. There's no room for
two on the inside.

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