Open Thread 36 (free speech for comments)

Here's a new Open Thread.

Remember, off-topic comments should go in an Open Thread. 

If you don't see a recent comment, or comments, posted, it's because you've failed to follow the above rule. Keep to the subject of a blog post if you leave a comment on it. And if you want to use this blog as a "chat room," do that in an open thread.

As noted before, it's good to have comments in a regular blog post related to its subject, and it's also good to have a place where almost anything goes in regard to sharing ideas, feelings, experiences, and such. That place is an Open Thread.

Leave a comment on this post about anything you want to talk about. Remember that I'm moderating comments, so it could take a while for your comment to be published. Almost every comment submitted to an Open Thread will be approved. Personal attacks on someone are an exception, as is hate speech. Argue with ideas, not insults.

Though I haven't been doing too well on this, I'll try to remember to always have an Open Thread showing in the Recent Posts section in the right sidebar. If one isn't showing, I've added an Open Threads category in, naturally, the Categories section. You can always find an Open Thread that way.

So if you're a believer in some form of religion, mysticism, or spirituality, this is where you can put your "praise God," "praise Guru," or "praise _______" comments.

Comments

[‼️‼️‼️ to know on free will ‼️‼️‼️]

#FREE WILL

An Olympic Swimmer could generate his total free will and win
by knowing he's the Creator

But so done His Major Compassion will make him the last one for that game

Capiche now?

Therefore only the Finnish people , where competing is SO strickly forbidden
have the greatest chance entering "Sach Khand !"
Kidding, "a little" , . . . but the best education they have since a long time

777

Please those not 'EX' yet but somewhere in between
One minute of meditation with the 5 Words
and in all stuff (music, dance, art, nature) You will see HIM, The Beloved

777

[tai]

There are certain people who will set you up just so they can see you fall. Sad but true. A smart person just walks away.

[Me me me]

Yep... it’s gonna be a drinkin’ weekend

[🌞.💥.💥.💥 🌞]

I Just posted elsewhere:
The ONLY solution for this problem is:
that YOU are This Creator, volontary without powers,
and in amnesia
This solves also the free will idea
and the idea of what Heaven is . . . It's YOU
Also nobody is guilty, . . only YOU,
to blame
❤ ❤ ❤
;· 4 min
7
77
So, . . nothing to Create
Before Abraham, . . . I AM
I just always exist
❤

777
Isn't this wonderful, beautiful

777

[why]

Like dominos...

[moody guru]

There finally comes a point where you learn not to get back up again. Some take longer to learn this than others. You’ll just get knocked down. Some games you can’t win.

[Sonia]

All of my life I’ve held on to one belief despite changing all my other beliefs. And the one belief was that Love was the be all and end all. I’ve finally learned that that’s not true. Love ranks lower on the vibrational frequency scale than contentment, peace and bliss.

Love isn’t all there is. Love isn’t all that... peace, contentment and ultimately bliss are far superior to love. Love is simply the opposite to hate so it’s not all that great. It’s just better than the lower frequencies... that’s all.

[Sonia]

They say god is love. But maybe love is just as stupid as the idea of god. Love is just wanting to be happy and wanting others to be happy. But we can’t control anything or anyone. So maybe instead of focusing on love we should focus on being content. We should focus on inner peace. Nothing else matters. The truth is you can’t make other people happy.

[god is dead]

Love is just another word for attachment

[um]

If ... if as the mystics claim:

God is love
and
love is God.

than ....Only those who have witnessed or become god know what love is all about.

Otherwise all who use the word should research the content of their concept.
The same word used by different people, in different stage of their life, will have different meanings as content.

The mother that says to love her baby, will mean something different as when she tells her, father, brother, friend or spouse, she loves them. and what to see of the things that goes into her mouth in terms of delicious food, or her ears, or seen with the eyes ... all things she loves.

What have all these things to do with a creative force in nature?

[Sonia]

@um

Yes, other cultures have many words to describe different kinds of love, but we English speaking fools have just one overused word.

I don’t know what love is. But I know what attachment is.

Have you ever seen the rain?

[um]

@ sonia

No ... if rain is the movement
yes ... if rain is that what is transported by that movement

And walking in it I get soaked ... not something that i love.

[um]

@ Sonya

If I answer that question in the confirmatie, i lie
and
if I answer that question in the negative, I lie too

[Sonia]

@um

Very clever 😉

[🌞.💥.💥.💥 🌞 Suckers with filth as fill 🌞.💥.💥.💥 🌞]

"Hey, Lovely Sweet Phantom Energy "

Thank U Brian for explaining the fundamentals
I think I don't need to explain the everpresent feel of "Love" whatever that may be
It's what U ARE
and yes there are a few lurkers and some suckers trying to symbiotic_ize with you

Remember the saying:
A flower even the grass , hurt by the feel of a Saint will go to Sach Khand
This is the greatest LAW OF THE UNIVERS

It applies to each Jeeva doing /feeling nice towards a GOD_LOVER
and
via these suckers the opposite happens too
. . . . next there is Jesus expression about the "pedo's with a mill stone around their neck on the bottom of the ocean

All this is so true and and SO TRUE

777

[💥.💥.💥]

https://youtu.be/wIJC5N4MEZk?list=PLXgUykwqp2GSvmdIGHOAWy91l3Ma6w6L_

So nice to call the SatGuru :" BABY, OH BABY "

777

[S]

https://youtu.be/wIJC5N4MEZk?list=PLXgUykwqp2GSvmdIGHOAWy91l3Ma6w6L_

So nice to call the SatGuru :" BABY, OH BABY "

777

Posted by: 💥.💥.💥 | January 28, 2021 at 02:12 AM

Must be really weird being worshipped with millions of women at your feet. I guess a few guys too. I wouldn’t want that. That ego is too big to truly notice others.

[S]

Unfortunately, all that game isn’t on the list of “pros”. It’s a serious issue.

[💥 Correlations 💥]

# 02:29
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzfj98Q1HGA

Pls send me yr Location, Location

Alas , like Bianca Ryan (12), she didn't make it, except for n explosion of tattoos

I liked about the vibration that is without beginning & end

777

[💥‼️ 💥]

S
U can't have 72 men at your feet if you have a Tiny piece of Ego Left

hahaha now I see why some are foot wordhippers ;-)
BTW
Love lower on the vibrational frequency scale than contentment, peace and bliss:
there are xillions of grades of love
from saving an ant to be IT
as Um said
Only those who have witnessed °°?°° or have become God know what Love is all about
°°

[S]

But what is love without integrity? Integrity is following principles that respect the rights of society at large.

I’m not a goody two shoes. I don’t care about be good for the sake of being good. I don’t even care if people think I’m “good”. I care about doing what’s right because everything you do has an impact—to one degree or another—on everyone else.

Yes, we debate a lot here. It’s like group therapy. A place where you can share your ideas and get feedback from others. That feedback may reinforce your ideas/beliefs or it may help you see things from a different point of view.

If we keep quiet about everything we’ll never be able to address our concerns. If we never ask questions, we’ll never grow beyond our own limited understanding.

I’m not really sure what you mean by “become God”. How do any of us become “God” if we’re all equal and we’re made up of the same stardust?

[S]

https://youtu.be/5JCm5FY-dEY

The butterfly’s wings...
How a little thing becomes a big thing.

[S]

Does karma take into account the chain reaction effect?? If it does it should realize that nothing can be “righted”. There is no tit for tat that actually balances things out in any universe.

[S]

Don’t you think the mind is really powerful? I mean we create our own “realities” based on what we think and believe to be true. We’ve created heavens and hell’s. Literally, WE have created that. And we reinforce our own beliefs of heaven and hell until others start buying in. Perhaps all the “higher realms” are created by us humans. At least, certain versions of them. It’s interesting to think if we actually have that much power then why did we create such a cruel god? I don’t believe this cruel lord is really real. But he’s real to all the people who bow in subservience to him. Couldn’t we use our power to create a more benevolent God?? I think so.

[S]

777 ~

I would say it’s an honor but it’s difficult sometimes... navigating your judgement 🙄

I’ve noticed that the questions in Q&A seem to revolve around the fear people are experiencing while meditating. Does that not seem a little weird to you?

[Pontius Pilates]

Who says we are all equal ?

This is human moralizing. You cannot will the world or your guru as to how you think it should be, that is why he is the guru, not you. Sure you can listen to some of the others whittle on about being your own guru and all that new age nonsense but you realize just as their are ppl who are more advanced in areas of science and business, so there almost certainly are ppl more advanced in spiritual matters if spirituality exist - which is largely for you to decide.

As for your premise that we are equal, its completely wrong, we are all different, without any exception that I can think of. Even identical twins are born with different fingerprints and DNA due to differences environments in the womb environment where genetic mutations are picked up. Moreover, their personalities over time become more different due to the different experiences they face.

Everything is change. Externally at least, you are not even the same person as you will be next week. Don’t of us with less stable minds flip-flop even more quickly than others.

The notion that we should all be treated equally is merely a cultural or moralistic principle. I tend to agree with it since I think that it creates nicer societies, but it’s not the way nature works.

In nature the strongest meanest asshole often survives. The lion doesn’t take on the male buffalo in his prime who is an equal match for the lion, but takes on the newly born calf frightened out of its mind barely able to move with fear who is no match at all. It’s cruel and yet the lion must eat to survive.

Even books like the ‘selfish gene’ and it’s sequel provide biological, or Darwinism, explanations for our strongest emotions like ‘love’ and ‘altruism’ and kindness. If these explanations are correct, these emotions are merely phenotypical expressions of our genes that have found some way where altruistic behavior is found to be a beneficial strategy to the survival of a gene. Instead of being selfless, it’s the exact opposite at base.
If such scientific explanations are to be believed, there is no meaning to life, merely the cold hard drive of genes to survive and propagate.

That is the scientific perspective. There is no meaning and love is merely an evolutionary by-product of an indifferent universe.

The question is whether You believe that scientific explanation or whether you don’t believe that science is the be all and end all, that there is selfless love, and that there may be entities or forces with qualities different from such an unforgiving indifferent physics reality. this is where spirituality comes in, eg the belief or knowledge in some kind of inner soul or spark which is equal to all of us and that is changeless - something different from our natural reality. Similarly, whether there is an eternal acausal unseen power that goes against what seems to be our physical reality which is that everything dies and nothing is without cause.

[💥‼️ 💥 Even saying hypocryt is hypocrit 💥‼️ 💥]

The Mantra

Apart from taking them from books like ABRACADABRA
which mights have benefit, . . .

The power of the Mantra is the power the giver did put into it

If Sublime MaharaJi had given RANK XEROX COCA COLA to repeat
it would have been of equal majestic force and so worked out

This is a universal principle applying equally to the Pope, any Priest
the Daila Lama , in fact anybody
@S : Yes Voodo works to, Demons exist, but like in science and magnetism
the fines prevails
So, a Satsangi doesn't need to have fear because he has the elephant
trapping flattening the low frequencies to non obliterance

But all this functions according to St Paul by Belief, Faith and mostly LOVE
Therefore science can't help because one thing proven opens 100 of new doubts

And for your final question :

Yes repeating a powerful energy with belief , love and faith
will change you litterally in that Energy
A devotee or a manmukh also will becaome the Giver
next become the essence of the giver which is the Creator God
You always was that but you didn't know -
Being HIM and the ultimate energy vibrations ( Sounds )
will enhance All you are meeting in your life, animals, flowers
you name it
Even reflecting on a star or a galaxy will improve it's fate

A Saint can modify the Big Bang a nano meter to help a disciples undertakings

So, How about e mosquito_demon running away when U are approaching

Fear as BBJ says spoils a lot
And fear connects to the 99% catastropes that will never happen to us

Belief, Hope, Love
witghout them nothing happens

Hypocryt Manmukh 777

[Spence Tepper]

Karma is really like playing a beautiful tune on a guitar and singing the lyrics. The words, and the notes are the same, but each artist plays it out a little differently. Bobby Darin's 'Mack The Knife...
https://youtu.be/h8iPUK0AGRo

... was far far different in style than what Kurt Weill and Bertold Brecht wrote and composed for the Three Penny Opera decades earlier...

https://youtu.be/8QE0jd4MuPU

You have latitude, you have some control. And the more creative you are, the more you have. Even the chess player on the ninth move has some options. And the results can be staggeringly different. The more advanced players know this, and enjoy the challenge. The more advanced artists know this. Who could sing 'Somewhere Over the Rainbow' as Judy Garland? No one. And that made all the difference. That is the difference we should all try to make in this script, in these lyrics written for us so long ago, by us.

Our acting coach, our singing coach is within us. Even still, with their help, we must try to find our own voice. That's all they want to help us do. Discover and use our voice. And that beautiful voice is found within. Even so we may not sing it op to our own best. So let's keep working for that personal best, however differently it may look from what we'd thought. It may just be what we improvise in the moment that comes from within that becomes our purest expression and best performance. Irreplaceable, unique, never to be duplicated, in whatever small corner of life we fill.

[Spence Tepper]

And just to show even more variation..
Multi - talented Gunhild Carling's version of the same tune just a couple of years ago, same lyrics... But all three completely different songs.

https://youtu.be/lG8Jgj09WcI

There may be few roles in life, but we can fill them out in new and creative ways. And one thing is for sure. We cannot fill them out exactly the same as anyone else. Not even ourselves from the past long ago. We have been changed even without our knowledge or permission. So let's own it, be proactive and Master the changes. We can't paint by numbers however much we try. That is impossible and any effort to do so only results in cutting off our own limbs, and a terrible painting, limiting who and what we are. By nature 's own hands we are each different. We are artists by force, not by choice. By reality. So let's accept our role and embrace our talent as artists, creating, improving, improvising every step, inspired and all in, in the moment.

[Spence Tepper]

Louis Armstrong covers Mack the Knife

https://youtu.be/28ULUQgxJ5M

And Rosemary Clooney and Perez Prado with a different take

https://youtu.be/wbWDFjpYvto

[S]

@Pontius P

Sooo... first of all I think we should probably define what is meant by “equal”. Obviously we’re not all the same, but your soul is equally as perfect as mine or your gurus’ or a so called criminal’s soul

I’m referring to the very essence of who we are. At a soul level we are perfect.

As far as:

“In nature the strongest meanest asshole often survives. The lion doesn’t take on the male buffalo in his prime who is an equal match for the lion, but takes on the newly born calf frightened out of its mind barely able to move with fear who is no match at all. It’s cruel and yet the lion must eat to survive.“

I’ve got news for you—the most subtle energy is the most powerful (note the sugar cube that can knock over the Empire State Building example in the video). One person’s thoughts can defeat an entire army of soldiers. So, why do you believe you need to be a rough and tough bully in order to gain respect? Silliness.

Have you noticed that “way back when” the hill people in India used to have an easier time of going in and raising their consciousness. But today it’s just the opposite. Now they all complain that they feel so much fear in meditation. Why do you think that is? I can tell you why. Because one sane person realized how insane worshiping such a vengeful god is. It’s called evolution. Enlightenment. Who knows where that first thought came from but once it entered human consciousness it spread like wildfire because it is Real. It is True. When you meditate on a god that is full of vengeance and retribution you’re going to feel fear. That’s the power of one person’s thought that is shared and spreads like wildfire among millions like a chain reaction—each person sharing that thought (the thought that there’s something truly fckd up about worshiping a cruel god—on a soul level they know it’s cruelty for any god to keep souls here until they have “made amends” or whatever the hell you want to call it.) So, you’re welcome—people are less and less fond of practicing SSY anymore. And that’s the great power of subtlety.

Meditation is definitely worthwhile and peaceful but not if your whole intent is to remove all your sins. That’s just leads to sitting in darkness and fear. But that’s what bully gods do to the people who follow them.

You grossly underestimate the power of belief. Of course, I should feel sorry for all the bullies of the earth and heavens... they all have a sad backstory.

[S]

@777

Yes, hope and love are phenomenally powerful. Fear has many forms. Some are just weaknesses but there is a form of fear—perhaps we should call it trepidation—that is meant to show us we are moving in the wrong direction. As awful as that fear might be, it’s probably the only version of fear that’s helpful.

[S]

7–
But belief is the most powerful of all. You choose.

[7]

Well said Spence
Well song also like Rosemary
So long ago
Doris
rn
Ella
Sarah
and so many
like BBJ with "With a little bit of help from my friend"

7

[Dr Strangelove]

Some ppl living in lalaland - can’t handle reality. Get angry when they lucky enough to come across the only master who can explain it to them. Don’t listen to the words. Twist them. Rebel. Throw a strop. Throw their dummy. Throw their toys. Drown their sorrows. Drown themselves. The only person they hurt is themselves. Lost causes.

Kum ba ya my lord oh lord kumbaya

[Spirit of the Great Heart]

This is the difference between the guru and us , he can see reality for what it is not how he might want it to be.

The Trumpster is your quintessentially bully and baby - yet he also got to the top, you might not like it or that he got there but he did - many worship him. They like that strength and bravado.

I’m not saying it’s good to be like that or it’s good that the big strong lion chews off the face of the little gazelle - I’m just saying that is reality - deal with it.

Sitting around in a circle of trust thinking positive thoughts ain’t going to do diddly shit against an army worked up and ready for war with anger in their hearts - you been watching too many crap Hollywood movies.

You don’t improve your life by watching
“Eat pray love” and indulging in the ‘power of the yoni’. It’s all utter BS as are all these self-help fools who you surround yourself with.

Listen to the person who makes sense on an instinctive level. The one who gets you riled. But don’t skew their words just cos you don’t like them or what they saying - why are you getting so upset? Think and reflect. Understand what is being said before attacking.

[S]

With a little help from my friendz...

There’s always hope.

There is a oneness that connects us all but a lot of people would rather remain separate or “special”.

I had a conversation with my husband this evening about the archaic belief systems of the world’s religions.

He said something very profound. He said that the priests sold the common people on the idea that they could only reach god through them/the priests. He pointed out that the priest’s taught people that they could only reach god through the help of their priest. He said that teaching was based on the desire to control the masses. He said it was motivated by power and greed. It was so undeniably obvious and ridiculous to both of us. We agreed on that.

I hope he really pondered that thought quite thoroughly. I didn’t bother to mention the similarity between priests and gurus. Because the similarity is undeniable. It should be obvious to everyone.

[Spence Tepper]

Hi 7 :)

[anami]

"Have you noticed that 'way back when' the hill people in India used to have an easier time of going in and raising their consciousness. But today it’s just the opposite. Now they all complain that they feel so much fear in meditation. Why do you think that is?"

S,

I haven't been watching the Q&A's, but I'll guess that TV and the internet can reach the hill people now and is bombarding them with conservative religious programming. If Sant Mat were competition to American Christianity, wouldn't televangelists be crying Satan about it left and right? Mysticism threatens big religion, which is why outspoken Sants in history have sometimes been martyred. Have you noticed all the devil-sayers showing up around here lately? GSD as satanic must be a meme in certain corners of India right now, and we're getting some of the spillover.

[💥💥💥]

7–
But belief is the most powerful of all. You choose.
Posted by: S | January 31, 2021 at 10:56 AM

How can LOVE exist without the 3 components first

Love for Shabd💥 is a gift -

777

[The 7 ride again]

Organized religion and text and priest are nonsense.

I suspect there are many ppl who are considerably more spiritually advanced , some of which may even come from religious traditions, but the overriding principle is that they’ve spent a lot time of time in contemplative meditation and are wise enough to have come to certain realizations.

Guess each got to do what feels right for them, just please stop whining like it’s others and demons who are leading ppl astray. You are responsible for your actions none else. If you duped shame on you.

It’s like these ppl who blame governments and politicians for lying and hence are elected or their policies are supported. Nonsense, these ppl are ejected because of democracy , the popular vote. If you going to blame someone, blame the electorate as they voted the politico to power.

[S]

@The 7 ride again

Yes, please stop whining. PLEASE STOP.

[S]

@ anami

How would you define mysticism?

[anami]

S,

Good question. I had to consider, and I'll go with...

Mysticism is perception that bypasses the physical senses and intellect.

[Jonny Wise Mullah]

Oh woe is me, the evil gods and gurus and spirits are too blame!

Gd almighty what a crock.

[Joining the convo]

S wrote
“ I hope he really pondered that thought quite thoroughly. I didn’t bother to mention the similarity between priests and gurus. Because the similarity is undeniable. It should be obvious to everyone.”

If you really understood what the Guru is saying then you will see it’s not the same thing. I think your husband understands. Present master is constantly pointing out that he is “a guide” and that there are many paths that lead to the same goal and we all have the same power within us nobody more special than the other. he is here to help us or guide us.

[um]

@ Joining the convo

What you write is right but not the whole truth.

Depending on one's concept on guiding he can be said to "guide people"
That is just ONE thing and cannot be generalized into and overall concept of what he does or is supposed to do.

Listening to the tapes of his own guru and working through the literature back to the founder of this path and beyond, "guiding"people can hardly be said the purpose of a master.

[Beau Diddly.]

Yep that makes sense.

That is how I understood it. I don’t understand where all this GIHF stuff comes from.

Yet if we all have the same soul - ie equal - does that mean Adolph Hitler or Pol Pot also have pure souls?

[Joining the convo]

Hi Um I am not working through the literature of the founders of the path as that is what was applicable to that time. I am speaking of present master and what is applicable to the time we are in 2021 he explains repeatedly that he is a guide a sevadar just like us and that is the purpose of the master and I will not add or pretend to add anything to that which is different from what the Guru is explaining.

[7]

Yet if we all have the same soul - ie equal - does that mean Adolph Hitler or Pol Pot also have pure souls? Posted by: Beau Diddly. | February 02, 2021 at 02:22 PM

Yes

Same for Nero, Caesar, Calligula, Djengiz, Bonaparte,

Thes had all a kind of Epilepsi - it might di;minish the karma somewhat
there is a name for them : "Karma Executioners"

Remarkable on Ausswitz MaharaJi said : God doesn't discriminate
Thes were victims from all times/ages with similar Karma, not typically previously Jews

[The Mad Man from Macon]

If that’s 777, I thought you told us once that you were a murderer in a previous life? Lmao - how do you know that?

But I don’t understand this bit. If all these evil bastards have the same soul how come they so evil and does it mean they can be saved? Could they be SM initiates or not allowed?

[S]

7, you’re right!!! 🤗 we all have pure souls. But our minds/society/circumstances tell us we’re bad and so we believe it and act upon it. If we never forgive ourselves we will never behave the way we should. It’s impossible to be a truly decent behaving person until you forgive yourself. And then you can more easily forgive others.

Besides, what’s in the past is in the past. We learn from it. We change. We grow and we allow ourselves and everyone else to be more selfless.

Sure, sometimes people have to be punished but I really don’t like to word it that way. In truth, we all do things from time to time that we need to correct.

People don’t need to be punished. They need to be corrected and rehabilitated and given the opportunity to change for the better. Of course, sometimes certain individuals need to be put in a situation where they are unable to hurt others. But no one should be treated cruelly.

[S]

If that’s 777, I thought you told us once that you were a murderer in a previous life? Lmao - how do you know that?

But I don’t understand this bit. If all these evil bastards have the same soul how come they so evil and does it mean they can be saved? Could they be SM initiates or not allowed?

Posted by: The Mad Man from Macon | February 03, 2021 at 11:51 AM

No one gets “saved”. We just eventually realize our true nature which is pure. Until we realize what we really are (not this body or personality or name) we can’t be “enlightened”.

Enlightenment is just a big fancy word for realizing you’re not really who or what you think you are.

[S]

If that’s 777, I thought you told us once that you were a murderer in a previous life? Lmao - how do you know that?

But I don’t understand this bit. If all these evil bastards have the same soul how come they so evil and does it mean they can be saved? Could they be SM initiates or not allowed?

Posted by: The Mad Man from Macon | February 03, 2021 at 11:51 AM

Truth is there is only one soul or divine consciousness. Do you think a leaf has a different soul than it’s tree? How do you separate out blades of grass or an earthworm cut in half. We just have different minds. Nobody has a “special soul”. It’s all one consciousness. We only have separate minds.

[S]

Karma, or the law of cause and effect is instant. I don’t know why we get so caught up in analyzing past deeds. But some people preach “karma, karma, karma” to control others. The truth is everything you do has an immediate consequence. Everything you think has an immediate consequence. It just builds interest if you don’t change your behavior and thinking quickly. But you can pay off a debt in one lump sum too.

I don’t understand why people focus so much on karma. Everything is instant. And change can happen in an instant too.

[Is life fair]

Dr. Mike Ryan is pretty cool.

Google him. Watch all his videos. Very informative about COVID and the state of the world.

Here’s one link: https://fb.watch/3spo95CJGB/

[Tim Rimmer]

@S - Truth is there is only one soul or divine consciousness…. We just have different minds. Nobody has a “special soul”. It’s all one consciousness. We only have separate minds.

F’n A, S – I’m with you on that. It’s a body within consciousness rather than consciousness within a body.
All the drama, including notions of separation and reincarnation are mental creations. That’s how I make
sense of it.

[❣ ‼️ David Lane's ; LOYALTY ‼️ ❣ Yes,. . half of a %% ‼️ ❣]

I arrived at the "Loyalty" phrase, Davis was imressed by
and thought right away
Yes is is a little bit better than faquir Chands remark about outright lying

Now when a litle percentage of Satsangis here, and there are so many others
I guess David as well, have no problem with the notion that ,
deeper than th "we are all One", feeling , ; . even understanding, experiencing
that personally, your Soul is God, that You Sir are God, chosing to be temporally without memory and powers,
and in yr life some minor happenings indicating that, not to speak about
serendipities , full giant real impossibilities that happen
mixed with results of meditations and forget not LOVE,
it is
much more than Loyalty after the first week (or hour, minute) as a Sant Sat Guru

David, imaging you were appointed tomorrow by Gurinder
and after you hear that , the Efgar Gayce predicted big one
in California started , and by YOUR consciousness
you save so many ones, friends, others ,. . . . en stop worse, . . .
would't you re-believe : "Charan is God in Human Form

this going together with Ramana's:
" for knowing God , One has to be God," I would add , "One has to Love Him/Her thoroughly "
( little bit as Catholics say about their last Oil Sacrament )

All this mentally is totally undescribable for outsiders
and it is not the fact that some friends in a war , later declare "you were there and saved us"
(faqir in Bagdad)
which stuf is just minor but mega big for/at the receiving end

So it is much more than Loyalty
It is Divine working in humans and strengthening a Guru up to the maximum

When disciples really experience to BE the Shabd and there are many ,. .
what would a SatGuru experience?

That is what I always said about the faqir : judgemental , proving the own status!

Now I will go on where I was
It s really very nice , agreable and again we miss something(s) about ego & pride up to now

777

[Well said, Tim]

@Tim

You wrote:

“All the drama, including notions of separation and reincarnation are mental creations.”

I’m going to put that on a bumper sticker.

Although, personally I believe that the power of the mind is immensely strong. I believe people can come back (not always—some people actually love themselves) because of their own sense of guilt, not because they have. No one has to be here. We just temporarily love guilt and condemnation more than Reality. We are our own judge and jury. And that applies to everything.

—S

[S]

What people don’t understand is that the “LAWS” of the realms of the mind change as quickly as the laws of nations on a earth. These are ALL mental creations because it all falls under the realm of the Mind/unReality. Be careful what you choose to believe because every belief is a choice that stems from your heart.

You fall in love with someone so you adopt their belief system and your mind somehow dishes up all kinds of “proof” that that belief system is right. Or you want to be accepted among a certain class so you gladly welcome their value system and beliefs. The truth is religious and political belief systems are seldom fool proof. If even scientists, “the proof experts”, are constantly disagreeing with each other and changing their beliefs about facts based on new evidence, then we should keep our minds open.

[Wyatt Earp]

If you want to become developed at something, you need to be mentored or guided by someone who knows more. Be it a teacher, artist, professor or guru.

Those who choose false mentors or bad teachers will learn nothing, may even learn completely the wrong things. Those who think they can be self-taught may get a little way if they have natural talent but they’ll never learn from the best, or potentially be able to reach their own best true potential.

It amuses me how confident ppl sound when they spout off their latest spiritual theory or 1-liner with such certainty when they themselves are so completely uncertain and unstable. Clueless.

[*** a saviour figure ***]

@Ullshit
Take care somewhat more
or that Job would be given to you one day or a next life.

So boring, . . start your day with Holy Ghost, Lunch Shabd, each night
Simran, . . no spicy stuff
You think GSD is making 1% of his audience happy, perhaps 99% ?
Then He makes good karma
You think He should close these 20 000 beds spaces
for the needy
waisting his, perhaps your money?
Why He doesn t have a big 30+ harem like RamR and others

77

[S]

It amuses me how confident ppl sound when they spout off their latest spiritual theory or 1-liner with such certainty when they themselves are so completely uncertain and unstable. Clueless.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp | February 08, 2021 at 12:03 AM

You amuse me. Your arrogance is utterly astounding.

Anyway, I can tell you one thing for certain (and really this is all I need to say as far as your path is concerned) when you find yourself crossing Maha Sunn, that is a clear sign you have veered fat away from the straight and narrow. SM is so far right that it’s left. You need to get yourself straight.

And no one can make it without a guide. But a true guide would never lead you “where angels fear to tread” (that’s just a saying from the Bible that means don’t be a complete and utter dumb ass).

There’s nothing funny at all about what you’re doing. It’s very dangerous and foolish.

[S]

*far away (“fat”)

[S]

Wyatt,

What you know about the inner regions is a small slither of unreality. I’m being direct with you because you are so hardheaded and foolish.

You think you’ve experienced the sublime vastness of the inner regions and that you’ve attained great powers which is proof to you that you’ve “Mastered” the path. But the truth is you haven’t even mastered your own mind.

Perhaps you wouldn’t be so clueless if you weren’t so egocentric.

Stop wasting my time with your ridiculously ignorant dogma.

[🌺]

🌈 This is How it works :

What would an All Powerful Being, (God)
( pls assume a few minutes), . . .

beyond time, Self Existing, rather powerful,
possessing everything , . . still need? Yes. NEED . . .

LOVE is the answer, one can never have enough of that.
So S/HE does anything imaginable & un-imaginable
and each resulting quantum or being will transform in LOVE

Next S/HE does nothing than that . . . wow, . . . how long_non_time is this going on already ?

Via Karma(s) it may take long ( many many Big Bangs)
or just flashed ( in a nanosecond)
In All Cases. : the result is fantastic!

You ( Reader here ) are HIM / HER 🌺🌺.🌺 That's what this book denies

Even if one Soul per Galaxy succeeds p. year , this is a Giant Stream
and that' only for this little universe
of Love
Please ask the Google 27 Qubits or
AI_20/500QUBIT IBM Quantum Computer - It will confirm
after first calculation how to open our 4,6 Billion old artificial moon
for the chinese people :-)

Even a stone will transform in Love
can take some time ( or not, . . .

There is just no other place to go!
🙏

[S]

777 you are sincere and a good example of genuine compassion. GP, on the other hand, could turn a saint off from Sant Mat. Maybe deep down inside that is his true intent.

[S]

It’s like a pyramid. There’s a very narrow point at the highest point where you can safely cross. If you find yourself crossing the void, you’ve gone too far left or right. Actually, only the very center and up is safe.

If you find a guide who is capable enough to take you across the void, all I can say is they mean well but are wasting a lot of time... among other things.

You’ve only seen a slither of what’s there and yet you think you’ve found the holy grail. Not so. And yes, I am 100% certain. I know.

[🌺🌺🌺 @S <> Eternal Orgasm? 🌺🌺🌺]

@7

I'm only good in theory!
Further, I needed 3 Saints for initiation ( in 3 lives )
4th needing to come as I was told in Northern London, ASAP

Anyway it's faster than a few or even so many big bangs
before learning the compassion lesson thoroughly .

This is all due to ( thank U Eve,. . NOT So, . . :-) )
the first STEAK later by the mafia_priests called an APPLE

The only Compassionates are those who know ( by BEING) God
and we try tiny bits , but at least we are vegetarians.
The joly advantage is : our time is not hyper long
as worded in my little piece above.
Best is to ask repetively for tangable Love ( Shabd )
because as GSD recently reminded us
It is the O N L Y thing that forgives, wipes_out bad karmas.

Myself, . . I m not sure to have co-invented this chaurasi game!
It's harsh - HE/SHE does it to HIM/HER self
It's above comprehension
Above the best minds in their books from countless universes piled up

Might be 'time' to end it and 'pause' , . . invent something new hahahah
hahaha say the Saints, . . . U try!

I hope to have answered as precise as possible here
How about eternal Orgasm? -
You sighn in for that?

777

[S]

@777

“Eternal orgasm”? You should be in marketing. Lol

[🌺🌺🌺 @S <>next 🌺🌺🌺]

Next L

[CenterPoint]

The fact is we have free will. The irony is we’re supposed to use that free will to live in the Lord’s will.

[Kiss kiss bang bang]

You know when you sit in meditation you’re technically going back in time... back to where it all began. Big Bang.

Quantumly speaking

[Jen]

One of my favourite youtube channels for many years watching "The Lion Whisperer" who lives in South Africa and has all sorts of animals who have plenty of space to roam who have been reared since they were young. This is a short video called Black Leopards Super Senses.

Black Leopards Super Senses | The Lion Whisperer
Mar 13, 2021 (7:36)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKMPerEYSE

[🌸 🌼 @Appreciating Reader -SHOULD Mystics really prove it ? . 🌼.🌸]

@S
Meditation doesn burn bad karmas
Only LOVE does that
because when the hurted party isn"t in the fleshanymore, so is unable to forgive you

the Creator will then bypass his Law and compensate him/her on your behalf
without Kal (time) knowing it

and proper meditation can generate that Love

BTW

@Appreciating Reader
The entire article and your long comments talk of about subjective hearsay
Right, . . . nothing can not be checked, I agree'
Even your own experiences, revelations can"t be objectively checked

Not even with the words because that's only for the acting individual
But there is One exception :

MULTIPOSITIONING
Other people present can than confirm
I gave around 12 occasions of them over the years here including some serendipities
like tilt TV screens giving a message
and even those real material happenings stay personal

All while the Guru materialized Himself or appropriated stuff

I find God does a clever Job , . . not exposing HIM/HERself not being exhibitionistic
but being So active from time 2 time

777

[Appreciative Reader]

Quote 777:

"Even your own experiences, revelations can"t be objectively checked

Not even with the words because that's only for the acting individual
But there is One exception :

MULTIPOSITIONING"

-------

Hello, 777. Nice to hear from you again! Last time I'd read your comments, you'd mentioned your ailments -- I hope that is under control now?

As far as your specific comment, the gist of which would be what I've quoted above, here's my take:

If I'm taking a walk in the hills, and flaming bushes started talking to me, and told me that the river that flows by my house would part and that I'd be able to walk across the river, then, if that did happen, that would be a bona fide revelation, and my visions bona fide mystic vision. If the burning bush told me all of that, and nothing happened as far as that river, then that would be a hallucination plain and simple. And if the burning bush told me all of that, and nothing happened to the river, but some other people also saw and heard the bush saying the same thing, then that would, tentatively, qualify as mass hallucination, albeit meriting further investigation.

See Spence's comment, in that thread you mention, about that ancient Greek's -- whose name I forget -- visions about a spheroid earth. That too I guess would qualify as bona fide mystical vision, given that that Greek dude probably knew about a heliocentric cosmology -- that is, it would qualify as bona fide mystical vision provided one could vouch for such having actually happened, which I doubt can be done.

And of course, it doesn't necessarily have to be something as dramatic as the waters parting to make way for me, it could just as well be commonplace things, as long as such visions could be validated, and found to be statistically more frequent than plain happenstance.

I'm saying, in theory at least, there's no reason why mystical visions shouldn't admit of validation and verification.

Of course, if these visions are of some other dimension, or some other point in time, or something like that that simply cannot be validated, well then I suppose you can either dismiss it entirely, like some do; or else very qualifiedly take it at face value, and find it of interest, but nevertheless don't actually buy into it; or else you could choose to fully believe all of that. Your call I guess, which of the three you'd opt for.

-------

"some serendipities
like tilt TV screens giving a message"

I don't think I've come across that comment of yours, about the TV screen message thing.

Would you link to where you'd made that comment, in case you have that readily accessible? I'd like to check out what that was about.

(No issues if don't have the link, or aren't able to easily get back to that comment. Please don't trouble yourself over this.)

Take care, 777. :---)

[777]

Hi again
I'll try the seachbox here and will be back
Have a n ice day

Anyway - : I was writing here some answer and thought : "That was well done"
Ai the same time the TV was on an english movie with dutch under-titling
but my wife who followed that movie was gone
While having the thought "well done' the TV stopped and showed
"You are just a messenger" in the dutch text line
On tilt they say

I took my phone and made a photo
Next offered here to mail that image
but nobody reacted

It is the most simple item I described here
Other serendipities are more impressive

After all everything is sbjective but not certain substantial happenings

Have a good day

777

[Appreciative Reader]

Dear 777,

Please don't trouble yourself over finding that link. I only wanted to know what kind of thing you were talking about here. And your own account of those events, that you've posted above, does that perfectly well.

Thanks for posting that for me here.

I've often seen you write about what you describe as your serendipities here, but I don't remember having actually read your specific accounts -- or if I have, then it slips my mind now.

As I understand it, you'd been watching TV, specifically a show with subtitles, and, while doing that, came across -- either as one of those subtitles, or else separately blazoned across the screen -- the message that you're a messenger. And you took that as some kind of personal message, for you, from the beyond.

Well, I can think of a number of entirely mundane explanations for something like this. But it's okay, it isn't my intention to argue the specificities of your own experiences here, and if you choose to interpret that as some serendipitious message from the beyond, then no doubt you have your reasons. I only wanted to know what kind of thing you were talking about here.

Cheers, 777. Good to interact with you again here, after what has been a good while. Stay safe!