Thanks for calling the Spiritual Surrender support line. How may I help you today?
Well, I've heard a lot about the benefit of surrendering to a higher power. Isn't that how some addicts get off drugs and alcohol? I think it is. Anyway, i've got quite a few problems -- who doesn't these days -- and I'm wondering if some sort of spiritual surrender is right for me.
Excellent. You've come to the right place. We specialize in helping people like you. Let's start with me asking you a few questions.
OK. Do you have an idea of who, or what, you'd like to surrender to?
I'm open to suggestions. Some possibilities I've been toying with are God, or maybe a guru. I like the idea of letting some higher power handle my problems instead of me having to deal with them on my own.
Fine. Do you believe in God? More specifically, are you sure that God exists? And if so, that God is willing and able to take on your problems?
I sort of believe in God. I mean, I was raised to believe in God, but I've got to admit that there's no proof God is real. I just hope this is true.
A lot of people who call us say the same thing, so you're in good company. However, I need to ask if you would feel comfortable handing your problems over to a being who might not be real. Wouldn't this lessen your confidence in undertaking a spiritual surrender?
I guess so, now that you mention it. But what if I felt better turning my problems over to a higher power, like God, whether or not that power actually existed? Sure seems like this would be better than the anxiety I'm feeling now, being unsure what to do a lot of the time.
You make some good points. Consider this, though. We want to make sure that you get the best spiritual surrender that meets your needs at the lowest possible cost, ideally for free. So if you're good with turning your problems over to a God who may not exist, aren't you really content with turning your problems over to yourself, to a part of your own mind?
Hmmmm. I need to think about that. Give me a few moments... [pause] Yes, I guess you're right. What I want is the relaxed feeling of not having to worry about my problems so much. How that happens doesn't really matter to me. I just want to lessen my worrying.
Great. We're making progress. I'm getting a better understanding of your situation. Now, you mentioned the possibility of surrendering to a guru. Tell me more about this notion.
I have a couple of friends who follow a guru. They got a secret mantra to repeat that's supposed to connect them with the inner guru. Then, they tell me, the inner guru guides them when they have a problem in their life. That sounds cool to me.
It does indeed. But how can they, or you, be sure that the guru is really doing the guiding? Isn't this just like you not being sure that God exists, yet you hope this is true? If you turned your problems over to a guru, what makes you think the guru actually is capable of handling your problems?
Well, I couldn't be sure about that. I just would feel better if I turned my problems over to a guru whether or not... Wait, I'm repeating myself. That's what I just said about God -- that it doesn't matter if a higher power is real, so long as I worry less by surrendering to it.
Exactly. What you say you want is to not worry so much about your problems. Maybe, just maybe, your best approach would be to simply... do you see what I'm getting at here?
To simply not worry so much about my problems, right?
Right. Something to consider, at least. Let's leave things like this. Give us a call back if you still have questions about spiritually surrendering. From what you've told me, I think your best bet is to surrender to yourself -- hand your problems over to a part of you that will say, "No need to worry; just deal with your problems without worrying about them."
Thanks. You've helped a lot. I have a feeling this will be my first and last call to you.
@ I think your best bet is to surrender to yourself -- hand your problems over to a part of you
@ that will say, "No need to worry; just deal with your problems without worrying about them."
Excellent advice. For those whose worries linger, you could try a path of
mindfulness too. Many, if not most worries, disappear when awareness
registers their presence within. That's more likely when mindful. It reduces
the "duh" count induced by chaotic thought. Has other health benefits as
But, others may find a guru and a mantra helpful. An external prop can be
enormously advantageous. You can even disagree with, curse, revile,
blame one's own shortcomings on that "damned phony, money-grubbing"
fake guru. A love- hate object. Ironically, the true mystics don't object to
that at all. It's part of growth. You're identifying your field of grievances at
least and can always move on to a hipper path too if a guru wears out his
Ultimately, the mystic says you realize the stage actor guru was in fact a
prop but an essential one for most in the beginning. Don't get it? I don't
see it either. But, it doesn't matter what you believe really. It's the
experiences and satisfaction you get by following the practice that matter.
Not words carved in stone. Or even speeches delivered from a dais.
Posted by: Dungeness | January 25, 2021 at 01:25 AM
a galton board explains what mystics say .... hahahaha
Posted by: um | January 25, 2021 at 09:40 AM
No need to believe in a God or a guru. If we become the watcher, looking down on this body from a higher self, without judgment, simply observing in a quiet and balanced manner, life becomes more peaceful and effortless. Its almost like we find a different perspective of ourself and life and are more sensitive and at the same time more calm because we have some kind of balance when we are simply the observer.
Posted by: Jen | January 25, 2021 at 01:48 PM
Surrender, now where did that idea come from?. Ahhh I know where, a fake guru clown. I remember it clearly in a satsang, (the so called fake company of truth) that you should surrender everything to the guru - your wealth, you mind, body, soul. You sacrifice your life, your relations with your family, and put this guru and his seva ( slavery) as top priority. Now, do you think GSD surrendered everything to charan? Looking at the evidence he did the complete opposite, as he rapped Charans grandsons of every penny they had and they took the fall, while the real mole is Scott free. This is what you get for surrendering to a narcissist. This is what you get with RSSB, which is hell bent on power and expansion at the expense of truth.
Posted by: Dragon slayer | January 25, 2021 at 01:53 PM
@ No need to believe in a God or a guru. If we become the watcher,...
Many agree. But it's easier to go astray too without some
nominal guidance. Mindfulness is easy to grasp but difficult
to practice correctly. Just consider the multitudes of the
RSSB initiates who complain of no progress after decades.
(Of course, for many of the long suffering jihadists on the
CofC blog, the reason is fraudulence and the answer is
always "Lock him up". )
Posted by: Dungeness | January 25, 2021 at 08:01 PM
Surrender that's GSDs favorite line. LOL
Ask the Singh brothers who surrendered they're loyalty to this criminal Baba and lost it all
If GSD had it his way we would all be broke!
Its another name for a parasitic religious leech like GSD to suck you up dry.
Ask GSD to surrender something and he will tell you where to go.
And so should we all.
Get Lost GSD you creep!!!
Posted by: manoj | February 02, 2021 at 07:55 AM