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November 16, 2020


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Mechanical, logical, sequential, mathematics, science, control. That isn’t a sentence but I put a period after it anyway.

Creative, imaginative, crazy, free, fiction, fun.. Again, not a sentence and I put two periods after it.

If only Dr. Seuss had written a book on philosophy.

I have to turn in a paper on Karl Marx tomorrow. I think humans for the most part adopt beliefs that give them a sense of control or feeling of safety. Sometimes these beliefs are grounded in reality and sometimes they’re not. Control. There are so many rules in academia that I like to violate them as much as possible when I’m not doing school work.

Anyway, Wittgenstein... how nice. :)

He wasn’t exactly a poet. Nonetheless, his contribution is noted.

Did not Wittgenstein write!?:
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

IMO that means that the reality as a whole is other than can be described with language and language can only describe a part of it.

That part is related to the senses, brain and nature, in the form of culture.

God in heaven ... is the only way of saying that there is something and it exists somewhere, like man recides on earth and has a place to live. How would one otherwise convey such an thing?

Many or maybe most concepts have no reality in the sense that it can be seen, touched , smelled.

Science, hypothesis, courage, love, inteligence, democracy, politics, republicans, socialism, kapitalisme, hystory etc etc etc etc. Boundries do not exist but in the mind, like homeland and fighting for these things that are abstract.

In nature there is no culture and if nature is the relity, all culture is FAKE to speak with your president, peace be upon him.

Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

“If you and I are to live religious lives, it mustn't be that we talk a lot about religion, but that our manner of life is different. It is my belief that only if you try to be helpful to other people will you in the end find your way to God.”
― Ludwig Wittgenstein

Just because something is not empirically verifiable does not mean that it is wrong. Albert Einstein wrote about this mysticism:
“The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and most radiant beauty - which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive form - this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of all religion.”

You do not have to be religious or believe in God to be a mystic. In 1959 I was introduced to mysticism by Nobel astrophysicist Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar. He was an atheist who once wrote:
"God is man's greatest invention."

First heard the name Wittgenstein from Bruce the Aussie:

‘…. Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as sloshed as Schlegel….’ :-)

I get the point that a type of clearer language is required. One that cuts out ‘erroneous’ use particularly in regard to metaphysical concepts. It’s interesting that for the Vienna Circle such concepts are described as fundamental. Do we mean fundamental to metaphysics or in a more general sense? I.e. they are considered basic to civilisation so to speak? And what are the rules of language? Who made them and for what language?

This got me wondering about the intertwining of language and thought. How our life experience relates to language. Are not our minds and sense of self created out of the dialogue (language) going on inside our heads? Much of this is discursive – probably less connected to clear thinking than it is to such things as memory remnants of major events, childhood traumas, images, social conditioning etc.

Another thing concerns how language achieves social conditioning. For example, business terminology – ‘targeting markets’, ‘trophy houses’, talking about people as ‘social capital’ or describing a business network as an ‘ecosystem’. Examples of language being taken out of its original context to further a particular world view/cultural norm.

I guess what I’m saying is that we really need to get a grip on our thinking and how it is culturally and discursively constructed before we can get hold of what Wittgenstein is on about.

As a final comment re culture and language, I return to Australia to a ‘story’ about the early contact Aboriginal people had with the first Europeans. Some say it’s a bit of a myth like the Hundredth Monkey Story… It’s about Aboriginal fishermen not noticing the arrival of European sailing ships. One interpretation is that they did not PERCEIVE them because nothing in their culture/language recognised/described them.
My point: just because we don’t have the right word for something doesn’t mean it’s not there.
Best wishes


😯 that was somewhat profound... I think I just created a few new synapses in my brain while reading that.

Now I’m going to turn on telly and see who Trump fired today. 🙄😒😖

You can test this statement in afterlife " The blogger will be dead / not alive by 2200 AD " . You cant argue with a cunning liar even if he pretends to be a great blogger.

Hey S
Ha Ha - I reckon some synaptic enhancement happened to me too!
If you didn't make the connection with the the starting quote see this:https://youtu.be/l9SqQNgDrgg

I had a synapse once, but I'm feeling better now. LOL

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