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July 08, 2020

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Yes, these deaths are unbearably sad. To me the suffering that these individuals go through being put on ventilators in the hospital, gasping for air with high fever knowing they may likely die soon from a disease that our government could have and should have done more to prevent is equally unbearable.

This virus is raging.

Live Updates: Fauci says states with major outbreaks should “seriously look at shutting down again”

This is exactly why we are in this mess again. Putting this on the states instead of federally mandating measures to control the spread of the virus is virtually useless. Many people live and work in a tri state area. Many drive an hour across state lines to go to work each day. Are Connecticut, New Jersey and New York all on the same page?? I would hope so considering the a great number of the people working in NYC commute in from CT and NJ each day.

This debate of federal vs state responsibility is so insane I can’t believe it’s actually a discussion point. But sadly it is.

“More than 62,000 new infections were reported Wednesday, including 9,979 in Texas, where one doctor warned that the state “is on a collision course with a viral iceberg."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/coronavirus/

"The life each of us is living now is infinitely precious, because it will never come again.
Each moment is a unique one-of-a-kind. It won't ever recur. Once gone, that's it."

I will be 75 this year and am struggling to accept death because I will miss my three beloved sons who are middle aged now. If there is no such thing as reincarnation there does not seem to be any point in life. We are born, we live, we die. To accept that death is eternal and there is no after life makes me so sad.

Dame Vera Lynn with West End Stars perform We’ll Meet Again 2020

"The date is June 18th 2020. I listen to this with sorrow on hearing the news that the wonderful Dame Vera Lynn passed away this morning at the grand old age of 103."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTWy9jim7Mw

How can an ‘atheist’ feel the ‘primal fear of non-existence’?

One of the hallmarks of an atheist Is that there is no afterlife. That’s it, lights out.

I can understand an atheist fearing:
1) the painful process of dying,
2) the loss of attachments to loved ones;
3) the joys of being alive.

But a true atheist shouldn’t even fear the ‘unknown‘, let alone ‘‘non-existence’.

How can an ‘atheist’ feel the ‘primal fear of non-existence’?

One of the hallmarks of an atheist Is that there is no afterlife. That’s it, lights out.

I can understand an atheist fearing:
1) the painful process of dying,
2) the loss of attachments to loved ones;
3) the joys of being alive.

But a true atheist shouldn’t even fear the ‘unknown‘, let alone ‘‘non-existence’.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | July 10, 2020 at 10:59 AM

I’m not an atheist but I think I can answer your questions.

How can an ‘atheist’ feel the ‘primal fear of non-existence’?

>> Because that’s just it—it’s a Primal fear. That Primal Fear is what keeps people alive. It’s exactly why someone doesn’t just commit suicide willy-nilly. There’s such a strong desire to survive automatically built into humans that one has to be out of their right mind to want to die before it’s their time. Even a Believer is uneasy about death for various reasons. It’s part of what keeps us alive.>>

But a true atheist shouldn’t even fear the ‘unknown‘, let alone ‘‘non-existence’.

>

Like I said, suicide is not the “selfish act” that many believe it to be. When a person commits suicide they are in so much pain and so far out of their right minds that they truly believe the world would be better off without them. It’s a “crazy” state of mind. It’s normal and it’s hell. People don’t do rational things when they get into that dark of a space.

I’m not saying atheists’ view towards death is the same thing as a suicidal person’s view towards death. Not at all. I’m just trying to point out that the Will to Survive is so strongly build into the DNA of all living creatures that it keeps most people going despite the absolute worst of circumstances. As long as their mind is right.

The inherent Will to Survive is what keeps a species alive in a world like this.

*meant to say it’s NOT normal (the desire to die). A person is NOT in their right mind when they do such a thing like attempt suicide. It’s almost like an evil dark cloud is floating around them. The person isn’t evil but the darkness is.

My comment has nothing to do with suicide.

Suicide is a selfish act if you are otherwise healthy and have loved ones that care for you. I cannot imagine any worse pain for a parent and in particular a mother to suffer. You potentially condemn others to a life of misery, agonizing and wondering what they could have done differently. It’s the most self-indulgent self-pitying self-absorbed act there is.

I don’t think you can answer my questions at all.

You’re not an atheist, not even close. It’s even questionable if you are mentally stable, as I’m sure you’ll admit, let alone rationale.

My father is an atheist. He doesn’t fear death at all. It’s light out. Beddy-by sleep time.

If you don’t believe anything exists apart from this material existence and there is no afterlife - why would you fear anything after you are dead?

It’s completely illogical.

This fear only makes sense if you are not an atheist, rather you are an agnostic or actually do believe in an afterlife.

I’m not saying the atheist view is right. I personally believe otherwise, and that there’s more to it all (a lot more) than our meager earthly existence.

It’s more I’m looking for the consistency. If you are an authentic atheist what part of death could you possibly fear?

If you are an atheist (Hinesy), which you (Sonia-kins) are not, why would an atheist fear death at all?

Georgy, Georgy... did run out of marmite?

Wow, Georgy. I struggle with how to respond... 🤔

First of all, I’ve always been an open book (polar opposite to you). I could probably take all of my stupid comments and create an autobiography.

Secondly, I did say that I was not comparing atheism to suicide. I was simply pointing out how strong the Will to Live is built into humans. The Will to Live was my whole point.

Thirdly, yes I’m crazy but you are completely out of your mind. Besides, I’m an “addictive” kind of crazy. (That’s what my friends/family tell me). My crazy keeps life interesting. Your crazy is just plain predictable. So, not as much fun.

And fourthly, I’m truly very sorry if you lost a loved one to suicide.

This fear only makes sense if you are not an atheist, rather you are an agnostic or actually do believe in an afterlife.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | July 12, 2020 at 12:52 AM

Since it doesn’t look like anyone else is going to answer you on this, let me just say all animals fear death even though they have no mental construct of a God or afterlife.

Our fear of death is what keeps us alive. That may sound very basic but it’s true.

I know plenty of people who believe they’re going to heaven when they die yet are still afraid of death. Now, THAT is illogical. The only logic or rationale (although, according to you I’m no expert on either) is that there’s something innate within each person and animal in this creation that pushes them to fight for survival at any cost. If we didn’t have this quality entrenched in every cell of our being, then this planet would probably be just another uninhabited rock orbiting the sun.

Sorry I’m not helping you make your point. I realize you weren’t really looking for a sincere answer in the first place, but since I’m feeling temporarily mentally stable, thought I’d impart some words of wisdom that will hopefully penetrate that rock hard casing around your brain.

Hi Brian,

Just had a look at the "Death and the primal fear of non-existence...2006". Like a walk down memory lane, remembering some of the names of the commenters, Tucson, tAo, Roger, Moongoes, Mike Williams, the elephant. Just wondering if some of them are still posting here under different names?

Also, just want to say thank you. So happy I found CofC so many years ago and have really learned a lot from you and all the other different and interesting opinions from the posters.

Cheers
Jen

Brian you might like this guys view.He is very interesting...
https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/eo1rnv/how_to_be_an_astral_parasite/

Brian you might like this guys view.He is very interesting...
https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/eo1rnv/how_to_be_an_astral_parasite/

Posted by: Jim | July 19, 2020 at 10:09 AM

No offense, Jim, but that was about the most insane thing I’ve read in a long time.

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