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June 30, 2020

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One death is too many. But I’d rather live through COVID-19 than the Spanish flu. Science and Medicine are light years ahead of where they were 100 years ago. So, despite how bleak it may seem, we’re improving in some ways.

I asked someone about GSD having cancer and they said it isn’t as serious this time.

Science and Medicine are improving...

If they could get humans to stop using animals for food and polluting the earth we’d be golden.

@Sonia
I tthink youtube_search
666, 5th Avenue NY
is more clear

there is also MS's patent 060606 on nano RFID chips

although this voodoo_magic alister crowly related has some strength
it's ALL from the low low so low astral/etherical bull shit emanations

Seth Shiv Dayal cq Gurinder's Stuff is so endlessly higher and more powerful
One can only know by seeing This - seeing= experimenting and being flabbergasted

777

Sonia what’s the source of your Medical information on the master? Are you certain you are speaking accurately?

GSD's youngest son Gurkirat just had a baby girl in the UK.
It's probable he went there to see her, since Shabnam Dhillon isn't around anymore.

In search of/Amar
Your back with your comments. Good to see you mate. How have you been? Haven’t seen you in a while. Looks like you went back to “in search of”? How’s the searching?

Hi Other Jen. I haven't gone anywhere. I've been reading Brian's blog and the comments religiously, pun intended. I've been reading the books Brian comments about and trying to create a quietness and calmness in my life. Lifelong struggle but worth the effort and journey.

Hope everyone is enjoying a safe summer!

In search of
Nice. Stillness and calmness is a great goal to have. Hope all is well on your end.
Thanks for the information you shared about the Master and the birth of his granddaughter. Just confirm your information before you share something that’s untrue and also just think about all the information you shared about him over the past few years, what if it’s accuracy is the same as this one? Perhaps it’s worth giving it some thought. That’s a lot of assumptions made based on a false narrative. 🤔
Stay safe and healthy.

Other Jen, we won't know what the real story is until it's gone through the courts. Even then we probably won't have all of it. We can take things and twist them anyway one wants to fit the narrative we seek to justify, that goes for both sides.
In my journey over the last 2 years, I've had to reconcile my own faith, beliefs and attachments to RSSB teachings and try to inject some semblance of critical thought into it.
For someone like me born into it and basically indoctrinated into it, it's a slippery, muddy hill to climb. Someone who hasn't had to do that won't understand.
We all regret things we said and did in the past, as long as we learn from them and make adjustments for the better, that's all we can try and do.

Other Jen,

Dera residents said he went to U.K. for treatment. But I’m an empath so I happen to know he will be fine. I “know things”. :)

Amar I understand you more than anyone else as just like you I too was born into a satsangi family. I was initiated (by my own choice) at an early age and have lived most of my life following the path.i Too have injected much critical thought into what I grew up knowing and believing. Started Reading up on this website from Brian, David lane, Faqir chand and other lines of RS teachings. Plus other critical thinkers like Sam Harris, Dawkins, Dillahunty among a few. So I am very aware of your journey as I travelled the same way.
Point is just think about your source of information... as the latest “fact” you so confidently presented is far from true. If that be the case perhaps all the other accusations you have been throwing around for the last 2 years have the same accuracy.
Take care

I may seem really harsh at times but I’m pretty tuned into other people’s feelings—emotional and physical. So I happen to know that health-wise he’ll be fine. And yes, he has a new granddaughter in the U.K. A friend even sent me a pic (I have a whole network of spies 😂).

He’s been sick for a long time but didn’t realize it. But it’s not serious anymore.

@777

Did you know 140,000 divided by 666 is 210.210210?

That represents Gevurah "the essence of judgment (DIN) and limitation", and corresponds to awe and the element of fire.

If you’re familiar with the New Testament book of Revelations, that’s kind of funny.

Revelations should have been omitted from the Bible without question.

Sorry, I’m foggy right now. It’s 144,000 divided by 666 = 216.216216

216 is the number related to Gevurah.

Same intent. Just typed the numbers wrong.

And it’s really ironic for all those who believe “144,000” are chosen.

Other Jen,

He is in the U.K. which “fact” of In Search of it’s are you questioning?

Maybe he went there solely for treatments but I’m sure he’s enjoying seeing the first baby girl in his family, Shakruna.

All children are beautiful.

If babies weren’t so adorable who would bother with them. Lol. They’re a lot of work! That was part of God’s design—making babies crazy adorable.

Sonia you too need to examine your spies. Ha I find it amusing that so much is presented as a fact very confidently from many commenters here which are far from being factual. 🤷🏼‍♀️ That’s all I will say on this matter.

My brother had open heart surgery last Friday (8 days ago). It was very serious. He’s 8 years younger than me and his heart capacity was at 55% by the time he had his surgery (it was a HIGE concern of mine) but he’s home now and doing really well. Oddly he was given a new valve—cutting edge—that I saw in a magazine article at the Dera in 2016 from a Singapore magazine. I wanted to steal the magazine and take it home but didn’t have the opportunity to. Lol. Anyway, he got the latest, most advanced treatment with a world renowned heart surgeon. He was/is very lucky even though the recovery process is still very painful.

I mentioned yesterday, that we have advanced light years over the past century in medicine and science.

People shouldn’t get too depressed with regards to this current epidemic. In theory it really and truly should have been much, much worse. But we, as a global society, have stepped to the plate. Not perfectly, but certainly far better than our ancestors fared 100 years ago. It’s phenomenal. It really is. So, when you feel things are bleak, just remember that they’re not. We’re doing great considering...

I truly believe there’s more “light” in the world now. You can translate that as intellectual or spiritual or both. But overall, we are much better off than any previous generation faced with such a challenge.

I hope that helps some of you to sleep better at night.

OK, Jen... maybe he doesn’t know. That’s OK. There’s so much that all of us are unaware of.

I know what I know. It doesn’t matter what other people think. “The lord works in mysterious ways.”

Even for Mystics much remains a mystery.

Anyway, I could say a lot more but that’s all I will say on this matter too.

Gosh, you’re welcome.

Can’t you tell in his Q&As that he hasn’t been feeling 100%?? He’s been extremely tired.

Thank God Georgy isn’t here to send me over the edge anymore. Where do they find people like him??? Of course, he might still be commenting on I Hate Church of the Churchless but I don’t dare venture there.

It’s people like that (most likely posting on behalf of RSSB) that do their level best to make you think the guru is a complete lunatic. They’re not helping the cause that they’re trying to defend AT ALL.

Anyone who claims to NOT be an initiate and sings the praises of RSSB and GSD on THIS site is bonkers or a plant. The latter is most likely true.

Seriously, do you think that approach is actually convincing???

With “20+ million” followers and one thousand plus REL subsidiaries how can anyone possibly know what the truth is? Could they possibly make things anymore complicated??? (That’s rhetorical. The answer is obviously no, they couldn’t complicate things more if they tried.)

Good luck. I can’t wait for the docu series to come out on this... I’m sure it will get 100% on the tomato 🍅 meter.

Hi Sonia my writing style is masculine? Not sure what that means. mP is ok many things are closed because of the pandemic but the weather is perfect. I have no idea about Petaluma.
Interesting how you predict how many years anyone has left on this earth. Im turning 44 this month. I could only have today left. And by the way, I have no stress so who knows about these things.🤷🏼‍♀️

My Dad’s turning 77 next Sunday. He’ll live forever... funny 66,44,77 (Are you a Leo too?).

I’m not predicting anyone’s death. That was a joke. Personally, I don’t believe the day of one’s death is predestined.

It seems all my relatives have lived waaaaaay past their expiry date. 77 is young in my family. Lol

I will say I’m a bit jealous of the weather you’re having. I could literally live in a tent if I was given the opportunity. Or the majority of my time on a screened in porch. There’s nothing quite like fresh air and nature. Big houses and buildings are way overrated. Every truly beautiful home is more of a garden than a roof and walls and ventilation. It doesn’t cost much either. (Just don’t need the bugs.)


"So please, feel free to continue believing in dinosaurs. I like to picture them as pink and fluffy with squeaky voices, you?"

manjit,

Indeed, the element of surprise! Who'd expect creatures so girlish imposing a reign of terror 80 million years long?

Are we truly in Kali Yuga? Sri Yukteswar figured we're already three centuries into Dwapara Yuga, having exited Kali Yuga in 1699. Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev too, but he places us 2,522 years into Dwapara Yuga with Treta Yuga only 70 years away.

I lean toward Sri Yukteswar in that the year 1699 corresponds broadly with the Scientific Revolution, the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution, utterly transforming life on Earth. Newton published Principia Mathematica in 1686.

On the other hand, Sadhguru might be right, because it's not hard to imagine the need for big advances in only 70 years.

I highly doubt you question things any more than me, especially with the beliefs you have (many of which I find completely wierd and just plain NS to be honest). My more rational background makes me skeptical about virtually everything (which undoubtedly hamstrings me spiritually).

Buy hey believe what you must. If it makes you feel better about yourself, I won’t interfere. I get the feeling you’re more about telling yourself warm fuzzy stories and believing, rather than wanting the truth warts and all. Big difference. No kissy kissy kum ba yah group hugs for me. If it helps you, good, but I don’t think it does. Just my opinion.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | July 01, 2020 at 11:14 PM

I’m not afraid to question. I’m not afraid to admit when I’m wrong either. And I’m not afraid of what other people think—if I flip flop it’s because I question and then question my questioning. It’s a process. We all process differently.

For the record (based on one of your unpublished comments) I don’t have a bf. I’ve been married for 20 years. And if you asked my husband he’d tell you it’s only love that keeps us together. If he didn’t completely love me he would have left a long time ago. You can look at that however you want. I’m not All Bad. People who are “All Bad” aren’t lovable. Not lovable enough to stick with for 20 years anyway...

And I never blamed my dad. I don’t go to AA (yes I did briefly a while ago) and I’m anything but suicidal. I’m pretty happy actually. You don’t seem very happy. And most importantly, you don’t know me from Adam.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | July 01, 2020 at 11:14 PM

I’m not afraid to question. I’m not afraid to admit when I’m wrong either. And I’m not afraid of what other people think—if I flip flop it’s because I question and then question my questioning. It’s a process. We all process differently.

For the record (based on one of your unpublished comments) I don’t have a bf. I’ve been married for 20 years. And if you asked my husband he’d tell you it’s only love that keeps us together. If he didn’t completely love me he would have left a long time ago. You can look at that however you want. I’m not All Bad. People who are “All Bad” aren’t lovable. Not lovable enough to stick with for 20 years anyway...

And I never blamed my dad. I don’t go to AA (yes I did briefly a while ago) and I’m anything but suicidal. I’m pretty happy actually. You don’t seem very happy. And most importantly, you don’t know me from Adam.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Posted by: Sonia | August 02, 2020 at 09:36 PM

And believe me, I know what it’s like to stick with someone for the sole reason that you love them. You start questioning your own sanity for staying in a relationship when everything points to “its time to go”. Love is stupid sometimes. It’s not always blind, sometimes it’s just really stupid. You stick around for no sane rational reason.

Yeah, that’s a lot of fun... talk about karma.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | July 01, 2020 at 11:14 PM

I don’t think you’ve ever truly loved anyone in your entire life.

I’m also glad you can’t respond.

"How do you know I'm not a fraud?"
"How do you know I'm not a fraud?"Some know this better than HE Himself
(All illusion is fraud, . . some like-able)

777

"How do you know I'm not a fraud?"
"How do you know I'm not a fraud?"Some know this better than HE Himself
(All illusion is fraud, . . some like-able)

777

Posted by: 🌜🌞 777 💥💖 | August 03, 2020 at 01:26 PM

I’m not sure exactly what you mean but I do know that all of this is heartbreaking. To invest so many years with a guru who you believed was a perfect Master/GIHF/your best friend. It’s devastating. Why can’t he just clear his name? Why does he seem to keep getting deeper and deeper into karmic debt?

Is it because he’s powerless over a force more powerful than him?

I looked up the names we are given to use in Simran.
Jyot Niranjan means Lucifer/Satan... Who you gonna call?

I looked up the names we are given to use in Simran.
Jyot Niranjan means Lucifer/Satan... Who you gonna call?
Posted by: Jen | August 03, 2020 at 07:49 PM

Yeeeeah... the Sikhs really dislike the Radhasoamis and that’s high up on their list of criticisms. They say the 5 names Satsangis use are the names associated with Kal or the negative power. Actually he’s the power you’d want to go to if you’re interested in worldly things like money, fame, sex... etc.

Jen,

I found this online from a blogger:

“KAL IS WATCHING YOU !
Like other spiritual teachings Rahasoami knows a big personification of all evil forces, the KAL Niranjan , the lord of time(Kala - niranjan is also a name of Shiva), who had fallen off because he had his own plans and wanted to have his own ''loka'' - Satpurush became angry about that and created the lower planes out of him ( where erverything is foreordained..... so even the fall of niranjan ?).

(But, as Guru Huzur admitted, hiddenly Radhasoami works in all things). This KAL is similar to the fallen Lucifer Satanas of Jacob Lorber, who was thrown down into the lower worlds after a hard examination by the lord for ''true godlove''.

Only the Jainism knows a similar cosmic Lokapurusha .

In reality this is the result of the various forces of Maya under the influence of the atmic light and then indirect of KALA, the time, ie. the four lower planes of hinduism, with Rudra and Kali as the personification of the evil on the buddhic or causal plane.”

(a little disturbing to say the least)

They probably should have been a little more choosey when selecting names. Although maybe that’s where the focus is and part of the reason RSSB has expanded so rapidly with massive facilities all over India and abroad.

It’s interesting how people have described vastly different but very powerful stories about the current guru. Some say they literally feel like they’re transported to a powerful state of spiritual bliss in his presence and on the extreme opposite end some say they feel a terrible dread in his presence. I heard stories from some of Charan Singh’s initiates who describes this “dread” when they were standing very close to GSD soon after he was made guru.

Then of course there are the numerous Satsangis who get up in front of the Master at evening Q&As at Dera and ask him why they feel absolutely nothing. They describe it as no love but don’t associate it with fear.

The answer I’m sure has more to do with the nature of projection.

Or it could be a sixth sense. I’m no expert. 🤷‍♀️ But I personally believe he’s extremely psychic. Nothing more than that though.

Jyot means “light”.

Seems all the major religions and cults have passed on basically the same teachings to each other.

“The Latin word "lucifer" means "morning star" or, as an adjective, "light-bringing." But today the name is a synonym for the devil. In Christian tradition, Lucifer was used as the proper name of the devil before his fall from grace. In popular culture Lucifer is synonymous with the devil or Satan.”

Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Christianity and Radhasoami all share some story of an angel that used to be good but was cast out of heaven and eventually cast from the heavens to the earth. Christians in their prophesies about the end of times believe this Lucifer/Jyot Niranjan is cast into human form during the end times. Which in a way is quite interesting. And according to the Bible he has “great wrath” once he realizes he’s been confined to the earthly realm. But he is the Angel of Light and according to the Bible continues to “deceive the nations” by continuously appearing as an angel of light.

I think the end times prophesies are totally whack (until I think about how messed up the world is). But it’s really really dark and I prefer my religion to be all kuchycoo kumbaya.

Dr Phil. : Stop your inner dialogue

777

I would literally give anything to see GSD run through the Golden Temple screaming “burn all the books!”

That would take care of all my problems.

It would be really creepy if Christians had a 5 holy names mantra like RSSB. I mean, keeping with similar hierarchy of gods it would go something like “Lucifer, Morning Star, Jesus, Yahweh, I Am”

Hi Anami! :) You asked: "Are we truly in Kali Yuga?"

I have absolutely no idea (or concern :), but was merely relaying the commonly held belief within RS doctrine that we have been in the "kali yuga" for many centuries, based on the quotes within the SGGS which appear to make that claim: "The Dark Age of Kali Yuga is the knife, and the kings are butchers; righteousness has sprouted wings and flown away. In this dark night of falsehood, the moon of Truth is not visible anywhere.
I have searched in vain, and I am so confused;in this darkness, I cannot find the path.""
SGGS, page 145

Hi Sonia! I hope your brother is recovering well from his surgery....:)

Regarding that Quora article - interesting, thanks for sharing! I liked what the author is saying. It's an incredibly complex, multi-layered issue which isn't easily reducible to this or that absolutist position, imo. Personally, I think these kind of "paranormal" or "psychic" phenomena will inevitably increase the more porous or dissolved the boundaries of "self" or "I" become, and connection to all beings and reality is "felt" for increasingly stable amounts of time? Some (serious scientists, philosophers and academics) would speculate this is due to a lessening of the brain's filtering of reality, consciousness and all that is. However, I would not be at all surprised if incredibly self-obsessed people, possibly psychopaths, could also "manifest" unusually high levels of some types of "paranormal" phenomena around them, with the psychokinesis of poltergeist activity, or other paranormal phenomena "induced" by either deeply repressed psychological crises in the "subconscious" (whatever the freaking hell that may be :), or intensive states of concentration etc.

Re "It’s a numerology thing", "Sorry, I’m foggy right now. It’s 144,000 divided by 666 = 216.216216
216 is the number related to Gevurah." and 777's "there is also MS's patent 060606 on nano RFID chips"...

Funnily enough, some 24 odd years ago, a totally bat shit crazy but eminently "supported" theory occurred to me. I was in a Kabbalah study phase, and it occurred to me to look at the letter/s associated with 6 in the deep rooted system of letter-number associations in ancient Hebrew and Chaldean numerological systems, which it is highly likely the author (John the Elder?) of Revelation would have been aware of. So I thought it somewhat surprising, just around the dawn of the internet, that the only letter associated with "6" is v/w - "vauh", which is the only Hebrew letter that corresponds with the English "W". So, 666 is literally WWW in Hebrew and Chaldean numerology:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c0/49/6e/c0496eb8ac5daa7da65673506f729f31.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/22/97/f8/2297f81f32362a5b55c4c74f5775327a.jpg
https://power-of-numbers.96network.com/images/chaldeantable.jpg
etc

Now if that isn't enough, I dare anyone to read Revelation and not see great parts of it as describing the use of the internet, ie. WWW !!! :-o I wrote about this on the RSS forum some 10 years:
https://groups.io/g/RadhasoamiStudies/message/124937
I don't go into much details because, like now, I could't be bothered - just read Revelation to understand (and keep in mind MS Windows opening sequence, with the clouds :). I wonder if the nutty author of Revelation didn't, indeed, peer into the future and catch skewed glance of all humanity using windows to do their shopping.....and was horrified by the thought.....and didn't spend enough time to realise they were actually loving it immensely! :)

Of course, this entire theory is absolutely nonsensical bullshite, but it is better supported bullshite than most lazy conspiracy theories :)

Re the online blogger who wrote: "Like other spiritual teachings Rahasoami knows a big personification of all evil forces, the KAL Niranjan , the lord of time"

Well, this may well be true. However it goes without saying that "Niranjan" in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib is a term synonymous with "Sat Purush", with no difference whatsoever. It is only in the much later evolution of the cosmology and doctrine of RS did "Niranjan" devolve into merely being the ruler of the "1st region" of sahansdal kanwal: "Āpe āp niranjan so▫e.~He Himself is Immaculate and Pure.", SGGS, page 2, "Aisā nām niranjan ho▫e.~Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord." SGGS, page 3 multiple times!, "So purakẖ niranjan har purakẖ niranjan har agmā agam apārā.~That Primal Being is Immaculate and Pure. The Lord, the Primal Being, is Immaculate and Pure. The Lord is Inaccessible, Unreachable and Unrivalled." page 10, "akul niranjan apar parampar saglee jot tumaaree. ~ He has no ancestry; He is immaculate. He is infinite and endless; O Lord, Your Light is pervading all." SGGS, page 597 etc etc. Enter "niranjan" here:
http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Search&Param=roman
To see many dozens if not hundreds of references to "niranjan" in the SGGS, and see if you can spot the glaring inconsistency with traditional RS claims about Niranjan? Then try "Onkar", I haven't done it myself but know with certainty Onkar is not considered ruler of the 3rd region or whatever, but is in fact entirely identical to "Sat Purush". Indeed, Onkar is given the prominence of being the 2nd word of the entire SGGS!
Ah well, who knew the poets of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, what with their blatant positive and glowing references to breath control, kundalini, niranjan and onkar were agents of Kal after all!? Well, according to a strict interpretation of RS dogma anyway.....;)

Hi Jen - thank you for your really rather wonderful response to that other thread. Beautiful! :)

Hi Tim - thank you for your kind and as always very thoughtful comments :)

Hey OshoR - how's it going brother? :) You wrote in the "RSSB guru asks a good question...." blog comments, "hence listening is the hardest thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nSMi0whFEA
listen to this closely
and part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKOI_N-nvzM
but inevitably you will listen with preconceptions - hence you cannot hear what he says."

Haha, excellent. I truly love the, errrm, other Osho (don't get jealous, I love your Oshoing too :). A most delightful speaker with clearly very deep and intense "realisation". I do wonder though, if that occasional "vague" look in his eyes was a reflection of his later-life drug abuse (no, not the fun drugs my fellow fungonautic fiends, the very, very bad sort :) ? Nonetheless, he remains a peerless speaker, with more life and mischievousness than most, even if the drug addiction was problematic......

Hi Manjit,

My brother is doing really well now. Thanks for asking. :)

You wrote:
Personally, I think these kind of "paranormal" or "psychic" phenomena will inevitably increase the more porous or dissolved the boundaries of "self" or "I" become, and connection to all beings and reality is "felt" for increasingly stable amounts of time? Some (serious scientists, philosophers and academics) would speculate this is due to a lessening of the brain's filtering of reality, consciousness and all that is. However, I would not be at all surprised if incredibly self-obsessed people, possibly psychopaths, could also "manifest" unusually high levels of some types of "paranormal" phenomena around them, with the psychokinesis of poltergeist activity, or other paranormal phenomena "induced" by either deeply repressed psychological crises in the "subconscious" (whatever the freaking hell that may be :), or intensive states of concentration etc.

Me:
This reminds me of the movie ‘The Cell’ starring Jennifer Lopez. It came out in 2000 I think. It was about getting inside the minds of serial killers using psychic abilities.

No doubt if psychic abilities are real they aren’t exclusive to benevolent people. Believe it or not the FBI and CIA both have special units that work on solving crimes of psychopaths that possibly have “psychic” abilities.

It all sounds so weird, I know. But it’s interesting nevertheless.

After my husband’s service with South African special forces he was approached by three different agencies and offered a great deal of money to train soldiers for special missions. Ultimately he turned down two of the offers and took on one of the offers temporarily until he realized it was somewhat criminal—targeting citizens in his own country. But the American agency that tried to recruit him offered him an insane amount of money to train soldiers in Rwanda. He knew the crazy amount of money was due to the fact that it was basically a suicide mission.

That’s when he decided to come to America. He didn’t want to work for the “Americans” he just wanted to be free of the horrifically corrupt apartheid government. Of course, I’m hindsight both governments in SA were corrupt. We take a lot for granted here in America. But as an American citizen you stand a much better chance of being able to live a somewhat sane and normal life.

""". I try to explain my relationship with reality. """

This is all about comfortable worrying

77

I try to explain my relationship with reality

OF course the utimate Solution is
to really know that You are The Creator!

777

Attn. Dera- and The sangat,..............considering you are in the Inner Circle,..... please ask Gurinder Singh if he will take the COVID-19 Vaccinate as soon as it comes out, and if he recommends Satsangis to also take it, or will. Satsangi’s be exempt from COVID-19 infections, and may rely on protection from the Master. Or, perhaps some one can ask him this question in Q & As. Thanks.
Jim Sutherland
Posted by: Jim Sutherland | August 09, 2020 at 09:19 AM


I would"t expect such question from U. Jim
We don't ask Him what medication He recommends 4cancer
5 vaccine are coming plus a Russian
At my age, I ll take nothing - never did - Now we hear that no flue vaccine ever wprked
My take is that this is common flue plus this year new neuro-pesticides
working on the breath centre
Specially industrial strawberries took my breath away - really - checked 3 times
first time combined with flue
I wish U many seconds of not thinking & Love
nice to see you again here

777

@Believing , . . so important

Thank U Mr. Osho for the link, I had never seen
and I find a very "clear" compilation of the RSSB Path
Of course one needs a pill within to understand

Personally I didn't see all, everything that was in the descriptions
but my wife has and lives in both worlds (here & "above") 24/7 together with Charan!

I was, as I have already explained in comments rather quick 'sucked'
into the ever present Sound ; equally : I was Charan : being where HE was
at the top of what you read here:

https://santmatradhasoami.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-ascension-of-soul-sant-mat-e.html

The soul presently enters into the very chambers of the ultimate Lord, and the meeting that ensues is described by Swami Shiv Dayal as involving a sort of password given in response to the Lord's command. As the soul "pushes forward," it "beholds Sat Nam smiling in bliss. Out of his lotus-like appearance comes a voice: 'Who are you, and why did you come here?' The soul replies, 'A true guru instructed me in the secrets. By his graciousness I have received the grace of your presence, 0 Lord.' And as the soul beholds the sight of the Lord it becomes greatly enraptured."72

After that brief encounter, the soul rushes directly into the form of the highest Lord and "becomes one with Him in an ecstasy°° of Divine Love and intense bliss."73 The soul has finally reached its home. The journey is over. ("Radhasoami Reality," Mark Juergensmeyer, Princeton University Press, ISBN 0-691-07378-3)
_______

So
We both confirm all what is written above
It's all love
I understand that the term I used in my comments "hyper orgasm above our eyes" °°
was not used by the mystics
but Orgasm isThat what it is, . . . . . forever

777

Economic Times of India put out out an article yesterday. Title of the article:
"Ex-Religare promoter Malvinder Singh accuses Radha Soami Satsang head of misusing influence"

Malvinder keeps doing this. Not sure what the reasoning is behind this, but he keeps doing it. There is possibly some truth to his accusations, and Sunil Godhwani probably is the gatekeeper on this since GSD was the one one him installed as CEO. Who knows? Could be blowing a smoke screen over this as well. At any rate, doesn't make for good publicity for Gurinder Singh.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/ex-religare-promoter-malvinder-singh-accuses-radha-soami-satsang-head-of-misusing-influence/articleshow/77498328.cms

I thought a long time that Malvinder was Shivinder vice versa
just because the one ressembling Charan gave me good feel to see
Evennow I personally regret this son of NIMI is still in the heat of prison life
and not on bail like the two others!
It "s no doubt the quickest way to burn some karma of maybe
a billion years ago

https://rssb.org/essay112.html

F.I.

About 250 of RSSB’s centers all across the country were converted into shelters and isolation facilities where stranded migrant workers were warmly welcomed and cared for by loving sevadars, like valued guests in their own home.

Extensive arrangements were also made by RSSB to prepare food for anyone hungry and needy. The Society provided the ingredients, prepared and provided the food, and distribution was arranged through local administrations. So far, more than 24 million food packets have been dispensed over a 30-day period, across 19 states throughout the country. And more than 22,000 sevadars volunteer daily to accomplish this gigantic effort.

Thank you 777 for sharing the information of the enormous Seva going on. Can you share a link as well? I've read articles about the free COVID hospital, largest in India, created at one of the RSSB sites, and I would like to read about this food and shelter Seva, too.

@Spence.
Nice to see U
It is
https://rssb.org/essay112.html

I must often think ; when catholics proclaim
that the Pope is perfect with what he says
but only in matters of Faith & Ethics

How to apply to a living Sat Guru

Can a Satguru have Alzheimer? (. not a special statement on GSD )
I think : Yes
Gilles de la Touret. : I think even Yes

All this comes to my statement when I entered this blog
and possibly was the first fanatic RSSB-er , saying
HE DOESN'T KNOW!
Like with us : It's all Serendipities, Miracles and yes Multipositioning

God Himself is a Great Funny Guy/Gurl

I have still my take on GooseBumps, perhaps U remember

The greatness of Sant Mat is : It makes us invincible and calm
and all of orgasmes above our eyes
when the first 5 chakras are out-played
without to much karma_generation

Let's pray for GSD and NIMI and family
I rest my case

77 7

Hi 777
It depends on how one views the world.
I set it as a magical world.
So for me this body is only what Shakespeare wrote, a bloody and decaying vesture. Therefore the Master can wear any set of clothes that suits him. And he can abuse it as he sees fit. What we call abuse is a matter of interpretation. In theory he uses it for the purpose of helping the world. And that can be a dirty job sometimes. We don't blame a mechanic for getting grease on his clothes, and all over himself. We don't blame a soldier for stepping on a land mine to make a field safe for others. But they are not looking in great shape. So if we understand, at least in theory, we can justify it for ourselves. But this is all a mental function. Because the justification for Shabd is living in it. Then it is we, in these wrappings, who don't really have any justification for staying here and no excuse for being here... Especially when the soldier assigned to defend us is torn to pieces in the open field.

"How sweet the moonlight sleeps upon this bank!
Here will we sit and let the sounds of music
Creep in our ears: soft stillness and the night
Become the touches of sweet harmony.
Sit, Jessica. Look how the floor of heaven
Is thick inlaid with patines of bright gold:
There's not the smallest orb which thou behold'st
But in his motion like an angel sings,
Still quiring to the young-eyed cherubins;
Such harmony is in immortal souls;
But whilst this muddy vesture of decay
Doth grossly close it in, we cannot hear it."
Shakespeare, Merchant of Venice, Act 5, scene 1

777,
Unknowingness. Perhaps. Like Faqir Chand.

ANAMI SAID :
777,
Unknowingness. Perhaps. Like Faqir Chand. Posted by: anami | August 16, 2020 at 01:38 PM

me:
Not quite so
The faqir Chand made a kind of sceptic fun (plus accusations) of it -
It is not
It's more fundamental than any law of physics
and a "professional" haha) Satguru knows it up to in his bones
as some disciples also do

Like the Love and the orgasmic meditation , it's not stable
I mean : there are fluctuations
I guess , like the serendipities, a sinusoid in/upon a sinusoide,
they say "rings within rings" , bells within bells, even Love within Love

Simran here is The BIG REGULATOR in all this, even of the Sweetness of The Sound
as if you direct Starship Enterprise or Galactica with your mind/Soul
We may do it if we deeply feel that HE is The Big Doer

A little bit the inverse/opposite of when we jumped in creation and lost His Divine Hand

777


Hm. 777
I like your description, that Simran is the big regulator, the steam engine governor that doesn't let things spin too far out of control.

"Satguru knows it up to in his bones"

777,
In my wife's eyes, GSD is just another corrupt religious leader. Why all the money? It's the only thing she sees.

Is he putting up a smokescreen?

@Spence.
Nice to see U
It is
https://rssb.org/essay112.html

I must often think ; when catholics proclaim
that the Pope is perfect with what he says
but only in matters of Faith & Ethics


77 7

Posted by: 💖 💥 7 77 💥 💖 | August 16, 2020 at 10:30 AM

I’m volunteering with Red Cross now. Disaster Recovery for all sorts of natural disasters. The Red Cross is politically and religiously neutral. 91 cents on the dollar goes towards all of their humanitarian efforts. That’s really good for a charity. With COVID the Disaster Recovery training and program has had to adjust and make major changes avoiding putting hundreds of people into a single facility...

If there is a hierarchy of heavens, only vegans are going to the top.

https://pin.it/6qGiqmg

@Only. ONE

Thought for atheists
wouldn't it be a disappointing blasphemy
if the were created by somebody else

They are even more prone to accepting the hard
fact that they personally are Purusha
but less than Rumi like people

Even an ant is HIM/HER

So nice sweet ridlle

We never ever not existed

777

@Anami - Smokescreen
@Spence

Even another Saint doesn't see the fine tuning

What karma had the shareholders?
How much they lost ( if any ) - How many are saved with the food assistance
As I said - What happened a Billion Years ago or before the Big Bang
How blowed the wind on Creation Day? (Mirdad)

I must confess
As a lousy Charan disciple, another wording for manmukh
I saw Gurinder once in broad day light FULL enlightened ( light ) ( in another comment )
and once inside when Charan pushed Him to me
Also, when looking at Him "The Plume of my headgear shivers"

Also the fact that these buildings HE erected give me Darshan too
and I wrote
How about Malvinder - and Nimi

So I trust Gurinder - also appreciated the 69 fun and Ibiza (not far from here)

and Spence
You wrote. "We don't blame a soldier for stepping on a land mine to make a field safe for others. But they are not looking in great shape. So if we understand, at least in theory, we can justify it for ourselves."

777

Anami wrote: "In my wife's eyes, GSD is just another corrupt religious leader. Why all the money? It's the only thing she sees.
Is he putting up a smokescreen?"

Hi Anami - I enjoy your obviously sincere and open minded curiosity about the path and guru you have chosen....imo it speaks well of the sincerity of your "search", which, imo, is of supreme importance in this quest some of us share for the truth about consciousness, existence, creation, reality, "God" etc......far more important than "path", "practice", "guru" etc.......like the story told in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, and "authenticated" by the 5th Sikh Guru, Arjan Dev, Dhana Bhagat achieved "God realisation" purely through sincere and deep devotion to a stone/pebble.....no hint or trace of a Satguru, shabd yoga, initiation etc Personally, although this story has been bizarrely questioned by a devout RSSB apologist in online discussions because it contradicted the religious dogma he believed in, I feel this should be an immense relief for RSSB initiates, many of whom were initiated by a guru who claimed of himself "I feel like a stone idol in a temple. According to their notions of love, some bathe it with cold water, some with hot water, and some deck it in fine clothes; but still it is an idol all the same.", and the rest probably initiated by the guru currently heavily implicated in a huge scale fraud that without question has obscenely enriched himself and his family, even if in the highly unlikely scenario he wasn't the mastermind behind the failed scheme, and other associated unpleasantness like death threats etc

Your wife sounds like a profoundly wise and decent person. I imagine her as the true Saint in your relationship, despite your dalliance with external "spirituality".....I'd call her a keeper, Anami :) :)

The question really isn't is Gugu "putting up a smokescreen", or why your wife "only" sees the money......the question really is, why do you see anything else? That's the only question that matters. In my observations and discussions with RS satsangis, it appears to me the real basis for considering these various Singhs as anything other than mundane leaders of religions with the usual petty (and not so petty, in Gugu's case!) desires, character flaws, occasionally silly ideas and beliefs etc, is the CONCEPTUAL basis of the beliefs and dogma of RS, which portrays a magical, mythic image of what a "Satguru" is. Once this belief has been accepted at some conscious or subconscious level, one begins to filter all one's experiences through this belief set, projects it upon the person of the guru (regardless of how "authentic" they may or may not be, how much actual personal interaction there may or may not be.....there is no limit to how much illusion the mind can generate!) and literally everything will support or confirm those beliefs. This is not unique to the religion of RS.

In my observation, for the majority of RS satsangis who comment online, a "mystic" is essentially defined as anybody who is chosen to be a guru by the previous guru/family-elder, however unqualified, or anybody that grew up and spent time at Beas or with Sawan since childhood. For me, this is a very peculiar definition of "mystic"? I've been reading/hearing stories of "mystics" from all over the globe, all traditions and times etc since before I could read, and in all the life stories, meditations, tribulations etc, I never came across this kind of institutionalised "mysticism"....in fact, it seems rather antithetical to the spirit of the "mystic" as I have understood (and experienced :) it.....but each to their own level of understanding. Personally, I see nothing in the lifes of Charan or Gurinder to suggest they are "mystics", other than the sheer fact of their position within a worldly organisation? Indeed, I deeply question the value or reality of the realisation of even Soamiji, Jaimal and Sawan, too......where they really "mystics".......or "psychics".........perhaps, even, dare I say it, psychic vampires? Do you think there is a difference between mystics and psychics? I notice Spencer demanded from Osho "to prove" "Oneness" by reading his mind.......this is a psychic trick within duality, nothing at all to do with the experiential insight of "Oneness", there needs must be two to read minds. Now, that it is not to say such parlour tricks are impossible, I have experienced enough (and seen enough scientific research proving it is possible too) to know these things are not impossible, if one has enough egoic desire to channel in certain occult directions. But this is duality, and nothing to do with the real existential and direct awareness of the "unity" of all things. Ironically, Spencer followed a guru for decades who clearly insinuates in the literature of his religion that such parlour tricks are easy for the "Satguru". Despite dedicating himself for years to this path which makes extreme dualistic claims, I sincerely doubt Spencer ever demanded for Charan or Gurinder to "prove it" by reading their minds? And yet he expects Osho to prove it without even once doing darshan of his tremendously radiant face? Ahh, Grand Irony and blind-spots abound, it is all a game of ego, preference, concepts, beliefs etc....reality has nothing at all to do with it!

So the question I'm interested in is, why precisely do you think there IS something "more" to Gurinder than your wife has observed? What exactly, from his life, teachings or experiences, makes you think he has a level of understanding, knowledge or experience that transcends the bums on this forum, for example? I'm genuinely interested!

If it comes to beautiful subjective experiences in or away from his physical presence, miracles etc then we really are playing with a losing hand......which of any of the sixteen thousand four hundred and seventy-three shabd yoga gurus in the world, however corrupt, dishonest or fraudulent they may be, doesn't have disciples who defend them to the death, claiming all sorts of wonderful miracles and experiences in their presence? When will we state the obvious, it is the disciple who has all the "juice", and the guru really does nothing at all that anybody else can't do!?

I also really liked this comment of yours in response to Osho's Oneness comments: "On the golf course of enlightenment that step of realization could be one of the front nine only or a sand trap."

Yes, indeed my friend, NOW we're talking!!!

But.....how do YOU know that the religion of RS isn't merely the club-house before you go out to play for real? How WOULD you know? How would you know that any and every vision seen inside, including "Sach Khand", isn't merely an illusion, or the 2nd hole of the front nine? Have you read the Yoga-Vasistha? It has beautiful discussions around this very theme, highly recommended.

Yes, "Oneness".....I have heard and seen countless "levels" of understanding and awareness of this "truth", ranging from psychological depersonalisation, to psychological awareness of "no-self", through a whole variety of states of consciousness people call "enlightenment", "Oneness", "liberation" etc. Indeed, I have had dreams many many years ago where from within the dream I was saying "I am awake, I am enlightened" etc, and truly believed it to be so.....but alas, I was not even lucid, I was merely parroting the words "I am enlightened" in a state of ignorant delusion! So who can tell who or what is "ultimately realised" or even "partially realised", or if such a thing is even possible!

In regards the conceptual confusion people who clearly have not experienced any significant degree of "no-self", or the imo deeper "Oneness", between the idea of non-duality and the fact of embodied, dualistic existence, semantics will never be able to adequately describe the situation, it is something that can only be experienced directly imo. However, I do believe the philosophy of Kashmiri Shaivism, as told by Harish Johari, is one of the most exquisite, beautiful and in my personal experience, accurate descriptions of deep "mystical experience" known to man. In it, it clearly describes multiplicity in Oneness, as well as Oneness in multiplicity.

But beyond all these teachings and concepts, I think the whole situation is a lot simpler than many imagine it to be, heavily loaded and burdened with a heap of unexamined concepts they have swollen wholesale, like transmigration, karma, the role of Satguru (ie., an intermediary between one's own "soul" and the "divine") etc. The question really isn't which path is highest, which realisation is ultimate and which realisation is delusion etc.....none of this matters, and we'll never know, because even when we think we know, we may well be....in fact most likely are.....deluded. The question really is, before you started seeking and following a spiritual path like RS for eg., there must have been a sense of incompleteness, suffering, unfulfilled desire, existential angst, fear of death etc Otherwise, you simply would not seek. The answer, then, is simply, has your path, practice, meditation, beliefs etc led you to complete and total satisfaction, completeness, peace etc? Has it completely satisfied all one's desires, resolved all one's fears, and made one feel literally blessed and full of gratitude in every breath? That, literally, is all that matters! The rest is all empty narratives of worldly people trapped in conceptual fantasies about afterlives and cosmologies they literally will never know is objectively true or not (yes, you can have infinite visions of this and that - I have had infinite such visions myself - but it doesn't mean they are true, even if synchronicity or miracles appear to confirm it....just more proof of the malleability, power, and inter-connectivity of the mind and the universe, or maya).

It really doesn't matter if you're on the 1st hole, or the 18th hole, whether you're confusing psychological depersonalisation with the most supreme state of tantric ecstasy/non-duality/sach khand.........if you're miserable (life-denying, escapist, still feel incomplete, still feel unsure/have doubts, do not feel perpetual joy, clarity, awe, love, compassion etc) when you leave the 18th hole, you've lost the game. If, however, stuck on the 1st hole, but you feel absolute joy, happiness, ecstasy, gratitude, love etc, such deep ecstasy that you forget you're even on a golf course? Well, that sounds pretty much like the winner in the game of golf to me.........as I say, the rest are childish stories and fantasies told by people who clearly and almost certainly self-admittedly haven't "realised", are not genuinely and utterly dissolved in the joy and ecstasy (permanent, steady, clear, tranquil - not manic ups and downs over months or even years, like being bi-polar for example) of whatever form of "spirituality" they follow, and indeed for whom that dualistic story-telling is itself a symptom of their own sense of "unsatisfactoriness".

Imo, of course :) Peace! :)

@ and the rest probably initiated by the guru currently heavily
@ implicated in a huge scale fraud that without question has
@ obscenely enriched himself and his family, even if in the highly
@ unlikely scenario he wasn't the mastermind behind the failed
@ scheme, and other associated unpleasantness like death threats
@ etc

Or "the rest" could wait for the forensic accountants and courts
to weigh in. Oh, but freighted with obvious inferences of guilt
and corruption, this is a quintessential moment for conspiracy
theories. Take off those blinders. None so blind as he who will
not see.

Need we remind the RSSB flock of those death threats against
Malvinder? We'll soft-pedal it a bit and call it "unpleasantness"
for now. Clearly, though, if you're not wrapped in total denial,
there's a strong, dare I say near bullet-proof, case he was
implicated in Shabnam's sad demise to cover up criminality too.
Maybe a final, passionate kiss of death, then... "We can't let
the family go down, Shabi. I never had anything against you
personally. it's just business."

Murderous, greedy, land grabbing, filthy rich, and protected by
an impenetrable web of corrupt India officialdom, what more
needs saying of a "guru gone bad".


@ If, however, stuck on the 1st hole, but you feel absolute joy, happiness,
@ ecstasy, gratitude, love etc, such deep ecstasy that you forget you're
@ even on a golf course? Well, that sounds pretty much like the winner in
@ the game of golf to me.........as I say, the rest are childish stories and
@ fantasies

Beautiful. That's the essence of mysticism in my opinion.

Sant Huzur Maharaj Manjit Singh Ji Bhagwan Baba Soami Ji wrote: "The question really isn't which path is highest, which realisation is ultimate and which realisation is delusion etc.....none of this matters, and we'll never know, because even when we think we know, we may well be....in fact most likely are.....deluded."

When I was a child and throughout my early adulthood, I had this intense passion and drive to experience and/or understand the ultimate nature of "Reality" and/or "God", whatever the cost. I imagined this to be a state of human consciousness of complete all-knowing-ness, all-powerful-ness, utterly ecstatic in the sense of bliss or pleasure etc

It is truly a strange mystery, at least to me, that now I can "access" all states of bliss, visionary experience, ecstasy etc, that all of these now seem as worthless as a pile of straw.

It is only now, in my early 40s ( and after almost 4 full decades of intense searching :), that I realise what the great mystics were truly saying. It is not about egoic bliss states, it is about love & compassion. And that is the entirety of the path, the entirety of it's fruits, the entirety of it's purpose. Compassion, love, tolerance, charity, foregiveness, understanding, etc.

Although I understood it conceptually - I imagined these gurus were merely giving us moral guidance to prepare us for the amazing fruit of eternal egoic bliss! - I never truly understood the heart of what they were saying:

I never understood why Guru Nanak, immediately after his "realisation" of Sach Khand and transition from mere human to the Guru we all know, declared his first words: "there is no Hindu, there is no Muslim". No, his opening words were not about Shabd, the "Satguru", "Reincarnation", "karma" or what not.....he felt it more important to declare a more fundamental, down to earth truth: There is no hindu, there is no muslim"

https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/There_is_no_Hindu_and_no_Musalman

I never understood why Jesus before leaving this realm revealed a new commandment - not anything to do with Shabd, Gurus, karma or meditation......but that his disciples "love another". That is all.

Or why mahayana buddhists take the bodhisattva vow, to not become "liberated" until all other beings are "liberated" first. I remember some 15 odd years ago reading a book written by the extremely well respected and revered buddhist meditation master Nan Hui Chin, who basically reduced his truly profound and prodigious meditation experiences, his entire "enlightenment" to, well, his behaviour and conduct in real life......that was the sum total of his entire decades long intensive meditation practices! Behaviour; compassion, love, forgiveness, tolerance, understanding, equanimity, charity, kindness etc

That is all. That is all.

I never understood it. And now I do! The rest is all fantasy & delusion, 1st hole of the front nine bullshit.

All we have is compassion, love, forgiveness, tolerance, understanding, charity, kindness etc. The rest is illusion.

intense passion and drive to experience and/or understand the ultimate nature of "Reality" and/or "God", whatever the cost.

But. later U r sating : Love

So, . . . Love Who, What ?

The Shabd, . . . any help ?
A perfect Master, eventually a complete Master (sounds somewhat technical, a Saint )
A Lovely Master , who triggers U into the Crown Center

There are all kind of nice ways to nice targets
but what is more comfortable than falling in Love, Crazy love
Then U love the Shabd, The Son and The Father (all three are Simran)

Blessed those who catch it

777

"So the question I'm interested in is, why precisely do you think there IS something "more" to Gurinder than your wife has observed? What exactly, from his life, teachings or experiences, makes you think he has a level of understanding, knowledge or experience that transcends the bums on this forum, for example? I'm genuinely interested!"

manjit,

My wife says you're correct about her.

Honestly, I don't have the benefit of direct experience with GSD. I've been in his physical presence all of maybe two hours, once for satsang in San Francisco and once in Queens, NYC, both in the 1990's. I just assumed Maharaj Ji would appoint a sant as successor. The Q&A videos aren't much to go on, although his simple explanation of "Shabd Guru, Surat Dhun Chela" beat the gobbledygook on Sikh websites, and he's good to encourage respect for other paths.

My prescription for you is to leave RSSB and anyone associated with it for at least two years. Have no contact or discussion about it. Do whatever meditation that gives you peace.

If you can set this boundary, you can protect yourself so that, finally, you can heal.

Then no one can affect you again on this matter.

Let yourself heal.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | August 19, 2020 at 12:47 PM

Talk about synchronicity, my lesson in ACIM today was lesson 200 which states this:

“There is no peace except the peace of God.

1. Seek you no further. You will not find peace except the peace of God. Accept this fact, and save yourself the agony of yet more bitter disappointments, bleak despair, and sense of icy hopelessness and doubt. Seek you no further. There is nothing else for you to find except the peace of God, unless you seek for misery and pain.

2. This is the final point to which each one must come at last, to lay aside all hope of finding happiness where there is none; of being saved by what can only hurt; of making peace of chaos, joy of pain, and Heaven out of hell. Attempt no more to win through losing, nor to die to live. You cannot but be asking for defeat.

3. Yet you can ask as easily for love, for happiness, and for eternal life in peace that has no ending. Ask for this, and you can only win. To ask for what you have already must succeed. To ask that what is false be true can only fail. Forgive yourself for vain imaginings, and seek no longer what you cannot find. For what could be more foolish than to seek and seek and seek again for hell, when you have but to look with open eyes to find that Heaven lies before you, through a door that opens easily to welcome you?

4. Come home. You have not found your happiness in foreign places and in alien forms that have no meaning to you, though you sought to make them meaningful. This world is not where you belong. You are a stranger here. But it is given you to find the means whereby the world no longer seems to be a prison house or jail for anyone....”

I’m not gonna copy and paste the whole lesson but it’s pointing to the same direction you suggested. ACIM is ALWAYS synchronous which is kinda unique.

I noticed this pattern (I guess it’s part of the letting go process) where I rotate between 3 things:

1. Some desperate grasping onto a philosophy and path that I invested 14 years of my life in.

2. Agnosticism

3. ACIM combined with Buddhism

I have much better results with the 3rd but need to stop holding onto the pain so that I can let go of the first item... which is my past. Need to let go of the past.

I think you’re right—it’s important to get away from all the reminders in order to have a fresh and more objective perspective. That way in a year or so the things that happened won’t carry the emotional weight that they do now.

Thanks 🙏

And, btw, I just opened the book and it opened to lesson 200 (which is the final lesson but the student workbook is in the middle of the entire book). I haven’t done all the other lessons—I’ve only read a handful of the lessons. So far, I’ve only read bits and pieces of the Text.

It may not be scientific but I do believe there’s a sort of Synchronicity that points the way when you stop staring at chaos all the time.

Hi Sonia
Nice!
Maybe you are ready now.
The only path that ever existed is the one in you. Leaving RSSB, clean, no ties, no connections, no regrets, no discussion, two years, will give you the chance to reconnect with the real path inside you. The two are not the same. They are entirely distinct. Entirely separate. Entirely independent. Own the path in you! That is the true path of love for God because it is a love that is loving you 24/7. That power supply is entirely harmless and helpful. It is shy and gentle. Protect it and nurture it.

Daniel Shapiro talks about the 5 core aspects of our Identity and why people have such a difficult time rationally accepting anything at odds with anything that threatens their identity.

1. Beliefs
2. Rituals—prayer, meditation, observed holidays, etc.
3. Allegiances—our loyalties
4. Values
5. Ethics

Don’t ever let these 5 core aspects of your identity become so fixed and rigid that you are unable to distinguish truth and reality from your personal experiences.

It’s incredible, Gurinder so badly wants to be this modern guru. But the truth is, his ideals are so closely aligned with old world Punjabi male ideals that he can’t even begin to understand the Western mindset. He has no place in the Western world. He needs to find himself a subservient, obedient Punjabi bride and retire. Perhaps with a new, truly modern guru RSSB will stand half a chance.

Sorry for the comments spree (or splurge as Georgy would call it. I’m going to slap him if I ever see him) but my ex-husband is atheist and the truth is he’s probably the most grounded person I know. “Grounded” didn’t interest me when he and I were together but now I value it as a scarce commodity. We’ve both grown so much over the years and we keep in touch on a weekly basis (as just friends). He somehow with just a few simple words has the ability to always remind me how ridiculous this whole guru thing is.

I’d like to believe that there’s life after death so I’ve chosen to believe in it just in case... but regardless of whether you do or don’t believe in life after death, logic should make it abundantly clear that no single person holds the key to salvation.


@ Jen and Osho on the other post - very nicely put. Helpful words for all of us.
I’m no‘New Ager’ (may have been a bit of one in the 80’s), but times surely are interesting and ‘difficult’. I’ve seen the fear in the eyes of a number of folk lately as they peer out from above their masks. The human race has a lot on. It also seems to me that in spite of the calls for kindness many folk are retreating into themselves with a lowering interest in others (planet included). Solution imo (without giving away your ‘personal power’ as Jen says) - keep replacing the fear and self-centredness with as Swami psilocybinanda (:-)) says: ‘compassion, love, forgiveness, tolerance, understanding, charity, kindness etc’, - in action as best we can.
Best wishes to all

🌼 777 🌼. Poor Betelgeuse
If replaced the sun its diameter would go further than Saturn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlmbxSarRKg

Compare with the subjects discussed

Only Shabd experiences are making Betelgeuse a tiny thing

777

Do you want to be always happy?
Then give up fighting
For negativity
And learn the beautiful art
Of self-encouragement.

- Sri Chinmoy

Seems very good Jen..
A ´beautiful art.´ of self -encouragement´

@SONIA. rightly said
And it’s hard to get around the “he’s just a teacher” argument when the foundation of a belief system rests upon GIHF.

Yes
The whole system is based on the fact
that nobody can unify enter the giant-ness of The Almighty

But one can unify by Love with a guy /girl who is already IN God but seems normal, a fraud
but not for a real seeker

777

As I said to a friend who inherited 90M, . . "Now you have to buy a "second hand
"deux chevaux" car


@
&BRIAN
""" the perfect Buddhist sees thinking itself as just another set of circumstances, """

THANK YOU for agreeing
Just stop the inner dialogue
Start with 5 seconds

<3
777

@SONIA. rightly said
And it’s hard to get around the “he’s just a teacher” argument when the foundation of a belief system rests upon GIHF.

Yes
The whole system is based on the fact
that nobody can unify enter the giant-ness of The Almighty

But one can unify by Love with a guy /girl who is already IN God but seems normal, a fraud
but not for a real seeker

777

As I said to a friend who inherited 90M, . . "Now you have to buy a "second hand
"deux chevaux" car


Posted by: 💜💜. 777.💜💜 | August 25, 2020 at 04:11 AM

When I think about it, really the only real issue I have had with GSD is his stance on mental illness—that he doesn’t understand it, thinks it’s not real or not a big deal. It all boils down to that.

But, you can’t expect one person to know or understand everything I guess. Even if that one thing is a really big thing. 🤷‍♀️

I guess there’s just such a stigma associated with it in his culture that he can’t get past that...

Sonia I was in Petaluma last year when the master was asked about depression and he told the questioner that he should be listen to the doctor and take the medicine prescribed to get better. I don’t think he doesn’t understand mental illness I think you didn’t understand his answer to you the reason you got that answer.
You have held a deep grudge over this for years now.

Sonia I was in Petaluma last year when the master was asked about depression and he told the questioner that he should be listen to the doctor and take the medicine prescribed to get better. I don’t think he doesn’t understand mental illness I think you didn’t understand his answer to you the reason you got that answer.
You have held a deep grudge over this for years now.

Posted by: Other Jen | August 27, 2020 at 02:10 PM

Gosh, Jen, you’re just like my husband. I haven’t held a deep grudge over this for “years” now. It’s only been 604 days. That’s less than two years.

I’m glad to hear he said that in Petaluma. That’s the first time I’ve heard that.

I didn’t really want to bring it up again other than to say (and I guess this was my point) that it was my last hurdle and I decided it doesn’t really matter anymore because I can prove to anyone that mental illness is real. 🙃 😅

Actually, 625 days but who’s counting. It really doesn’t matter anymore...

Sonia I was in Petaluma last year when the master was asked about depression and he told the questioner that he should be listen to the doctor and take the medicine prescribed to get better. I don’t think he doesn’t understand mental illness I think you didn’t understand his answer to you the reason you got that answer.
You have held a deep grudge over this for years now.

Posted by: Other Jen | August 27, 2020 at 02:10 PM

So, what is your interpretation of why he said what he said? And what do you think he meant by “you don’t want to know what I think about people with mental illnesses”?

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