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June 30, 2020

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One death is too many. But I’d rather live through COVID-19 than the Spanish flu. Science and Medicine are light years ahead of where they were 100 years ago. So, despite how bleak it may seem, we’re improving in some ways.

I asked someone about GSD having cancer and they said it isn’t as serious this time.

Science and Medicine are improving...

If they could get humans to stop using animals for food and polluting the earth we’d be golden.

@Sonia
I tthink youtube_search
666, 5th Avenue NY
is more clear

there is also MS's patent 060606 on nano RFID chips

although this voodoo_magic alister crowly related has some strength
it's ALL from the low low so low astral/etherical bull shit emanations

Seth Shiv Dayal cq Gurinder's Stuff is so endlessly higher and more powerful
One can only know by seeing This - seeing= experimenting and being flabbergasted

777

Sonia what’s the source of your Medical information on the master? Are you certain you are speaking accurately?

GSD's youngest son Gurkirat just had a baby girl in the UK.
It's probable he went there to see her, since Shabnam Dhillon isn't around anymore.

In search of/Amar
Your back with your comments. Good to see you mate. How have you been? Haven’t seen you in a while. Looks like you went back to “in search of”? How’s the searching?

Hi Other Jen. I haven't gone anywhere. I've been reading Brian's blog and the comments religiously, pun intended. I've been reading the books Brian comments about and trying to create a quietness and calmness in my life. Lifelong struggle but worth the effort and journey.

Hope everyone is enjoying a safe summer!

In search of
Nice. Stillness and calmness is a great goal to have. Hope all is well on your end.
Thanks for the information you shared about the Master and the birth of his granddaughter. Just confirm your information before you share something that’s untrue and also just think about all the information you shared about him over the past few years, what if it’s accuracy is the same as this one? Perhaps it’s worth giving it some thought. That’s a lot of assumptions made based on a false narrative. 🤔
Stay safe and healthy.

Other Jen, we won't know what the real story is until it's gone through the courts. Even then we probably won't have all of it. We can take things and twist them anyway one wants to fit the narrative we seek to justify, that goes for both sides.
In my journey over the last 2 years, I've had to reconcile my own faith, beliefs and attachments to RSSB teachings and try to inject some semblance of critical thought into it.
For someone like me born into it and basically indoctrinated into it, it's a slippery, muddy hill to climb. Someone who hasn't had to do that won't understand.
We all regret things we said and did in the past, as long as we learn from them and make adjustments for the better, that's all we can try and do.

Other Jen,

Dera residents said he went to U.K. for treatment. But I’m an empath so I happen to know he will be fine. I “know things”. :)

Amar I understand you more than anyone else as just like you I too was born into a satsangi family. I was initiated (by my own choice) at an early age and have lived most of my life following the path.i Too have injected much critical thought into what I grew up knowing and believing. Started Reading up on this website from Brian, David lane, Faqir chand and other lines of RS teachings. Plus other critical thinkers like Sam Harris, Dawkins, Dillahunty among a few. So I am very aware of your journey as I travelled the same way.
Point is just think about your source of information... as the latest “fact” you so confidently presented is far from true. If that be the case perhaps all the other accusations you have been throwing around for the last 2 years have the same accuracy.
Take care

I may seem really harsh at times but I’m pretty tuned into other people’s feelings—emotional and physical. So I happen to know that health-wise he’ll be fine. And yes, he has a new granddaughter in the U.K. A friend even sent me a pic (I have a whole network of spies 😂).

He’s been sick for a long time but didn’t realize it. But it’s not serious anymore.

@777

Did you know 140,000 divided by 666 is 210.210210?

That represents Gevurah "the essence of judgment (DIN) and limitation", and corresponds to awe and the element of fire.

If you’re familiar with the New Testament book of Revelations, that’s kind of funny.

Revelations should have been omitted from the Bible without question.

Sorry, I’m foggy right now. It’s 144,000 divided by 666 = 216.216216

216 is the number related to Gevurah.

Same intent. Just typed the numbers wrong.

And it’s really ironic for all those who believe “144,000” are chosen.

Other Jen,

He is in the U.K. which “fact” of In Search of it’s are you questioning?

Maybe he went there solely for treatments but I’m sure he’s enjoying seeing the first baby girl in his family, Shakruna.

All children are beautiful.

If babies weren’t so adorable who would bother with them. Lol. They’re a lot of work! That was part of God’s design—making babies crazy adorable.

Sonia you too need to examine your spies. Ha I find it amusing that so much is presented as a fact very confidently from many commenters here which are far from being factual. 🤷🏼‍♀️ That’s all I will say on this matter.

My brother had open heart surgery last Friday (8 days ago). It was very serious. He’s 8 years younger than me and his heart capacity was at 55% by the time he had his surgery (it was a HIGE concern of mine) but he’s home now and doing really well. Oddly he was given a new valve—cutting edge—that I saw in a magazine article at the Dera in 2016 from a Singapore magazine. I wanted to steal the magazine and take it home but didn’t have the opportunity to. Lol. Anyway, he got the latest, most advanced treatment with a world renowned heart surgeon. He was/is very lucky even though the recovery process is still very painful.

I mentioned yesterday, that we have advanced light years over the past century in medicine and science.

People shouldn’t get too depressed with regards to this current epidemic. In theory it really and truly should have been much, much worse. But we, as a global society, have stepped to the plate. Not perfectly, but certainly far better than our ancestors fared 100 years ago. It’s phenomenal. It really is. So, when you feel things are bleak, just remember that they’re not. We’re doing great considering...

I truly believe there’s more “light” in the world now. You can translate that as intellectual or spiritual or both. But overall, we are much better off than any previous generation faced with such a challenge.

I hope that helps some of you to sleep better at night.

OK, Jen... maybe he doesn’t know. That’s OK. There’s so much that all of us are unaware of.

I know what I know. It doesn’t matter what other people think. “The lord works in mysterious ways.”

Even for Mystics much remains a mystery.

Anyway, I could say a lot more but that’s all I will say on this matter too.

Gosh, you’re welcome.

Can’t you tell in his Q&As that he hasn’t been feeling 100%?? He’s been extremely tired.

Thank God Georgy isn’t here to send me over the edge anymore. Where do they find people like him??? Of course, he might still be commenting on I Hate Church of the Churchless but I don’t dare venture there.

It’s people like that (most likely posting on behalf of RSSB) that do their level best to make you think the guru is a complete lunatic. They’re not helping the cause that they’re trying to defend AT ALL.

Anyone who claims to NOT be an initiate and sings the praises of RSSB and GSD on THIS site is bonkers or a plant. The latter is most likely true.

Seriously, do you think that approach is actually convincing???

With “20+ million” followers and one thousand plus REL subsidiaries how can anyone possibly know what the truth is? Could they possibly make things anymore complicated??? (That’s rhetorical. The answer is obviously no, they couldn’t complicate things more if they tried.)

Good luck. I can’t wait for the docu series to come out on this... I’m sure it will get 100% on the tomato 🍅 meter.

Hi Sonia my writing style is masculine? Not sure what that means. mP is ok many things are closed because of the pandemic but the weather is perfect. I have no idea about Petaluma.
Interesting how you predict how many years anyone has left on this earth. Im turning 44 this month. I could only have today left. And by the way, I have no stress so who knows about these things.🤷🏼‍♀️

My Dad’s turning 77 next Sunday. He’ll live forever... funny 66,44,77 (Are you a Leo too?).

I’m not predicting anyone’s death. That was a joke. Personally, I don’t believe the day of one’s death is predestined.

It seems all my relatives have lived waaaaaay past their expiry date. 77 is young in my family. Lol

I will say I’m a bit jealous of the weather you’re having. I could literally live in a tent if I was given the opportunity. Or the majority of my time on a screened in porch. There’s nothing quite like fresh air and nature. Big houses and buildings are way overrated. Every truly beautiful home is more of a garden than a roof and walls and ventilation. It doesn’t cost much either. (Just don’t need the bugs.)


"So please, feel free to continue believing in dinosaurs. I like to picture them as pink and fluffy with squeaky voices, you?"

manjit,

Indeed, the element of surprise! Who'd expect creatures so girlish imposing a reign of terror 80 million years long?

Are we truly in Kali Yuga? Sri Yukteswar figured we're already three centuries into Dwapara Yuga, having exited Kali Yuga in 1699. Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev too, but he places us 2,522 years into Dwapara Yuga with Treta Yuga only 70 years away.

I lean toward Sri Yukteswar in that the year 1699 corresponds broadly with the Scientific Revolution, the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution, utterly transforming life on Earth. Newton published Principia Mathematica in 1686.

On the other hand, Sadhguru might be right, because it's not hard to imagine the need for big advances in only 70 years.

I highly doubt you question things any more than me, especially with the beliefs you have (many of which I find completely wierd and just plain NS to be honest). My more rational background makes me skeptical about virtually everything (which undoubtedly hamstrings me spiritually).

Buy hey believe what you must. If it makes you feel better about yourself, I won’t interfere. I get the feeling you’re more about telling yourself warm fuzzy stories and believing, rather than wanting the truth warts and all. Big difference. No kissy kissy kum ba yah group hugs for me. If it helps you, good, but I don’t think it does. Just my opinion.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | July 01, 2020 at 11:14 PM

I’m not afraid to question. I’m not afraid to admit when I’m wrong either. And I’m not afraid of what other people think—if I flip flop it’s because I question and then question my questioning. It’s a process. We all process differently.

For the record (based on one of your unpublished comments) I don’t have a bf. I’ve been married for 20 years. And if you asked my husband he’d tell you it’s only love that keeps us together. If he didn’t completely love me he would have left a long time ago. You can look at that however you want. I’m not All Bad. People who are “All Bad” aren’t lovable. Not lovable enough to stick with for 20 years anyway...

And I never blamed my dad. I don’t go to AA (yes I did briefly a while ago) and I’m anything but suicidal. I’m pretty happy actually. You don’t seem very happy. And most importantly, you don’t know me from Adam.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | July 01, 2020 at 11:14 PM

I’m not afraid to question. I’m not afraid to admit when I’m wrong either. And I’m not afraid of what other people think—if I flip flop it’s because I question and then question my questioning. It’s a process. We all process differently.

For the record (based on one of your unpublished comments) I don’t have a bf. I’ve been married for 20 years. And if you asked my husband he’d tell you it’s only love that keeps us together. If he didn’t completely love me he would have left a long time ago. You can look at that however you want. I’m not All Bad. People who are “All Bad” aren’t lovable. Not lovable enough to stick with for 20 years anyway...

And I never blamed my dad. I don’t go to AA (yes I did briefly a while ago) and I’m anything but suicidal. I’m pretty happy actually. You don’t seem very happy. And most importantly, you don’t know me from Adam.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

Posted by: Sonia | August 02, 2020 at 09:36 PM

And believe me, I know what it’s like to stick with someone for the sole reason that you love them. You start questioning your own sanity for staying in a relationship when everything points to “its time to go”. Love is stupid sometimes. It’s not always blind, sometimes it’s just really stupid. You stick around for no sane rational reason.

Yeah, that’s a lot of fun... talk about karma.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | July 01, 2020 at 11:14 PM

I don’t think you’ve ever truly loved anyone in your entire life.

I’m also glad you can’t respond.

"How do you know I'm not a fraud?"
"How do you know I'm not a fraud?"Some know this better than HE Himself
(All illusion is fraud, . . some like-able)

777

"How do you know I'm not a fraud?"
"How do you know I'm not a fraud?"Some know this better than HE Himself
(All illusion is fraud, . . some like-able)

777

Posted by: 🌜🌞 777 💥💖 | August 03, 2020 at 01:26 PM

I’m not sure exactly what you mean but I do know that all of this is heartbreaking. To invest so many years with a guru who you believed was a perfect Master/GIHF/your best friend. It’s devastating. Why can’t he just clear his name? Why does he seem to keep getting deeper and deeper into karmic debt?

Is it because he’s powerless over a force more powerful than him?

I looked up the names we are given to use in Simran.
Jyot Niranjan means Lucifer/Satan... Who you gonna call?

I looked up the names we are given to use in Simran.
Jyot Niranjan means Lucifer/Satan... Who you gonna call?
Posted by: Jen | August 03, 2020 at 07:49 PM

Yeeeeah... the Sikhs really dislike the Radhasoamis and that’s high up on their list of criticisms. They say the 5 names Satsangis use are the names associated with Kal or the negative power. Actually he’s the power you’d want to go to if you’re interested in worldly things like money, fame, sex... etc.

Jen,

I found this online from a blogger:

“KAL IS WATCHING YOU !
Like other spiritual teachings Rahasoami knows a big personification of all evil forces, the KAL Niranjan , the lord of time(Kala - niranjan is also a name of Shiva), who had fallen off because he had his own plans and wanted to have his own ''loka'' - Satpurush became angry about that and created the lower planes out of him ( where erverything is foreordained..... so even the fall of niranjan ?).

(But, as Guru Huzur admitted, hiddenly Radhasoami works in all things). This KAL is similar to the fallen Lucifer Satanas of Jacob Lorber, who was thrown down into the lower worlds after a hard examination by the lord for ''true godlove''.

Only the Jainism knows a similar cosmic Lokapurusha .

In reality this is the result of the various forces of Maya under the influence of the atmic light and then indirect of KALA, the time, ie. the four lower planes of hinduism, with Rudra and Kali as the personification of the evil on the buddhic or causal plane.”

(a little disturbing to say the least)

They probably should have been a little more choosey when selecting names. Although maybe that’s where the focus is and part of the reason RSSB has expanded so rapidly with massive facilities all over India and abroad.

It’s interesting how people have described vastly different but very powerful stories about the current guru. Some say they literally feel like they’re transported to a powerful state of spiritual bliss in his presence and on the extreme opposite end some say they feel a terrible dread in his presence. I heard stories from some of Charan Singh’s initiates who describes this “dread” when they were standing very close to GSD soon after he was made guru.

Then of course there are the numerous Satsangis who get up in front of the Master at evening Q&As at Dera and ask him why they feel absolutely nothing. They describe it as no love but don’t associate it with fear.

The answer I’m sure has more to do with the nature of projection.

Or it could be a sixth sense. I’m no expert. 🤷‍♀️ But I personally believe he’s extremely psychic. Nothing more than that though.

Jyot means “light”.

Seems all the major religions and cults have passed on basically the same teachings to each other.

“The Latin word "lucifer" means "morning star" or, as an adjective, "light-bringing." But today the name is a synonym for the devil. In Christian tradition, Lucifer was used as the proper name of the devil before his fall from grace. In popular culture Lucifer is synonymous with the devil or Satan.”

Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Christianity and Radhasoami all share some story of an angel that used to be good but was cast out of heaven and eventually cast from the heavens to the earth. Christians in their prophesies about the end of times believe this Lucifer/Jyot Niranjan is cast into human form during the end times. Which in a way is quite interesting. And according to the Bible he has “great wrath” once he realizes he’s been confined to the earthly realm. But he is the Angel of Light and according to the Bible continues to “deceive the nations” by continuously appearing as an angel of light.

I think the end times prophesies are totally whack (until I think about how messed up the world is). But it’s really really dark and I prefer my religion to be all kuchycoo kumbaya.

Dr Phil. : Stop your inner dialogue

777

I would literally give anything to see GSD run through the Golden Temple screaming “burn all the books!”

That would take care of all my problems.

It would be really creepy if Christians had a 5 holy names mantra like RSSB. I mean, keeping with similar hierarchy of gods it would go something like “Lucifer, Morning Star, Jesus, Yahweh, I Am”

Hi Anami! :) You asked: "Are we truly in Kali Yuga?"

I have absolutely no idea (or concern :), but was merely relaying the commonly held belief within RS doctrine that we have been in the "kali yuga" for many centuries, based on the quotes within the SGGS which appear to make that claim: "The Dark Age of Kali Yuga is the knife, and the kings are butchers; righteousness has sprouted wings and flown away. In this dark night of falsehood, the moon of Truth is not visible anywhere.
I have searched in vain, and I am so confused;in this darkness, I cannot find the path.""
SGGS, page 145

Hi Sonia! I hope your brother is recovering well from his surgery....:)

Regarding that Quora article - interesting, thanks for sharing! I liked what the author is saying. It's an incredibly complex, multi-layered issue which isn't easily reducible to this or that absolutist position, imo. Personally, I think these kind of "paranormal" or "psychic" phenomena will inevitably increase the more porous or dissolved the boundaries of "self" or "I" become, and connection to all beings and reality is "felt" for increasingly stable amounts of time? Some (serious scientists, philosophers and academics) would speculate this is due to a lessening of the brain's filtering of reality, consciousness and all that is. However, I would not be at all surprised if incredibly self-obsessed people, possibly psychopaths, could also "manifest" unusually high levels of some types of "paranormal" phenomena around them, with the psychokinesis of poltergeist activity, or other paranormal phenomena "induced" by either deeply repressed psychological crises in the "subconscious" (whatever the freaking hell that may be :), or intensive states of concentration etc.

Re "It’s a numerology thing", "Sorry, I’m foggy right now. It’s 144,000 divided by 666 = 216.216216
216 is the number related to Gevurah." and 777's "there is also MS's patent 060606 on nano RFID chips"...

Funnily enough, some 24 odd years ago, a totally bat shit crazy but eminently "supported" theory occurred to me. I was in a Kabbalah study phase, and it occurred to me to look at the letter/s associated with 6 in the deep rooted system of letter-number associations in ancient Hebrew and Chaldean numerological systems, which it is highly likely the author (John the Elder?) of Revelation would have been aware of. So I thought it somewhat surprising, just around the dawn of the internet, that the only letter associated with "6" is v/w - "vauh", which is the only Hebrew letter that corresponds with the English "W". So, 666 is literally WWW in Hebrew and Chaldean numerology:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c0/49/6e/c0496eb8ac5daa7da65673506f729f31.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/22/97/f8/2297f81f32362a5b55c4c74f5775327a.jpg
https://power-of-numbers.96network.com/images/chaldeantable.jpg
etc

Now if that isn't enough, I dare anyone to read Revelation and not see great parts of it as describing the use of the internet, ie. WWW !!! :-o I wrote about this on the RSS forum some 10 years:
https://groups.io/g/RadhasoamiStudies/message/124937
I don't go into much details because, like now, I could't be bothered - just read Revelation to understand (and keep in mind MS Windows opening sequence, with the clouds :). I wonder if the nutty author of Revelation didn't, indeed, peer into the future and catch skewed glance of all humanity using windows to do their shopping.....and was horrified by the thought.....and didn't spend enough time to realise they were actually loving it immensely! :)

Of course, this entire theory is absolutely nonsensical bullshite, but it is better supported bullshite than most lazy conspiracy theories :)

Re the online blogger who wrote: "Like other spiritual teachings Rahasoami knows a big personification of all evil forces, the KAL Niranjan , the lord of time"

Well, this may well be true. However it goes without saying that "Niranjan" in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib is a term synonymous with "Sat Purush", with no difference whatsoever. It is only in the much later evolution of the cosmology and doctrine of RS did "Niranjan" devolve into merely being the ruler of the "1st region" of sahansdal kanwal: "Āpe āp niranjan so▫e.~He Himself is Immaculate and Pure.", SGGS, page 2, "Aisā nām niranjan ho▫e.~Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord." SGGS, page 3 multiple times!, "So purakẖ niranjan har purakẖ niranjan har agmā agam apārā.~That Primal Being is Immaculate and Pure. The Lord, the Primal Being, is Immaculate and Pure. The Lord is Inaccessible, Unreachable and Unrivalled." page 10, "akul niranjan apar parampar saglee jot tumaaree. ~ He has no ancestry; He is immaculate. He is infinite and endless; O Lord, Your Light is pervading all." SGGS, page 597 etc etc. Enter "niranjan" here:
http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Search&Param=roman
To see many dozens if not hundreds of references to "niranjan" in the SGGS, and see if you can spot the glaring inconsistency with traditional RS claims about Niranjan? Then try "Onkar", I haven't done it myself but know with certainty Onkar is not considered ruler of the 3rd region or whatever, but is in fact entirely identical to "Sat Purush". Indeed, Onkar is given the prominence of being the 2nd word of the entire SGGS!
Ah well, who knew the poets of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, what with their blatant positive and glowing references to breath control, kundalini, niranjan and onkar were agents of Kal after all!? Well, according to a strict interpretation of RS dogma anyway.....;)

Hi Jen - thank you for your really rather wonderful response to that other thread. Beautiful! :)

Hi Tim - thank you for your kind and as always very thoughtful comments :)

Hey OshoR - how's it going brother? :) You wrote in the "RSSB guru asks a good question...." blog comments, "hence listening is the hardest thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nSMi0whFEA
listen to this closely
and part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKOI_N-nvzM
but inevitably you will listen with preconceptions - hence you cannot hear what he says."

Haha, excellent. I truly love the, errrm, other Osho (don't get jealous, I love your Oshoing too :). A most delightful speaker with clearly very deep and intense "realisation". I do wonder though, if that occasional "vague" look in his eyes was a reflection of his later-life drug abuse (no, not the fun drugs my fellow fungonautic fiends, the very, very bad sort :) ? Nonetheless, he remains a peerless speaker, with more life and mischievousness than most, even if the drug addiction was problematic......

Hi Manjit,

My brother is doing really well now. Thanks for asking. :)

You wrote:
Personally, I think these kind of "paranormal" or "psychic" phenomena will inevitably increase the more porous or dissolved the boundaries of "self" or "I" become, and connection to all beings and reality is "felt" for increasingly stable amounts of time? Some (serious scientists, philosophers and academics) would speculate this is due to a lessening of the brain's filtering of reality, consciousness and all that is. However, I would not be at all surprised if incredibly self-obsessed people, possibly psychopaths, could also "manifest" unusually high levels of some types of "paranormal" phenomena around them, with the psychokinesis of poltergeist activity, or other paranormal phenomena "induced" by either deeply repressed psychological crises in the "subconscious" (whatever the freaking hell that may be :), or intensive states of concentration etc.

Me:
This reminds me of the movie ‘The Cell’ starring Jennifer Lopez. It came out in 2000 I think. It was about getting inside the minds of serial killers using psychic abilities.

No doubt if psychic abilities are real they aren’t exclusive to benevolent people. Believe it or not the FBI and CIA both have special units that work on solving crimes of psychopaths that possibly have “psychic” abilities.

It all sounds so weird, I know. But it’s interesting nevertheless.

After my husband’s service with South African special forces he was approached by three different agencies and offered a great deal of money to train soldiers for special missions. Ultimately he turned down two of the offers and took on one of the offers temporarily until he realized it was somewhat criminal—targeting citizens in his own country. But the American agency that tried to recruit him offered him an insane amount of money to train soldiers in Rwanda. He knew the crazy amount of money was due to the fact that it was basically a suicide mission.

That’s when he decided to come to America. He didn’t want to work for the “Americans” he just wanted to be free of the horrifically corrupt apartheid government. Of course, I’m hindsight both governments in SA were corrupt. We take a lot for granted here in America. But as an American citizen you stand a much better chance of being able to live a somewhat sane and normal life.

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