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June 30, 2020

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Dear Karen, You wearing a mask reduces the infected droplets in the area. My wearing a mask reduces the droplets I breath in. If we both wear masks, we more than double the chances of avoiding covid-19.

Here’s your daily dose of happy❣️
https://youtu.be/_BvB0182xag
❤️❤️❤️ 🦁🐯🐻 🥰🥰🥰

There it is the work of Karma
Lions tigers bears chimps bulldogs jaguars all have souls, personalities, feel and appreciate love and affection, across species, across typical instinct.

every living creature has a soul and embodiment of love, while humans watch and marvel at the mystery of the play of love, love in the end owns the heart and owns the world and the universe and the show.

every living creature has a soul and embodiment of love, while humans watch and marvel at the mystery of the play of love, love in the end owns the heart and owns the world and the universe and the show.

Posted by: Apnehochi namastari | July 01, 2020 at 01:58 PM

They do indeed. And according to Kabir there are bedazzled fish among other things in the realm of Mansorvar (above Trikuti). So, aside from simply not eating animals, I think we should appreciate what they can teach us about Love.

@manjit

No, I’m not surprised at all. 😂

Thanks for your suggestion. So, I placed an order for this:

Genius Mushroom – Lions Mane, Cordyceps and Reishi – Immune System Booster & Nootropic Brain Supplement – Wellness Formula for Natural Energy, Stress Relief, Memory & Liver Support, 90 Veggie Pills https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078SJ9F5S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_1ar.Eb8GX8J3F

I’m going to test it out on my husband first since he’s more sensitive to meds/supplements than I am and it’s good for stomach ulcers which is a serious hereditary problem for the men in his family.

I can’t do trippy. I’m interested in it restoring the myelin sheath around nerves and immune support. 🤞

It arrives tomorrow. (Will definitely let you know the results.)

Georgy,

Yes, it’s a big commitment. Seems like your the kind of person that once you’ve committed to something you stick with it come hell or high water.

I totally understand that. I mean, I’m not like you. I’ll start questioning. But it takes me a very long time to commit to anyone—friend or otherwise and once I do it’s extremely difficult for me to walk away. I have only a few friends (well about 10) and I’ve been friends with them for years. I’m the queen of dysfunctional relationships simply because I’d rather stick around and try to make sense of things than start all over. I’m somewhat addicted to change EXCEPT for when it comes to friends and partners. I don’t like change in that area of my life. It takes waaaay too long for me to form new bonds. I don’t know how people can jump in and out of new relationships. It’s the history that gives substance and strength to the foundation between people—even if the history was difficult. It just shows that there’s a determination to make it work.

We’re all different, Georgy. I hope at some point you can appreciate that.

I mean, this blog is a perfect example. I hardly use social media at all. And I may read other blogs and check out comments on Quora and Reddit but I’ve never posted a comment on any of them. I feel like it’s my typical dysfunctional nature, but I’m comfortable with Brian and this blog and the commenters here so I’m pretty much an open book here minus all the shit I would never tell ANYONE 😂 (and there’s more of that than you know).

It takes a long time to get comfortable with people and I certainly don’t expect anyone to be “perfect”.

Tom Papa is hilarious. I think his philosophy on life (surface level) is pretty spot on.

https://youtu.be/ABNus3skvfk

If masks are the answer, why didn't the Masters of Science recommend them from the beginning?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/will-a-face-mask-protect-you-11589842953

It turns out that masks do very little to ensure that germs aren't spread. Ask anyone (like myself) who picked up an infection after surgery in a supposedly sterile OR from a mask-wearing surgical team.

But now it has become an article of faith that masks are the only thing standing between the survival of humanity and a wholesale Wuhan wipeout. There's no scientific evidence for that dogma.

Wearing the mask is like repeating the 5 names or ordering the relentless rennet-less cheese. A bit of virtue signaling to yourself that you're one of the Good People who Cares, and is Making a Difference. But the difference your mask makes to protect you or anyone else is jack squat. Your experts have been wrong about this crisis every step of the way, yet you still show up for satsang.

Or perhaps sporting a mask is like wearing a turban. Omg, don't leave home with it! Without the Fauci Face Diaper ou'll be a social pariah, a renegade, a desecrator of all that is holy.

@7

Have you tried this? (I had to use the tiny url shortened so hopefully you can open the link. I usually use google url shortened but they’ve changed theirs.)

https://tinyurl.com/y9z8vmnh

DHEA has gotten a lot of hype for a few decades now. Just recently I started taking Spirulina and Chlorella daily. Next I’ll try seaweed and nori 🤢 on a weekly basis for full Omega 3s since I can’t take fish oil.

You’re doing great at 83!!!

Kabir lived like 150 or so years (supposedly) which would make you almost middle aged. And that was during the Middle Ages when life expectancy was < 31

There it is the work of Karma
Lions tigers bears chimps bulldogs jaguars all have souls, personalities, feel and appreciate love and affection, across species, across typical instinct.

every living creature has a soul and embodiment of love, while humans watch and marvel at the mystery of the play of love, love in the end owns the heart and owns the world and the universe and the show.

Posted by: Apnehochi namastari | July 01, 2020 at 01:58 PM


Yes, when I meet a person who has completely opposite beliefs or faith than I do, but has noticeably compassionate and empathic actions towards others, it warms my heart. It makes it “real” and serves as a beautiful reminder—there is truly a spirit unifying everything.

J,

Be sure to tell your Dentist, your surgeon, and others in the profession to forego their masks since you
have discovered that they don't work one bit.

Glad to know you are an expert from one anecdote.

Make sure you inform the University of California, San Francisco, since you know stuff they don't.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

@ It turns out that masks do very little to ensure that germs aren't spread.

But even if it prevents only one infection, it could save a
life... or potentially many in an exploding pandemic.

I highly doubt you question things any more than me, especially with the beliefs you have (many of which I find completely wierd and just plain NS to be honest). My more rational background makes me skeptical about virtually everything (which undoubtedly hamstrings me spiritually).

Buy hey believe what you must. If it makes you feel better about yourself, I won’t interfere. I get the feeling you’re more about telling yourself warm fuzzy stories and believing, rather than wanting the truth warts and all. Big difference. No kissy kissy kum ba yah group hugs for me. If it helps you, good, but I don’t think it does. Just my opinion.

For example, I don’t believe in the fairy tales of Rupert Sheldrake. I don’t believe in the use of supplements like eye of newt or any other isolated compound. I don’t believe in alchemy and all the other nonsense you’re researching. I don’t believe in demons, hob-goblins, satanism, the occult and all the other wierd BS that you and others indulge your imaginations in.

Away with the fairies... 🧚‍♀️ 🧚‍♀️

OMG, Georgy, aside from thinking GSD is the be all and end all, what do you believe??

I’m glad you don’t believe in demons. They’re really just shadows of our dark side. You must not have a dark side...

You don’t believe in supplements? Where do you think pharmacology comes from?? Same stuff just taken apart and added with other compounds from nature.

Are you going to tell me you don’t suffer from any physical ailments? Are you in perfect health or do you take some sort of Christian Science approach to health. Talk about fairies. 🧚‍♀️

I guess if I worshipped the guru like he was God then you wouldn’t care what I said about anything else. Well, I would if he weren’t so goddamn mean. Seriously, what does he truly care about? I honestly can’t tell.

Georgy,

You’ve never met me. I’m chill in that I’m not a control freak at all. I let everyone around me (including my pets) live however they want to—as long as they don’t do something completely, insanely ridiculous. But I’m certainly not a huggy huggy person by any stretch of the imagination. I take an extremely avante garde approach to life. And I’m sure that would make you and your black and white mind explode.

Maybe GSD isn’t “mean” but aside from his own family and the Dera (OMG the Dera) I don’t think he cares about anything else. I mean he takes a lot of pride in the Dera. He takes a lot of pride in the size of the sangat. He takes a lot of pride in RSSB being a respected organization. He takes a lot of pride period.

But God help you if you get on his bad side. He just waits for you to finally think it’s safe and then he pounced. That much I finally learned. I would never let my guard down around him again.

But hey, he’s doing a stellar job building RSSB into a highly respected global religiously-spiritual philosophy. Kudos to him. Not sure anyone else could have done what he’s done. And I doubt anyone else would have cared enough to...

You should meet him someday.

How is the guru ‘mean’ and how do I ‘worship’ him?

I believe your antenna is not working properly and that you mistake meanness with goodness, and worship with respect.

I don’t really know what your problem is with the guru but until there is firm evidence for your statements, I won’t believe your fabrications and fairy stories. Sorry, I just won’t.

As for supplements, unless there is some v good reason why you are deficient, our bodies have evolved naturally to digest whole food, not isolated supplements. I suspect for 99% of human beings many of these supplements cause more cancers and health issues than if they were not taken. Two generations of doctors in the family - nature is best cure.

I have no problem with you believing what you want, I just don’t believe in any of it. Again, it’s just a matter of difference. If you believe in the Easter bunny and it makes you happy go for it.

You need to read what is being said, not what you think is being said.

No I don’t believe GSD is the be and end all. Yes, I respect him. No, I don’t worship him. Yes, I think he is good, not mean.

Yes, I don’t think it is right too slander individuals without evidence, and yes I believe if you are going to do so, it is fair and indeed necessary for the same to be done to you.

No, I don’t believe in demons. Yes, I suspect everyone has a dark side. No, this doesn’t mean suicide is okay. Yes, I believe it is selfish, perhaps the most selfish act there is if you have ppl who care about you.

Yes, I think you are a confused sensitive person. Yes, I think the guru cares about you. No, I don’t think you are bad. Yes, I believe you take your own problems and issues in life out on the guru. No I don’t think it’s right that you do so.

Yes I believe evidence-based medicine is a v good thing. No I don’t believe honey-suckle extract, horny goat weed or other supplements will cure any disease or ailment, unless there is objective consistent peer-reviewed double-blind evidence for it (amazon reviews from Aunt Hempseed don’t count).

No I’m not Christian or any other religion. Unlike virtually everyone of you I was born into an atheist household. No I’ve not been initiated. No I’m not american. Yes, I like toast with marmite.

Anything else?

Hi Sonia,

I really liked this line: "I’m going to test it out on my husband first"....haha, must be nice to have a guinea pig to experiment on :)

Yeah give it a go, see if there is any discernible benefits to your well-being. I think the benefits are unquestioned. Contrary to some of Georgy Porgy's typically grossly ignorant and superficial understanding of both generalities (health, healing, science and medicine in general, despite claiming to be from a family of "2 generations of doctors") and specifics (mushrooms, for example), there is an overwhelming body of evidence going back thousands of years of the benefits of those mushrooms. There is also a very large body of recent scientific evidence which supports the usage of them in Chinese medicine for thousands of years, for example. There are literally thousands of articles out there for each of these mushrooms you mention, nearly all of which reference scientific studies which support the real-world beneficial use of these as medicines for millennia, such as here: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323400 https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1536/hericium-erinaceus https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/lions-mane-mushroom etc etc. Even a cursory search would have shown this, but unfortunately a sign of the times and social media is that people patently unqualified, either academically, experientially, informationally or intellectually to discuss a subject, and far worse too lazy to even perform cursory google or wiki searches on a subject, are able to proffer their ignorant and arrogant views just as loudly as somebody who actually does know what they're talking about!

Georgy writes: "No I don’t believe...... other supplements will cure any disease or ailment, unless there is objective consistent peer-reviewed double-blind evidence for it".

To conflate "objective consistent peer-reviewed double-blind evidence" with the effectiveness or not of a medicine is staggeringly naive, a parroting of ideas without any real understanding of the subject. As I have already provided links to several articles (found in less than 1 minute....such hard work this, educating myself!) which in turn refer to possibly hundreds of scientific studies about mushrooms, the point is already absurd. However there is a deeper absurdity, that of mindless deference to the cultural dominant of scientism, that there is no such thing as medicine unless it is an artificial pharmaceutical which has had millions of dollars of "double-blind peer reviewed research" on it. Or the even deeper, but far more complex absurdity of the notion of health as being an entirely materialist reductive problem, an ideology where happiness can be purchased for the price of an artificial pharmaceutical that one is dependant on for life. That's really working out great for you, isn't it, my dear by now surely un-depressed Americans? Oh naive ones, which company is going to spend millions of dollars conducting research on a fungi that can be grown for more or less nothing by everyone in their garage or attic?

It's funny I read these comments today....it happened right after I read a chapter from the so far most excellent and informative "Plant Intelligence and the Imaginal Realm" by Stephen Harrod Buhner. The chapter was about the absolutely mind blowing intelligence of bacteria. And how the arrogant & hubristic views of scientism, unbridled from any kind of holistic understanding of either self, bacteria or the environment in general, led to the unrestrained use of anti-biotics (literally "anti-life"), based on the idea we clever and scientifically all-powerful humans could wipe out these "dangerous" bacteria without any consequences...these are the kind of hubristic illusions and delusions a "scientific" world view which considers mind and consciousness as either illusions or materialistic epi-phenomena, rather than part & parcel of reality, or that intelligence is purely a product of the brain, leads to.

The problem is, no, we humans cannot act on the environment without holistic understanding and not expect any consequences. No, "intelligence" isn't only the product of a "brain". Superficial pop-science, the high priests of atheism and scientism etc may loudly declare otherwise, but those scientists who actually work deeply in these areas have been proclaiming for decades there are huge and vast gaps in our models, and that reality, consciousness, biology, eco-systems etc are far more mysterious and un-understood than these ideological priests proclaim.

Point being, pharmaceutical companies and doctors prescribed anti-biotics - which are non-biodegradable and live in our environment, soil, oceans etc forever - without any restraint. But the bacteria those anti-biotics were targeting are so incredibly intelligent (it really is astonishing, we're talking communication across the world, and across different species & genus, a level of intelligent co-operation that we humans are a very long way from achieving!) that within a few decades bacteria is fast becoming resistant to any potential anti-biotic we can create. Now, antibiotic resistant bacteria are the 4th leading cause of death in the USA: https://www.nrdc.org/experts/david-wallinga-md/drug-resistant-superbugs-4th-leading-cause-death-us. And, apparently, it is only going to get a lot worse......within our lifetimes, scientists believe we will have absolutely no effective antiobiotics left. I'm sure a lot of us comprehend what that implies for healthcare, surgery, hospitals etc, and it is a horrific picture.

So, this is where the masculine world-view of short-sighted, nature-dominating scientism, allied to rampant capitalism but disconnected from nature, consciousness, being etc, leads us. Hubris. Ironically, considering the conversation on this thread, antibiotics are almost always made from fungi! If we could have maintained a more direct and intimate connection with nature, with plants and fungi as medicines, with nature and animals in general, we may have a created a more idyllic society where rampant global capitalism and the delusion of human, scientific mastery over life the universe and everything are not the only values we cherish as a society.....a more deeply connected existence to (as a small part of, not master of) the world, plants, fungi and animals around us, marked by moments of deep joy, happiness, contentment, love, connection and clarity, not based on monetary wealth or possessions, or "followers" or "likes" received etc (and as is evident to me, anyway, nobody I know with these things has ever demonstrated joy and happiness to me......fear, anger, hate, jealousy, ingratitude, sense of privilege and entitlement marked by meltdowns when reality that they are nothing kicks in....yes, all of these abound....but happiness, peace, contentment, love, lack of fear, lack of hate, even in the face of the material circumstances of death and suffering? Cannot be purchased or manufactured in a laboratory).

Ahh, but that too is just a naive dream and fantasy. As is evident from the online space, we humans are far too attached to our delusions and illusions of knowledge, wisdom and understanding, even when it is so exceptionally obvious and clear we are factually and experientially clueless.

Georgy you mentioned you are born in an atheist home. As an atheist what are your views on the creation? Do you believe in the Big Bang? How did this universe come into existence? And do you feel there is anything superior to yourself?

Hi "j",

You write, amongst other profoundly dubious and incoherent defenses of Trump and his various delusions, fantasies and outright lies: "Or perhaps sporting a mask is like wearing a turban. Omg, don't leave home with it! Without the Fauci Face Diaper ou'll be a social pariah, a renegade, a desecrator of all that is holy.".

Hehe. Oh dear. Khalil Gibran once wrote "I have learned silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet strange, I am ungrateful to these teachers." I have to be honest "j", you have been a wonderful teacher to me regarding the Cult of Trump, and I am very grateful to you for that :)

It's truly amusing you are trying to insinuate the mindless "religion" here is that of science (not scientism, which simply has not been a factor in the current fast moving COVID crises, where real-world fast moving science is at the fore and not ideology, which needs time) and face masks......when it is beyond clear that it is the mindless Cult of Trump, with all it's ceaseless disconnection from reality, lies, distortions, mindless and meaningless mantras ("lock her up", "we need to build a wall" etc), appeal to the basest of emotions and identity, bypassing rationality etc, that is really only explicable by the dynamics and psychology of dangerous cults. Yes, dangerous.

I have spent enough time discussing topics with those brainwashed, indoctrinated and conditioned by cults - the vast majority of which nowhere near as dangerous as the cult of Trump - to not be naive enough to think there is any chance of having a constructive, intelligent, fact based discussion on the subject which would cause you to reconsider your irrational beliefs. However, having had online discussions with you for almost 2 decades and respecting your presence and opinions on the old RSS forum, I am certainly staggered - this is the sense in which I learn from you how cultic beliefs can cause intelligent people to act so irrationally - that you are unable to recognise how your belief in Trump as the Perfect Infallible Lord Saviour of all mankind has caused you to repeatedly make utterly absurd, incoherent and easily proven factually disconnected from reality statements?

This goes back to your posts in support of climate change denial/scepticism based purely on blog posts by a pro-Trump cartoon writer, contradicting the vast majority of scientists who actually know what they're talking about. At the time what astounded me most was you did not recognise the sheer absurdity of pitting a singular cartoon writer who clearly didn't know what he was talking about, against 99% of scientific experts (and shamans, visionary travellers, even Gurinder it seems based on his recent videos etc), when it comes to the climate and environment? Because it supported the Saviour Trump's view, which we know is infallible and we as humanity would be silly to take precautions just in case He may be mistaken, and that scientists, mystics and shamans are actually, for once, in accordance and perhaps right. No, of course not! Trump, mistaken? Unbeliever! We absolutely must risk all life on earth based on this Sant's random ramblings, he has never been wrong so far about anything, ever!

Since then you have ceaselessly defended indefensible Trumpian absurdities with incoherent and non sequitur arguments, and very often utterly disconnected from reality - like when you posted an article showing "10 great things about Sant Trump", one of which was that his actions has garnered him and america great respect from the rest of the world, and you posted it at a time when nearly every single country in the world signed a UN mandate or something condemning Trump's unilateral actions in Isreal and Palestine. Since day one Trump has been nothing short of a figure or ridicule and embarrassment across the entire political spectrum all across Europe, and how badly it reflects on America cannot be expressed verbally, but we will all feel the fall-out over the next few decades; nobody considers USA the world leader anymore. But in the mind of a Trump Cultee, the whole world stands in wonderment and awe at the magical perfection of Sant Trump!! I find it hard to conceive of a delusion further disconnected from reality, yet so easily disproved, than this. Yet this will not deter Trumpians from believing!

And here we are now, like a typical brainwashed cult member, you are claiming anyone who disagrees with you is the brainwashed cult member, even though all the evidence points in the other direction and the claim doesn't even make sense applied to Fauci,it is pure Freudian projection.....and more importantly, the virulent and rage-filled (pun intended, on multiple levels :) antagonism to what should be rather simple and inoffensive guideliness, like wearing a mask, reveal the real emotional root of this situation in USA. It is not as if people are being drafted to join armies to fight wars on foreign soils (or dodging the draft, like Sant Trump did.......still, at least he managed to win the Vietnam war single handed, or at least I presume his followers believe so).

There is a reason countries in Asia like South Korea, China, Singapore etc have managed to flatten the curve so very rapidly......and you will note they all wear masks. They are not silly. USA and it's leadership, on the other hand, is looking very, very silly to the rest of the world right now. The face mask isn't Fauci's invention, recommendation or holy symbol - Fauci is simply a representative of a general consensus of medical and scientific experts. Your inability, "j", to recognise that is due to your clearly being brainwashed into the mindless cult of Trump. Whatever he says, you will agree with, and whoever disagrees with him, you will make inane and meaningless criticisms of. The depth of this absurdity has already been plumbed - he knows more about the economy, race-relations, law enforcement, the environment, climate change, health and viruses than all the world's experts combined - and he manages to pull all this off without ever showing any hint he has ever read any book on anything, or demonstrating an IQ higher than my shoe size. Quite some feat......perhaps he is a Perfect Living Master after all?

What did you expect when you voted in a leader whose only platform is hate, division, fear & greed?

Be happy Trumpians, you wanted a wall; now the rest of the world had banned your citizens from entering their countries. There's your wall.

How safe do you feel now?

Anything else?

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | July 02, 2020 at 01:33 AM

I like toast with Marmite too. Just bought a jar yesterday at my favorite store, World Market. It felt so good to walk around and feel like the world was “normal” again. Even though that’s a terrible illusion because COVID-19 is here to stay.

Fair is fair. I’ll concede to that.

Hope you get a chance to read Manjit’s comment. I couldn’t have possibly, not in a month of Sundays, said it better myself.

When I visit South Africa I get to enjoy fresh home grown produce. It isn’t always as pretty or perfect looking as what we have on display in our American stores (because all we care about are appearances) but tastes so much better! And it’s so much healthier!

Well all that is changing for South Africa, Europe and most likely in the land down under. Now that you’re incorporating corporate farming practices you’ll get more and more frankenfoods, more preservatives (most new preservatives are built into the actual packaging itself).

So, because the modern diet is so toxic and healthy foods aren’t so healthy or natural anymore, it’s important to take things like probiotics and vitamins/minerals. If you ever go vegetarian you might seriously want to start eating seaweed or nori OR you could take Spirulina and Chlorella to make sure you’re getting all of your Omega 3s.

I’m surprised you aren’t subscribing to the old school scientific belief that humans evolved to be carnivores. Vitamin B12? Omega 3 and Omega 6?

Would you or would you not agree that you have a very rigid mindset? (Be careful, that puts you at far greater risk for developing Alzheimer’s).

@Georgy, don’t worry I’m not going to talk about your guru anymore. I’ll just keep my guard up and wish you the best.

Howdy Other Jen

Father out-an-our atheist, mother more spiritual. I probably was atheistic/agnostic, but I’m not anymore. I consider religion total rubbish, but have mellowed a bit. If it gives ppl comfort, I’m not going to try take that away. As long as it’s not foisted on me, fine.

Creation is a mystery, but I think the scientific explanation for creation (ie the Big Bang) is still vastly better than any other. What do you you is a better explanation.

However I can definitely understand those who feel the Big Bang theory is still very incomplete. Unlike many physicists, I don’t believe that questions like what came before or caused the Big Bang are meaningless at all. They are the biggest questions and science doesn’t come close to answer this.

As for superiority, many if not most things are superior to me. Actually the atheist view might be that we humans are positively inferior. It was religion who thought humans were special and the earth the Centre of the solar system. It’s only with modem science we realized that the sun, not the earth, is the Centre of our solar system. In universal terms, earth is the 3rd rock from the sun orbiting an exceptional star, amount millions of others in an unexceptional outer part of our galaxy in an unexceptional galaxy.

We are animals, hairless apes, who don’t have many if any superior physical traits, except for our intelligence. I suspect in such a big universe it is likely that there are far more intelligent species than ours that have evolved to be top of the food chain on other planets.

We’ve only existed as a species for a short time, with many others coming and going before us. For most of the existence of our short-lived species, most of us have died way before adulthood. Even if we’re lucky we lead lives that are 80 -100 revolutions around the sun, an eye-blink in time. 99,99% of all the hairless apes that have existed aren’t even remembered and you and me won’t be in a generation or two. As an atheist, there is no afterlife or greater existential meaning during life, so the atheist veiwpoint is about as bleak and grounded as you can get. Whether it’s right or not is another issue.

As a humanist, I don’t like the belief that one tribe or group or even individual is superior to another based on stupid things like colour, creed or sexual tastes.

So in short, no I don’t think I’m superior. Probably lower than dust.

@Georgy, I lied, I am going to say something more about your guru.

So, here it is—about 18 months ago I asked him a question about suicide and his answer put me in such a tailspin that I was literally seconds from taking my own life that evening. (I wonder what he would have thought if I had died that night. Probably, “she deserved it”.)

Then a few weeks ago he’s all “suicide is the most evil thing you can do”.

Full circle.

It’s hard to love someone that you’re pretty certain wants you dead. (Relationships 101)

@manjit

Perfectly well said. 🙏

I read your comment several times (a lot to digest) and I appreciate all of it.

“there is a deeper absurdity, that of mindless deference to the cultural dominant of scientism, that there is no such thing as medicine unless it is an artificial pharmaceutical which has had millions of dollars of "double-blind peer reviewed research" on it. Or the even deeper, but far more complex absurdity of the notion of health as being an entirely materialist reductive problem, an ideology where happiness can be purchased for the price of an artificial pharmaceutical that one is dependant on for life.“

Amen to that!

My GENIUS package should be arriving any minute now. I’ll let you know... I’m super sensitive to all substances. It’s like there’s something seriously impaired with my BBB. That’s why I want to test it on my guinea pig. But he’s more sensitive than I am. It’s just he doesn’t have the same scary neural pathways that I have (which I’m trying to avoid being activated).

Sonia,

Hmmm, a rigid mindset you say.

How many scientific atheists do you know who have adopted a spiritual stance? Not the other way around.

I’m open-minded, but not so open-minded as that my mind falls out. I don’t simply believe in every fad or conspiracy theory that comes along, or any other unsubstantiated rubbish.

I’m not a flake or fool, so yeah if that’s what you mean by being rigid, then fine I am rigid. I believe one should use your brain to discriminate between truth and fiction.

Hinesey Ji’s commandments won’t allow me to post if I give my honest views on Manjit, so I will have to hold my tongue.

But Sonia, excuse my rigidity, but wtf are you even worried about Spirulina in your diet if you are borderline suicidal?

I mean is it just me that’s lost my marbles when I read this ...

Georgy Porgy wrote: "Hinesey Ji’s commandments won’t allow me to post if I give my honest views on Manjit, so I will have to hold my tongue."

Now now Georgy Porgy, no need to hide behind Sir Hines' blog rules, this is an open thread remember. I hereby give my full permission for you to let loose. Don't worry, I won't hold it against you :)

You write: "Anything else" and then "I’m not a flake or fool".

Well, okay, yes, actually, there is something else Georgy "I have absolutely no connection to Gurinder or RSSB" Porgy; What is your age, your background, and how precisely did you come across Gurinder and RSSB? In other words, what exactly is your family connection to RSSB and why do you hide behind obscurity, ambiguity and outright deception? These are simple and basic foundations of decent, honest and mature discussion. It is evident after many months of your posting here you have no interest in sharing any "sat" about yourself (despite clearly being a follower of the religion of "sat"gurus, "sat"sang, "sat"nam etc), these basic foundations of sincere communication, yet have the temerity to criticise, judge and indeed mock posters here who share so openly, so vulnerably their own lives - showing their decent, sincere hearts - those here who clearly have far more experience of RSSB and Gurinder than you, all whilst you yourself hide behind pseudonyms, pure anonymity and deceptions about your own background and association with RSSB etc.

It is beyond obvious - there simply is very little chance any genuinely impartial objective person would consider the bland, non-descript "satsangs" of Gurinder, a guy for whom the only apparent reason for his position is nepotism, a guy clearly heavily involved with greed, fraud and other unpleasantry which no impartial person - by which I mean unrelated by family to the religion, or aged 60+ and involved with the religion for decades - could ever portray Gurinder and his bland teachings and presence as you do. So why don't you admit your actual relationship to this religion and major player in a huge fraud trial?

It is an absolutely absurd situation.

As is your irrational blind belief that Gurinder cares (or even knows) about posters here, or the notion that any and all advice he gives could be nothing but supremely helpful and beneficial simply by sheer fact of his position (inherited via family will....I never realised wisdom and mystical knowledge was vouchsafed this way?), and that anyone who contradicts it would obviously be negative and bad advice.

This is pure delusional cultic nonsense.

Gurinder does try, but he is a fool and an ass. His position gives him far more confidence in his own views than is warranted by reality. His lack of compassion, wisdom, tact and kindness when it comes to issues like mental health and suicide really very telling, regardless of the mindless defence of anything and everything he says by devoted satsangis, no less delusional than acolytes of Trump, the cognitive dissonance must be quite difficult to live with.

He is so confused, I somewhat want to educate him on his foolish and incoherent views, that no doubt are mindlessly believed by his followers despite even a cursory examination of them showing them clearly to be utterly meaningless drivel :)

In his recent series of Q&A videos, Gugu has repeatedly extolled the absolute dominance of "karma" in our lives. I think somewhat prior to those videos, I posted this random screed on the baseless concept of juridical karma as a driver for transmigration or metempsychosis, which is so thoroughly indoctrinated into our world-view that we can no longer see it's edges, so unquestioned this intellectual concept has become in so many minds across the world: https://groups.io/g/RadhasoamiStudies/message/203288 https://groups.io/g/RadhasoamiStudies/message/203342 https://groups.io/g/RadhasoamiStudies/message/203522

Now, I fully suspect the concept of juridical karma is so deeply indoctrinated in the intellectual world-view, that these posts will not make any sense to the vast majority of readers here.

So I will try to simplify and re-apply to the incoherency of Gurinder's views on karma, and by virtue of that the absurdity of his defenders on forums like this who believe defending the cult of RSSB is more important than treating people who admirably open up their flaws & vulnerabilities - like Sonia, Osho R or Spence etc - with DUE respect, kindness and tact.

In the first Gugu video I believe, Gurinder clearly states all our life circumstances are pre-destined by our karma, up to and including the moment and means of death. Further, there is absolutely no possible violation of these "karmas", regardless of how much bhakti or grace we may receive.

In further videos, he clarifies that what can change is our inner reaction to karmas, to life's events, through our meditation, but not the karmas themselves.

Sounds reasonable, no? At this point, I imagine many thousands of satsangis nodding their heads, imagining they've learnt something wise and profound, simply because the great grandson of some other dude in a turban they've never met but read loads of books about said so.

The problem is, no, this really, really isn't reasonable - it is actually profoundly incoherent and meaningless.

You see, dear beloveds, if you can change your inner reaction to "karmas" and life's events......then you obviously also change your outer reaction to those events, which by cause and effect extension, will change your future life circumstances. Therefore it is exceptionally unlikely you will die from, say gang violence, opioid overdose or suicide if you make the choice to pursue meditation and a life of spirituality, via which you became calmer, more peaceful, less reactive to anger, absent of fear, hatred, bigotry and prejudice etc (and, btw, this really can and does happen to people, for absolute certain.....despite what several nihilists may say, people can change if they have the conscious intent to do so).

So it is absolutely clear that Gurinder's distinction between karma and our inner state is a false dichotomy, a mental and conceptual dogma mistaken for some aspect of reality itself, but that obviously makes no practical sense if even a little critical thought is applied to his incessant ramblings on karma :) His view is actually a confused nihilistic one, but one that adds in the incoherent "spiritual" aspect of meditation being able to change your "inner reaction or state" without having any effect whatsoever on your material circumstances......as if you could attain inner peace, happiness and love, yet beat someone to death for looking at you strange......that was just karma, after all!

Absurd and incoherent.

So, to hear Gurinder tactlessly, judgmentally (Kal, anyone?) and patently unskillfully & unhelpfully call suicide a "sin".....when only two videos back he was saying our mode and time of death is predestined and unviolable - more unacknowledged confusion and contradiction, you'll note - is pretty darn unpleasant....and then to hear anonymous RSSB apologists defend this heartless dogma directly in the face of brave and courageous people who have opened up about their struggles with mental health, is an absolute disgrace imo.

This is what cults do, they close you down to reality, and open you up to heartless, joyless, compassionless lives, full of judgement, anger and fear.

But, to each their own I suppose.....

But Sonia, excuse my rigidity, but wtf are you even worried about Spirulina in your diet if you are borderline suicidal?

I mean is it just me that’s lost my marbles when I read this ...

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | July 02, 2020 at 12:20 PM

I’m not suicidal NOW, you idiot. 😂

I was back in Dec 2018 after I realized that I was farther from God than I ever knew.

That was crash test epiphany. Not fun. Not easy on the brain.

Georgy,

You’re 100% right I have know right to slander anyone including the guru. I was devastated in 2018 at Dera. Nothing will ever affect me like that again because I have my guard up. Worst case scenario I get hurt enough that I decide it’s best for me not to watch the Q&As. End of story.

I’ve actually said a lot of good things and objective things about the guru as well. But slander is wrong in any book. I guess it just boils down to my karmic relationship with him but I’m not going to say anything negative anymore because quite frankly it’s hurting me more than anyone else.

I sit in meditation because it’s literally the ONLY thing that takes away my craving for alcohol. It increases the autoimmune symptoms but that’s just because alcohol inhibits the immune system which ironically diminishes the symptoms you get from an autoimmune disease. I guess because it works as sort of an immunosuppressant but at the expense of the rest of your physical and mental health. So, I reckon it’s better to save my soul/mind than to save my body. 🙂

I am a sensitive person, therefore better to avoid any triggers. I’m best if I just do meditation and avoid satsang and Q&A and Dera and anything else that might upset me to where I don’t want to do my meditation.

Like they say, meditation first.

@manjit

I agree with what you wrote. It is what all metaphysical traditions teach:

“You see, dear beloveds, if you can change your inner reaction to "karmas" and life's events......then you obviously also change your outer reaction to those events, which by cause and effect extension, will change your future life circumstances.”

It really confuses me (it blows my mind actually) that people can separate thought from action or effect. It just simply isn’t possible imo. “Thoughts are things.” Thoughts are the building blocks for all actions.

@ So, to hear Gurinder tactlessly, judgmentally (Kal, anyone?) and patently
@ unskillfully & unhelpfully call suicide a "sin".....when only two videos back he
@ was saying our mode and time of death is predestined and unviolable -
@ more unacknowledged confusion and contradiction, you'll note - is pretty
@ darn unpleasant

Hm, judgments are breaking out all over town ;) What mystic
would condone suicide as just a matter of kismet. No matter
what's foregone, they still strive to play along encouraging
hope and making every effort to prevent death including
suicide. It's a human thing.

So that means discouraging suicide since we customarily
accept the notion we make choices and therefore are
appropriately accountable for outcomes. Should a mystic
substitute a less freighted word than "sin"? Probably.

But if he'd said "Bad" or a "regrettable loss of a precious
human life", would it have satisfied critics? Probably not.
They'd cite the suffering of the terminally ill, or, mention
the sensibility of cultures whose elders drown themselves
when they can't pull their weight, or tediously parse the
nuances of "Bad", "Sin", "regrettable".

To counsel it's all predestined and nothing really matters
would garner brickbats... or a nuthouse referral. Even that's
written in ink somewhere. Next time, the message will be
more hopeful. See, it works out in the end. How could it
not?

Covid is a hoax, and this sort of thing https://twitter.com/dan9700/status/1278761028386541570 happens literally every day in America multiple times yet you'll never read about it anywhere.

You are in a cult. Just like Constantine forced everyone to be Christian essentially,
so too are you all being forced to believe in these insane things that have no basis in reality. Things like "white supremacy" and "racism" and "the patriarchy." Did it not occur to you that when your views almost 100% align with everything every single multinational corporation spews that maybe you weren't thinking for yourself?

Watch it once again. This is your future, because you're stupid- https://twitter.com/dan9700/status/1278761028386541570

Manjit, didn't read your whole comment, but your weird screed about borders and shit should be directed at Brian. He once said it was the only thing he agreed with Trump about.

I'm not sure why people like war. Open borders means more violence. Literally always.

@Manjit

Thanks so much for your comments. :)

@ His view is actually a confused nihilistic one, but one that adds in the
@ incoherent "spiritual" aspect of meditation being able to change your
@ "inner reaction or state" without having any effect whatsoever on your
@ material circumstances......as if you could attain inner peace, happiness
@ and love, yet beat someone to death for looking at you strange......that
@ was just karma, after all!

Weirdly, that's the nature of karma. The reverse happens too.
Violence can suddenly, stunningly transform into peaceableness.
Adultery into faithfulness. Greed into charity. But what transfixes
us is devolution: ordinary people on a plane who beat an unruly
passenger, off his meds, to death. Rings of priests engaged in
wholesale pedophilia. A nation that inexplicably sanctions and
joins in mass murder.

We want a different narrative. A spirituality without devolution.
Without a nasty system of karma. One that rescues good people
from this vipers' pit and empowers them through righteous action
and living to mold "this sorry scheme" to something that comports
with our vision.

Unfortunately, the only way out of karma is in. You don't dissolve it
with more action but through awareness. The karma is unchanged.
You rise above it. And that's when eyes glaze over and you object
"Yeah, yeah awareness huh. What about that deacon who killed
his wife and kids. Hey, reminds me, didya hear about that swami
who was doin' the dirty with underage chicks. Don't tell me his
karma made him do it. Can he levitate himself outta jail!"

But hey believe what you must. If it makes you feel better about yourself, I won’t interfere. I get the feeling you’re more about telling yourself warm fuzzy stories and believing, rather than wanting the truth warts and all. Big difference. No kissy kissy kum ba yah group hugs for me. If it helps you, good, but I don’t think it does. Just my opinion.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | July 01, 2020 at 11:14 PM

You’re greatly mistaken. I make tremendous concessions every day to maintain my longtime friendships and family relationships. You have no idea. And I don’t begrudge having to do so because I know that almost every person, despite any undesirable traits they may have, is a good person at heart. Like with my husband. He takes such good care of my parents. He suffers severe PTSD and all of the things that come with that I’m willing to make adjustments and concessions for. If you want a strong and lasting, meaningful relationship with anyone you have to accept them fully. Encourage the good and work around the bad with a positive outlook—allow that person to change in their own time. Believe in others and be patient.

If global warming reaches a level where temp is 60 degree C , it can wipe out most of mankind. Some cunning person will give the argument of air conditioner, but at that temperature it can make electrical equipment dysfunctional.

“Earlier this year, Indonesia announced its plans to move the capital city away from Jakarta. Home to over ten million people, some parts of Jakarta are sinking as much as 25cm per year. Jakarta’s precarious position is thanks to a combination of two factors – rising global sea levels and land subsidence as underground water supplies have been drained away to meet water needs.

This grim picture is repeated elsewhere too. In the Pacific, at least eight islands were swallowed by the sea in the last century, with Tuvalu, Kiribati and the Marshall Islands feared to be the next low-lying nations to be wiped off the map.“

Scientists estimate dozens of species of plants and animals currently go extinct each day —nearly 1,000 times the natural rate. By mid-century, as many as 30 to 50 percent of the total species found on Earth will have disappeared.

Well, my mushrooms are running late. Amazon apologized but couldn’t give any specifics other than it should be here tomorrow. Hopefully.

Genius Mushroom – Lions Mane, Cordyceps and Reishi – Immune System Booster & Nootropic Brain Supplement – Wellness Formula for Natural Energy, Stress Relief, Memory & Liver Support, 90 Veggie Pills

The thing is, I take plenty-o-allopathic prescriptions daily and it helps to try to boost your immune system with alternative meds. (Pharmaca is my second favorite store).

We had a vegan co-op in Knoxville, TN that was better than any co-op in Boulder or anywhere else I’ve lived. And they were cheap! It was so earthy and heavenly natural smelling. Ahh... not everything was better in the good ol’ days but somethings definitely were.

Our co-op here has been around since 1972 and is more expensive than Whole Foods. How are people supposed to stay healthy??

I’m curious if any of you in other countries have better access to affordable healthy, non GMO, pesticide free fresh foods and herbs and supplements. ??

Its a strange world. I watched a lot of youtube videos of the Black Lives Matter protests and at the same time thinking why now? Certainly no social distancing happening.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/13/us/george-floyd-protests-cities-photos.html

The demonstrators — black, brown, white, a mix of fed-up first-timers and veterans who had marched many times on those same streets — could not be stopped.

Not the risk of contracting Covid-19, not the tweets from a president who threatened military might, not a tornado in Florida or a tropical storm in North Carolina.

Georgy, I hope you watch 011. There are a lot of important lessons in there for you.

Not the risk of contracting Covid-19, not the tweets from a president who threatened military might, not a tornado in Florida or a tropical storm in North Carolina.
Posted by: Jen | July 03, 2020 at 08:51 PM

Yes, it’s truly mind boggling. Is it really that difficult for people to practice social distancing, wear masks and wash their hands? People act so put out by it but look at America’s COVID stats!

There was a movie out in 2006 starring Luke Wilson called ‘Idocracy’. Here’s the trailer: https://youtu.be/clYwX8Z43zg

Some days after reading the news it feels like we’re living in 2505.

“Life is a series of workarounds.”
—Life


“Luminous beings are we…not this crude matter.”
—Yoda

Georgy, I hope you watch 011. There are a lot of important lessons in there for you.

Posted by: Sonia | July 03, 2020 at 10:39 PM

Can’t keep away can you?

I’m objective and I’ll give credit where credit is due. GSD said something utterly brilliant in 011 which opened the door to a new world for me. He said if everyone got what they wanted the world would be chaos.

That may sound like a simple statement but it’s actually quite profound and I’ve never heard it put like that before. Here in America and so many first world countries where Capitalism reigns supreme, there has long been the ideal that the power of intention will get you whatever you want. We shy away from Stoic philosophy and refuse to appreciate the power and true gift of peace, calm and gratitude that acceptance brings.

There was something so reassuring and enlightening about that statement. Especially since he said it without any sort of judgement. (It’s always easier to digest a new concept when it’s said objectively.)

Can’t keep away can you?

Posted by: Other Jen | July 04, 2020 at 09:06 AM

Haha... are you just now figuring that out? I’ve never been a fake person. If I don’t agree with something I’ll say so... and I’m fine with admitting I’m wrong too. I’m not a follower or friend to anyone just because of what they may be able to do for me. I care about the truth. But I’m beginning to believe the best analogy for truth in this world is a treasure map. The treasure is there but you have to do a lot of digging to get to it. Sure, some find it easier than others. But it’s not a race, is it?

Hi Jen!
In all those BLM pictures they wore masks.

In contrast, at the white Republican racist gatherings they don't wear masks. They have no understanding of basic hygiene during a pandemic nor basic citizenship.

https://youtu.be/_CcBeQAq2DI

Manjit
I enjoyed reading your juridical karma article. I agree that it is your best writing.
It struck a chord, the notion of rebirth as a common occurrence.
I have spent a lot of time believing in God, then changing my mind.
When I imagine the size of the Universe, with its vast array of stars, galaxies, black holes and other wonders, to limit life to this one singular planet seems absurd.
It makes me question why did God bother to create the rest of the Universe?
Add to this, the different religions around the world, each with their own saviour, specific only to the believers of that particular God.

Recently, I’ve been listening to Sylosis. Conclusion of an Age and Edge of the Earth albums. To me the songs are about a Godless life and Godless death.
A Godless life, a Godless death. Maybes a rebirth into another human body. How cool is that.

Hi Spence, yes I did notice that most of them were wearing masks. So much turmoil in the world today.

Every morning and afternoon I go for a walk near the ocean and a river nearby. I think its keeping me alive and well. I'm not very good at meditating but I do believe and feel the healing power of nature.

https://aeon.co/essays/why-forests-and-rivers-are-the-most-potent-health-tonic-around

"Colorado River guides know that nature enhances our physical and mental lives. ‘For decades, I’ve believed that I’m part of nature,’ Winn says, ‘not separate from it or “above” it. Many years ago, I studied Zen Buddhism and learned to meditate. Eventually I found that just hanging out on desert rivers had the same effect as meditation – no stress’."

Hi
Beautifully stated
"Eventually I found that just hanging out on desert rivers had the same effect as meditation – no stress’."

When you are in the center, nothing in heaven or earth is a greater treasure.

Sonia you flip flop a lot that’s what confuses me. But your right it’s not a race, just in the process don’t hurt others and speak ill of anyone that’s all u recommend. Happy treasure hunting 😊

Sonia you flip flop a lot that’s what confuses me. But your right it’s not a race, just in the process don’t hurt others and speak ill of anyone that’s all u recommend. Happy treasure hunting 😊

Posted by: The other jen | July 05, 2020 at 09:59 AM

The battle between my mind and my heart... I’m pretty much done flopping, though. It’s taken two years to work through some very serious issues. Not sure why we don’t learn things quicker. It seems no matter how hard we try there seems to be a certain order of events that have to play out in time.

One of the most difficult things to adjust to is that when we move away from Sant Mat and have stopped believing in the guru we start to realise that we are now functioning on our own accord. This is when the ego will try to be more powerful because we are taking back our own personal power and at the same time we are trying to be humble and gracious and this will create confusion. I'm an old gal now and a Dylan Thomas poem comes to my mind...

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good light...

https://poets.org/poem/do-not-go-gentle-good-night

Strange and interesting typo, should be good night... not good light !!

Ahh... my link was bad. I posted a while back showing Marshall. Here he is trying to play with the baby Robin. This was just before the bird was strong enough to fly away.
https://twitter.com/marshal03068516/status/1279942838965481472?s=21

@ Because their words had forked no lightning they
@ Do not go gentle into that good light...

@@ "Strange and interesting typo, should be good night... not good light !!"

Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good light...

Listen not to promises from within that
no shadows remain, to whispers all
will be well. Rage at a light that turns
to night.

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Hold fast to the eternal light.


I hate to break it to you but Marshall is going to chomp that bird as an appetizer before you can even say wtf.

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