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June 15, 2020

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@ Yes, but to say that suicide is the worst sin a human being could commit
@ (as GSD said in 010) is to say that one is predestined to commit sins. Also,
@ it’s like saying that a person can slaughter a million people but if another
@ person leads an average life not committing any crimes against humanity
@ but takes their own life that that person is somehow more evil.

Yes, that's the nastiness of the theory of karma. You're bound
by the relentless chain of events you've entrapped yourself in.
It's you committing actions then reactively thinking/judging
what the reward and punishment will be.

In other words, even thoughts are part of this grinding karma
machinery. If you commit suicide, then there's a predestined
reactive thought "Uh oh, that was a no-no. The big Kahuna
too. There's gonna be hell to pay for that." So. the gears whir
behind the scenes and the drama master auto-magically
writes a "punishment scene".

You probably aren't even aware you've thought about the
punishment. Our self-awareness is so fragmented and attention
so anemic we don't pick up that this monotonous pattern is
always occurring in consciousness. Endless choreographed
sequences of thought ad nauseum. Good acts, then reward.
Bad acts, then punishment. Very mechanical. Once a thought
is imprinted in the mind you're on the roller-coaster. Sick, very
sick, right?

The mystic says the good news is that there's an escape hatch.
We set one up when we cooked up this sick scheme. Roller
coasters are fun until nausea overtakes you. Then you want the
hell off... right now, not when the ride finishes which it never
does of course.

So how does the exit ramp work? That's a more advanced
course I'm in no way qualified to speak about. It's a course of
mindfulness that takes you inside, back into consciousness
itself. That you set up too, complete with a stage actor to
prattle to you at your level. Plenty of sermons and chock full
of lofty sentiments about love and devotion and humility.

Maybe it seems unicorn-ish now but you'll start feeling better
once you step outta that damn roller-coaster. Don't just trust
empty promises though. Insist on getting something for that
nausea right away.

“Plus, Great Master’s wife was so miserable that she asked him if she could die and he said she had her grandson’s funeral to attend (Charan) and she didn’t care. She just wanted to die. So he told her to go ask her Master and she told him she had and that her Master told her to ask her husband. ANYWAY (what a bizarre story now that I think about it) she died.“

Posted by: S | June 28, 2020 at 12:13 AM

Meant to say “grandson’s wedding” (obviously).

In other news....
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/28/asia/india-largest-coronavirus-hospital-delhi-scli-intl/index.html

Anami/ spensor
U laugh at demons/ supernatural forces yet you believe a guy with a turban on a stage is god in human form, who talks about his previous master and so called many layers factual, and who spensor says he talks to, what a complete contradiction. Both positive forces and negative forces exist. Why do you think rssb and spensor don't mention these negative forces and dismiss them as only projections of your mind? It's because these negative forces don't want you to think they exist and everything is just love and light, what a perfect trap from kaal. These forces are totally against your betterment, and thrive off your worship and fears . Rssb and GSD work for the negative, and a very clever way of trapping souls that think they are getting enlightenment or salvation. Anami you mention christianity, but doesnt the fake guru very happy to quote regularly from the bible? But there are 66 books in the bible which talk extensively about the negative forces, why has the fake guru forgotten to mention them, and just dismisses them as projections , what a hypocrite, selective teachings that only serve the survival of the rssb business

Anami
Just live your own life. Stop running to people that make so much effort to look like a perfect guru and that sit on a stage and that chat absolute bull, for answers. Answers you can google or listen to a 5 year old kid for better clarity. If you can do that, then you learned your lessons, theres no magic pill.

@Uchit

I wouldn’t go so far as to say GSD and RSSB (which heretofore I will refer to as “The Council”) are working for the negative. We all contribute to the negative to some degree—that’s the unfortunate inherent nature of humanity—we’re not perfect. However, there are forces that intentionally manifest negativity. Just not the ones you’re familiar with. And yes, “evil” does exist. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. We know this to be true. It’s also true that for every positive force there is an equal and opposite negative force. Well, almost every positive. There is a point where evil doesn’t exist but we’re all so far from that that you might as well assume it does exist and be on your guard and avoid it.

The dark night of the soul is all about that. I doubt Spence or The Council or GSD would disagree with that. It’s not that they’re in a state of denial, they’re just trying to focus on the positive to give power to the positive not the negative.

If you focus on dark forces, you are more likely to attract them into your life. Coincidentally I just had a 2 hour conversation over pizza and brownies with a bunch of 13/14/15 year olds about this. Teenagers can be quite naive wanting to investigate “true” stories of hauntings and possessions. Seems feather ridiculous to an adult but sometimes when you’re young you just don’t know any better and you go looking into things you shouldn’t. You start wandering into territories where “angels fear to tread”. All of these scriptures are just powerful metaphors. They’re just metaphors but they should be ignored because “as a man thinketh, so his life shall be”.

But I’m no preacher. Just sayin’ please don’t go all Rosemary’s Baby on us.

Updated edit:

@Uchit

I wouldn’t go so far as to say GSD and RSSB (which heretofore I will refer to as “The Council”) are working for the negative. We all contribute to the negative to some degree—that’s the unfortunate inherent nature of humanity—we’re not perfect. However, there are forces that intentionally manifest negativity. Just not the ones you’re familiar with. And yes, “evil” does exist. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. We know this to be true. It’s also true that for every positive force there is an equal and opposite negative force. Well, almost every positive. There is a point where evil doesn’t exist but we’re all so far from that that you might as well assume it does exist and be on your guard and avoid it.

The dark night of the soul is all about that. I doubt Spence or The Council or GSD would disagree with that. It’s not that they’re in a state of denial, they’re just trying to focus on the positive to give power to the positive not the negative.

If you focus on dark forces, you are more likely to attract them into your life. Coincidentally I just had a 2 hour conversation over pizza and brownies with a bunch of 13/14/15 year olds about this. Teenagers can be quite naive wanting to investigate “true” stories of hauntings and possessions. Seems rather ridiculous to an adult but sometimes when you’re young you just don’t know any better and you go looking into things you shouldn’t. You start wandering into territories where “angels fear to tread”. All of these scriptures are just powerful metaphors. They’re just metaphors but they shouldn’t be ignored because “as a man thinketh, so his life shall be”.

But I’m no preacher. Just sayin’ please don’t go all Rosemary’s Baby on us.

Posted by: S | June 28, 2020 at 06:04 PM

@ U laugh at demons/ supernatural forces yet you believe a guy with a turban on
@ a stage is god in human form...

You're right. The stage actor with a turban isn't GIHF. He says
he's only a sevadar of his own master and the real form of
the master is inside you and can be realized there. Yes, he
explicitly directs disciples to go inside to find and verify that
the real master is within. He himself is only a friend pointing
the way. He adds that we're all potentially GIHF when our
awareness reaches that level however. No turbans required.

If the RSSB practice doesn't deliver, cast it to the demons
and follow another. Great Master encouraged Ishwar Puri
to do exactly that and tell him if he found a better way. He
was open to it. Was this offer just a trick of a demonic cult
master? Go in and see. In all sincerity, come back and
explain what you find.

Uchit,

Oh, you're an atheist? Me too!

@anami

Are you really atheist? Just curious. You’re comments are clever but usually not very revealing. You’re kinda stealthy.

But I do know you live in an apartment somewhere in the Brooklyn-ish area. (That narrows it down.)

Uchit,

In all seriousness, I hope you’re not worried about demons and evil spirits. Just tell them to go to the light. That’s what I do. 🤷‍♀️ 😉 I’d rather send them to heaven than have them hanging around me. (Think about it. I’m just trying to illustrate a point here.)

Some famous idiot said there’s nothing to fear but fear itself. The truth is, that is the worst kind of fear there is.

—S for Sonia because I’m too lazy to type out my full name. (Actually I like it because it’s gender neutral.)

Hi Dungness,
About Karma..
I stopped thinking,feeling,being frightned of that.
Point Period :0)!
Living in the here and now is Fun...or sometimes not.. and then it's just not fun in that moment..
Living in here and now..from moment to moment..feels soo yeahh sooo Freeing.

It has been terrible frightened for me the Karma thing.
It is no Love.. it is just frightening in my feeling.
Maybe people learn, I do not know.
When people or living souls only learn from karmic pains..ohh my good Lord..
Why is that then?
So just letting go is the best..

Sonia,

Yes, atheist. What does "God" even mean? People argue to the point of war and atrocity. The safer pursuit might be "Self."

Uchit,

Maybe that's what you mean in a way but without the mysticism. In your opinion is all mysticism satanic and delusional?

@ Anami

If one suffers from nightmares and other nasty inner experiences,
where does one gor for help,
if one cannot solve the problem?!

To psychiatrists or clergy men.

Which religious denomination is most interested in demons, sects, guru's etc?

Anami Sonia spensor
You laugh at demons / unseen forces yet you believe a man that works very hard to look like a guru who talks about talking to spirits, his master, and inner regions without any proof, how hypocritical. You are told to see everything as love and light and a mental projection, therefore fail to see the negative forces can manipulate innocent souls as angels of light but with dark agendas. You mention christianity as a label yet doesnt charan and gsd very happily quote from the bible, only those parts that support the rssb agenda. But they convieniantly fail to mention that there are 66 books in the bible and many speak of these demonic forces and to be beware false prophets and promises. In fact S talks about the hexes and spiritual portals around satsang house in dera , have a look at google maps.

@ When people or living souls only learn from karmic pains..ohh my good Lord..
@ Why is that then?
@ So just letting go is the best..

Hi S, yes, I have no idea :). I agree letting go is best...or
some version of it. And we don't learn anything that deep
inside we didn't already know. We blindfold ourselves. Is it
just to feel something. To feel fear and sigh in relief when it's
over. To know friendship, love. To live in the moment and be
eternally be grateful. To have peace and stillness after long
struggle. To arrive where we started?

"We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our
exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the
place for the first time." - T. S. Eliot

OMG, Uchit, I do not deny the existence of demons and I certainly don’t laugh at them. I know better than anyone that they exist. But you shouldn’t believe that the negative is stronger than the positive. Demons want the same thing we do—to be free, forgiven and to go Home. (And whatever you do, don’t try to send them to hell. Trust me.)

@anami

Yeah, that’s the million dollar question—“what does God even mean?”

I included this clip on open thread but I could watch it over and over and over again. I just love it. It brings science and consciousness together for me in a way that makes more sense.

(Rupert Sheldrake again)
The Rebirth of Nature
https://youtu.be/90fD3FWL53s

Again joking about the magic thing. But here’s a pic: https://images.app.goo.gl/tzKsMrZrz52JwJEG8

It’s a 5 pointed star but not a pentagram because it’s encased in a pentagon and not a circle (Wicca 101).

They’re probably more closely affiliated with the Illuminati. Wicca is so high school.

(again, jk)

Um,

Yes, I hear what you're saying.

Thanks Dungness,

Idd we come to a stillplace at times,what we recognise
There is acceptence..

Dera Beas is sorry sadistic place where an individual places his trust to a deceptive Santa who never gives any presents to anyone except himself. Fattening and Indulging himself to extreme gluttoney. BABA GSD Black Sheep, time for the butcher to take his share back. Karma's a *itch

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