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April 02, 2020

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More on the Gurinder video, and using deras for CV centers.
https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/govt-mulls-turning-religious-centres-into-quarantine-facilities-120040201333_1.html

Well, if our hospitals and doctors are struggling as much as they are this side, then any third world country will have an even more difficult time.

The US is supposed to be the leader of the free world and yet COVID-19 has turned our medical communities into a M.A.S.H. war zone.

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“New York City officials are looking to the hotel industry to increase hospital bed capacity.

At least 20 hotels have signed contracts with the city in recent days, all part of an effort to convert hotel rooms into additional hospital space as the city grapples with the coronavirus health crisis, which has sickened thousands and killed hundreds of New Yorkers.”

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/04/01/coronavirus-in-nyc-update-hotels-to-be-converted-into-additional-hospital-space

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“ There is a coronavirus ward in tents in Central Park. A makeshift hospital has been set up in a Manhattan convention center. Over the next few weeks, spaces including pro tennis courts, college dorms and a cruise ship terminal are supposed to start housing patients as New York state races to roughly triple its hospital capacity.

And still, officials worry whether the massive effort will be enough in the U.S. epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic.”

https://apnews.com/d859f6585165df047e74cc03f35d7c46

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Good luck rest of the world... China and the US with all of their technology, strong infrastructure and medical expertise have been brutally battered by C19 and it’s just getting started. We’re anticipating our biggest spike in numbers to happen in a few weeks.

Just pray the citizens of “less fortunate” countries have inherited a stronger immune system.

It must be a Govt hospital with free consultancy and subsidized medicines which is meant to cater the general public especially the poor. In a scenario when mostly the private doctors and their clinics are shut the burden is felt by the Govt hospitals. Hence the extra patient turn out is making a worse facility into worst.

None can help except God. Pray that despite such a state of facility in India mostly the outbreak may get contained sooner, my Lord. And so be it around the World. Its getting extremely pathetic each day.

I am curious ... what Indian city was that hospital in .... and would you mind naming the hospital?

Thanks !

This is a scene of govt. run hospital.

In India the govt. healthcare services do not work the way it is in US and many other nations.
This person surely didn't want to spend money and so he got what he paid (didn't pay) for.

I frequent the private hospitals in India and they are very neat and clean and hygienic just the way you would expect from a hospital.

But the point of your post Brian, yes India is going to be in severe crisis if the community out break happens. Majority of people here just can not afford a decent healthcare service at privately run hospitals - they will rush to these govt. hospitals and they simply are not capable to handle it.

So far the lockdown is really helping India to deal with this tough situation and actually that's the only possible solution in India and I think in other nations as well!
Most likely the lockdown is going to get extended even after 14th April because there is simply no other way, removing the lockdown will be a suicide for India.


Ooops do I calculate right basis numbers as of 4th April

USA:

Cases. 277467
Death. 7402
% mortality. 2.67%


India:

Cases. 2567
Deaths. 72
% mortality. 2.80%

Ooops do I calculate right basis numbers as of 4th April

USA:

Cases. 277467
Death. 7402
% mortality. 2.67%


India:

Cases. 2567
Deaths. 72
% mortality. 2.80%

Posted by: Rob | April 03, 2020 at 09:15 PM

Mortality rate is about the same, but these numbers and the different models are so difficult to interpret because we don’t know how many people are being tested.

Overall, India is doing better possibly due to a few unique factors (similar to why many African countries are seeing lower numbers); respiratory disease immunizations and history of malaria treatment programs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4001331/

Interestingly, years ago Bill and Melinda Gates set a goal to eradicate malaria worldwide. In the countries hardest hit by malaria there seem to be less cases of C19. But of course, that’s an anecdotal observation at best and time will tell what course the corona virus takes.

Sometimes I wonder why we don’t get just as alarmist over illnesses like malaria and seasonal flu.

2019 Malaria Stats show countries hardest hit (which coincidentally have lower cases of COVID-19): https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/world-malaria-report-2019

These are crazy numbers, but it’s Africa so no one seems to care...

“There were about 155 million malaria cases in the 11 high burden to high impact (HBHI) countries in 2018, compared with 177 million in 2010. The Democratic Republic of the Congo and Nigeria accounted for 84 million (54%) of total cases.”

Government hospitals in South Africa are on par with Government hospitals in India. When I was in South Africa and had to go to the hospital I learned all about it. Private care was amazing. Truly exceptional. Whereas, government run hospitals were barely adequate at best. If you stay in an SA gov’t hospital you have to buy your own blankets and food. They don’t provide blankets. Not sure what they provide other than staff and medicines.

You think India is weird but it’s almost surreal describing life in South Africa where there has been a 1st world / 3rd world quality of life running parallel for decades... maybe even a few centuries. The townships can barely keep Corona beer in stock because the Africans aren’t having to work (21 day lockdown) and are celebrating calling it the White man’s disease. (Maybe there’s a little truth in that.)

Mortality rate is about the same, but these numbers and the different models are so difficult to interpret because we don’t know how many people are being tested.

Posted by: Sonia | April 03, 2020 at 10:58 PM

One may argue India isn't testing enough. So what does this mean? Number of cases underreported??

Can't underreport the number of deaths ya. And each death certificate has the cause. Difficult to fudge number of deaths due to corona. India am sure isn't like China. Enough Modi haters and baiters. I believe it's called the Lutyens gang - still very powerful.

And is it that nobody wants to put up a blog about the pathetic handling of Covid19 by the USA?

And is it that nobody wants to put up a blog about the pathetic handling of Covid19 by the USA?

Posted by: Rob | April 04, 2020 at 12:03 AM

Ummm... I watch CNN more than I should these days and if you need someone to tell you how pathetically the US is handling COVID-19, they are in total agreement with you.

I’m not a “Modi hater”. Far from it.

Like I said, there may be some truth in the Africans’ saying “Corona is a White man’s disease”. I say that in the sense that all the predominantly White democratic countries have been ravaged by COVID-19.

India just might emerge as one of the strongest democracies in the world after this pandemic has finally made its exit.

Maybe “ravaged” isn’t the right word. I should have said “hardest hit”.

USA, Europe, Canada, and Australia are the biggest hot spots right now.

"And is it that nobody wants to put up a blog about the pathetic handling of Covid19 by the USA?"

Rob, you sensitive little child, there are 1000's of blogs about America's handling and mishandling of coronavirus. I recently saw a meme that said "The internet proves that lack of access to information is proven not to be the cause of human stupidity." Poignant! You have all the information in the world in your hand, but you can't be bothered to access it. It's miraculous.

"Can't underreport the number of deaths ya. And each death certificate has the cause. Difficult to fudge number of deaths due to corona."

As for death tolls, under/over/misreporting are standard. Does anyone actually die from coronavirus itself anyway? They die from any other number of things that corona may or may not exacerbate from what I can tell. Which is why a child recently who was already almost dead in the hospital from non-corona reasons gets it and dies but the preexisting conditions aren't blamed, and in the reverse, a thousand people may die at home from fevers and other common flu symptoms which came from the coronavirus, but nobody's gonna test them after death, especially if they're older, so we'll never know cause.

If you think any of the numbers about corona are accurate anywhere in the world, you're not paying attention to anything. This is the most chaotic situation and basically everyone has a vested interest and reports what they want to believe. This includes hospitals, governments and international health orgs. Death certificates mean nothing, especially in India where nobody even gets a death certificate or an autopsy, and the ones that are provided are notoriously inaccurate as has been reported recently.

Modi is an idiot by the way, but just not for his being a hardcore nationalist as most people say. He's an incompetent man in a position he's absolutely unqualified for. He makes Trump at his worst moments look like a mastermind.

"And is it that nobody wants to put up a blog about the pathetic handling of Covid19 by the USA?"

I guess. But it's because the people who say it's pathetic don't seem willing to say how or why it's pathetic.
These are the same people who cried "xenophobia" when travel was closed off to China and Europe.

I find it ironic that the xenophobia criers -- who just last month said social distancing was just an expression of racism -- are now the people who feel they have the moral high ground.

I now believe “How to Handle a Pandemic” is a far more decisive issue than religion or politics.

Who knew... I guess it’s the fear factor. Seems everyone’s blaming the different governments and other countries.

*Divisive (I swear I corrected that but autocorrect won)

awtoqirekt

Rob, you sensitive little child, there are 1000's of blogs about America's handling and mishandling of coronavirus. I recently saw a meme that said "The internet proves that lack of access to information is proven not to be the cause of human stupidity." Poignant! You have all the information in the world in your hand, but you can't be bothered to access it. It's miraculous.

Posted by: Jesse May | April 04, 2020 at 06:54 AM

Direct this to the one who felt ONE FOREIGNER's tale is worth a mention in here when there is more than enough shit to write about his own country and a few dozen or more.

You were in India too right. LoL. Your non existent ability to pick up sarcasm isn't a well kept secret.

Modi is an idiot by the way, but just not for his being a hardcore nationalist as most people say. He's an incompetent man in a position he's absolutely unqualified for. He makes Trump at his worst moments look like a mastermind.

Posted by: Jesse May | April 04, 2020 at 06:54 AM

LoL!!!!!!! Easter is fast approaching - am sure under the mastermind, USA is gonna have a ball this Easter. Do post how you celebrated Easter ya. The mastermind is the best person to handle the pandemic. Afterall his uncle was a professor at MIT.

Did you know the mastermind has started on his ex-president venture. Here is it for your benefit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BKSXZ-1TShQ

Here's a message I got from the person who had this scary experience in India:
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In the comments some people are saying that it's a government hospital that I went to, which is true. But what they're ignorant of is the fact that all covid patients must go to the same hospitals. There is no private place you're allowed to go.

When you're considered as someone who might have the virus you don't get a choice but are assigned the places the government has set up specifically for coronavirus diagnosis and treatment. The vast, vast majority of Indians use only government hospitals so they're the only relevant thing to consider in the case of corona spreading.

Also, I've been to private hospitals in India, some of the best ones, and anyone saying that they're as good as western ones is either a liar or doesn't know what they're talking about because they've never been to a western facility. The private places in India are basically the same low quality doctors in expensive rooms with better equipment, floor tiles and lights.

Aside from the shabby and unhygienic facilities themselves, most doctors in India do not ask the most basic questions about if one is currently on any medications already or if the patient has allergies to any medicines. I was nearly dying of dehydration and fever once and a "great" doctor at an Apollo Hospital in Delhi didn't even take my temperature.

Their negligence alone results in many deaths which aren't tracked because it's the 3rd world and they're basically lawless and the population is aware of it enough that they routinely attack private hospitals in mobs as revenge for doctors negligence. The lack of professionalism extends to foreign doctors in USA being overrepresented in malpractice as well, but that's another topic altogether.

Private or public, India isn’t one of the leading, primarily white democracies in this world (which this insidious virus seems hellbent on destroying).

I think COVID-19 is racist. 😂 But it’s probably about time... we’re not so innocent.

Despite the writer’s unfortunate trip to the hospital in India, actually might have been a wise move for him to be searching for investment properties in India.

Here's a message I got from the person who had this scary experience in India:

Posted by: Brian Hines | April 04, 2020 at 11:01 AM

Brian,

Since when have you turned someone's spokesperson?

Teach him how to post directly. Or is it that this individual doesn't have the balls to post directly that he/she routes it through you?

@Rob

You live in India, right? Which part? Are the private hospitals in your area taking only non-Covid19 patients?

Rob, I got a private message from this person that was directed only to me. I found it interesting, so asked the person if I could share part of the message as a comment. I was the one who wanted to do this, so I posted the comment under my name. To quote me, 'It's my blog, and I can do what I want with it."

Another Westerner kisses the tarmac after his sojourn East. I can relate.

I received excellent medical care while in Asia (Thailand). In many ways medical care there is better than in the West. You want to see a doctor, you see him that day. If surgery is necessary, you get surgery tomorrow. The costs are a fraction of what you'd pay in the West, and there's far less of the rigamarole. I was going to the private hospitals, but my friends who received public care said it was also very good. Also, I was told that there's less risk of infection because the Eastern hospitals can afford to staff people to clean and clean and clean. Probably much of the healthcare dollar over there goes directly to the doctors without a huge chunk siphoned off by insurers and lawyers as is the practice in the states.

About 10 years ago there was much buzz about India being the best place for medical tourism. Best prices, and best care. Frankly, I was a bit skeptical and I guess rightfully so.

"I find it ironic that the xenophobia criers -- who just last month said social distancing was just an expression of racism -- are now the people who feel they have the moral high ground."

J, it's also interesting to note that those same criers never mention the policies or actions of non-"Western" people and governments. When China sealed its borders to all foreigners, and even started repatriating foreigners nobody had much to say about it. Nobody has ever said anything about the fact that China has never let a non Chinese person become a citizen, either. That one is pretty big, but I guess hypocrisy rules us all.

I should correct my statement about Modi from earlier. It's quite possible that he's not an idiot, and is in fact a political genius, but if that's so, his genius failed to anticipate some pretty mass scale and predictable disasters such as the fallout from the demonetization which yielded precisely zero results, yet left a stain of violence and suffering behind. We'll see what happens with the lockdown they're doing in India. A lot of easily predictable disasters waiting to happen there,too. But he kind of preemptively apologized for some of that already. He's an inspirational nationalist regardless.

To quote me, 'It's my blog, and I can do what I want with it."

Posted by: Brian Hines | April 04, 2020 at 01:13 PM

Ofcourse!!! And it shows; ironically by what's not put up on the blog.

And it's normal for people to easily forget that they can do what they want with what's theirs only until it exists.

So enjoy the party......

Some stats for those unaware:

Area of India: 3.287 million km²
Population of India: 133.92 crores
Area of USA: 9.834 million km²
Population of USA: 32.72 crores

It's so congested everywhere, just everywhere. There is really no open space in India, if you want to experience the experience in open space and hygienic environment in schooling, residence, healthcare - it will come with a premium.

Well, who to blame for this population explosion? Indians only. And this has to get right!
Realistically not only healthcare, it's a tough situation to manage any public infrastructure in India.

However, these are non-equilibriums which co-exist in this world. At this time of the pandemic COVID19 when every nation is struggling to find an exit, helping each other as much as they can, the last thing one would do is compare and disgust the other nations and it's infrastructures.

"The private places in India are basically the same low quality doctors in expensive rooms with better equipment, floor tiles and lights."
Wow, what do you even mean by low quality doctors? This line speaks volumes about the maturity level of the person.

The need of the hour is to have positive attitude towards the earth as a whole and not to be egoistic of your personal good things.

Back to the point you raised, I think that's an old news.
Select private hospitals have already been granted permissions to admit and treat people for COVID19 I think from 26-27 march onwards only after inspection by the authorities to assert if the facility at the hospital is capable of providing isolation wards.
Also select private diagnostic labs have also been given permissions to carry out the tests.

Are the private hospitals in your area taking only non-Covid19 patients?

Posted by: Sonia | April 04, 2020 at 12:06 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/26-private-medical-colleges-112-private-hospitals-can-treat-covid-19-patients/article31259916.ece/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/andhra-pradesh-to-take-over-private-hospitals-to-tackle-covid-19/amp_articleshow/74922440.cms


https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.hindustantimes.com/delhi-news/private-hospitals-in-the-city-open-isolation-wards-for-covid-19-patients/story-iz2gksFmSC1YhfMrHNSomK_amp.html


https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/covid-19-testing-treatment-free-for-ayushman-bharat-beneficiaries-at-pvt-labs-empanelled-hospitals/amp_articleshow/74986228.cms

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofindia.com/city/chennai/112-private-hospitals-across-tamil-nadu-to-treat-covid-19-patients/amp_articleshow/74989888.cms

Want some more @sonia?? These are a few results of an internet search 'private hospitsls for covid india'

Fact check - what a foreign concept to One Foreigner.


About 10 years ago there was much buzz about India being the best place for medical tourism. Best prices, and best care. Frankly, I was a bit skeptical and I guess rightfully so.

Posted by: j | April 04, 2020 at 06:51 PM

Care to provide some current dope on India: medical tourism industry. I don't suppose anybody is interested about some 10 year ago buzz.

Thanks

"And it's normal for people to easily forget that they can do what they want with what's theirs only until it exists."

That has got to be one of the all time meaningless comments in the history of the internet.

"And it's normal for people to easily forget that they can do what they want with what's theirs only until it exists."

That has got to be one of the all time meaningless comments in the history of the internet.

Posted by: Joe L | April 05, 2020 at 05:09 AM

Really.... Maybe its time for a version upgrade Joe for it's obvious you didn't get the message(implied).

😂🤣

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news18.com/amp/news/india/as-india-bans-export-of-hydroxycloroquine-trump-requests-modi-to-send-game-changer-drug-to-us-2565409.html


Poor mastermind Trump requests the idiot Modi (that's what a few in here have referred to him as) to lift the export ban on Hydroxychloraquine.

Gosh the country with best medical facilities and drug companies - wants medicines from Indian manufacturers. What did a few in here have to say about Indian drug companies and the stuff they manufactured????

@jesse why is the mastermind Trump wasting his time with an idiot?. Looking forward to your cutting insights on this too.

I am keeping the demonitisation for some other time.

@Rob

We don’t do much manufacturing here in the US. That is no secret and Corporate America has off-shored for decades to save money/increase profits. This is something we are now paying the price for. We may have some of the best medical facilities, pharma companies and medical experts in the world, but US Corporations have made a great deal of their fortune by taking advantage of cheap labor in China, India, and a host of other countries to manufacture products.

Now it’s time for us to pay the pied piper.

@Rob

We don’t do much manufacturing here in the US. That is no secret and Corporate America has off-shored for decades to save money/increase profits. This is something we are now paying the price for. We may have some of the best medical facilities, pharma companies and medical experts in the world, but US Corporations have made a great deal of their fortune by taking advantage of cheap labor in China, India, and a host of other countries to manufacture products.

Now it’s time for us to pay the pied piper.

Posted by: Sonia | April 05, 2020 at 12:13 PM

Sorry to break this to you, but here we are talking of home grown Indian pharma companies and not Indian operations of some US or Global Pharmas.

And that your FDA stinks is clear from this linked article.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livemint.com/companies/news/covid-19-us-fda-partially-lifts-import-ban-on-ipca-labs-for-chloroquine-supply/amp-11584803485932.html


Surely no Americans would want to pop pills manufactured by a company slapped with multiple violation of good manufacturing practices. It's time Americans never ever forget the scary tale of this one foreigner published in here.

Time to crucify that Mastermind Trump too? LoL

@Rob

You act is if the only person on this planet you don’t hate is PM Modi. Seriously, what is your problem? Why are you so anti-American, anti-Muslim, anti-humanity.

Do you have any family or friends??

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