Open Thread 31 (free speech for comments)

Here's a new Open Thread.

Remember, off-topic comments should go in an Open Thread. 

This hasn't been happening recently, as some commenters have been using blog posts as a "chat room," basically, so from now on I'm going to vow to do better at not approving comments submitted on a regular blog post if the comment doesn't deal with the subject of the post. 

If you don't see a recent comment, or comments, posted, it's because you've failed to follow the above rule. Keep to the subject of a blog post if you leave a comment on it. And if you want to use this blog as a "chat room," do that in an open thread.

As noted before, it's good to have comments in a regular blog post related to its subject, and it's also good to have a place where almost anything goes in regard to sharing ideas, feelings, experiences, and such. That place is an Open Thread.

Leave a comment on this post about anything you want to talk about. Remember that I'm moderating comments, so it could take a while for your comment to be published. Almost every comment submitted to an Open Thread will be approved. Personal attacks on someone are an exception. Argue with ideas, not insults.

Though I haven't been doing too well on this, I'll try to remember to always have an Open Thread showing in the Recent Posts section in the right sidebar. If one isn't showing, I've added an Open Threads category in, naturally, the Categories section. You can always find an Open Thread that way.

So if you're a believer in some form of religion, mysticism, or spirituality, this is where you can put your "praise God," "praise Guru," or "praise _______" comments.

Comments

[Jesse]

"He’s already made his fortune and said he’s going to give half of it away or something...there’s gotta be some benefit accruing to the string-puller masterminds so what would Gates be looking to get?"

I'm not a believer in almost anything being said about Bill Gates, but people love power as much as they love money, and the whole "this billionaire gave away all his money" thing is completely fake. They give the money once held in their own name to accounts held in the names of the charities they want control over, and often just straight to their own fake charities.

And aside from money or power, some people just really think that they're special and will meddle in things because they can. Some of those meddlers are billionaires. Did you not just read the news from the last few days about billionaire Americans who funded a private army in an attempt to overthrow the government of Venezuela? That's no "conspiracy theory." It's a real life event that just happened, and failed. It's but one of thousands of similar events we normally don't hear about.

[Sonia]

Your unexamined systems of belief are extremely powerful over your life. You must examine these beliefs carefully.

Alan Watts
https://youtu.be/7-YyQwSjXvc

[someonedunit]

Actually the naive one's are those who think that people who have emmense financial power to influence others lives, and meddle and control and manipulate public health interests through sterilizing populations and inflict an ideology of megalomaniac proportion over humanity are doing so for philanthropic or altruistic ends. How naive can one get?

Secondly 'that woman' anchor for the WIONews network who 'doesn't know how things work' is reading from a script that's been put out by either the Indian government or at least by the networks overriding policy, same as Washington Post or NYT or Guardian or BBC or CNN would put out their take on 'how things work'.

Again it's the naivete of the audience to think that everything disseminating from any particular media platform is doing so without any ulterior motive driving it's agenda, or whether it's doing so for positive or negative effect.

[someonedunit]

https://www.wionews.com/videos/gravitas-coronavirus-outbreak-a-war-in-disguise-294663

Some more information about the state of the world 'at war'.
Perhaps this woman or this World is One network still does not know 'how things work' though the media bias fact check website rates them as 'a most credible media source'.
rated LEAST BIASED

"WION (World is One News) - Media Bias/Fact Check" https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/wion-world-one-news/?amp

[Sonia]

"They will only call it conclusive if it’s 100% certain."

No, they will only say what is beneficial to their goals. To think that "intelligence communities" are where we should go for truth is hilarious. Who doesn't know how things work, authority worshiper?

Posted by: Jesse | May 02, 2020 at 06:23 PM

You are equally as clueless. You think everything happens at surface level. Do you really believe that our intelligence gathering communities (which includes the military) is going to share everything they know with the public?

You can’t distinguish between Deep State and insane conspiracy theories that your flat-earther community likes to spread.

[Sonia]

So we’ve got Jesse, an ex-RSSB devotee, and someonedunit, a fanatical Rhadasoami both on the same page.

Conspiracies bring minds together.

[Sonia]

Personally, I believe COVID-19 is a bio weapon made by the Chinese government which is what our intelligence community believes. That conspiracy is 99 times more likely than the idea that Bill Gates is involved. He’s just an unwitting publicity pawn for the Chinese.

[Sonia]

And, for the record, here’s what I believe about RSSB. You get initiated based on faith. Then you’re supposed to use the SOS “scientific” method (I had to put scientific in quotes because this blog deal focuses on physical science) to see your Master within. IMO, if you see him within then he’s real for you. If you don’t, then he’s not. It’s up to the individual to figure that out for themselves.

[Sonia]

Secondly 'that woman' anchor for the WIONews network who 'doesn't know how things work' is reading from a script that's been put out by either the Indian government or at least by the networks overriding policy, same as Washington Post or NYT or Guardian or BBC or CNN would put out their take on 'how things work'.

Again it's the naivete of the audience to think that everything disseminating from any particular media platform is doing so without any ulterior motive driving it's agenda, or whether it's doing so for positive or negative effect.

Posted by: someonedunit | May 02, 2020 at 09:21 PM

You implied that she knew what she was talking about. To quote you: “she’s a great frontline reporter”

[Big Daddy WarBucks]

Well maybe I am naive but big daddy believes in ockams razor - the simplest explanation is normally the correct one, until more proof arises for an alternative explanation.

I think cv is the same as sars or mars or hiv: a naturally-evolved zoonotic virus, rather than intelligent design outa a Wuhan lab.

I think Gates intentions are probably honorable although he, like many other v successful ppl, may overrate his own abilities and quite possible meddle too far - but as long as his dosh is being contributed to the poor - I’m not gonna take a crap on his doorstep. There’s only a conspiracy here if the charities he runs comes with strings attached which are harmful, but I certainly wouldn’t blame him from wanting to know his money is being used for the right purposes.

I think The Donald is one hilarious s.o.b and maybe the funniest man alive, except for maybe Dubya. Great entertainment and value.

[Big Daddy WarBucks]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ew7yUtVhV6w

Natural comedian - maybe the greatest ever.

Can we not get him back for a 3rd term?

Thank you all.

[Sonia]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ew7yUtVhV6w

Natural comedian - maybe the greatest ever.

Can we not get him back for a 3rd term?

Thank you all.

Posted by: Big Daddy WarBucks | May 03, 2020 at 01:39 AM

Gosh, I didn’t like GWB at all when was President and compared to what we have now he seems like such a nice guy. 😐

[Juan]

Sonia wrote on May 02, 2020 at 11.39 PM.
And, for the record, here’s what I believe about RSSB. You get initiated based on faith. Then you’re supposed to use the SOS “scientific” method….

…The present initiation process is quite different. During the regime of Charan Singh and specially before the decade of 70’s, the initiation was very simple and in many cases had nothing to do with faith. There are thousands of initiates, including many holding high ranks in RSSB who have never tried to meditate, nor they have faith like westerners.

In most of the places in India, people were convinced to get initiated and most youngsters from RSSB families were automatically enrolled for initiation.

In late 60’s, people above the age of 18 could present themselves for spot initiation during Charan’s visit to the place, where he would only ask whether you eat meat or drink. Even many below the age of 18 were also initiated.

[Sonia]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ew7yUtVhV6w

Natural comedian - maybe the greatest ever.

Can we not get him back for a 3rd term?

Thank you all.

Posted by: Big Daddy WarBucks | May 03, 2020 at 01:39 AM

I sent that link to my mom to give her something to laugh about. She wasn’t a fan of his when he was President but she wrote back, “That man is just plain adorable.”

😆

I hope we don’t have someone in the future that makes us look back on Trump as being “adorable” by comparison.

[Jesse]

"You think everything happens at surface level."

I literally say and imply the exact opposite regularly.

Also it's funny you say this, but then contradict yourself immediately in the next sentence 1000 other comments calling people conspiracy theorists, but then take it 100 steps further into insanity and literally provide your belief in a conspiracy theory, complete with the specific theory and conspiring entities.

Seek psychiatric help.

[Jesse]

"You can’t distinguish between Deep State and insane conspiracy theories that your flat-earther community likes to spread."

Yikes. What in the f*** are you on?

[Sonia]

Jesse you’re a COMPLETE idiot and total prick.

YOU get psychiatric help.

[Sonia]

@Juan

For some reason I thought it was a lot harder to get initiated under Charan. Other than the age set was lower.

Well, it’s not like they need more Satsangis. The growth is out of hand. Lol

[Sonia]

Jesse,

Going forward I’m not interacting with you. It’s beneath me. You’re such a bitter person.

[Sonia]

Brian,

Just curious, what’s your favorite genre of music? Do you ever write about music and its affects on the brain/mind? Would be really interested in reading what you think about the power of music.

[Sonia]

I think when we feel bad after doing or saying something, even if we’re not “sorry” it’s our conscience telling us we didn’t do the right thing. I’m not sure where conscience or moral compass fits into the scientific model but I believe we all have experienced it with the exception of a tiny percent of people. Some people are purely tribal and they only feel bad when they’ve hurt someone in their family or “tribe”. Kind of like most animals or the mafia.

I always remember how to spell conscience from Sunday School. They said is science with con in front of it. Lol

[One Initiated]

Jesse is a bitter person,
but only at a surface level 😄

[Sonia]

I was just deleting a ton of stuff from my phone to keep from going over my storage limit and discovered a bunch of notes about RS that made me feel sick to my stomach. Just reminded me how false it all is and how stupidly (insanely) naive I am at times to actually trust “Him”. Everything that’s happened in the past and I’m dumb enough to trust it wouldn’t happen again. I keep getting maliciously sucked back into that spider’s web when clearly he is only trying to harm. 😒

[Jesse]

Whatever you say Sonia. Just stop copying my style.

[Jesse]

There is only room for one belligerent, self contradicting, rude wingnut in these parts, and I'll be damned to the fires of eternal hell if that sunvabich isn't me.

[zenjen]

Sonia: "Going forward I’m not interacting with you. It’s beneath me. You’re such a bitter person."

Carl Jung called this his shadow work. He said we never see others. Instead we see only aspects of ourselves that fall over them. Shadows. Projections. Our associations.

We are all imperfect. Try to be kind to yourself.

[anami]

"The Sound of Jupiter's Moons"
https://youtu.be/M8zC212xN94

[👏👏👏👏👏]

Brian said:
" Life is a boundless sea of uncertainty

me:
Of course it is
learning between greedy sadism and compassion

And a tenth of a region lower it's even more insane
This is how longing for better is created.

777

[Spence Tepper]

Listen to the song of the wind as it blows...

https://youtu.be/F9nM9LUaLYE

[Spence Tepper]

Then find that wind, and all its harmonies within.

[Sonia]

…The present initiation process is quite different. During the regime of Charan Singh and specially before the decade of 70’s, the initiation was very simple and in many cases had nothing to do with faith. There are thousands of initiates, including many holding high ranks in RSSB who have never tried to meditate, nor they have faith like westerners.

In most of the places in India, people were convinced to get initiated and most youngsters from RSSB families were automatically enrolled for initiation.

In late 60’s, people above the age of 18 could present themselves for spot initiation during Charan’s visit to the place, where he would only ask whether you eat meat or drink. Even many below the age of 18 were also initiated.
Posted by: Juan | May 03, 2020 at 02:50 PM

I think even Gurinder admitted to not being much of a meditator before he was assigned to be Master. And then he had to try and catch up to speed. Not sure where he landed. I’ve never seen him within so I can’t attest to his Mastership.

There is an accepted belief in Group Consciousness Theory that the more people who believe in an idea the more powerful it becomes. Today 20M + people are RSSB initiates. That’s just 6M shy of the Sikh religion, but RSSB isn’t counting family so who knows the real impact of RSSB worldwide. This pandemic has been a huge RS PR boom for Dera. No doubt there with be an exponential amount of applications for initiation when Dera is “open” again.

Belief is a POWERFUL thing. But Belief does not = Truth.

[Sonia]

There is only room for one belligerent, self contradicting, rude wingnut in these parts, and I'll be damned to the fires of eternal hell if that sunvabich isn't me.

Posted by: Jesse | May 04, 2020 at 10:30 AM

I’ll give you that. 🙄

But I still take issue with your misogynistic view that women aren’t treated 2nd rate even in America. I’ll go one step further to piss you off even more by saying that you married an Indian woman believing she’d be more submissive than an American woman of your generation. You’re younger than me and I assume the liberal American woman of your generation wasn’t quite what you had in mind for a life partner.

Another thing, I’m surprised you haven’t denied the ‘Flat Earther accusations.

Now that you’re fired up, wtf were you thinking when you got initiated?

I know what I was thinking—that some turban donning Indian dude would help me see “Reality”. Perhaps that did happen and the “Reality” is men have one agenda—power and control over other men (and especially women).

I’m ready for your response. 😠

[Sonia]

RSSB is a completely misogynistic organization. Radha Soami—Lord of the Soul. The soul being feminine and lorded over by the masculine.

We see that with the examples of Sheena and Marina and countless others.

[Jesse]

My anti-feminism rant was one of the few undeniably true things I've ever written. But it didn't get published, which is fine. My rant isn't needed.

This article makes a better point than I could ever make with words for anyone who pays attention to the world they live in-

https://news.yahoo.com/stars-scientists-call-world-not-back-normal-104646426.html

[Spence Tepper]

Every day we are confronted with situations that are largely outside of our control. These can cause frustration and anxiety. Giving these to our loving Master releases us from that anxiety, and brings us closer to acting from peace; adapting rather than reacting with either aggression or retreat. Master has a functional role in our lives.

When we can successfully make progress doing this, trusting in inner Master to take these burdens, to bring us peace and insight, we experience moments of freedom from that anxiety and frustration, fear and attachment. In those moments we realize we are surrounded by peace. In the midst of the world moving, nature, God, Master gives us a space to exist in, and it is largely pleasant. We still have our role to play. If we are momentarily stopped in traffic we can enjoy that spot. And when traffic moves forward, we maintain our peace attending to the traffic and keeping pace. Even then, we can take that atmosphere of peace and freedom with us wherever we go. Disrupted by events, we can withdraw, reconnect with that peace, re-establish our connection with it we had momentarily forgotten, and proceed ahead with the next step of our lives.

This is the basic foundation and power of all spirituality. It is uncomplicated, but it is a little work, a little devotion to Master, who is our own development and next step.

[Spence Tepper]

And so the issue of Master is a personal one. Who and what is my Master? Who and what is your Master? That is the only question. It can only be a personal question. There can be no arguments of any effect. He is there within us and we can discover Him. Discovering Him we have our answer. Searching within we will find Him. Whomever He /She /It is.

We all have an inner Master, an ultimate Good waiting to be discovered through our own efforts, and discovering Him, realizing He was working through us all along, the very force of life. It is for us to find and attend to Him /Her/It ..that power within ourselves. The way out of our predicament, to whatever extent that is possible, is within. And going within to our Master, submitting all to Him, we find that freedom in ever-growing levels of happiness as we ourselves master the skill of returning to Him, giving all things to Him, submitting to the situation He has brought us to, enjoying the peace and harmony He is, and in that Peace we return here, acting for the highest good we can conceive under these circumstances.

[Sonia]

We all have an inner Master, an ultimate Good waiting to be discovered through our own efforts, and discovering Him, realizing He was working through us all along, the very force of life. It is for us to find and attend to Him /Her/It ..that power within ourselves. The way out of our predicament, to whatever extent that is possible, is within. And going within to our Master, submitting all to Him, we find that freedom in ever-growing levels of happiness as we ourselves master the skill of returning to Him, giving all things to Him, submitting to the situation He has brought us to, enjoying the peace and harmony He is, and in that Peace we return here, acting for the highest good we can conceive under these circumstances.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | May 07, 2020 at 05:24 AM

Thanks, Spence. :)

My new mantra is peace. When I say new, I mean like in the last 24 hours. Had a pretty intense therapy session yesterday morning and realized I just have to let go. We hold pain the body—pain that has accumulated over our entire life and releasing that pain isn’t easy even when you are ready to let it go. Tears are the body’s way of releasing pain. When someone is crying they’re getting relief. Unfortunately our society historically hasn’t been as accepting of men crying. I think that has just added to all sorts of problems for everyone.

So, I’m repeating ‘Peace’ and it’s giving me the strength to just sit with the pain and somehow I feel certain effects of the pain leaving even though my heart feels broken. Peace gives us patience and strength. I think it’s the thing that has been missing from my life. Wise people learn acceptance. I’m not a wise person but maybe someday...

I really enjoyed reading your two comments. Very encouraging and kind.

🙏

[Sonia]

Hi Spence,

I’m rereading Sheena’s book. I missed a lot of interesting things the first time I read it. Just came across an answer that Gurinder gave to Sheena in an interview. This is something I thought you’d appreciate. ;)

“The same can be said for some rare, unique souls who achieve God-realization without a guide. They are gifted souls; it’s an unusual, inborn endowment – a miracle that is unmatched! Anything and everything is possible in His creation.”

So, there you go! :)

[Sonia]

This is my favorite part of Sheena’s book—it’s very sad but I appreciate her willingness to tell the truth.

This type of behavior is shocking indeed. She went through far worse treatment by him than most people. I think Gurinder’s wife was extremely jealous of Sheena which is probably the reason she became the victim of so many humiliations. It’s no excuse, but some men are fools—if their wive’s chase after money they will break every rule to please them.

Anyway, this is only “good” because it was the end of her harrowing ordeal. It’s an important. (And GSD’s wife was no angel.)

“One evening, fifty of us sat facing Guruji, children and adults. People were chatting with each other while I was in a whispered conversation with a young, excited girl who was to be married in a few months. She was beaming with happiness, asking for my views on how to handle her marriage. I advised, ‘The onus is on the girl to make the adjustments initially, with the passage of time the equation changes...’ At this point Guruji asked aloud, ‘What are both of you talking about?’ When he spoke, everyone turned in our direction. The girl replied with a smile, ‘Sheena Aunty says when a girl gets married; the onus is on her to make the adjustments first...’ Guruji turned to me, raising his voice. ‘After sleeping around with so many men, who are you to advise her on marriage?’ Pin-drop silence. Fifty pairs of eyes were on me. I stared at him in total disbelief. Was this the Guruji whom I had revered and looked up to for his wisdom, for salvation? Had he just uttered those obscene, crass words? Did he realize the agony and helplessness of a woman who is a victim of character assassination? Did the seat of power give him the liberty to demean women? At that precise moment the pedestal I had put him on smashed into a million pieces. At that precise moment, he had exposed himself bare - he was not infallible - he was just an ordinary human, very ordinary indeed!”

[Spence Tepper]

Sonia
Once upon a time a young girl saw a picture of a child in poverty. The picture was so compelling she cried for days. Her parents tried to console her. After all it was just a very old picture of some stranger.

She could not be consoled. For years little things would set her off. Anguish over the suffering of others. And then in time the pain this unveiled transformed into anger. And anger into action. She fixed things. But still the grief was there. She tried to locate a cause. But to little avail. The cause was long before she took birth.

She had no idea of the suffering of her family in a recent past life. She had no of idea of the trauma she was carrying. She was brought back because of it.

One day someone, a friend, suggested that she go on crying for a while. There was no one left to be angry with. But the grief, accumulated over several lifetimes, though seemingly out of place and context in this life, wasn't.

She was naturally and very healthfully dealing with her own past. She had to honor that grief, and all the other wonderful things she began to discover within herself by letting things progress in their natural way. We can let go, but we cannot throw this away. It passes naturally, and we become stronger because of it.

[Jesse]

"Unfortunately our society historically hasn’t been as accepting of men crying. I think that has just added to all sorts of problems for everyone."

That was in no way unfortunate. It's literally one of the only reasons why we're alive.

Now that men in "the west" are encouraged to be irrational, weak, and emotionally expressive, we see the death of our entire civilization approaching, and far more violent and less emotional people quickly entering our territories and waiting for the best time to easily slaughter us all. Just imagine Detroit multiplied times a million.

World leaders like Erdogan talk about it openly and taunt countries like Germany and the entire EU. Hindutva advocates are very open about their desire to take over the west if not the entire world and exact revenge on white people. The best thing for these sorts of psychopaths is crying men whose veins pump soy juice.

There'll be a reckoning one day for all the upside-down self destructive theories the politically left leaning of America and Europe have imposed on us all , but nobody will get any joy from it because those who are correct get nothing for being correct. We will simply have to suffer for your mistakes along with you.

Thanks a lot. Your hatred of men is really cool and edgy.

[Sonia]

@Spence

The idea of past lives makes sense as far as a lot of inexplicable things go. Like why are some born into extreme poverty and suffering while others have more than they’ll ever need and are (seemingly) very blessed.

It’s interesting... the cycle of life. But it never ends, in theory. Say one comes back and causes extreme suffering for someone that hurt them in a past life, then the abuser in that case will have to come back for another life so the person they abused can abuse them. It never ends.

Maybe some people just turn into ghosts. 🤷‍♀️ 👻

This why forgiveness is good. I have a difficult time practicing it when it comes to certain things, and to be honest there are a few things I don’t feel like I can forgive. But I guess if I don’t forgive, I’ll just have to come back to another life. 🙄

I guess I’d rather forgive than deal with those individuals again.

Wow! Good chat. I’m glad you brought up that story. I don’t need “ghosts” hanging around. I guess I’ll “forgive” them.

I think that’s kind of how we release our demons, so to speak. And most people don’t want to look into the darkness but the fact is some people act quite demonic—the Hitlers and Genghis Khans of the world... and there have been some monstrous women as well.

Well, to end this on a more positive note, I’m going to burn some sage, light a candle, and say a prayer for the somewhat recently deceased. Letting the 👻 👹 go.

[Sonia]

@Jesse

I don’t hate men. I just think they’re stupid when it comes to women. 😂

Joking aside, I’ve had equally negative and positive experiences with both.

Life is short. It’s really, really short and I just finished my Wiccan ghost releasing ceremony, so now I’m going to go watch the sun set.

Maybe Life is Fair.

[Spence Tepper]

Dear Sonia
Sheena could have responded to Gurinder in a completely different way, independently. "Yes I've known a few men. I'm best equipped to speak about these things. Far better than you, Baba Ji. Your own Master Maharaji admitted he was not equipped to give marital advice. But in either case I think the person with the most successful experience knows best about these things. You handle spirituality, if that is your experience. I'll handle advice about getting along with men. Deal?

"We hardly need men to go around publicly shaming women, wives or otherwise anymore. Really, you are offering a terrible model to the men right now."

"In a marriage both parties need to work very hard and submit to each other, wife to husband and husband to wife. Or wife to wife and husband to husband, whatever the case may be. That's just for everybody. And, news flash, Baba Ji, the whole relationship rests on respect for each other, and forgiveness. No public shaming. Really, what is that supposed to accomplish? Are you pandering to the women - haters? Please stop. I forgive you, Baba Ji. Now please walk the talk. "

Write your own script. So that next time some asshole tries to humiliate you in public you are ready to give as good as you receive.

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Sonia
You wrote
"It’s interesting... the cycle of life. But it never ends, in theory. Say one comes back and causes extreme suffering for someone that hurt them in a past life, then the abuser in that case will have to come back for another life so the person they abused can abuse them. It never ends."

Karma doesn't work that way, actually.

The person who was abused, and became used to it as part of their experience will return to being abused over and over again.

Unless they desire to harm tyrants and have rehearsed that retribution daily in their heart, and then they take that role if that is their principle impression.

But generally speaking, we return to the roles we have rehearsed day in and day out. The victim will become another victim, a hundred lifetimes. And the bully will just become a hundred varieties of bully, until it's beaten out of them, or they wear it out.

The tyrant who loved tyranny will return to becoming a tyrant over and over again.

Until they all become so sick of these roles that they fight with all their might to break free.

It is the impressions that bring us back, not our notions of justice. The notion that life is fair of fool's gold. Life is in perfect balance, but it isn't fair in any way shape or form. This is just the lie of religion to control and enslave people.

I may desire to be someone else. But it is the impression of what I am that is generally much, much stronger.

The notion of balance has gotten confused in the mythology that has developed around Karma. The impressions upon you are the only thing bringing you back to those same impressions.

When you make a mold, that impression can only produce more copies of itself.

That's how Karma actually functions.

[Hear. 🎵.🎵.🎵.🎵.🎵]

@Ignoramous Spence stated and good luck with that :

""" Karma doesn't work that way, actually. -- The person who was abused, and became used to it as part of their experience will return to being abused over and over again."""

If. you have more ways & thoughts to drown people, and their shrinks in panic, . .
DON'T
BE WORRIED YOURSELF!

Any experience with LOVE. ? perhaps?

777

[7]

@Sonia
"" by the Chinese government which is what our intelligence community believes. ""

Ever heard of a country doing fantastic , . . next destroying all there clients

7

[Sonia]

If. you have more ways & thoughts to drown people, and their shrinks in panic, . .
DON'T
BE WORRIED YOURSELF!

Any experience with LOVE. ? perhaps?

777
Posted by: Hear. 🎵.🎵.🎵.🎵.🎵 | May 08, 2020 at 06:21 AM

Was this directed at me or Spence? It almost made me laugh. Almost.

Yesterday was full moon in Scorpio. Somebody just shoot me.

“LOVE”?? Even if this was directed at Spence, I have to add a comment about it. Yesterday I was thinking about how they say a mother’s love for her child is almost the purest love there is. And I thought, it’s because she loves the child and is secure knowing the child loves her because it needs her.

But other relationships are much more difficult. Unconditional love is almost impossible. In relationships people are more vulnerable because they’re not “needed” the same way that a child needs it’s mother. This makes people insecure and afraid of rejection. And when that happens people lose trust. And when trust breaks down the relationship falls apart. Learning to love without fear is unconditional love. But it’s really difficult to do.

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Hear
You lay down the impressions yourself, your reactions. All the impressions you harbor are yours. That is your future. If your deep groves are pain, then pain is the road you yourself paved and you will have to drive down it.

And that's good news. Because you have some small margin to move those actions. And when you find your own inner Master your margin widens because you can give many of those things to Him /Her /It. And if you keep practicing, more and more goes to Him, and less and less sticks to you.

Even your name calling "Ignoramus". It's tame, but you can still give that to Master also. Once that's given away, then you get the love you ask about. It's all in you. Love actually doesn't require impressions unless you need to be reminded. Love is the natural state in the absence, even temporarily, of impressions, of their effect, on us.

The same principles that apply in every day life apply here with Karma.

[Halleluya]

God IS each of us -
HE just looks how long it takes to develop Compassion with a litttle amnesia.
-
Eve's apple was a steak -That makes HIM angry!

Sonia
After a year you don't see that love is
"The desire to do good to another consciousness". =. HIM
It's not the olympics!

Also it's not about receive it
It's about to give it

777
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[Sonia]

@Sonia
"" by the Chinese government which is what our intelligence community believes. ""

Ever heard of a country doing fantastic , . . next destroying all there clients

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Posted by: 7 | May 08, 2020 at 07:49 AM

You are way oversimplifying it. It’s complex. Very.

[Sonia]

Eve's apple was a steak -That makes HIM angry!

Sonia
After a year you don't see that love is
"The desire to do good to another consciousness". =. HIM
It's not the olympics!

Also it's not about receive it
It's about to give it

777
77
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Posted by: Halleluya | May 08, 2020 at 11:37 AM

OH MY GOD 😦 You finally used a good analogy. Dera = Story Brooke (Once). It’s getting better. But the APPLE!!!! Holy Moly!! You’re right.

They need to tear down the old Satsangar for sure.

[7]

Seek the beneficiarynotknowingempathy
Language from the benegasssarathfromdune
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[Sonia]

Why we need fairytales (from the National Storytelling Network):

We can talk about the dark and process those experiences without frightening ourselves any more.

What do Humpty Dumpty, Little Miss Muffet and Snow White all have in common? If you can solve this riddle then you must be God.

[Sonia]

Sonia
After a year you don't see that love is
"The desire to do good to another consciousness". =. HIM
It's not the olympics!

Also it's not about receive it
It's about to give it

777
77
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Posted by: Halleluya | May 08, 2020 at 11:37 AM

OK, how do I put this... 🤔 🧐

Ever heard of Deceit and Darkness??? Life IS NOT simple because we are surrounded by lies. Nothing is real. Everything is an illusion. If LOVE was that easy WE’D ALL BE ENLIGHTENED.

I think you’re confusing easy with simple.

What’s easy isn’t always simple. And what’s simple isn’t easy.

[🐉 Slayer]

All this time I’ve been focusing on “men” when I should have been focusing on the evil queen. Oops. My bad. If only I had listened to my astrologer... 😑🙄

Anyway, now I’m going to go chase a rabbit down a hole (meditate).

~Sonia

[Irrational]

Math, it’s time you solved your own problems.

[Run]

https://youtu.be/wfGAktuU93s

[Epimetheus 2020]

Pandora’s jar -- time in a bottle.

Will poetry go viral?

Mad Song
BY WILLIAM BLAKE
The wild winds weep,
And the night is a-cold;
Come hither, Sleep,
And my griefs infold:
But lo! the morning peeps
Over the eastern steeps,
And the rustling birds of dawn
The earth do scorn.

Lo! to the vault
Of paved heaven,
With sorrow fraught
My notes are driven:
They strike the ear of night,
Make weep the eyes of day;
They make mad the roaring winds,
And with tempests play.

Like a fiend in a cloud
With howling woe,
After night I do croud,
And with night will go;
I turn my back to the east,
From whence comforts have increas'd;
For light doth seize my brain
With frantic pain.

[🐉 Slayer]

Greek Mythology seems so plausible in light of our current events. Humpty Dumpty in the White House. Little Miss Muffet ate her last crumpet and the snow isn’t white anymore.

I should brush up on all the Greek Dramas just so I’m prepared for what might happen next.

-Sonia (I really like my new signature. I may abbreviate it to Slayer.) May. Might. Mine. 🤷‍♀️

[Slayer]

Just as I was saying... this just popped up on my YouTube notification a minute ago. Jesus Christ, Mother of God, wtf is happening? I’ve watched these monsters on viral YouTube videos for years and now they’re here in Washington.

https://youtu.be/jgU68wLOPf4

What’s up Washington?? You’re turning into Pandora’s floodgate. Where is the gatekeeper??? Now I’m glad we don’t live in Seattle anymore.

Well, that’s enough good news for one day.

[Slayer]

Murder hornets mainly attack honey bees and it’s not like we have a surplus of honeybees. And we all know how important honeybees are to vegetation. These guys are worse than a plague of locusts. They could start a famine.

I haven't seen Jesus yet but we've got all the other horsemen accounted for.

The first horseman rides a white horse, which scholars sometimes interpret to symbolize Christ; the second horseman rides a red horse and symbolizes war and bloodshed; the third rides a black horse and symbolizes famine; and the fourth horseman rides a pale horse and represents pestilence and death.

Sorry for my rash of comments but I had a telehealth appointment with my Rheumatologist (telehealth is super awkward, BTW) and then got a whopping dose of Vitamin D. So now I’m a little more “enthusiastic” than usual.

[7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=476&v=vAfeYMONj9E&feature=emb_logo

[7]

FUSION - at Last. (Simple )

It wil also change the geo-financial / strategic situation
There shouldn’t be patents!

The lasers themselves rely upon cutting-edge "Chirped Pulse Amplification" technology, the development of which won its inventors the 2018 Nobel prize in Physics. Much smaller and simpler than any of the high-temperature fusion generators, HB11 says its generators would be compact, clean and safe enough to build in urban environments. There's no nuclear waste involved, no superheated steam, and no chance of a meltdown.

https://newatlas.com/energy/hb11-hydrogen-boron-fusion-clean-energy/

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[👍 777 👍]

If only detachment were easy. . . . Posted by: Sonia | May 08, 2020 at 07:54 PM

Charan started each Satsang with

Just hear the Anahad Shabd by Simran (Love).
Then U replace your bicycle attachment for a Lamborghini latest Model
Is not really difficult, Sonia, . . isn"t it, . . when doing "Meditation anyway already, . . softly fusion_accumulate The tiny flashes of Love. . .!
make some Helium quality Shabd,
instead of sitting there like a moron

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[Spence Tepper]

Hi Sonia
You wrote
"And when trust breaks down the relationship falls apart. Learning to love without fear is unconditional love. But it’s really difficult to do."

Take it in small steps.

Love is unconditional because it is the foundation of all life and in infinite supply. There is no scarcity of it. But there is great ignorance of it.

To paraphrase Carl Sagan, we spend our lives searching the earth and digging deep into the dirt to find fossil fuels, the remains of creatures who died long ago, which we use as energy, and we fight over the land and mineral rights, command our youngsters in uniform to die by the tens of thousands for those rights. Our entire economy and wealth is based upon this scarce commodity which we protect using the dead bones and torn flesh of our children. And the burning of this sludge poisons the air, water and soil, makes our children sick, and leads our home, mother earth, upon which we all depend, to an early grave. But all the while the sun and the winds offer more energy in a day than we can use in a year. How ignorant is that? What barbarians we are! How foolish and degrading we must appear to more intelligent species that look in upon us from other worlds from time to time?

I think they must have a sign up to passers by stating "Off limits. Wild Irrational deadly beasts! No children allowed and no adults without special permit and military escort."

We have to find the love within ourselves first. That makes it easy to love and to trust, because the major source of our happiness is not the other person. It is within. If we are unshakable in that inner love, then we can love unconditionally.

[Spence Tepper]

But to find that inner love, we will have to deal with our own conscience.

[Sonia]

We have to find the love within ourselves first. That makes it easy to love and to trust, because the major source of our happiness is not the other person. It is within. If we are unshakable in that inner love, then we can love unconditionally.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | May 09, 2020 at 03:06 PM

I really like the excerpt you included from Carl Sagan.

I heard just today (paraphrasing loosely) “unconditional love” is above the eye center.

Boy, that’s a ways to go...

[❤❤❤ 💛🌟💛 ❤❤❤]

"I have heard GSD say that we have limited free will. And limited would make sense. "

Yes, for a manmukh
But a Perfect Gurmukh has 100% free will
because HE is The Creator

We, . . in between, . . can enjoy the marvellousness of all this
Heaven is a State of "Mind" , even a Place of Mind

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