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"I have heard GSD say that we have limited free will. And limited would make sense. However, to say we have no free will would imply that we have to ability to make choices.

Here is an excerpt from the link you gave:

“When we look back on our decisions, we forget to consider the extensive influence from the past which has placed us in a particular situation. Whatever we are today is the result of what we thought and did previously. By the same rule of cause and effect, what we are to become in the future will be determined by what we think and do right now. If we make wise choices today, then it will be a lot easier to make positive choices tomorrow.”

The last sentence, “If we make wise choices today, then it will be a lot easier to make positive choices tomorrow.” The problem with that statement is that without free will we do not have the option to “make wise choices today”. Without free will you do not have the option to exercise choice because doing so implies you have free will. You can only truly decide to go with option A or option B if it’s actually a choice given to you. However, without free will there is no way whatsoever that you can choose option A if it’s your destiny to choose option B.

I am not denying the law of karma and cause and effect. Cause and effect are scientific. But if you take karma to the utmost fanatical extreme and say it governs every action to the point that you have no ability to make a choice (that you only think you’re making choices) then there is no reason for anyone to ever feel guilt or remorse. There would be no reason for me to ever feel sorry for hurting someone’s feelings or being disrespectful towards them because it was pure destiny that I said and did what I did.

Basically what I’m saying is that that article is contradictory.

Here’s another excerpt:

“ In reality, whatever comes to us has been our choice in the past birth, and that limits our choices for the future, just as each move on the chess board limits our next move. So our sense of freedom of choice or free will is just an illusion.”

Again, the word choice is being used. I don’t know how to make this any clearer, but with zero free will you do not get to choose anything. With no free will you have absolutely NO choices.

Choice = free will
No choice = 0 free will

Definition of choice (I copied this from the dictionary):

Choice - an act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities. "the choice between good and evil"

.............
Please let me know your thoughts... I’m curious."

Posted by: Sonia | April 21, 2020 at 06:36 AM

Yours is a very difficult, but fair, & spiritual question; that on Human will.

In the Koran it says,

"Naught befalleth us save that which Allah hath decreed for us" -9/51 (Pickthall)

Imo, only the Sat Guru can answer the question correctly. So it should be redirected to Baba Gurinder Singh.

In fact from the perspective of where true free will lies, humans in their current disposition have Zero Free Will whatsoever.

Posted by: someonedunit | April 21, 2020 at 10:20 AM

Then don’t try to change people. All of my actions are predetermined so don’t be surprised if I don’t meet your expectations. I can assure you, I won’t.

I will cease to feel guilt or remorse from this moment onward.

Gurinder and Brian are exactly the same. They both believe that “life is fair”.

I don’t.

Gurinder and Brian are exactly the same. They both believe that “life is fair”.

I don’t.

Posted by: Sonia | April 21, 2020 at 01:45 PM

I still struggle with the free will vs no free will perspectives, as taught by Hazur Maharaj Charan Singh Ji in - Spiritual Perspectives.

Nobody is trying to change you nor expect you to feel remorse or guilt, why would you even think that?

The only guilt anyone feels about is stuff they inflict on themselves, through their own unreasonable expectations to be free of our own shortcomings.

No one, especially no guru who has your own best interest at heart is ever going to expect you to feel any guilt or remorse for being in the condition that we already are.

Why would anyone want someone who is already in a state of unfree condition and bondage to feel worse than they are when all they ever want for that person is to become truly free of all their restrictions and hurt?

Life is Fair, as unfair as it looks to us from our vantage point of perspective.

I wonder if Brian still believes that is what he wrote, in retrospect. Perhaps he thinks it's wholly unfair now that USA (and the world) have got this massive silent killer killing off (innocent) folks and they got a buffoon in the White house orchestrating it's demise. With China firing off the first Salvo of the biological war?

Nothing throughout history has ever been 'fair' from the standpoint of the oppressed or the recipients of disease and disaster.

Neither did the dinosaurs think the meteor coming out of nowhere to obliterate their existence was in anyway 'fair'. Nor did the multitude of people and societies decimated by dictators and warmongering tyrants from time immemorial to now think that any of it has ever been 'fair'.

Unfortunately it is, there's no freedom from suffering when born into the world, whether born with a silver spoon in our mouth or under shackles of oppression weighing on our hapless hearts, life is fair when under the yoke of the arbitrator giving and taking care of 'fairness'.

No one, especially no guru who has your own best interest at heart is ever going to expect you to feel any guilt or remorse for being in the condition that we already are.

Why would anyone want someone who is already in a state of unfree condition and bondage to feel worse than they are when all they ever want for that person is to become truly free of all their restrictions and hurt?

Posted by: someonedunit | April 21, 2020 at 04:01 PM

Makes sense. 🙃

I still struggle with the free will vs no free will perspectives, as taught by Hazur Maharaj Charan Singh Ji in - Spiritual Perspectives.

Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | April 21, 2020 at 02:37 PM

When you figure it out let me know. 😅

Death is a natural part of life as ironic as that may sound. Why are you so afraid of it? Whenever someone passes, even if they are someone I love I feel this profound sense of peace. Only twice have I not felt this peace—perhaps because those two souls were reincarnated into this world of suffering. I don’t know really...

I’m not afraid to die but I also recognize that none of us will sooner or later than our appointed time.

That’s something I’ve always believed. And I guess with that in mind I really should believe in determinism. Like, there are 100 reasons why my dad should be dead right now but he isn’t. Part of my ego believes that’s because I won’t let go of him. But that’s just my ego. The truth is his time has not come yet.

It’s time to make peace with death. Especially now. We only have today—and no one can guarantee that we will live to see the end of this day.

I have no regrets—especially considering that everything has happened according to His divine will. How can He possibly make a mistake? It’s impossible. This is something that should reassure us all and give us peace. So, when you close your eyes to sleep just remember “everything is as it should be”. That’s comforting.

Now I lay my head...

My almost-13-year-old niece identifies as a “he/him”. It’s kind of a newish attitude in the LGBTQ+ community. She’s so unbelievably creative and very active in the arts. And as feminine as she may appear at first, she is not comfortable in a female body. Apparently she’s given this a lot of thought. We’ve had many discussions about this. I keep thinking it’s a phase and I just try to focus on encouraging her to make good grades and to continue with her creative projects. I’m not sure what causes a person to have such extreme gender identity issues. Perhaps she was male in several past lives. Or perhaps she just doesn’t feel safe being a woman in this world. I can relate to that.

We still live in a male dominated society. Women are seen as objects, trophies or just something to put on the shelf or to serve men’s needs.

Not much has changed really. Despite all the activism of the Women’s Rights movement, men still treat women as inferior. Especially men in power.

Perhaps God really is a woman. I can only hope... It’s incredulous—you love your daughters but treat every other woman as if their job is to serve your needs.

Seems the human race hasn’t made much progress at all.

When you figure it out let me know. 😅

Posted by: Sonia | April 21, 2020 at 06:05 PM

Limited free will, like you quoted our Guru GSD. Is the most logical perspective I feel at this time.

Limited free will, like you quoted our Guru GSD. Is the most logical perspective I feel at this time.

Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | April 21, 2020 at 11:09 PM

I’ve written him but he doesn’t answer.

However, I’ve been thinking this evening and somehow my life makes sense. There’s a pattern—a theme that’s been running through my life since the day I was born. And no matter how hard I try and how creative I get there is absolutely nothing I can do to change this pattern (other than maybe becoming a Scientologist 😂). I have to accept that I will always hope and be let down. The things that I desire most I will never have. I must have made a lot of promises to people in my past life that I didn’t fulfill. And who knows what I did in my life before that... and my life before that one, and so on.

In a way it’s really liberating because I can stop trying. I can stop putting all my energy into changing things. I can stop believing other people’s promises and just learn to be content with my life now, which has become incredibly simple.

It is very freeing. That’s the upside to believing in predestination.

No more hopes. Just living in the here and now. Zen Buddhism would be very compatible I guess.

It’s been an interesting day full of revelations. And now I’m finally going to sleep. It’s ridiculously late...

🙂

Tiny Revelation

https://youtu.be/7FdDLvED_4E

77

My husband and I are seriously about to get divorced over this free will vs zero free will thing. I’m still trying to figure it out. Nothing makes sense. Life is meaningless.

OK, I’m feeling less depressed than I did last night and this morning. Life is still sort of meaningless but I’m OK with that. The way I figure, even if life is now “meaningless” based on my new understanding of free will, I can still carry on as I have all my life and pretend that I have free will. I think that’s what most of us do—we just pretend.

It’s better to care about art and music and books and friends and nature than to spend too much time on philosophical matters. A little bit of philosophically is OK, but too much and you end up falling down the rabbit hole.

This is why “God” gave us superficial stuff to keep us preoccupied. If we start thinking too hard we’ll be like 🙀🙀🙀. And you can’t sit in meditation 24 hours a day. If you did the result would be the same —> 🙀🙀🙀.

Balance.

We don’t have control over everything that happens to us. We’re born preconditioned and our personality is the result of past impressions, home environment and DNA. None of us got to choose our skin color or place of birth. We don’t choose our height or eye color. We can control of affect certain things but the majority of stuff is out of our hands.

I guess this realization should keep us humble and help us not waste too much mental, emotional or physical energy trying to get what’s not meant to be.

I can’t remember when I read Brian’s book, Life is Fair. It was a long time ago and I think I borrowed it from a friend. Anyway, I can’t even remember if it talked about past lives and past life karma although I’m assuming it did. Quite honestly, I can’t remember hardly any of the Sant Mat books I’ve read since it’s been a while. I picked one up the other day that I had never seen before. My husband left it outside my door to read (we have separate rooms because I can’t sleep in the same bed with another human being and our new bedroom isn’t big enough for two full-size beds although our old room was set up that way). Anyway, the book is called ‘from self to Shabd’. I opened straight to page 23 and started laughing. It’s the first time a Sant Mat book has ever made me laugh. It was actually really funny. You’d have to get the book to understand why.

I wish I had a copy of Life is Fair. Guess I’ll have to order it online from RSSB to fully understand their take on free will. I never cared about the issue before but for some inexplicable reason it’s incredibly interesting to me now.

@Sonia

Why is this so difficult

Why you can't believe you are God Almighty in Demo Version
You have all the tools to make it the Prof Version
Plus, . . . it is SO satisfying - don't re-drink

777

I had a Satsang Friend (98) and he had all books about poesy from the entire world
I sais : When you consume all those styles you still know
nothing about poesy elsewhere in the universe
DROP IT
He died at 99 , He will be born again
BTW that contained a lot of fun all that long life but he needs
attach himself to something ETERNAL and no need to repeat what that is

I Love it but not enough too.

777

Nobody can solve the riddle of non free will unless becoming totally
the One Version with total free will

Ramana Maharshi:
To know HIM You have to BE HIM

Nobody can solve the riddle of non free will unless becoming totally
the One Version with total free will

Ramana Maharshi:
To know HIM You have to BE HIM

Posted by: 👏To know HIM You have to BE HIM👏 | April 22, 2020 at 04:00 PM

I completely agree... it’s a riddle for sure. Almost a chicken / egg riddle. OK, that’s way over simplifying it. But still. 😊 And, don’t worry, I’m not “re-drinking”.

Poor Matthew

Scorpios love those who are nasty and harm them
and kill those who love them

( from the nook. haha )

Seems to be true

7

@7

A Scorpio’s biggest weakness is their inability to trust easily—it takes a really long time. That being the case, what is familiar often feels safe even if it’s not ideal. And it takes time for other people to understand them. But they’re not sadists. Leo’s roar but are usually pretty soft hearted. Scorpios look scary but have no ability to sting if you’re not afraid of them.

Anyway, poor Matthew (whoever that is)

"Scorpios love those who are nasty and harm them
and kill those who love them"

You couldn't be more wrong !!

The Phoenix - The phoenix is the ultimate goal as a Scorpio.
The mythical phoenix is destroyed and rises above its own ashes (another Pluto trait).
Life is hard. A Scorpio knows how hard life can be.
But when a Scorpio reaches the symbol of the phoenix, he or she has achieved a mature, stable, and comfortable life in the face of difficulties.
Knowing they can survive anything, Scorpios at this point don’t bog themselves down with petty arguments and plots of revenge.
The phoenix has risen above all that nonsense, adopting a “live and let live” attitude, and once again, trusting God to handle affairs of revenge and violence.
The phoenix is the most peaceful of the Scorpio symbols.
The older Scorpio has usually achieved this based on all of life’s lessons.

Poor Matthew

Scorpios love those who are nasty and harm them
and kill those who love them

( from the nook. haha )

Seems to be true

7

Posted by: 7 | April 23, 2020 at 11:52 AM

The Phoenix Complex: Surviving Scorpios Death Instinct
http://scorpioland.org/phoenix-complex-surviving-scorpios-death-instinct/

More from various sources:

Scorpio ascendants are very charismatic,magnetic and powerfull people. This is the strongest and most difficult ascendant of all.

Scorpio and Pluto endows people with powers of regeneration, transformation and transmutation. At its best, Scorpio energy can allow one to transmute darkness into light, to courageously venture where others are too afraid, giving them the ability to heal themselves,

Scorpio frightens people, and for good reason. It’s extreme. For Scorpio the world is black and white. It’s a place where forgiveness is possible yet forgetting never happens. With built-in radar, Scorpio smells secrets like others smell fire. It knows where the bodies are buried, what is vulnerable, and where it is hidden.

And it knows what it wants. Cleanly used, desire is a liberating force. Nothing is so clarifying as knowing what you absolutely and truly want. That’s very different from knowing what you think you should want. It’s not the same thing at all as knowing what you are expected to want. Knowing what you truly want is entirely different from knowing what your parent, spouse, sibling, best friend, or colleague wants. Scorpio taps the power of your own, authentic, untamed desire. It’s the most empowering force in the Universe.
We don’t see much of that kind of desire in contemporary culture. The power of desire has been taken from us by a consumer economy that replaces authentic wants with manufactured ones that are easier to control.

This is the sign that can cut off its nose to spite its face. Only Taurus, Scorpio’s complementary opposite, is more stubborn. There are also obsessions and addictions aplenty when false and true desires get all tangled up with each other, as they so often do. There’s also the fury of having one’s desires thwarted, and the cold desire for revenge that follows.

Within Scorpio’s magnetic power is the ability to burn out revenge, to untangle the true from the false desire, to let go and be transformed. That’s why Scorpio is associated with sexuality, with death, and with rebirth. Letting go and being transformed is what all three are about.

@: ♏️ | : zenjen: Sonya

So nice to hear how high a scorpio eventually can climb on the divine spiral

I must say : Bad memories made me reflect Matthew's eventual divorce

Each summer in the morning I save some scorpions from the bottom of the swimming pool and then they walk away after a few hours,

I'm intrigued :-) remembering some human scorpios , . . . poor Matthew Taylor

Hope there is no damage

7

Hey Sonia

You are certainly contributing to a lot of conversations and I would like to acknowledge your ongoing honesty and open-ness.
Re the neck - all the very best. I can relate to some degree as I’ve had on-going trouble over the last 25 years or so - some structural change affecting nerves/blood supply etc.
The free will debate will never end! One way to think about it is that free will/lack of, relates to ‘individuals’. When through some sort of realisation this ‘individual’ is seen to be mostly a mental/emotional construct, then one could say the game is over as the issue becomes moot, same for karma also. Of course it then becomes the game of well what the f’k am I then?
The RSSB teachings have confused this issue by keep going on about the soul being an individual entity therefor transferring the free-will issue to it, when to me the soul is more about expanded consciousness rather than a limited ‘packet’ (self).
That book your husband just passed onto you, is in my view a move in this ‘consciousness’ direction by RSSB. I read it last year and (from memory) commented that it appears to use the terms shabd, consciousness and soul interchangeably. Nisargadatta was even mentioned. Holy Advaitics! Yet I felt it still kept reverting to standard dogma at times, almost like having to tow the party line.
Looking at it critically this brings back the same old debate about what the teachings are really about - and one way to put it is they are not what they seem. 777 a champion of RSSB and GSD on this blog keeps hinting at it when he says things like ‘soul = shabd’ , ‘ YOU WERE NEVER EVER : NOT’, [people] ‘are the All Pervading Purusha’. I agree that this is ultimately what things are about, yet I can’t recall any older RSSB book stating things like this, mind you my book collection is gathering a lot of dust.…
Best wishes

The older Scorpio has usually achieved this based on all of life’s lessons.
Posted by: zenjen | April 23, 2020 at 04:23 PM

Yes, after a certain point in life Scorpio sun or rising get pretty tired of those who don’t treat them well. The whole power play gets old and exhausting. It’s not that Scorpios “kill” those who love them, it’s that they’re wise enough to recognize those who profess to love them but don’t have the strength to stick around.

@7

Who is Matthew?! My husband’s name is a very common name but not Matthew.

I’m not getting divorced. I practically had to kill my first husband to get rid of him and we still ended up being roommates (just friends—we dated other people) after the divorce. He even started a band called My Beautiful ex-wife 😂 (eventually abbreviated to MBXW). Today/23rd was his birthday actually and I wished him happy birthday since we keep in touch. We’ve always been close but just friends. There was never any romance in our relationship. ANYWAY.

Thanks for saving the scorpions. I have 5 planets in Libra and they haven’t done sh*t to help me with my extremely intense Scorpio Ascendant. Probably because I have Pluto in Libra (an astrologer could explain why that f*k’d everything up in my chart).

I APOLOGIZE for being a ranting, intense, half crazed, Scorpio Ascendant—my Libra placements have actually intensified it to an exhausting degree. But deep down I’m extremely empathetic. I always feel HORRIBLE when I know I’ve hurt someone even if I don’t show it. Sometimes it actually makes me physically ill when I know I’m responsible for someone else’s pain. But the guilt freaks me out and I don’t do a very good job of patching things up.

Regardless, I’m not getting divorced. Till DEATH doth us part! Just hope I don’t accelerate that process. 😬 Life with me hard livin’.

Anyway... this is soooo me: http://scorpioland.org/understanding-scorpio-need-for-solitude-within-relationship/

@Tim

not in th books but in meditation, straight vertebrae

It's what Gurinder means with ONE

It would be more logical
to understand if Purusha_Prakiti
had done just one Soul at the time, . . two or three perhaps
But all the zillions of universes filled. . . . why not!

Guess HE liked it that way

777

for S*. it is a great axioma <.
Nothing happens what you not want(ed)
So, don"t have chaurasi_nightmares.... be happy

Hey Sonia

You are certainly contributing to a lot of conversations and I would like to acknowledge your ongoing honesty and open-ness.
Re the neck - all the very best. I can relate to some degree as I’ve had on-going trouble over the last 25 years or so - some structural change affecting nerves/blood supply etc.
The free will debate will never end! One way to think about it is that free will/lack of, relates to ‘individuals’. When through some sort of realisation this ‘individual’ is seen to be mostly a mental/emotional construct, then one could say the game is over as the issue becomes moot, same for karma also. Of course it then becomes the game of well what the f’k am I then?
The RSSB teachings have confused this issue by keep going on about the soul being an individual entity therefor transferring the free-will issue to it, when to me the soul is more about expanded consciousness rather than a limited ‘packet’ (self).
That book your husband just passed onto you, is in my view a move in this ‘consciousness’ direction by RSSB. I read it last year and (from memory) commented that it appears to use the terms shabd, consciousness and soul interchangeably. Nisargadatta was even mentioned. Holy Advaitics! Yet I felt it still kept reverting to standard dogma at times, almost like having to tow the party line.
Looking at it critically this brings back the same old debate about what the teachings are really about - and one way to put it is they are not what they seem. 777 a champion of RSSB and GSD on this blog keeps hinting at it when he says things like ‘soul = shabd’ , ‘ YOU WERE NEVER EVER : NOT’, [people] ‘are the All Pervading Purusha’. I agree that this is ultimately what things are about, yet I can’t recall any older RSSB book stating things like this, mind you my book collection is gathering a lot of dust.…
Best wishes

Posted by: Tim Rimmer | April 23, 2020 at 08:43 PM

Hi Tim,

OMG, I know! I’m contributing waaay too much. I keep telling myself I’m going to take a break from contributing for at least a week but hasn’t happened yet. I read a few other blogs just for fun but don’t comment. I just read the posts and am not interested in what the commenters have to say on those blogs. Besides, even though I am soooo open here, it’s actually quite out of character for me. I mean I’m friendly and very sociable for about an hour or two a day and then retreat to my cave. Also, I’m in bed quite a lot these days because of my neck. I had a ski accident 20 years ago and then I basically got stabbed in the neck a few months after I got initiated in 2006 (very long story). It damaged my top cervical disc very badly and all the other discs successively completely degenerated over time. I should have had surgery 5 years ago when my doctor told me but I was scared. Now the pain is finally overriding the fear. I can’t even “sit” in meditation. I have to lie down. I keep ice on my neck all the time and have avoided pain killers but from time to time use steroids.

Gosh, I hope you get your neck sorted out. It’s very dangerous considering all the nerves it affects. And the pain is no fun. You don’t want to have to undergo neck surgery when you’re elderly—recovery is hard enough (from what I’ve been told). Best of luck to you on that.

Free will... what a can of worms. I just never gave much thought to it before because I never considered “zero” free will. Not sure why it bugged me so much for a few days but it did get me to download and listen to ‘As a Man Thinketh’. It only takes an hour to read or listen to and you may not agree with all of it but it is something I should listen to at least once a week to remind me that I’m responsible for what happens in my life and to not try and blame other people or circumstances.

Yes, I agree with you about the book and it’s “new” direction. The truth is the Truth and I actually really appreciate the direction GSD is taking. Putting things in today’s terms. Avoiding some of the “folk” dogma.

I will TRY to refrain from commenting so much but I’ve gotten so comfortable with this “crowd” and I’m practically bed ridden half the time so the temptation to contribute is pretty strong. 😂

I have 3 friends that I keep in touch with on a daily basis but no deep philosophical conversations.

All the best

for S*. it is a great axioma <.
Nothing happens what you not want(ed)
So, don"t have chaurasi_nightmares.... be happy
Posted by: 💛❤.🐕 ❤💛 | April 23, 2020 at 09:15 PM

I know. I’ve known since the first time I met... but life doesn’t feel real

@Sonia

For this kind of cervical troubles without medication
Intermittanf traction
from True Trac. ( US Company )

Rather expensive - applies installable traction next loosens electronically
If you can't find I will look on the device 4U

You can make something similar using gravity by filling a big bottle with water , next emptying etc
See not you doing that!

Good luck

7

Hi 7,

Maybe the chaurasi thing was to me..?
It's very sweet of you that you mention that..thank you!!
Yes.. I've worried so terribly much about that..
Scared me to dead..
Now I am over that!!
And idd Babaji helped me with that too..
He has very much changed things..
Indeed talking about the Oness etc..he definitely loosend things up.
So now..I do'nt have to 'believe things..but just Be and undergo..

I am happy Maharaji teached about vegetarian life ..,now I am for a longer time a vegan.
So no animal suffering..

"We still live in a male dominated society. "

Of all the insane things I've read on this blog, this is the most insane of them all. It's like people are stuck in a 1970's propaganda loop and can't get out.

Imo, only the Sat Guru can answer the question correctly. So it should be redirected to Baba Gurinder Singh.

Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | April 21, 2020 at 12:43 PM

I think the article has his reply. To quote from the article

" The belief that we have ‘free’ will arises because we are looking at things only from our human perspective. That perspective changes as we develop spiritually and a wider picture emerges."

So develop spiritually and know the schema.

@Sonia

For this kind of cervical troubles without medication
Intermittanf traction
from True Trac. ( US Company )

Rather expensive - applies installable traction next loosens electronically
If you can't find I will look on the device 4U

You can make something similar using gravity by filling a big bottle with water , next emptying etc
See not you doing that!

Good luck

7

Posted by: 💛❤.🐕 ❤💛 | April 24, 2020 at 04:57 AM

Gosh, wow. Thanks so much for looking that up. Yes, Tru Trac is expensive but I saw similar products/devices that would help and are less expensive when I searched for Tru Trac. Will help a lot I’m sure. 🙏

" The belief that we have ‘free’ will arises because we are looking at things only from our human perspective. That perspective changes as we develop spiritually and a wider picture emerges."

So develop spiritually and know the schema.

Posted by: Trevor Smith | April 24, 2020 at 08:24 AM

Do we have the free will to develop spiritually or is that controlled by destiny as well?

"We still live in a male dominated society. "

Of all the insane things I've read on this blog, this is the most insane of them all. It's like people are stuck in a 1970's propaganda loop and can't get out.

Posted by: Jesse | April 24, 2020 at 07:54 AM

OMG, did I say that???

That must have been on one of my decaf latte days.

My apologies. If I lived in India I’d have every right to say that but being an American with only first world problems, I’ll just blame that idiotic statement on Starbucks for not secretly giving me my usual daily morning order. They know me well enough to know what a bad idea no caffeine is. They’re a bunch of millennial and Gen Y boys. Poor guys. I’ll let them know next time I see them to stop listening to me.

(Seriously, I’m useless without caffeine.)

What do you drink at Starbucks, Sonia? I drink mochas. Not just from Starbucks, but from everywhere that sells them. Milky chocolate coffee is one of the best caffeinated substances on the planet.

Now, to my covid rant. As I was saying in my previous long and more angry covid rants (some of which you guys are lucky weren't published) the entirety of available data sets have been garbage and to call their predictions wrong is something far more severe than a massive understatement.

There are a million things I'm not posting here because I don't want to discourage people from practicing their religion of panic (which many seem to naturally be less devoted to lately anyway) but that a state is reducing their numbers because of misreporting the cause of death among other things is important. It would not be unwarranted to think that the same reporting errors mentioned in this article have happened globally but without the corresponding honest downward adjustments. Keeping the numbers high was the only way to get billions of people to lock themselves inside as some kind of sick social experiment or whatever this psychosis inducing spectacle is all about.

Anami would be absolutely shocked to read of this potential multiplication of deaths by ten I guess, since he knew, he just KNEW that there was an entire system of trustworthy souls accurately inspecting each and every reported instance of panic 19-

"Jeffrey Conner, the coroner in Franklin County, said he was blindsided by the department’s news on Tuesday that 10 people had died of COVID-19 in the county. As of Wednesday afternoon, he said, he was aware of only one death."

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/spl/pennsylvania-death-count-changes-confusion-coroanvirus-20200423.html

Mocha Frappuccinos!

Here's another beauty from the news that won't get a lot of attention-

""If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death." Dr. Ezike outlined."

This is the "hard science trust real true" data we're dealing with. "even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death." Read that a thousand times and remember that the the news is using these artificially inflated numbers more than any others, and then consider that the deaths from the shutdown likely already outnumber real covid deaths, but we'll never know because nobody is counting or reporting those deaths anywhere because poor people don't count.

https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/

Poor Matthew

Scorpios love those who are nasty and harm them
and kill those who love them

( from the nook. haha )

Seems to be true

7

Posted by: 7 | April 23, 2020 at 11:52 AM

This is haunting me. Why would you even say this? I had a really bad dream about it.

Watching ‘Big Little Lies’ because my friends recommended it along with a dozen other TV series and movies. My friends have completely run out of things to do during this quarantine since all of them live in urban settings and don’t have kids... they’re stuck with just TV, the internet and door dash.”

My God, what did they do during the Spanish flu??! Oh, I guess they just plowed the fields and tended the gardens as per normal—until they fell ill. Yuck. No, thank you.

Now might be a good time to change professions. I would love to be a movie critic. 🤔 Watched ‘Blow the Man Down’ last night. As much as I adore Margot Martindale and pretty much any movie or TV series set in Maine, this one is a must miss. Peanut Butter Falcon and Jojo Rabbit are the two best films I’ve seen peri-quarantine. Tomorrow night we’re watching ‘Edie’.

Here are the links to the two film recommendations:

The Peanut Butter Falcon
https://youtu.be/UNl9RqjLCwc

Jojo Rabbit
https://youtu.be/tL4McUzXfFI

That should get you through another day of quarantine.

You’re welcome.

Is religion potentially bad for people with mental illnesses?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3705681/

I have no regrets—especially considering that everything has happened according to His divine will. How can He possibly make a mistake? It’s impossible. This is something that should reassure us all and give us peace. So, when you close your eyes to sleep just remember “everything is as it should be”. That’s comforting.

Now I lay my head...

Posted by: Sonia | April 21, 2020 at 09:28 PM

Weigh your words as you utter them and your actions as you undertake them. You have a pact with your master and you need to honour your bit. An the pact means your Guru can be his usual forgiving type or god forbid the cracking the whip types.

Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.

Connection between Spirituality and Depression:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psychiatry-the-people/201804/spiritual-not-religious-is-associated-depression


Spirituality andDepression:
https://spiritualityhealth.com/articles/2019/07/04/spirituality-and-depression

Believe in Something! The I-don’t-knows suffer greater mental distress than athiests and religious people.
https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/31/are-both-religious-believers-and-atheists-less-depressed-existentially-unc

https://theconversation.com/why-inability-to-cope-with-uncertainty-may-cause-mental-health-problems-105406

Do we have the free will to develop spiritually or is that controlled by destiny as well?

Posted by: Imsoconfused | April 24, 2020 at 11:39 AM

Putting the effort to develop spiritually yes. The result i.e. you will spiritually awaken not really.

One isn't initiated if he/she didn't have the potential to spiritually awaken in this very life time and certainly over 3 or is it 4 lifetimes.

Doesn't the RSSB master say you have to travel the path yourself with your meditation as the means.

@sonia

You are privileged - not only do you know the reality of this creation but have been initiated as well.

A little bit of mindfulness and organising is all it takes according to this friend of mine who has introduced me to RSSB teachings. ( I am not a follower still)

So go for it. But don't forget to reveal the schema of free will or lack thereof once you have spiritually awakened. If permitted to reveal that is.

@Sonia
I don't know why

But checking the time_stamp
it is serendipity_wise,
when a scorpio friend committed suicide
and I never believed how much that still would hurt me
Can't think about something else - cry!

7

Weigh your words as you utter them and your actions as you undertake them. You have a pact with your master and you need to honour your bit. An the pact means your Guru can be his usual forgiving type or god forbid the cracking the whip types.

Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.

Posted by: Trevor Smith | April 25, 2020 at 12:58 AM

Trevor,

Timely and interesting comment, “Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.“

I’ve never forgotten that and that is exactly what caused the extreme bitterness that drove us apart. He doles out punishment and no forgiveness for past sins (in my case something I did when I was in my 20’s). I had such bitterness towards Him for that.

But that’s my Chiron. I’m starting not to care about... but a tremendous amount of apathy in general surrounds the subject.

I’ll weigh my words carefully.

Apparently some sins can’t be forgiven. That’s fine but there will never be closeness or love where that is concerned. Just a sense of duty and obligation.

Chiron rules here.

@Trevor

I’ll do what I have to do—my meditation and the vows. But GSD is an extremely harsh Master. However, they say you get the Master you deserve. It hasn’t been an easy relationship to say the very least but it’s my karma, duty and obligation. So be it. Like an arranged marriage.

"A little bit of mindfulness and organising is all it takes according to this friend of mine who has introduced me to RSSB teachings. ( I am not a follower still)"

Oh come on man. You come here under different names and repeat yourself verbatim. Maybe you think it's common and that hundreds of people continually speak on behalf of RSSB because their friend is a follower, but it's not. It's one of the weirdest things you can say to be honest.

And if you aren't the same person as the other one who absolutely loves and defends RSSB as the only truth in this world, but only has friends who are initiated, then there are at least two weirdos out there that I'm glad I don't know in real life.

Here's another beautiful covid moment. Our heroes are literally in a war zone surrounded by piles of human bodies and being overcome by the stench of death, but that doesn't stop them from choreographing dance routines, doing some long line dance and laughing in the midst of the dead and their families, and otherwise having a grand ol fun time!

My grandfather received a purple heart award for losing an entire leg in a war. I wonder if he was dancing and laughing during the war like these national heroes are doing.

Even if none of them were made during the pandemic I'm still gonna be more cautious if I ever have to enter a hospital again. The places are filled with clowns.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1249691577745920000.html

Sonya, I enjoy your comments, you make me smile... "I APOLOGIZE for being a ranting, intense, half crazed, Scorpio Ascendant".

Try to extract yourself from thoughts and feelings simply by living in the moment. No expectations. No free will. Just being. Even if life sucks and you are going through misery and pain. Its just that. We don't know why we are here and suffering. How will we ever know? This is the life we are meant to live. There is the good and the bad. What is this world? Who am I? Why am I here? Maybe we will know when we die and rise from the ashes - I hope so.

@Sonia
GSD is an extremely harsh Master
I doubt that

Try 24/7 Simran - as if it's oxygen

💛💛💛

Hey, Jesse.

Our coronavirus discussion started here
https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2020/03/open-thread-31-free-speech-for-comments.html?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a52014c0200b#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a52014c0200b
with the video that you posted of Dr Wolfgang Wodarg.
https://youtu.be/0qwiyxedC_o
A few comments later, I offered my analysis.

To summarize, Dr Wodarg claims that COVID-19 would be blamed for deaths that were really caused by the flu, because they can co-occur in patients. 7:21 in the video: "...we would've expected to find 2,000 to 3,000 people dying from a flu each year, that also had the coronavirus." The alleged epidemic was nothing to worry about, just virologists and politicians causing panic.

2,000 or 3,000? Germany is at 5,843 and counting, even with social distancing.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
They're still losing 150-200 a day, so by Monday the number of coronavirus deaths will exceed 6,000. Dr Wodarg was off by a factor of two or three, suggesting on its own that C-19 is more than an innocent bystander.

Early in the video he says he conducted a health department--but only for a region of 150,000 people! How does he keep a straight face? He was somewhat notorious to begin with...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Wodarg

@zen
Who am I? Why am I here? Maybe we will know when we die and rise from the ashes - I hope so.
Posted by: zenjen | April 25, 2020 at 02:36 PM

Wauw is that
You had Scorpio in the Sun in your past life and know all about it!

May I suggest
Not the ashes but the slow development of Love
like:
💛💛💛 God IS each of us 💛💛💛 He just looks how long it takes to develop Compassion when applying a litttle bit of amnesia. 💛💛💛

Kind of Vivisection

777

@Anami

It would be so nice broadcasters would work mote with percentages
Then we see immediately. which approach is best

Sweden?
The truth like with free will is in the middle

7

Anami, but like, Sweden and Iceland bro.

Also there's no evidence that "social distancing" has reduced infections. It could increase infection since shoving large amounts of people into crowded grocery and liquor stores without masks probably isn't helpful.

Plus a factor of 3 is a bit better than many orders of magnitude which is the error which your faith is trying to justify and make excuses for.

You're wrong and it's embarrassing, but I've moved on from that. What we need to know now is how wrong I am about the economic fallout. Because while some like to say "how can you sacrifice lives for an economy", the sane among us realize that economies are lives. Economies are food. Economies are shelter. So you better hope that I'm wrong, because if the economy falls apart, you're gonna see far more death an pain than this semi-strong flu-like virus has produced.

Think of me when your neighbors kick in your door to steal your food.

@7

Germany:
Total cases/million population = 1,868
Tests/million = 24,738
Deaths = 5,877
Cases = 156,513
Death in 3.75% of cases

Sweden:
Total cases/million population = 1,800
Tests/million = 9,357
Deaths = 2,192
Cases = 18,177
Death in 12% of cases

Germany and Sweden are interesting to compare. The total cases/million population are similar, but the virus looks much deadlier in Sweden for those infected. Why? The lighter approach to social distancing? Culture? Genetics? Statistical error with less testing? Something else?

💛▶ in the middle ◀💛
·······Words to live by·······

There are spreadsheets everywhere but
this %. of 12. said it all

USA is bad either. is 20 %. almost ( CNN 980 000 / 54 000. )
So Sweden is better , . . very light distancing no close

Here in France we had 3 weekends of BIG manifestations in Paris
without social distancing by the Unions against Pension reforms
The don t want to go to 65 years - Now is 62 I believe
but certain groups is much lower

World"s card in %. would be a quick understanding

Thank U. Anami.

7

7--
Sorry, I have to correct your math on USA deaths/cases:
54,000/980,000
= 0.055
= 5.5%

"Think of me when your neighbors kick in your door to steal your food."

Yeah, like they'd actually get off their sofas.

Imo, only the Sat Guru can answer the question correctly. So it should be redirected to Baba Gurinder Singh.

Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | April 21, 2020 at 12:43 PM

I think the article has his reply. To quote from the article

" The belief that we have ‘free’ will arises because we are looking at things only from our human perspective. That perspective changes as we develop spiritually and a wider picture emerges."

So develop spiritually and know the schema.

Posted by: Trevor Smith | April 24, 2020 at 08:24 AM

You haven't sough Naam from the Sat Guru?

So what method do you use to develop spiritually, e.g. Kundalini yoga?

Has anyone noticed how the heads of the CDC, WHO, Bill "I remained friends with Epstein even after he was convicted of raping children" Gates, and basically everyone else in any position of power NEVER wears a mask even in the midst of large crowds of other public figures who obviously have a higher risk of contracting this coronavirus bullshit?

It's almost as if the people who are asking us to destroy the entire economy (also known as the source of sustenance for all mankind) and to lock ourselves in our homes like caged animals, are themselves not afraid of this disease that is going to supposedly kill everything.

Why are they not afraid? Do they know things that you and I don't?

"Think of me when your neighbors kick in your door to steal your food."

Yeah, like they'd actually get off their sofas.

Posted by: anami | April 26, 2020 at 08:30 AM

😂😂😂

You haven't sough Naam from the Sat Guru?

So what method do you use to develop spiritually, e.g. Kundalini yoga?

Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | April 26, 2020 at 09:25 AM

Not initiated. Light years away from any Religion (by birth Christianity). Spiritual development - a notion only still. No step taken towards this.

Not initiated. Light years away from any Religion (by birth Christianity). Spiritual development - a notion only still. No step taken towards this.

Posted by: Trevor Smith | April 26, 2020 at 01:11 PM

The Christian world must thus need your advancement? Big ups to true followers of Christ.

Peace be with you.

@Trevor
You’re like a civilized version of Georgy.

@Jesse @anami
Maybe you need this in case your neighbors “kick your door in to steel your food”. https://youtu.be/9Ffiq0ayU-Q
I love Sebastian. 🤣

Dear Satsangins, Trumpettes and other far lesser mortals,

We bring you greeting from Bhanwar Gupha!

We seek your urgent assistance.

We are searching for one of your human organisations, the Noble Committee. We were sent an alert from them saying that we at HOGWASH had won a prize for spreading peas around the multi-verse. We have searched your earth dimension high and low for many yugas looking for this mysterious organisation the Noble Committee to collect our prize, but have so far been unable to locate it.

We are beginning to suspect these prizes have been awarded to us fraudulently and that this Noble Committee is a product of Kal, an illusion. We at HOGWASH suspect the deeply twisted and disturbed mind of the abhorrent and perverted demon who goes by the name of "manjit" on this forum may be behind all this. Please beware of his antics.

Blessings to the True Believers,

HOGWASH

Anami, according to "experts" some states before the coronavirus hype were wrongly reporting causes of death over 50% of the time... But how can that be? I was assured by the scientifically faithful that we could trust the experts and their magic numbers.

And Anami, this directly contradicts what you said about the hospital staff who've been trained as masters and always record the cause of death correctly-

"The widespread inaccuracy of death certificate information stems largely from the varying levels of expertise of those who complete the forms, experts said. "

EXPERTS SAID! I choose to believe experts with full faith. They're all anonymously telling the news how wrong they are, but that we need to lock the whole world down based on their wrong shoddy data. It's such an enlightening spiritual experience.

Just keep believing in the masters, with their bright and shining hospital garb. The real holy ones.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/04/25/coronavirus-death-toll-hard-track-1-3-death-certificates-wrong/3020778001/

For the record, no one “owns” my soul. Please choose your words more carefully.

Im gonna join HOGWASH and take over the entire organization from Bhanwar Gupha all the way down to each and every tisra til. The world will be mine.

Jesse,

The whole world was already in lockdown.
84 lakh.
84 lakhdown.

Sonya, I enjoy your comments, you make me smile... "I APOLOGIZE for being a ranting, intense, half crazed, Scorpio Ascendant".

Try to extract yourself from thoughts and feelings simply by living in the moment. No expectations. No free will. Just being. Even if life sucks and you are going through misery and pain. Its just that. We don't know why we are here and suffering. How will we ever know? This is the life we are meant to live. There is the good and the bad. What is this world? Who am I? Why am I here? Maybe we will know when we die and rise from the ashes - I hope so.

Posted by: zenjen | April 25, 2020 at 02:36 PM

Jenzen (😁)

Thank you much. 🙏 Your words are very encouraging. I just read it. Sorry, for my late reply...

Maybe it was meant to be that I’m only just now reading your message because I’m in a much more receptive mood and I think your exactly right. We can ask questions till the day we die but it won’t change what’s happened in the past. We are where we are right now and we have to accept that on some level. (Otherwise we’ll just go crazy.)

~Sonia
☺️

OK, this is my last comment. Has anyone read the essays on the RSSB site lately. When did they get to be so loving and kind and merciful?? Definitely a positive change. Or maybe they’re changing their tone because people are losing their minds in this end time of tortuous drama. Words matter. I believe people are more fragile now than ever before in history. We’re bombarded with endless psychological demands... sometimes life feels like Chinese water torture. You can handle it for a little while but eventually everyone breaks.

The awakening of humanity.

It is almost impossible to convince anyone that has yet to awaken to the truth of human nature, that they are trapped in a perceptive reality... created by their own mind.
The human mind is a powerful creator that processes all incoming information to generate the perceptive reality we live in.
Change the information...change the perception of reality.
Looking out, it is easy to believe that the world we see, is all there is.
Albert Einstein once said,
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

Even in this very dense layer of reality, most humans are aware that we exist in different layers of perceptive awareness that fundamentally changes how each of us experiences life.
Still our limited perspective prevents us from applying that awareness beyond the conditioning of our mind by the Religious Institutions and Educational System... to see the trap.

I wish I could simply do as the character Morpheus did in the Matrix, and give all those that have yet to awaken a red pill to help them see what they really are... but that is not how Consciousness works.
So we have to suffer to slowly break down all our false beliefs, to finally get to a place where we are forced to look inside and feel our inherent connection to Source, nature, and one another... to understand the truth of all that we are.
That is something ‘the system’ does not want.

In regard to the required suffering.... NOW, this time when humanity is being driven into fear and being manipulated into choosing control as a form as safety, will lead directly to the suffering that will serve its purpose, and awaken the masses from the illusion.
How much we suffer depends on how many of us are awakened.

The fear you see manifesting across the face of humanity is merely a symptom of our disconnection from our true nature; a fear that is being exploited to sustain another branch of Consciousness... to feed their need.

On this plane of existence, your purpose is to awaken to your true nature, or you will continue to create suffering until it eventually forces you to change your mind, and look within for the answers.

You have been misled to look for ‘God’, safety, comfort, abundance and love.... out there.
You have been conditioned to believe that you are small and insignificant, that you are something separate from creation and the rest of humanity.
You have been conditioned by your education to believe that the system is there to protect and to help you create an independent life where you have free will.
In fact, almost everything you have been taught has been a manipulation to suppress the inevitable awakening of Consciousness and keep humanity in a State of Fear...
to hide the fact that OUR LIFE FORCE IS A RESOURCE.
(FEAR - Our underlying state of mind, or our output frequency, is a form of sustenances until we transcend into our ‘higher’ states of Being... LOVE)

If sheep could think as humans do, they would probably love the kind farmer that feeds them and protects them from predators.
They would cling to the safety of that illusion until one or two of the crazy sheep started to notice that the lambs keep disappearing.
If the herd could be convinced to shift their perception of the farmer, to focus their attention on looking for the lambs that kept mysteriously disappearing, they would finally start to smell the blood from the slaughter house hidden behind the hill. Then the sheep would suddenly realise... the fence is not there to keep the wolves out.
But they cannot....

Your mind cannot see the trap because it is the trap... a trap that has been manipulated for thousands of years.
In the age of information technology ‘they’ have just become extremely efficient at it.

Look beyond your beliefs, look at what the system suppresses...
only you can find the truth.
You won’t believe anyone else.

Hogwash and Jesse live under great delusions of grandeur

Im gonna join HOGWASH and take over the entire organization from Bhanwar Gupha all the way down to each and every tisra til. The world will be mine.

Posted by: Jesse | April 26, 2020 at 05:56 PM

Lord Indra joining Hogwash. Or better still a True Saint joining Hogwash. 🤣😂😂😂

It's you who is changing Sonia not RSSB. It's your perception and your receptivity that is changing. Everything is always in the eye of the beholder.

Even though people will try manipulate your thoughts and censor opinions, truth remains true no matter how subversive and undermining that some insidious people with huge disregard for open dialog and freedom of thinking will try to subvert the truth.

@jesse.
vaccinated
google in TOR :
microbiologists dead

@someonedunit

You’re right I’m more receptive.

Weigh your words as you utter them and your actions as you undertake them. You have a pact with your master and you need to honour your bit. An the pact means your Guru can be his usual forgiving type or god forbid the cracking the whip types.

Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.

Posted by: Trevor Smith | April 25, 2020 at 12:58 AM

Trevor,

Timely and interesting comment, “Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.“

I’ve never forgotten that and that is exactly what caused the extreme bitterness that drove us apart. He doles out punishment and no forgiveness for past sins (in my case something I did when I was in my 20’s). I had such bitterness towards Him for that.

But that’s my Chiron. I’m starting not to care about... but a tremendous amount of apathy in general surrounds the subject.

I’ll weigh my words carefully.

Apparently some sins can’t be forgiven. That’s fine but there will never be closeness or love where that is concerned. Just a sense of duty and obligation.

Chiron rules here.

@Trevor

I’m sorry I responded the way I did. I just took “Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.“ as a threat.

I realize (hope) now that you didn’t mean it like that. It just felt like you were threatening me at the time.

Anyway, I guess I have some issue and certain words trigger/scare me.

"Hogwash and Jesse live under great delusions of grandeur"

No way man.

Those posts were deadly serious. I'm not joking when I say I'm joining HOGWASH to take over the entire universe.

No delusions. This is reality.

P.S. I stayed up til 3 AM and just woke up at noon. I'm writing this in the same pajamas that I plan to wear during my universe conquering.

OK Jesse good luck with your escapades
we flippantly think we have control over our mind let alone over universes and multi verses
little do we know how little control we actually do have, its so infinitesimal that its practically nil, nienta, zero

someonedunit, you're so wise that i am driven to tears when i read your words. are you the sant sat guru? are you GOD?

“Never forget, your Guru owns your soul and what it can be subject to.“

No-one owns your soul. Each soul is a drop in the ocean. The ocean of infinite potential.

Forget about religions and gurus. Take back your personal power. Have faith in yourself. How? Just simply watch and observe thoughts as they come and go. Be aware and alert. Don't judge yourself. Be kind to yourself.

Another must-watch video from a scientist who though correct, not embraced by the media or the government.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Q4naYOYDw

Media thrives on panic and destruction so some, but not all, of their motives are pretty clear. But with government you can never tell if their seeming incompetence is intentional or not.

But always remember, all you faithful who believe, that you trusted the same government approved scientists that claim marijuana is more dangerous than fentanyl to guide your views on this coronavirus. And you trusted the same media who, in collaboration with foreign and domestic government, invented stories about our president urinating on hookers to start a coup.

Stop believing.


*Sudden Chinese decision shakes the corners of the entire world*

China surprised the world today and decided to cancel the dollar peg in the stock exchange transactions and decided to deal officially and the official link to the Chinese yuan instead of the dollar, and this is a bold and important step in China's economic history. This means that the dollar has become non-existent in Chinese trading and the US dollar will fall strongly against the Chinese yuan and may affect it in global markets. And all the global markets were stunned by the decision. The news was discussed today on the BBC World English afternoon program. It is an economic war that could lead the world to a devastating war that cannot be neglected if America acts foolishly in the face of this decision !! China 2021 will lead the world. This is China's old dream and what it planned to achieve for decades or more.
China plans a separate digital currency e-RMB, to take on fights with $

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/china-starts-major-trial-of-state-run-digital-currency

e-RMB, which is set to be the first digital currency operated by a major economy.

A sovereign *digital currency provides a functional alternative to the dollar* settlement system and blunts the impact of any sanctions or threats of exclusion both at a country and company level,” last week’s China Daily report said.

Some government employees and public servants to receive their salaries in the digital currency from May.

A decline in cash usage is expected to continue amid the growing popularity of digital payment platforms and as people avoid physical contact during the coronavirus pandemic.

It may also facilitate *integration into globally traded currency markets* with a reduced risk of politically inspired disruption.

someonedunit,

You had me worried for a second, but here's what I turned up...

"BOOM did not find any official note supporting the claim that China has stopped pegging its currency to the dollar"
https://www.boomlive.in/fake-news/has-china-canceled-the-dollar-peg-in-stock-exchange-transactions-7927

"A report that appeared in the Forbes.com said that China was nowhere close to replacing the dollar. The dollar is gold standard and if the euro could not overtake it, the Chinese renminbi (RMB) sure will not."
https://www.oneindia.com/india/fact-check-has-china-cancelled-the-dollar-peg-in-stock-exchange-transactions-3080480.html

"China’s central bank may be re-pegging the yuan’s exchange rate against the US dollar"
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3079243/coronavirus-china-re-pegging-yuan-us-dollar-avert-financial

Someonedunit, I don't get why everything China does financially gets so much news coverage, usually of the doom variety, yet nothing ever happens. I've been reading about China selling of US bonds to crush America for a decade. But they sell some bonds and then nothing catastrophic happens.

Now this test on cancelling of the dollar peg you mention that's gonna change the entire world seems to have had nearly no effect on the market. Contrast that to 2015 when the Swiss Franc decoupled from EUR and within hours massive brokerage houses went out of business and the entire world of finance was in a panic, there were stories of suicides coming out all over, but there was almost no major mainstream news about it.

Obviously time will tell, but China running these tests on a digital currency has had essentially no effect on markets whatsoever. Exchange rates are stable.

Yep the Chinese are gearing up to depose the US as no 1.

Dunno if that’s a good or bad thing.

But where are all these western governments getting the huge sums of money for funding massive stimulus and to bail out their workforce, if they already running big deficits.

It’s not as if only one or two are borrowing, they all doing it. So the question is who is the solvent lender stumping up all this dosh for the merry go round? And what happens when the music stops?

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/china-starts-major-trial-of-state-run-digital-currency

It's a Guardian report from April 28th

It says it's aiming at removing dollar peg. It's probably aimed at replacing the dollar and doing trials in major Chinese cities. And implementing state run digital currency.

Probably they haven't officially canceled the $ in the stock market yet but gearing up to divorce dependency on US$

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/bill-gates-is-wrong-chinas-coronavirus-coverup-is-not-a-distraction/2020/04/30/080c6986-8b11-11ea-9dfd-990f9dcc71fc_story.html

I'm wondering why this 'philanthropist' is so defensive of Chinese virology lab leak. What's he got to gain from defending them? WHO deeply embedded there, is this where his virus conquering vaccine is coming from? Or he's out to destabilize US and world economy for some ulterior end?

"canceled the $ in the stock market yet"

Well, you trade stocks in the stock market, not really currency other than some derivatives. So you don't have to worry about that.

If China has any bravery at all they'll just do like the Swiss did and pull the rug out from under the whole world without notice. They can't avoid war no matter how hard they try, so they might as well just hurry up.

As for your other conspiracy theories (not saying that as a derogatory thing. the powerful conspire secretly all the time) you'll just have to wait. You can't find accurate dates about the year when Covid 19 started infecting humans. There's no way in hell you're gonna find out truths about the origins of that virus. It's 100% politicized at this point, and all news is someone's personal propaganda project. The Washington Post which you linked to obviously being The Bezos Blog.

Well obviously a Chinese pull out of the $ is little different to Switzerland pulling out of Euro, they're obviously not quite ready to lay down the gauntlet just yet. Swiss don't pose any military threat only an economic issue largely centered around the EU. But seems like China is gearing up to become less dependent on the $ and to set up a self sufficient internal digital currency to offset threats by US and UK against potential sanctions who's sabers are being rattled already.

https://www.facebook.com/WIONews/videos/237409847473533/

Modi's media is gunning for China also
(I really like this chick she's a great frontline reporter) - anyway Europe Australia and USA roping in Taiwan to WHO to rub some salt in and with India stoking it up behind the scenes are gunning for Xi's regime. Donald likes to tote his gunslinger approach, let's see who's going to blink first.

https://www.wionews.com/videos/gravitas-3-world-leaders-step-up-pressure-on-china-296198

I see that link was from Facebook
Here is the original WIONews link

https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/intelligence-report-says-china-lied-about-origin-of-coronavirus/amp/

https://www.newsweek.com/controversial-wuhan-lab-experiments-that-may-have-started-coronavirus-pandemic-1500503

Both articles suggest accidental release of C-19 from the Wuhan Institute of Virology but that China engaged in a coverup. The Newsweek piece explains a research method to enhance the transmissibility of natural viruses called gain-of-function (GOF), which could be suspected. It's controversial for obvious reasons, but "Scientists in many of the more than 30 BSL-4 labs around the world had used them to enhance the transmissibility of respiratory-tract pathogens."

Blame the player, or blame the game?

But what does Gates have to benefit from it?

He’s already made his fortune and said he’s going to give half of it away or something. For a conspiracy theory to hold any water there’s gotta be some benefit accruing to the string-puller masterminds so what would Gates be looking to get?

https://www.wionews.com/videos/gravitas-3-world-leaders-step-up-pressure-on-china-296198

I see that link was from Facebook
Here is the original WIONews link

Posted by: someonedunit | May 02, 2020 at 04:46 AM

Sorry, but this woman is completely clueless on how information is shared and given between the US President and our Intelligence community. Clueless. Any evidence he would have seen would have come from them. Also, the Intelligence community is say it’s not CONCLUSIVE that it came from the lab. That doesn’t mean that they have ruled out the possibility it just means they won’t declare something “conclusive” if it’s only 99% certain. They will only call it conclusive if it’s 100% certain.

You don’t understand how things work.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/bill-gates-is-wrong-chinas-coronavirus-coverup-is-not-a-distraction/2020/04/30/080c6986-8b11-11ea-9dfd-990f9dcc71fc_story.html

I'm wondering why this 'philanthropist' is so defensive of Chinese virology lab leak. What's he got to gain from defending them? WHO deeply embedded there, is this where his virus conquering vaccine is coming from? Or he's out to destabilize US and world economy for some ulterior end?

Posted by: someonedunit | May 01, 2020 at 03:52 PM

Because Bill Gates is an idealist... and naive. Probably so naive because he’s an idealist. He certainly isn’t trying to gain anymore profit—that’s not what he’s about. He’s just one of those rainbow-pie-in-the-sky idealists. That’s not a bad thing except for when you’re dealing with people who aren’t so ideal. It’s not practical to be so blind, but it doesn’t mean he has an ulterior motive.

"They will only call it conclusive if it’s 100% certain."

No, they will only say what is beneficial to their goals. To think that "intelligence communities" are where we should go for truth is hilarious. Who doesn't know how things work, authority worshiper?

Don’t get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for Bill and Melinda Gates. They’re good people and have contributed a lot of good to this world. But one has to be balanced. This isn’t a perfect world. No one is perfect. There are selfish people and groups who do conspire. But not everything is a conspiracy. You have to weight the facts very carefully. Especially when it comes to the global balance of power.

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