Open Thread 31 (free speech for comments)

Here's a new Open Thread.

Remember, off-topic comments should go in an Open Thread. 

This hasn't been happening recently, as some commenters have been using blog posts as a "chat room," basically, so from now on I'm going to vow to do better at not approving comments submitted on a regular blog post if the comment doesn't deal with the subject of the post. 

If you don't see a recent comment, or comments, posted, it's because you've failed to follow the above rule. Keep to the subject of a blog post if you leave a comment on it. And if you want to use this blog as a "chat room," do that in an open thread.

As noted before, it's good to have comments in a regular blog post related to its subject, and it's also good to have a place where almost anything goes in regard to sharing ideas, feelings, experiences, and such. That place is an Open Thread.

Leave a comment on this post about anything you want to talk about. Remember that I'm moderating comments, so it could take a while for your comment to be published. Almost every comment submitted to an Open Thread will be approved. Personal attacks on someone are an exception. Argue with ideas, not insults.

Though I haven't been doing too well on this, I'll try to remember to always have an Open Thread showing in the Recent Posts section in the right sidebar. If one isn't showing, I've added an Open Threads category in, naturally, the Categories section. You can always find an Open Thread that way.

So if you're a believer in some form of religion, mysticism, or spirituality, this is where you can put your "praise God," "praise Guru," or "praise _______" comments.

Comments

[Santosh]

An Ordinary Indian,

What you have to do with GSD? Are u his follower?

[Sonia]

Time to start using the new thread, so adding here as well...

@Trevor,

I just finished listening to the audiobook version of ‘Have a Little Faith’.

Truly very beautiful and touching.

“I am in love with hope”. Yes, that sums it up perfectly. (And you can’t flip to the back of the book to read that when it’s an audiobook! 😂)

Posted by: Sonia | Mar 30, 2020 8:59:29 PM

[anami]

Sonia,

Yes, we walked around Williamsburg just the other day. The emptiness was in stark contrast to the usual street life and energy You didn't miss much by not living there--too boisterous and grimy.

NYC isn't as treacherous as it used to be, because of gentrification, but soaring rents are the downside. People fled the city after 9/11, and rents came down. Will history repeat?

[Santosh]

Books writtern by non-enlightened people is similar to a beautiful hollow sphere. They only have outside lusture but from inside they are empty. So reading them is just a time waste.

These are the people filled with lust,anger,greed,enchantment and ego. So their creations will also lead to these sins.

Only books written by True Masters are worth reading.

[Santosh]

One thing that I have seen is that about 99 percent of Santmat followers do not follow dharma. These non-dharmic people continue to do bad to others and support evil criminals and politicians.And yet they sit in satsangs and claim themselves to be big satsangis!

These people don't know the alphabet of righousness and think that their actions are justifiable.

And specially those working in the Dera and its sewadars.If you want to find some of the most corrupted and ruthless people then you can visit the Dera and meet its employees. Fuckers.

This situation is similar to all the religious organisations in the world.

The biggest crime that the religions in the world are doing is the justification of cruelty on animals.

I have met many fuckers claiming that Jesus Christ, Prophet Mohammed, Buddha etc. etc. all supported animal killing and cruelty.

My response to all these fuckers will be that first understand what is righteousness and think what will happen if the same cruelty and harm is done to you?

[Santosh]

Evil people should know about the hellish punishments that they can get because of their actions.

Evil peiple think that nothing will happen to them if they harm others. But they are wrong. Everyone will have to pay for their actions in the court of Yamraj.

List of Hellish Punishments according to Garuda Purana-

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/sbdsisaikat.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/list-of-hellish-punishments-garuda-purana/amp/

[An Ordinary Indian]

One thing that I have seen is that about 99 percent of Santmat followers do not follow dharma. These non-dharmic people continue to do bad to others and support evil criminals and politicians.And yet they sit in satsangs and claim themselves to be big satsangis!

These people don't know the alphabet of righousness and think that their actions are justifiable.

And specially those working in the Dera and its sewadars.If you want to find some of the most corrupted and ruthless people then you can visit the Dera and meet its employees. Fuckers.

Posted by: Santosh | March 30, 2020 at 11:12 PM

A Disappointed Satsangi Indian

You are bang on. I am told, even by many in here, it starts from the very top at RSSB i.e. GSD . What an excellent choice to have as your spiritual guru, GSD. Perpetrator of a multi-billion fraud, accused of land grabbing, accused of destroying farmlands of nearby farmers, issuing murder threats, hobnobbing with known criminals. Others please add if I miss something. Indeed there isn't a more dharmic individual than GSD.

And hey guys in here, just ignore the repeated use of a profanity. For some uncouth Indians it's like being cool.

[Santosh]

An Ordinary Indian,

You don't know the real identity of GSD. Ask someone who goes inside the body to know who is he.

And you don't have any concrete proof whether he has harmed anyone. So speaking in air is of no use.

And you tell me that GSD is my guru. But you also used to sit in his preachings. Whom are you trying to fool?

[Santosh]

Ok so this will be my last comment here. I am tired responding to criminals and idiots.

The last comment will be for An Ordinary Indian, who changed his alias 3 times to respond to me. Fool thinks that I don't know.

So my dear An Ordinary Indian,

You are a kiddo. I can break your ass within seconds if I want(you should well understand by the power that I am emitting through my comments). But you will not know that because you are a kiddo. Anyways I am bound by some promises.

So please enjoy because your ass is saved. But not so long in the court of Yama.

I have to study so much. So get lost.

[An Ordinary India]

An Ordinary Indian,

You don't know the real identity of GSD. Ask someone who goes inside the body to know who is he.

And you don't have any concrete proof whether he has harmed anyone. So speaking in air is of no use.

And you tell me that GSD is my guru. But you also used to sit in his preachings. Whom are you trying to fool?

Posted by: Santosh | March 31, 2020 at 06:30 AM

I used to sit in his preachings.... Really. You went inside your body to find this out?? LoL

FYI too, I don't seek God, a concept just worth flushing.

Ever been to their vault where they store the unaccounted cash which is largely used to pay the black component in their various land deals? YOUR GURU has bought 14acres of land from a client of mine with a 40% black component.

Indeed very dharmik of him!!!

For those who don't follow, property dealings in India in almost all cases are underpriced in the sale deeds with a liquid cash top-up (referred to as the black component).

And let's not talk about the harm he has caused. What he ensures through just his security department is obsence. Punjabis love to brag and for a twisted mind like me, not very difficult to extract out the ugly side of Satsang programmes whenever held in Delhi.

[An Ordinary Indian]

You don't know the real identity of GSD. Ask someone who goes inside the body to know who is he.

Posted by: Santosh | March 31, 2020 at 06:30 AM

So what is his real identity @Santosh - one who goes inside the body and is the flag bearer of that 1% of the dharma following RSSB satsangs?

I hope you will bring back 'concrete proof' of his real identity once you return back from your trip inside the body.

[An Ordinary Indian]

List of Hellish Punishments according to Garuda Purana-

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/sbdsisaikat.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/list-of-hellish-punishments-garuda-purana/amp/

Posted by: Santosh | March 30, 2020 at 11:22 PM

Lovely. Can I look forward to the pleasure of being subject to each one listed? I ask because I am not a Hindu. LoL.

[Karim W. Rahmaan]

On a positive note, people are recovering from the coronavirus. And tests are being conducted, something to keep up hope:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/27/coronavirus-serum-plasma-treatment/

[Sonia Taylor]

@Santosh

OK, wow. Even Sant Mat isn’t that harsh. I remember reading in one of the RS books that either Great Master or Charan Singh was asked what happened to Judas. And their answer was that Judas was in heaven... with Jesus I think. 😂

But according to my mother-in-law, Charan was asked what happened to Queen Victoria when she died and he replied that she became a tree. 🤣 I guess the Inglorious Empire was much worse than the Romans.

[Sonia Taylor]

On a positive note, people are recovering from the coronavirus. And tests are being conducted, something to keep up hope:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/27/coronavirus-serum-plasma-treatment/

Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | March 31, 2020 at 01:21 PM

This sort of therapy would be especially helpful for those who are in a medically induced coma and or those not strong enough help to take some of the other treatments that can be hard on the liver.

[💥.💥.💥.]

An Ordinary Indian

There is only one sin
To do harm to another, willingly
the opposite of the RSSB site today"s proverb
So good- I hope they let it for a week

Extraterrestial "Punishments" are in the surviving mind°°° of the defund -s/he figures out what is best
during that so called one second s/he sees the past life flashing

°°°. Just as solid as our present fllussoir time_space_environment (region)

Nothing is real, corona19 included
Thanks Sonia 4your timely report about the hydroChloroquine solution

777

[An Ordinary Indian]

An Ordinary Indian

There is only one sin
To do harm to another, willingly

Posted by: 💥.💥.💥. | March 31, 2020 at 04:38 PM

Is this RSSB philosophy? I thought the Law of Karma is firmly entrenched therein. And if I am correct, then a wrong is a wrong done knowingly or unknowingly. You will pay the price either way.

[Pema Tej]

RSSB sewadars are working round the clock to serve the poor and those in need with warm meals during this lockdown crisis in India.

We ought to learn to appreciate the good deeds and service done by fellow satsanghis.

"By the people, for the people."

[💓💓. 💓💓]

And if I am correct, then a wrong is a wrong done knowingly or unknowingly.

If you by many "harms done" come in a bad rebirth with low Low_Love IQ, low social possibilities, than the new "Harm" you do
is consequently your fault from the past

But Soami Ji said also that many High Level Souls have chosen such
circumstances for eliminating some last impurities , hindering them
to go from the 4th to the 5th spiritual purity
except Love ( I think : they still have that )
SO, we can never judge about someone
the hungery begger paria might be such a one

In fact , somewhat less dramatical, all Jeevas are in a situation of possible improvement

777

[j]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak8iWRSARJU

Afaik, the only video of Gurinder Singh speaking.

[A Wise 🦉]

RSSB sewadars are working round the clock to serve the poor and those in need with warm meals during this lockdown crisis in India.

We ought to learn to appreciate the good deeds and service done by fellow satsanghis.

"By the people, for the people."

Posted by: Pema Tej | April 01, 2020 at 07:56 AM

Yes.

Satsang Centres have been opened up too..... As either isolation wards or shelters to the homeless and migrant daily wage earners with meals and other basic necessities being provided.

In the past many have questioned the need for these thousands of centres..... They have their answer I suppose.

[j]

Better vid of Gurinder, April 1st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5LqHOn6_w

If any of our friends from India can translate, much appreciated.

[A Wise 🦉]

Better vid of Gurinder, April 1st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5LqHOn6_w

If any of our friends from India can translate, much appreciated.

Posted by: j | April 01, 2020 at 12:01 PM

So earlier this week the PM reached out to a few prominent and well regarded Religious Heads which also included Babaji.

In the video, the reporter mentions that Babaji has assured PM that he Is available for any kind of service and that the doors of RSSB are open for the needy and that they are in constant touch with the administration to coordinate all relief measures so that the suffering of the impacted people can be alleviated.

He can be heard saying to the PM "We are in touch with all the district administrators here on distributing food, isolation wards or providing shelter to people and that all these facilities have been readied and going forward too, all resources is of the sangat and our doors will always remain open for those in need."

Instructions that he has left with the Sevadars is that nobody is to go hungry. So centres will scale up to whatever is asked of them. Delhi for instance was serving 28k meals twice a day, a few days ago but already with a capacity of over 50+ meals twice.

What I am aware is these services are already being availed by the administration in the states of Punjab, Haryana, Jammu and Kashmir, Uttar Pradesh and Delhi. It could be at more places too. But not to my knowledge.

[An Ordinary Indian]

@777,

Since you seem to be a well regarded follower of the RSSB religion

Is breaking ass (whatever fuck it means) also enshrined in the RSSB philosophy?? LoL

@Santosh - Product of RSSB huh??

[An Ordinary Indian]

Ok so this will be my last comment here. I am tired responding to criminals and idiots.

The last comment will be for An Ordinary Indian, who changed his alias 3 times to respond to me. Fool thinks that I don't know.

So my dear An Ordinary Indian,

You are a kiddo. I can break your ass within seconds if I want(you should well understand by the power that I am emitting through my comments). But you will not know that because you are a kiddo. Anyways I am bound by some promises.

So please enjoy because your ass is saved. But not so long in the court of Yama.

I have to study so much. So get lost.

Posted by: Santosh | March 31, 2020 at 06:41 AM

I am sooooooooo scared of you now.. And

I can't stop thanking you for saving my ass OH POWERFUL ONE!!!!

5 aliases you fool... Not 3. Even @ sonia is one of my alias. LoL

To Note: @santosh is A Product of RSSB. A shining example of what one is like if one follows RSSB. No wonder the exers proclaim to be better humans leaving RSSB.

Time to study.... It was obvious you are uneducated. But Better than studying is GFY

And one last thing who the hell is this bloke Yama. Another uneducated, uncouth like you?

[💓💓 💓💓]

Thank U. J
I placed the following there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5LqHOn6_w

ankhaton
il y a 16 minutes
Today, . . hearing on CNN ( J Tapper ) Ventilators have a 20 % survival rate
and remembering an Italian survivor, when they did put him on it,
he heard a voice in his head , saying : "When you do That, you will die!"
so he refused
and explained "WE HAVE TO FIGHT, OURSELVE "

I thought : All of us need starting this fighting allready doing Breath Exercises" , do it NOW
and often.Aspire the double slowly or more while yet healthy
India, The country of Hatha Yoga

If you can before being sick gurgle your mouth regularly and before sleep
-
Also BloodGroup A & AB. nurses should br excempted from service here - they are to vulnerable
-
Masks can be sterilised by UV lights - - 2 hours in the sun
May God show His Merci on all of us, . . and HE Will
Radha Soami Ji
<3

777

[Sonia]

Better vid of Gurinder, April 1st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5LqHOn6_w

If any of our friends from India can translate, much appreciated.

Posted by: j | April 01, 2020 at 12:01 PM

Accord to my friend who lives in India, in the video he is saying...

We are in contact with all here, with all the district administrators whether for food, isolation wards or to look after and give shelter to sangat. We have arranged all the facilities. And in future also, everything here is for sangat and doors will be always opened for the sangat.

[Sonia]

5 aliases you fool... Not 3. Even @ sonia is one of my alias. LoL

To Note: @santosh is A Product of RSSB. A shining example of what one is like if one follows RSSB. No wonder the exers proclaim to be better humans leaving RSSB.

Time to study.... It was obvious you are uneducated. But Better than studying is GFY

And one last thing who the hell is this bloke Yama. Another uneducated, uncouth like you?

Posted by: An Ordinary Indian | April 01, 2020 at 01:31 PM

Ummm... please don’t pull me in the middle of this.

Santosh, take your meds.

An Ordinary Indian, ignore Santosh.

God, I feel like I’m playing Mom here.

[Anon]

J he is assuring the prime minister that all arrangements for the people who have no place to go are taken care of by RSSB for as long as it’s needed.

[Sonia]

@An Ordinary Indian,

In every organization you’re going to find good people and bad people (by bad I mean people who have a more issues than the average person). That’s human nature.

Every school, philosophy, civic group, government and religion has people who live by the group’s principles and those who have a difficult time living up to the principles they profess to believe in. There’s nothing unique about that.

[An Ordinary Indian]

Right @sonia. Like the fella in this video huh?

https://youtu.be/YTx1Y48WCd4

India's numbers doubled due to another lunatic like this fella in the video.

The 'Tablighi Jamaat' could very well turn out to be India's second patient 31.

Look up this issue and the case of Baldev Singh - and learn of the likely disaster these MF'ers have caused - DELIBERATELY.

Men of God or Agent of Death????

[Sonia]

Right @sonia. Like the fella in this video huh?

https://youtu.be/YTx1Y48WCd4

India's numbers doubled due to another lunatic like this fella in the video.

The 'Tablighi Jamaat' could very well turn out to be India's second patient 31.

Look up this issue and the case of Baldev Singh - and learn of the likely disaster these MF'ers have caused - DELIBERATELY.

Men of God or Agent of Death????

Posted by: An Ordinary Indian | April 02, 2020 at 12:16 AM

Those are Agents of Death. Terrorists. Unfortunately there are plenty of extremists in the world.

But there are also many wonderful spiritual leaders and government leaders around the world. And just really kind and loving people in general that may not be religious or affiliated with any specific group.

And then there are lunatics. 😟

There’s good in the world. There’s bad in the world.

Whichever part you focus on the most is the part that will most strongly affect you.

This is completely random and you may not like this type of music but I was just listening to this song. It’s one of my favorite songs because it makes me feel like everything can be OK even when it’s upside down.
https://youtu.be/ECKs_u65ibs

[One Initiated]

NOTE: I've deleted parts of this comment because it had false ways of preventing the coronavirus. Please don't spread misinformation of this sort in comments. One way that doesn't work is gargling. See:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/health/coronavirus-cure-gargle-water.html
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Thanks Brian, as always, for keeping this blog up and running.

Thanks guys for posting the video links here.

Babaji is truly helping in every possible way.
HE has opened all the local centres as well to be operated as isolation camps.
I know for one near my place of residence - and all the volunteers are helping the local authorities in carrying out the activity at scale.
HE is also donating large sums of funds to deal with the disease
https://www.facebook.com/AAPkaArvind/posts/2765951200169026

to reiterate:
here is translation of what my Lord said in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5LqHOn6_w

"We are connected with the district administrators here,
for serving the food, for providing the space for Isolation Camps or just to admit people,
we have arranged all facilities within the centres for every person,
and going forward, whatever is there is for the people / sangat ... all the doors shall always remain open for every individual."
Love to all.
Wish you all a superb health.
Stay alert stay protected and ready yourself for the fight.

~OI

[s*]

https://youtu.be/1TkXWOPAjC0

I think this could be interesting!
It is about the corona virus.
A very different vieuw on it.

Etc...

[Rob]

The biggest cause of strife in the world - RELIGION.

[777]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDvootNWuLQ

7777

[s*]

Nicely song Sonia..
Love beautiful songs
Also shabds 💕

[Sonia]

The biggest cause of strife in the world - RELIGION.

Posted by: Rob | April 02, 2020 at 07:45 AM

Which causes more strife, money or religion? 🤔

Historically I think more wars have been started in the name of religion but the primary motivating factor was money or greed.

Spiritually vs Materialism. Humans start wars usually with some pretense of ideological superiority. But at the foundation of almost every war wants is greed, imo.

I’m not demonizing either spirituality or materialism, I just think the majority of strife, famine and disease in the world is ultimately the result of greed on some level. Syndicates sell exotic animals at wet markets the way cartels distribute drugs. Both of these things have resulted in epidemics and a global pandemics.

[Sonia]

This video was sent and recommended by one of our top local surgeons.

Watch “Covid_19_Protecting_Your_Family_Dr_Dave_Price_3_22_2020” on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/399733860?ref=em-share

The Doctor in the video works in NYC. It is a little slow moving at first but it tells you why you shouldn’t be afraid—shouldn’t live in fear, and what you can do to keep yourself safe.

This is the most sound and practical advice I’ve seen from a medical professional.

[s*]

Thank you Sonia!
Very good to see /hear this Dr Dave Price!

Very well explaned in a simple way..
<3

[Sonia]

I’m watching an ASPCA commercial while watching the latest corona virus news. Anyway, these commercials make me think we humans deserve a virus like this. 😖

[Sonia]

Sometimes I think I’m posting to open thread when I’m actually on some other thread....

Anyway. I made it through April 3rd 2020. Woohoo 🙌

Down hill from here. 😉

[Sonia]

After all of this C19 mess is over, I want to move to Paris and “retire”.

[anami]

"Pink Moon"
https://youtu.be/irq959oNVww

[Sonia]

"Pink Moon"
https://youtu.be/irq959oNVww

Posted by: anami | April 07, 2020 at 08:26 AM

OMG!!!!! So perfect!!

I saw the pink moon this evening. Doesn’t look pink on my iPhone, though. But so cool.

Have always loved Nick Drake. That album came out the year I was born. Such a talented artist... and like so many died too young. Overdosed on Elavil 🤢 (overdosing on an antidepressant would be about as much fun as getting electrocuted). People should really think before they do stuff like that. There are much easier ways to go. 😬 😐 But I’m not pro-suicide (for the record).

[Jesse]

"the flu has sickened 36 million Americans since September and killed an estimated 22,000, according to the CDC, but those deaths are largely unreported."

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate

Nobody lost their mind over those 22k dead. Why?

"An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017--2018-cdc-bn/index.html

Those 80,000 daed were in the winter of 2017/18. Nobody went insane and thought we should shut down the entire world. Why?

It's interesting that Sweden is doing fine while not doing much at all to impoverish and imprison its citizens in their own homes or sending them into hysterical fits of panic. It's especially strange since countries who are collectively going insane are doing worse in terms or rates of death and sickness.

It's almost like losing your mind over a pandemic that isn't happening isn't a good idea??? I'm glad I got over my fear of this thing fast. I feel really free right now.

But it likely won't last because the greatest economic depression of all time is probably coming due to this lockup. Thanks to all the religious belief in governments and faith in media conglomerate-provided "experts" for that. Cult thinking doesn't end when the cultish convert to pop-secularism or "science."

[Jane]

Jainism does not support belief in a creator deity. According to Jain doctrine, the universe and its constituents—soul, matter, space, time, and principles of motion—have always existed. All the constituents and actions are governed by universal natural laws. It is not possible to create matter out of nothing and hence the sum total of matter in the universe remains the same (similar to law of conservation of mass). Jain text claims that the universe consists of Jiva (life force or souls) and Ajiva (lifeless objects). Similarly, the soul of each living being is unique and uncreated and has existed since beginningless time.[38]

The Jain theory of causation holds that a cause and its effect are always identical in nature and hence a conscious and immaterial entity like God cannot create a material entity like the universe. Furthermore, according to the Jain concept of divinity, any soul who destroys its karmas and desires, achieves liberation/Nirvana. A soul who destroys all its passions and desires has no desire to interfere in the working of the universe. Moral rewards and sufferings are not the work of a divine being, but a result of an innate moral order in the cosmos; a self-regulating mechanism whereby the individual reaps the fruits of his own actions through the workings of the karmas.

Through the ages, Jain philosophers have adamantly rejected and opposed the concept of creator and omnipotent God. This has resulted in Jainism being labeled as nastika darsana (atheist philosophy) by rival religious philosophies. The theme of non-creationism and absence of omnipotent God and divine grace runs strongly in all the philosophical dimensions of Jainism, including its cosmology, concepts of karma and moksa and its moral code of conduct. Jainism asserts a religious and virtuous life is possible without the idea of a creator god.

[Trevor Smith]

the call for a vaccine rises and Bill Gates and his cronies profit.

Posted by: Rob | April 06, 2020 at 10:29 AM

An interesting interview. Worth watching.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=xf-qv9o8nq8&fbclid=IwAR3zbFBxRR5_63rBzAo499l2FFpaaKkIW7WD8f9Bx8Vj9LAPLnYlmEYrVxY

And one other related news

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/a-potential-coronavirus-vaccine-funded-by-bill-gates-is-set-to-begin-testing-in-people-with-the-first-patient-expected-to-get-it-today/ar-BB12e01f

[s*]

Trevor that is indeed very interesting..
Brrr I do'nt want vaccination..
Just live as healthy as possible.
Plantbased..
Live a clean healthy life as much as possible and that must do...

It's a strange world,always was..,always will be..
It is more relaxed in some places less polution less noice..
But also difficulties financial speaking for lots of people.
We as people are to much materialised so bad for nature..
Maybe there comes a change trough this ..
I regret the also Indian people who are in trouble.
Hope very much for the best..
Life is unbelievebel weird and stange...
Back to nature...<3..

[Sonia]

That’s the interesting thing about people who don’t want vaccinations. The corona virus has changed the game. I could understand the arguments against vaccinations before all this (not that I was personally opposed) just like I agree antibiotics have been way over prescribed and that has led to even more problems.

But in extreme situations they are necessary. If someone refuses to be vaccinated against this novel corona virus then die to the very nature of this new virus, that person has become a public health threat. They could easily infect hundreds and kill a certain percentage of those people simply because they chose not to be vaccinated.

The purposeful spread of the corona virus is now being treated like an act of terrorism in this country.

Theoretically, everyone who chooses not to be vaccinated will only be able to infect and potentially kill others who choose not to be vaccinated. But that’s not really fair because some people may not have access to a vaccine for this for one weird reason or another (like children of parents who don’t believe in vaccines).

This may sound harsh, but it’s something to really think about. These are different times. The playing field has changed and it is not morally responsible to willingly take the risk of potentially infecting, possibly killing other people.

How did we wipe out TB in the US? I appreciate all those who were vaccinated so that I didn’t have to worry about getting that dreadful disease.

[Jesse]

About ten days ago the news was that everyone in Washington was going to die because there simply weren't enough ventilators for the mile long lines of corona victims gasping for air and choking outside of hospitals.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/washington-may-get-only-a-fraction-of-the-ventilators-it-requested-from-the-federal-government-to-fight-the-coronavirus/

But just a few days later they not only don't need more ventilators to save the many trillions and gazillions of desperate and dying people, but they're actually sending the respirators away. They play some little tricks in the article about the ventilators being "generally" unsuitable for corona patients, but it's irrelevant because the main point they're making is that there are less conrona'd in hospitals overall in Washington, the place where the corona outbreak started in US and where the "experts" aka the mouths on the news reported would be the highest number of deaths. They themselves would have needed the extra ventilators for their other patients if things were so bad.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/washington-sending-over-400-ventilators-for-non-coronavirus-patients-to-new-york-harder-hit-states/

This whole thing is idiotic. It mentions the big hospital the military built, but does anyone know if it was ever used? China built hospitals too, but I think they soon figured out that this disease isn't the plague like we thought, and they shut the places down. Hate Trump all you want but he was right when he said Chinese are smart. Funny, too, that Trump is a blathering moron, but we're supposed to have religious faith in the words of people he hires? Why would I trust moron-appointed experts?

Anyone remember the headlines just a month ago saying 98 million dead this year from corona? That's the sort of "expert" opinion all these government policies were based on. One report from "experts" in UK said we'd be having 50,000 daily deaths in USA soon. So far we have about 13,000 in total and are basically on schedule to have a normal flu season, but with the added bonus of record breaking unemployment which could lead to record breaking violent social unrest.

The Cult of Experts is infinitely dumber than the Radha Soami cult.

[Jen]

The Cult of Experts is infinitely dumber than the Radha Soami cult.

Posted by: Jesse | April 08, 2020 at 08:20 AM

Wow is that a compliment? Your so smart Jesse. Why can’t we all be like you???

[Trevor Smith]

The Cult of Experts is infinitely dumber than the Radha Soami cult.

Posted by: Jesse | April 08, 2020 at 08:20 AM

Jesse for POTUS. He is the one sure shot to make America great again.

[Jesse]

" These are different times. The playing field has changed"

Yes, lower numbers of death mean we must accept more extreme government intervention and paranoia. That makes sense.

It's almost like America and the entire western world not only didn't learn anything from the nearly 20 years of lies starting with 9/11, or Vietnam or World War 2 for that matter, and instead decided to double down on blind belief and faith in the face of the ever increasing boldness of lies told by our governments.

There is atrocity propaganda coming out now in order to spin this manufactured paranoia to somehow harm China that says the Chinese are burning corona victims alive. Kind of reminiscent of another big myth that was used to get USA into a devastating war that killed nearly 100 million people, most of whom were forgotten because they were of the wrong religion.

[Sonia]

2 infectious disease experts explain how the coronavirus pandemic is different from a flu pandemic

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-is-the-coronavirus-pandemic-different-from-a-flu-pandemic-2020-4

Spanish flu pandemic vs Swine flu pandemic vs Covid19 pandemic
https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-pandemic-vs-swine-flu.html

[Sonia]

There is atrocity propaganda coming out now in order to spin this manufactured paranoia to somehow harm China that says the Chinese are burning corona victims alive. Kind of reminiscent of another big myth that was used to get USA into a devastating war that killed nearly 100 million people, most of whom were forgotten because they were of the wrong religion.

Posted by: Jesse | April 08, 2020 at 10:08 AM

Right. Because the Chinese are completely transparent and pro-democracy, pro-freedom of speech. I can see how we should believe everything they say.

[Rob]

@jesse,

Do you even know the difference between a known and unknown risk?

I bet you pass your days now in the midst of Covid19 patients without wearing a PPE.

Do share with us all a picture of you with such patients.

This will surely prove your point of this whole thing is a set of tricks being played by the Cult of Experts.

[anami]

Curveball. Most New York City cases trace to Europe...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-08/most-nyc-covid-19-cases-came-from-europe-genome-researchers-say

[Jeni]

[NOTE FROM BRIAN: This comment is not true. Jen, I checked the last hundred or so comments you've submitted. All have been published.]

Hi Jesse, just want to let you know that the following post using the name "Jen" is not me, the Jen who has been commenting on the Churchless site for over 10 years now. Will call myself Jeni from now on, whether that will make a difference with trolls, I don't know. Brian does not let some of my comments through but he does not seem to mind if a troll is using someone else's name.

"Wow is that a compliment? Your so smart Jesse. Why can’t we all be like you???
Posted by: Jen | April 08, 2020 at 09:23 AM"

[Jesse]

Here we go again, selective "expert" quoting to maintain the religious beliefs. "My expert whose been proven wrong 100 times said panic, and by golly I'm gonna listen!"

Whether or not Wuhan China Lung AIDS is similar to the flu or not means absolutely nothing. What is being pointed out is that the predictions of The Holy Experts have been wrong by orders of magnitude. It doesn't matter what you call the virus, or what risks they imagined it presented. It's that "experts" were WRONG. Wrong at literally every single turn about every single aspect of this disease.

You don't continue believing wrong predictions unless you're religious. Just as most of you wouldn't believe in the repeated failed prophecies of a doomsday preacher, you should similarly refrain from believing "experts" just because they have important sounding letters after their names and repeat that the true faith is science. The "experts" have been no more accurate than a Greek oracle, but far less interesting and lacking all fun, mysteriousness and aesthetics.

I don't deserve the pain everyone else's thoughtlessness is gonna bring on me, but it's unavoidable. Thanks, society. You suck.

At least we're almost guaranteed to see the end of this evil things called "democracy" soon.

"Right. Because the Chinese are completely transparent and pro-democracy, pro-freedom of speech. I can see how we should believe everything they say."

Good point, Sonia, but the report is from Radio Free Asia. Not the Chinese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia

"Radio Free Asia (RFA) is a United States government–funded, nonprofit international broadcasting corporation that broadcasts and publishes online news, information and commentary to readers and listeners in East Asia. "

tldr; RFA is an American propaganda station funded by our intelligence agencies.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-cremations-04062020143043.html

Everyone here is making fun of me, which is fine, but do tell, how much money have you lost investing in pyramid schemes and other sure shots as advised by "experts"? I'm an expert in a number of things myself. Let me know if you want my BTC wallet address. I'd love to expertly advise you for a small fee.

[Jesse]

Some sacrilege and blasphemy from an unholy expert who isn't featured on the news who politely calls bullshit on panic virus numbers. His false religion will not incite the shamanic ecstasy of adrenaline and fear that you desire-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6MZy-2fcBw

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

"In the past most of these claims where major epidemics that would be devastating, eventually the projections and the predictions that were made early on were not validated. So the early estimates suggested that this would have a tremendous amount of mortality and the cumulative number of deaths would be amazing. Eventually the number of deaths were far more modest than the original projections."

Sounds similar to something happening today.

"Dr John P.A. Ioannidis is a professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University."

This guy sounds boring. I want someone who makes me FEEL things and has really cool nipple piercings like Andrew Cuomo, governor and hype artist of NY.

[Sonia]

@Trevor

More specifically, what I meant was I can’t tell if you actually like Trump or not.

[Tim Rimmer]

Jane
Thanks for the perspective. Have not got much into Jainism. However I believe some of the best temples in India are Jain constructions. My wife and I were awed at the craft we witnessed at Ranukpur. And one of our coolest ever adventures involved a trip to a place called Srvanabelagola where you walk up this granite hill to see the statue of Gomateshvara a Jain deity - very memorable.

tucson if you are reading this -
Great surf vid. Waves of consequence - some of those guys got seriously pitched!
Nearest I ever got to Cloudbreak was a reef at a Resort on the main island and it was 4 foot not 20+
Still riding?

Best wishes to all

[Sonia]

@Jesse,

OK, now that everyone’s jumping on you (and I usually like to support the underdog) I’m going to have two thoroughly read those links you sent and give an unusually thoughtful response.

However, I accidentally double dosed a med that I’ve been taking for 27 years. 1 dose is perfect. 2 doses electrifies your brain for almost 24 hours. Today was the worst day I’ve had all year mood wise.

But enough about me (my favorite subject 😂), I’ll get to you tomorrow. I’m really gonna have to dig to the bottom of this RFA propaganda thing.

[Jesse]

Jeni, I wouldn't mind even if you did taunt me. I probably deserve it since, as anyone can see, my online demeanor isn't always exactly friendly.

But I do feel that it's necessary that we all take a step back and really assess this pandemic and question instead of have faith in popular experts. I'm hoping that being rude snaps people out of their faith based approach to analysis.

Hopefully you get to keep your original name. Jeni isn't quite the same.

[Jim Sutherland]

Hello Coronavirus Lock Down Prisoners,.....
It’s been so long since I stirred the Pot here, that I imagine you all forgot me, and imagine the CV got me? Well, I’m OK, locked in,...but still sneak out to ride my Harley in the Mountains, when it’s warm and sunny.

Some time ago, in fact, many times, I posted Links to Allan Chronshaw's Web Sites and forums, and challenged any Articulate Debaters like Osho, Manjit, David Lane, or evening Brian Hines to go there and stir Mr. Chronshaw's Pot. If any of you rode to the challenge, I never saw any one even show up there, because I have been the only Pot stirring Sant Mat Preacher that had ever survived the constant, dsily attacks, just about every time I stir there.

Well, I was in for a pleasant surprise when I finally woke up one day, to find a Post in Allan’s forum where I had been constantly being assaulted. This Poster must have seen my challenge some where in the past, and during the Lock Down, decided to check Allan Chronshaw out, and ask him a few questions. I was just getting to know him a little, and trying to help him out, when he unsubscribed from the forum once he started being attacked for trying to help me. Then, I just ran across his blog where he wrote about his Adventure. Here is the Link! He was braver than any one here to take the Challenge. I think only Jessie could survive in that hostile environment. Here is the Link

http://highwaytimes.com/my-encounter-with-the-brother-of-jesus/

Cheers, Jim Sutherland

[Bollywood viral]

https://youtu.be/Zf-iV2wPYNs

[Jesse]

"With regard to your quoting the scriptures to me, I just love it when you quote the words that my own Soul’s personality originally wrote."

Schizo.

"Shalom Lying Pankaj:"

Great stuff, Jim. That Pankaj dude was sort of asking for it, though the reincarnation of an apostle, were he real, should have been spiritually developed enough to maintain a cool demeanor when assaulted with annoying Radha Soami tripe.

I was hoping to see more Origen quotes since I'd been reading one of his letters a few days ago, but the convo went downhill fast and the references were all replaced with rage reactions.

Also, I had no idea who "whole" meant in the original Greek. It seems there are many Bible words that have been very poorly translated. I asked a local priest what he thought about the best interpretation of "daily" bread is, and he had no idea that it was an "hapax legomenon", or a word that doesn't exist elsewhere. Now that I had to look that word up, I learned that there are 686 of them in the New Testament, which makes me wonder if anyone knows what any of that book means.

Jim, you gotta stay in that forum and argue more with those guys. It's good for your soul. Way better than meditation.

[Karim W. Rahmaan]

My sister posted this vid on Facebook. Not sure it will pass Brian's foul language rules, but I couldn't resist trying to share it here in an Open Thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGOZ9eN_rpA

[Jim Sutherland]

@Jessie,........Why don’t you come over there and help me a little to stir that Shalom Ebionite Pot, Jessie? It’s a perfect Pot fir you to join e your skills, because unlike here, you will get PLENTY friendly Shaloms,.....until you ask Allan a loaded question,...then his hypnotized Choir will trot out to crucify you. Allan has about 6-8 Core Disciples, that he has Hypnotically regressed in to Past Life Regression. One of them is even a practicing Medical Doctor in a Hospital! Allan claims his soul lived as the Brother of zjesus, I.e., Janes, and he waked and talked with Jesus, 2000 years ago. But he, James, authored, and wrote the original New Testement, which was Matthew, and was written in zhe rew letters. He says Constantine in the 4th venture, revised all of the New Testament, and the Apostle Paul, was The span of the devil used to corrupt the original Ebionite Bible Allen ss James authored with The help of his brother, Jesus. The Regressed Doctor says he was there and that Allan is superior to Jesus now ,because he is revising the present New Testament back in to what it was before the Romans changed it. Allan says his soul also lived as Thomas Paine, as well as some other well known characters. . One of his Core followers , Emmanuel, , claims he was Origen, and another claims he was George aWashington, and another, claims he was Thomas Jefferson. Then, they all claim to have helped Allan author and implement the Constitution of the summer.S. Along with Donald Trump who has reincarnated again to protect the Constitution. You can’t just make this stuff up!! It’s not a Game. They really believe it, and they say I have been following a Allan in those past lives to keep oppressing him, as the Romans did Jesus! It was in that Group where I met Richard Ruquest, Ph.D. , the Physicist, and we Tag Teamed Allan together in 2014, until I introduced a Richard to Sant Mat and he was initiated by Ishwar Puri in 2015. I know that Hypnotists have key Control words to snap those they have once hypnotized back in to Control, and instead of snapping his fingers, Allan says,....SHALOM,.....and ell of his Core Members he onve regressed, snap back in to formation and circle around him to praise and protect him. Allan might sound like a Joke, but when you look at all of his writings, there is enough there to keep Sant Mat Initiates busy enough to read during their entire 4 lives!
Jessie, come have dome fun. You will get much stimulation there. The was to get in, you must send an email to the email address in the Link in the Article. Say you have been reading Allan’s Web sites, and would like to become a a member of his forum to sdk him a few questions to help you understand the Bible better. Be polite!! Once they accept you, don’t cone right out of the Gate swinging, becauseyou will be on moderation for seversl posts until they trust you enough to let you post fter,y. You can ask Allan any herd question, and he will dump an 18 Wheeler load of Links he had written yo ander all of your questions. They won’t kick you off the forum as long as you don’t cuss, or use fowl language. But Allan will never dodge any questions, but he will rage like a Bull, and try to give you his horns when you don’t accept his answers as Truth!! All fun, but keeping his Ankle biting followers off of you will take patience, and you better enter Allan’s forum wearing high leather Snake Boots, bedside you eill be ankle bitten every tine you post. Do you dare accept my challenge to hone your debating skills? I think they put me back under moderation when I tried to support the poor Dude in the forum, but they will miss me and will bait me to.come back when the forum gets boring again and hies silent. Come on over and join the,...........Zoo, Bring Osho with you. He’s used to getting sucker punched by Security Guards. The quickest way you can get in, is tell them that you are anEx Sant Mat believer, and need help getting back to the Bible! Allan will love on you immediately, and tell you all about how,SamtmMat meditation is like,Head Sex masturbation, then you can go Kumbya with him. . HaHa
Cheers,
Jim Sutherland

[Jesse]

Only because of my deep respect for you, Manjit, i decided to read the long article you linked. I don't think it's 20 pages, but it's really good.

But how can you read both of those articles and find them to both be quality? The one from NYT is thoughtless quotes from experts such as SNOPES (lol) all arranged in a way to not so subtly implore the public into believing without questioning, and the other is basically the exact opposite. Philosophical, unbelieving, without agenda.

The entire time he asks questions and asks that we don't believe anything and even entertains to some degree the same so-called conspiracies that NYT would diagnose you as mentally disabled for failing to disregard fast enough.

To think both of those pieces of writing were worth reading is similar to thinking incense and feces both smell good. I truly do not get it, but thanks for posting the Eisenstein one. I'm sending to one of my fellow disbeliever friends.

[💥]

@JIM

Don't forget U Sir, neither your music

I m not a Jew but born catholic. - I enjoyed so much
Rabbi Friedman
They don't know about the mind apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzFUXKk2B4I

[Jesse]

Does anyone want to bet that if/when the real pain from the economic fallout begins, Donald Trump will be blamed for it, even though the entire thing was forced on him by a paranoia he tried to ignore?

The anti-Trump cult must blame him for everything because its a core tenet of their religion.

[💥]

MODI - GURINDER but much longer

Can. anybody translate Pls. ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY6nqOew_yo
💥

[💥💥]

It would be nice if all persons
treated in a Radha Soami Premises
would regain health in an hour

Radha Soami
💥💥

[Jen from Austin Texas]

The long version of modi and Babaji is just the same thing on 5 time repeat. 😊

[Anonymous]

https://youtu.be/iqETBlxqBf4

How Seva is done at the Dera under the guidance of the master.

[A Wise 🦉]

MODI - GURINDER but much longer

Can. anybody translate Pls. ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY6nqOew_yo
💥

Posted by: 💥 | April 10, 2020 at 08:18 AM

@777,

Here is an older Post which should help.

------------------------------x-----------------------------------------x

Better vid of Gurinder, April 1st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5LqHOn6_w

If any of our friends from India can translate, much appreciated.

Posted by: j | April 01, 2020 at 12:01 PM

So earlier this week the PM reached out to a few prominent and well regarded Religious Heads which also included Babaji.

In the video, the reporter mentions that Babaji has assured the PM that he Is available for any kind of service and that the doors of RSSB are open for the needy and that they are in constant touch with the administration to coordinate all relief measures so that the suffering of the impacted people can be alleviated.

He can be heard saying to the PM "We are in touch with all the district administrators here on distributing food, isolation wards or providing shelter to people and that all these facilities have been readied and going forward too, all resources is for the sangat and our doors will always remain open for the sangat."

I understand instructions that he has left with the Sevadars is that nobody is to go hungry. So centres will scale up to whatever is asked of them. Delhi for instance was serving 28k meals twice a day, a few days ago but already with a capacity of over 50+ meals twice.

What I am aware is these services are already being availed by the administration in the states of Punjab, Haryana, Jammu and Kashmir, Uttar Pradesh and Delhi. It could be at more places too. But not to my knowledge.

Posted by: A Wise 🦉 | April 01, 2020 at 08:58 PM

[🌜🌞💥🌞🌜]

But according to my mother-in-law, Charan was asked what happened to Queen Victoria when she died and he replied that she became a tree. 🤣 I
by Sonia Taylor

Good karma is that for a non initiate ( as opposed to Judas ) , . . .
I guess because Victoria had paid the salaries of several
Grand SatGurus
It could have been worse , . . later perhaps after the Delhi_piss-tree : like being a comet without a tail, each cycle closer to the fire, . . . Brrrrrrrr. !

7

[Sonia Taylor]

https://youtu.be/iqETBlxqBf4

How Seva is done at the Dera under the guidance of the master.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2020 at 09:51 AM

That’s really and truly beautiful. And I hate to be nit picky at a time like this, but everyone needs to make sure their face masks are also covering their noses. Otherwise AMAZING 🙌

[Jesse]

"How Seva is done at the Dera under the guidance of the master."

More like the guidance of everyone else but "master."

"Master" wasn't even there, and is probably instead hanging out with his high class friends looking for business opportunities and properties to buy from those who are now impoverished.

Didn't someone just recently say that RSSB didn't advertise its charity? I guess we can now call that person a liar without guilt.

[7]

https://youtu.be/tgffDVO2UyA

Wow - I love it

7

[Sonia Taylor]

Beware of religious organizations that require implicit trust without question.

https://youtu.be/Af2ygn68Pi4

[Karim W. Rahmaan]

Didn't someone just recently say that RSSB didn't advertise its charity? I guess we can now call that person a liar without guilt.

Posted by: Jesse | April 10, 2020 at 01:30 PM

@Jesse,

The funny thing is that much of what the RSSB Spiritual Teachers teach isn't totally understand. Even by us newer initiates.

Like how the promotion of competition on who can love the world better like Jesus did, or in other words who can be the best superhero like Superman.

This type of competition is never frowned on by True Spiritual Teachers. So like, media dig in if you're fast enough!

[Sonia]

Beware of religious organizations that require implicit trust without question.

https://youtu.be/Af2ygn68Pi4

Posted by: Sonia Taylor | April 10, 2020 at 05:21 PM

Just wanted to add to this—the above link is what a real cult looks like.

Half of GSD’s trips are spent giving Q&A so I don’t think it qualifies as a cult.

[Jesse]

"I thought we’d be more focused on discussing the science behind this disease and the search for a cure or vaccine."

I'd prefer to not pretend to be scientists, and instead have a discussion about why a global pandemic touted as world changing , with predictions of 98 million dead, killed less people than the flu did 2 years ago, and almost all of who died were elderly and had preexisting conditions.

Many of those reported as dying from corona didn't even die of flu or coronavirus such as that police lieutenant in Wisconsin whose daughter said "My papa never died of this virus! And the media and lying ass government is fraud! He had health issues way before this even happened!"

It's a purely political and social event. If there's any science to discuss, it's the science of mass hysteria.

[Rob]

"Master" wasn't even there, and is probably instead hanging out with his high class friends looking for business opportunities and properties to buy from those who are now impoverished.

Posted by: Jesse | April 10, 2020 at 01:30 PM

What the fuck do you know about the happenings at Dera and the whereabouts of their Master these days??

Stop these moronic comments of yours. Try harder from now on.

[Rob]

Didn't someone just recently say that RSSB didn't advertise its charity? I guess we can now call that person a liar without guilt.

Posted by: Jesse | April 10, 2020 at 01:30 PM

Long way to go for an understanding of the difference between information and advertising to dawn.

For some even a lifetime might not be enough.

[Jesse]

"What the fuck do you know about the happenings at Dera and the whereabouts of their Master these days??"

I know everything. I'm the true inner master.

[Sonia]

I love the randomness of Open Threads.

Here’s another fun, cool site you should check out. It gives a more objective perspective on how each country is doing as part of a global community.

http://www.goodcountry.org/

[anami]

"...that police lieutenant in Wisconsin whose daughter said 'My papa never died of this virus! And the media and lying ass government is fraud! He had health issues way before this even happened!'"

Dear Jesse,

The quote sounded dubious to me, so I looked it up and found something similar, but I think your source put words in the daughter's mouth and mixed up two different people, probably on purpose, because who wouldn't believe a police lieutenant's daughter?

https://www.wisn.com/article/coronavirus-wisconsin-victims-what-we-know/31880850

The article is about coronavirus deaths in Wisconsin, and lists some 25 people. Second on the list is Robert Blackbird. He had a daughter who "said her father never exhibited any coronavirus symptoms before he died," but her words stopped there. She didn't editorialize about the media and government, nor, looking at her other quotes, did she seem the type to use harsh language. Fourth on the list is Lenard Wells, who "retired in 2001 after 28 years with the Milwaukee Police Department as a lieutenant." He was the police lieutenant, not the guy with the daughter.

Granted, Robert Blackbird was 91 and could've died of anything at that point, but why twist it all up, except to make trouble and weaken what's left of rationality?

Personally, I would've kept going to work on the assumption I'd get sick sooner or later, recover and move on, but the business is non-essential and was ordered not to operate. In hindsight it was probably for the best, because I've never had contemporaries die of the flu. C19 is different. My wife and I know of mild cases and moderate cases, but we also know of cases that required hospitalization, and we know of four mortalities. Between us, three friends of friends have died and the colleague of a colleague's husband.

You could say that it's an effect of greater awareness because of "mass hysteria," but we're only in our 50's, and death by any cause in our age group has always been unusual enough to reach our ears. AIDS, suicide, cancer, brain aneurism, alcoholism, heart attack? Yes. But for four people to up and die with a respiratory bug in the same two months? No.

Well, maybe we're talking about two different stories. Can you link us to your source?

[Karim W. Rahmaan]

"I posted Links to Allan Chronshaw's Web Sites and forums, and challenged any Articulate Debaters like Osho, Manjit, David Lane, or evening Brian Hines to go there and stir Mr. Chronshaw's Pot."

Posted by: Jim Sutherland | April 08, 2020 at 07:01 PM

Visited that pastor's website. Beyond what you were correct on about his claims of having previous lives, one of his blogs I randomly clicked made a bit of sense:

"Like all religions, Islam became corrupted as soon as it was placed in the hands of the counterfeit religious leaders who came after Mohammad."
http://brotherofyeshua.blogspot.com/2007/05/another-spiritually-disenfranchised.html

Not sure how spiritually advanced the man may be, I can't argue when he states on his About page that:

(In his)

The Ten Key Points
Of The Original Teachings Of TheWay

"By emerging out of the "outer darkness" (see ...) -- and thereby coming to Know One's True Self (see ...), this will then enable us to Know God -- not through dogma, faith or belief, but through the same Oneness as our brother Jesus." (quote links omitted)
http://cronshaw.nazirene.org

[Jim Sutherland]

Hi All,.......especially Jessie:
Here is a Link to another controversial Sant Mat discussion. The Author invites comments. About 20 years ago, I use to communicate privately with the late Michael Martin, who most Satsangis I knew dispised, and in turn, hated me also, because I would support Martin in David Lane’s RSS forum, when he kept getting attacked. But in one of our private conversations. Michael told me that he had met Jesus inside, and he described him to me. I since have lost his email, as that old computer crashed and I lost off of the contents. But the Jesus Michael described to me privately , was very much similar to the Jesus that Julian Johnson wrote about here.
http://highwaytimes.com/julian-johnsons-communication-with-jesus-and-his-getting-ready-for-work-in-america/

[Jesse]

"The quote sounded dubious to me"

It was from the daughter of was Lenard Wells from the page you linked.

The quote is from her Instagram page that she just set to private. The account name is kiaaa.a

And seeing that sites like YouTube are taking down videos and deleting accounts for the crime of showing footage from hospitals that aren't busy, I'm not surprised that family members quotes aren't being included in articles.

You and your wife personally are having an experience that sucks and I can sympathize with you, but it doesn't explain much because more people had the same experience as you 2 years ago when many more people died from the flu.

[Jesse]

Jim, I remember most of that letter from when I read it years ago. Do you believe in those stories? It seems like the description of Jesus by Julian is sort of what one would expect from that era. It's like the Theosopohical, New Age or one of the schools of ascended master kind of theories.

[🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈]

Andrea Bocelli will be streaming a live concert today, Easter Sunday. Starts in a couple of hours.

He will sing at the Duomo cathedral in Milan without an audience.

Entitled ‘Music for Hope’, the concert will be live on Andrea Bocelli's Youtube channel - Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huTUOek4LgU

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[Jim Sutherland]

@Karim,......Thant’s for checking out Allan. He would be insulted if you entered his forum and accused him of being a Pastor, Preacher, Teacher or Master. He says he is only a Guide, and doesn’t want any followers. Do you believe he is the Brother of Jesus reincarnated? You should join his forum and ask him to show you how he enters The Kingdom within, as His Brother Jesus must have taught him. Also, why don’t you subscribe to the comments on the Brother of Jesus Link I posted, as one of Allan’s members is there telling the author how ignorant Indians are, and why Sant Mat is Eastern milk as compared to Allan’s Western teachings. You can comment, then click subscribe to comments and emails, and you’ll be in the loop. No doubt, the Indian Author of the Article about his short experiences in Allan’s forum would be interesting to most of the readers here who subscribe and share comments.
Cheers,
Jim Sutherland

[Jim Sutherland]

@Jessie,.....I have never seen Jesus, so can’t corroborate his physical appearance. But I HAVE seen Charan Singh, inside, who looked exactly as he did in his later years, and spoke to me, with his recognizable accent, and gave me personal advice, and touched me on my shoulder. So, I can’t discount what JJ saw, but do know what I saw.
Cheers,
Jim Sutherland

[Sonia]

Andrea Bocelli will be streaming a live concert today, Easter Sunday. Starts in a couple of hours.

He will sing at the Duomo cathedral in Milan without an audience.

Entitled ‘Music for Hope’, the concert will be live on Andrea Bocelli's Youtube channel - Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huTUOek4LgU

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Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | April 12, 2020 at 08:19 AM

Beautiful! Thanks for sharing!

I’m not big on holidays especially when things feel forced and people start complaining about all the work they have to do to get ready for the holiday (what’s the point?) but I don’t mind Easter. And probably only because it is when Spring comes alive in this part of the world.

One thing I’ve never understood is how everything stays green and the bougainvilleas are always in bloom at the Dera year round despite the weather. It’s lovely (and curious).