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43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not:

Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 12, 2020 at 03:37 PM

Another piece of arrogant bullshit. How humble of that fraudster to say I come in my Father's name.

I presume by his Father, he refers to God (he was born of a virgin right). So in order words he states he is God's representative on this planet. Amazing.

I'd rather have individuals with man given titles, positions, wearing turbans, robes, etc than someone who makes such a humble claim about himself.

Hi Trevor
The only reason for bringing up Jesus is because Um referred to John 5.

No statement about Jesus, simply trying to clarify what is written in that text.

As for your comments on the astrophysics article, I cited it to clarify that the article claimed problem solved and referred to the two primary forms of measurement.

Hi Tenor
You wrote
"I'd rather have individuals with man given titles, positions, wearing turbans, robes, etc than someone who makes such a humble claim about himself."
I don't think you understand. Jesus isn't using his claim as evidence. He discusses the appropriate sources of evidence.

He gives three sources. First, scripture, second John the Baptist, and third, the evidence he sites as the greatest, his works, and exposure to the word.

Those are sources anyone can check for themselves.

Titles, on the other hand, are worthless. They are only evidence of arrogance.

@ Trevor

Have mercy on those who have inner experiences, even if they claim to come in the Lords name.

Maybe you know someone that hears voices or a psychiatrist that deals with these disorders, or had a NDE or just an artificial drug based experience …. talking to them makes it clear that it is almost impossible to distance oneself from the impact and hold the "inner speaker" as a "real" person.

@ Another piece of arrogant bullshit. How humble of that fraudster to say
@ I come in my Father's name.

That's the same presumptive arrogance. If God dwells in
all and isn't just some notional dude up in the sky, every
religious figure "comes in my Father's name".

That's the same presumptive arrogance. If God dwells in
all and isn't just some notional dude up in the sky, every
religious figure "comes in my Father's name".

Posted by: Dungeness | March 13, 2020 at 08:20 AM

Why just only religious figures then? Why not you or anyone else too. Maybe you should start proclaiming this in your city to begin with.

Additionally since you seem to be associated with santmat, any instances of religious persons (santmat is by bunch of true saints ya incld RSSB) associated therewith making such audacious claims about themselves? My understanding, a key feature about true saints is they never claim or even remotely suggest that they 'come in the Father's name'

@ Trevor

Have mercy on those who have inner experiences, even if they claim to come in the Lords name.

Posted by: Um | March 13, 2020 at 08:17 AM

I think you misread. As far as I am concerned it's only about calling out the stupidity being propagated about who a true saint is; especially if this comes from people who themselves aren't qualified to make any such assessment.

@ Spence

He says that those three sources will not do .., his whole discussion turns around it.
One needs, as is usual in courts 2 witnesses.

He makes it clear that there are only two witnesses that could testimony in his favor, being John the Baptist, his teacher and God, the inner witness … both are not available to the one that seks truth.

What remains is HIS WORD that he had a mission and the needs of the people, be it worldly in terms of getting cured from their disease and others, that seek continuation of their life after death.

Time and again we return to the simple facts that [1] there are people having inner experiences [2] based on that experience some feel forced to openly present themselves as "saviors" [3] there are never people with inner experiences or otherwise that confirm these experiences and the so called commands given in these experiences … as is in the case with all prophets … the most striking example is that of the lord giving land to the hebrews in an experience that abram had, without giving the rest to know that he did do so.

That is in an other way what Faqir chand made us to understand, when he found out that he appeared to help fellow soldiers to help them, and he being unaware of that appearance.
He doesn't dene these appearances, nor the content … he only states that the conclusion that people draw ipon these experiences is wrong.

Personally I am of the opinion that all these people having inner experiences have something in common, being in the brain or their mental make up, that makes them more prone to these experiences than others and that thhis talent so to say os spread in the population according a gauss curve and people having them are to be found at one of the extreme ends of that curve …. probably related to the capacity to lose oneself in play as a child, or in movies or books when older.

He gives three sources. First, scripture, second John the Baptist, and third, the evidence he sites as the greatest, his works, and exposure to the word.

Those are sources anyone can check for themselves.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 13, 2020 at 07:19 AM

Sure I don't understand. I am just being real that I (just like most) am utterly incapable of deciphering between a complete and an incomplete master. Unlike you.

Three sources you mention which anyone can check....btw how does one check? Prove to me John And Jesus experienced the Word. Btw my 14 year kid too can sermonize about the word at length.

Jesus Christ vs Gurmeet Ram Rahim

Even Gurmeet Ram Rahim cited similar sources i.e. scriptures, his master (John equivalent) and his exposure to word.

Ram Rahim -----> Modern day Jesus Christ and indeed a True Saint.

Thankfully - 1)he spends a life sentence behind bars and 2) the RSSB Masters do not publicly proclaim having any experience of the Word.

1) The only reason for bringing up Jesus is because Um referred to John 5.

2) As for your comments on the astrophysics article, I cited it to clarify that the article claimed problem solved and referred to the two primary forms of measurement.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 13, 2020 at 07:13 AM

1) this isn't lost on me and precisely the reason I thanked you for exposing JC though that wasn't your intention.

2) the article was titled mystery solved. The hypothesis presented by the professor doesn't suggest it. Then while referencing the article you added your own titbits which probably you have no basis to substantiate. To make it easy for you - all this article says is that if a few 'IF's' hold (as per the hypothesis) and one of the IF's has a one in four chance, the Hubble constant computed would be consistent with the value for the Hubble constant by the Planck and cosmic background data and not with that obtained by local method. Now the difference between the two isn't by chance or error (as both have been have now been independently corroborated by other groups) and is being attributed to a missing factor in scientists understanding of the universe. The Hubble constant has this become the focus of a hotly contested battle to discover the nature of this invisible influence.

Jesus says he does not accept glory from human beings.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 12, 2020 at 05:41 PM

Thanks for bringing to light the biggest fraudster in human history - Jesus Christ.

Read again proclaimers of true saints and those very same who place that Jesus Christ as one.

Jesus does not accept glory from humans!!!! Wow.

Who the f*$# did he think he was when he uttered this demeaning/arrogant statement? And I thought True Saints are humility personified and never ever even acknowledge that they are true saints. And here he distinguishes himself as being not a human.

Amazing hypocrisy!!!!!!!

One alleged true saint gone down the drain. Anymore @ Spence ??

Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 13, 2020 at 12:03 AM

🤔

The part in the Bible where Jesus says “no one can go to the father except by me”.

That raises some questions. I mean, think about it... is that arrogant? Is he saying there’s no other way? Is he demanding a certain kind of “worship”? And all Christians end their prayers with, “In Jesus name, Amen”. Because Jesus said (according to the Bible) that his followers should ask all things in his name.

But I really don’t know what “historical accounts” of the entire Bible are actually true. Not terribly accurate on most accounts.

YouTube video citing CDC gives preventative ways to keep from catching Coronavirus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT7ghcGy6r0

So, objectively, do we really know for certain this Jesus dude existed and lived in the way the Bible says? I mean, they didn’t have have many reputable media outlets back then (lot of fake news). And just imagine if the current day media covered some of the stuff he is he reported to have done. I’d love to see the public reaction to some self proclaimed god man intimately hanging out with prostitutes. Amongst others sensational headlines that one could draw from numerous biblical accounts. You should ask Bill Maher what he thinks about that. 😂

Hi Trevor:
"Three sources you mention which anyone can check....btw how does one check? Prove to me John And Jesus experienced the Word. Btw my 14 year kid too can sermonize about the word at length.

Trevor, clearly you are looking to pick things apart and missing the point altogether. Everything I've written is about finding a True Saint..they are in all parts of the world. How to do it? I'd mentioned earlier that your experience of the Holy Word, Shabd, in their presence, and your own inner experience of movement will be your best evidence.

I only point out that Christ echoes this sentiment, but not to say scripture is any evidence of anything. It may be a rough guideline, but only if you interpret it in a useful, personal way.

I happen to agree with Jesus on this point, that the only evidence that matters is the Father's own testimony, ie; your experience of His (that is God's) works in you.

Step back away from personalizing this for a moment. Because the issue isn't what you are defending, whatever that is, or what you are attacking, which also, I can't really pinpoint.

The real issue is finding connection with souls around you who are fully connected to that divine principle. Souls who can come and go into this world, or into those higher regions, transported there in the Holy Spirit / Shabd, Nam, Word...the audible life stream. And not only those True Saints, but their friends. Those friends can tell you all about them.

They exist. They have existed long before Sant Mat or RSSB ever was even a thought in anyone's mind.

This is just by way of explaining what is actually part of nature, part of the population.

Um calls it the Gauss curve, but it's really the normal population distribution. Within this population are those who are born with this experience. A good teacher helps them develop it.

But the path isn't the result of work. It already is built into the human frame. Some are more connected, part of their normal sensory and proprioceptive experience.

But as it happens the True Saints, the ones who can help develop that latent capacity, do have certain characteristics. Remarkably similar in their harmlessness, gentleness, patience, kindness, lack of interest in authority, or in any formal organized religion. They shun anything that separates them from you and I, hence no titles, no position of "Teacher", "Guru"...These are all barriers to intimacy for them.

Therefore searching for a title, a lineage, or an organization as your "teacher" is not going to lead you to that relationship, which is always 1:1, where you will find real and sustained friendship and progress.

But there are many Gurus with titles, many stage actors who try to copy those qualities. Inevitably, they can't. They fail under any reasonable scrutiny. We love them for their service. They speak to holy scriptures and ancient truths. But they do it from their Harley Davidson, from their Jet, from their Porsche, from their divided efforts to expand their holdings and profits.

They are a mirror, not the sun. They are the lake reflecting, not the sky.

@spence

Is GSD a true saint?

Were Charan, Jagat, Sawan and Jaimal true saints?

Simply answer in Yes or No. Long posts are a complete put off.

@ Why just only religious figures then? Why not you or anyone else too. Maybe you
@ should start proclaiming this in your city to begin with.

Why not... it's true :) Most however don't want to risk being
carted off to the nut house or in harsher times being nailed
to the stake. We'd rather listen to the outrageous drivel of
televangelists or worship idols or go numb at the pub.

@ Additionally since you seem to be associated with santmat, any instances of
@ religious persons (santmat is by bunch of true saints ya incld RSSB) associated
@ therewith making such audacious claims about themselves? My understanding,
@ a key feature about true saints is they never claim or even remotely suggest that
@ they 'come in the Father's name'

The language has changed but the mystics (not just RSSB ilk)
say the same thing today: God is within you. Following a path
of love and mindfulness, you'll regain that awareness of what's
inside you, of who you really are. Stage actor or others are all
on the right path if they point inward and say the truth is there.
Don't believe any b.s. I say. Follow the path. Prove it for yourself.
Reclaim the God that's within.

Trevor

You wrote
"Is GSD a true saint?

" Were Charan, Jagat, Sawan and Jaimal true saints?

"Simply answer in Yes or No. Long posts are a complete put off."

No. They are stage actors.
And I only know this because I've met true Saints. You can't compare the two. They are worlds apart.

YouTube video citing CDC gives preventative ways to keep from catching Coronavirus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT7ghcGy6r0

Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | March 13, 2020 at 11:42 AM

Hi Karim,

Thanks for sharing this. It prompted me to reach out to my cousin who is a well respected epidemiologist. I haven’t spoken to her since we both lived in Atlanta and she was attending Emory.

There is so much that cannot be reported in the media for national security reasons. There is much behind the scenes being done about the nature of this “attack”. There is a strong effort to reduce the amount of public panic as possible. It is very challenging when you are trying to help the masses but cannot share certain things (or people would freak out). There is also the issue of ensuring that our medical centers are not all flooded at once. It has to be handled in stages. There is the even bigger task of having pharmaceutical companies ramp up the production and distribution of certain treatments. We just simply do not have sufficient quantities of specific medicines on hand and it will take time for the pharmaceutical companies to produce them. In the meantime all we can do at best is to follow the guidelines established in the video you sent.

But there are many changes to come. It just has to be handled in stages.

But Spence …

is that not what you have done here …. comparing things that are so apart that they cannot be compared?

@Karim

And I’m not talking about time it will take pharma companies to ramp up production for the US alone. I don’t even know if it’s possible to develop enough of these medicines for the global population.

S not difficult at all. Atleast I can speak for myself. With the king of kings by your side what’s the difficulty?

Sonia what bad news??

Posted by: Jen from Austin Texas | March 13, 2020 at 04:41 PM

I said losing yourself is probably the most difficult thing to do.

OK, so it's not difficult for you, but we're all very different.

Growing up I always felt very comforted by the idea of "Heaven". But recently I realized that my idea of heaven was more of a causal realm heaven and that when I would think of that place I felt peace and love. And when I would think of leaving that place (even if it was to experience something better) I felt anxious like I wanted to throw up. So, basically, "losing myself" is terrifying. I don't even begin to know how to be comfortable with that. Anything that goes beyond the imagination scares the crap out of me.

Just being honest.

It's funny, at one time I accused GSD of being Kal. Which I don't believe to be true. But ironically, I would be much more comfortable in a heaven that "Kal" designed than to completely lose myself. I'm not trying to be difficult and I know my thinking isn't quite right, I'm just saying that's how I "feel" and it's hard to get past that when you're ME. :)

No. They are stage actors.
And I only know this because I've met true Saints. You can't compare the two. They are worlds apart.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 13, 2020 at 02:04 PM

And the 'true saints' you have met..... Do they have names? I am a true seeker looking for true saints only.

Dear Spence,

Six months ago you wrote that Charan Singh carried you through Maha Sunn...
https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2019/08/if-god-is-beyond-thought-and-language-then-shut-up-if-youre-religious.html?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4cdb9c1200b#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4cdb9c1200b

...and anchored you beyond light, sound and space...
https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2019/08/if-god-is-beyond-thought-and-language-then-shut-up-if-youre-religious.html?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a480206d200c#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a480206d200c

Isn't that the definition of a Saint? How do you turn around now and call him a stage actor?

"But on the way between the third and fourth stages falls the Maha Sunn (the Great Void), the land of Primordial Gloom. This is a region of utter darkness. Even though the soul has a refulgence of twelve suns, yet it is unable to penetrate this darkness by itself...Only a Sant Satguru, a Master having access to the highest regions, can take it through that darkness." (Sardar Bahadur Jagat Singh, Science of the Soul, p. 22)

Hi Um
You ask
"But Spence …

" is that not what you have done here …. comparing things that are so apart that they cannot be compared?"

It's not a matter of what I'm doing. On the basis of your own argument, how can you know?

Some people will resonate to what I wrote. Something in it will ring true for them. Some memory, some experience they may not have understood at the time will come forth. The note they hear will be the same, incomparable note they once heard in the presence of a good and kind person. They know at some level, they've met such a person before.

For the rest, it is incomprehensible. They have nothing to compare with these words, no familiarity with anyone who fits these descriptions of the True Saints. For these without experience, without gnosis, there is no basis for them to compare with except the stage actor. That is the only standard they know. This is why there are stage actors. The stage actors serve a purpose.

But they are not true Saints.

But there are true Saints. And they do not sit up on a stage. They do not preach to crowds.

They have no titles, no formula, no formal teachings, no initiation, no organization, no formal authority. They worship God day and night within. Their whole life revolves around that.

You will get more from their company than any stage actor.

No. They are stage actors.
And I only know this because I've met true Saints. You can't compare the two. They are worlds apart.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 13, 2020 at 02:04 PM

The race is on in the medical fraternity to find a cure for True Saint Syndrome a.k.a TSS

Some major symptoms include sufferers believing
- true saints and stage actors are mutually exclusive
- true saints can be distinguished basis their physical appearances and qualities
- to be a true saints, a person needs to be goodness, kindness, friendliness, love, empathy etc personified, refuse titles and not be rich and modern
- they can distinguish true saints from the others
- that they have met such true saints
- they are right in their beliefs

One other peculiar symptom is whilst the sufferers think they know a true saint from a stage actors, they actually end up being followers of stage actors and at times even having them as their spiritual masters.

Consensus amongst the medical fraternity though is whoever finds the cure is likely to find himself being nominated for the Nobel Price for Medicine.

Hi Trevor

You wrote
"To make it easy for you - all this article says is that if a few 'IF's' hold (as per the hypothesis) and one of the IF's has a one in four chance,"

But the article says
""The probability that there is such a fluctuation on this scale is one in 20 to one in 5, which means that it is not a theoretician's fantasy."

The article states a range from 95% (one in twenty, three sigma) to one in five (25%), not multiple ifs.

Did you just invent your statement - one in four? Where did it come from?
Can you actually quote these multiple "If" s you are referring too?


You wrote
" Now the difference between the two isn't by chance or error (as both have been have now been independently corroborated by other groups) and is being attributed to a missing factor in scientists understanding of the universe. The Hubble constant has this become the focus of a hotly contested battle to discover the nature of this invisible influence."

That is the problem the hypothesis solves using conventional physics, no missing factor needed. By having a huge bubble of space with a different mass than the mass outside the bubble, you get two reliable and different measures depending upon if you are measuring inside the bubble (standard candles) or the totality of all space (Microwave radiation from the Planck satellite).

Did you not get this?

"A UNIGE researcher has solved a scientific controversy about the speed of the expansion of the universe by suggesting that it is not totally homogeneous on a large scale."

https://www.techexplorist.com/mystery-universe-expansion-finally-solved/30680/


And here as well.

https://phys.org/news/2020-03-mystery-expansion-universe.html


This is what theoretical physics is all about. The hypothesis is a rational solution. Now scientists search for independent verification that this is the only plausible explanation. The hypothesis solves the problem that there was no plausible conventional explanation. There is. But it remains a hypothesis until new data can be used to confirm this plausible explanation is the right one. Even once verified, it does not become theory until its cause can be explained. Yes, the bubble now explains the two different measures. Yes, at some point new data may verify this is so. But what made the bubble.? That's when verified hypothesis opens the door to new theory. But the explanation itself is a plausible solution.

Hi Anami
You've done your homework.
Don't be afraid to find the True Saint that lives where you do. Don't settle for sitting in the audience. Find someone gentle, kind, with no title, no interest in having an audience. Just be there friend because they are the gentlest, kindest person you know. Not because you can get some inner wealth from them. One who lives a simple devoted life above question. It will make all the difference to your meditation.

You were not meant to sit idly in the audience.

Dear Spence,

Six months ago you wrote that Charan Singh carried you through Maha Sunn...
https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2019/08/if-god-is-beyond-thought-and-language-then-shut-up-if-youre-religious.html?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4cdb9c1200b#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4cdb9c1200b

...and anchored you beyond light, sound and space...
https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2019/08/if-god-is-beyond-thought-and-language-then-shut-up-if-youre-religious.html?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a480206d200c#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a480206d200c

Isn't that the definition of a Saint? How do you turn around now and call him a stage actor?

"But on the way between the third and fourth stages falls the Maha Sunn (the Great Void), the land of Primordial Gloom. This is a region of utter darkness. Even though the soul has a refulgence of twelve suns, yet it is unable to penetrate this darkness by itself...Only a Sant Satguru, a Master having access to the highest regions, can take it through that darkness." (Sardar Bahadur Jagat Singh, Science of the Soul, p. 22)

Posted by: anami | March 13, 2020 at 08:44 PM

Hahahaha.

Come on Anami.... You beat me at my game by posting this before me.

Why do you think I asked him that specific question.

But do remember the fakeness of these posts was called out by another poster.

Tune in this weekend to watch the showdown between Trevor and Spence!

@Trevor,

Ya know, there’s nothing wrong with being a Saint and being nice too. I do fully understand that being nice isn’t a prerequisite for Sainthood in RSSB but it couldn’t hurt. IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE BOTH A SAINT AND AN OUTWARDLY KIND, LOVING & NICE PERSON TOO.

You don’t have to assign the qualities of love, kindness and being “nice” to Kal alone. There is nothing wrong with a Saint displaying these qualities. In fact I think it would be far more productive.

You know what, I actually do believe that Gurinder is a saint—a true saint. I say that in the sense that I believe he has gone beyond mind and maya. I only realized this recently because I understand a little more... a lot more.

But still... you get a lot more bees with honey. A lot more!

OK, loving might be a prerequisite but how they show that love could be sweetened a bit.

This is what theoretical physics is all about. The hypothesis is a rational solution. Now scientists search for independent verification that this is the only plausible explanation. The hypothesis solves the problem that there was no plausible conventional explanation. There is. But it remains a hypothesis until new data can be used to confirm this plausible explanation is the right one. Even once verified, it does not become theory until its cause can be explained. Yes, the bubble now explains the two different measures. Yes, at some point new data may verify this is so. But what made the bubble.? That's when verified hypothesis opens the door to new theory. But the explanation itself is a plausible solution.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 13, 2020 at 09:53 PM

So very convenient is your shift from a position of "another mystery solved" to it being a explanation, a hypothesis, a plausible solution.

Not surprised though as it's not the first time and it's a Hallmark trait on display.

What's obvious also is between your first and this last post you have taken time to actually look up on Hubble Constant and what this paper actually attempts to convey.

Somewhere in your post you ask - what made the bubble. Which bubble are you asking about? Is it the imaginary one with a diameter of 250million light years? If yes, that one was made by this physicist who put forth the 'hypothesis'

Finally Is Probability one in 20 95% and one in five 25% ??

I do believe in tough love when it’s appropriate. We live in a world where people have become so fragile and easily offended that it’s annoying as shit. However, if you’re going to be tough then you also need to have a conversation explaining why you’re taking that stance so that the person you are trying to help understands why you are doing and saying what you are... and they need to understand that you are taking that stance solely to help them.

I have to do this with my nieces... especially now that they’re teenagers and are influenced by their peers that it’s natural to have a long list of things to get get triggered about.

@ Spence

In an orchestra everybody is a musician but only one is able, willing and appointed to be conductor.

It is possible ,that whatever you write is the final truth in the matter but for me as reader it doesn't resemble anything I ever came to know and experience on this matter.

And …. for me to take up a snake just because an passer-by says it can be done, is not the right way … it goes again the very grain of the inborn instincts.

But your intentions can be all good like your words.

As said this are two worlds that cannot be compared.

In my youth we were out in the woods finding mushrooms with some Italian friends of the family. People of south Europe are known for their pleasure in going into the woods searching for mushrooms and truffles. Were we live that is not a tradition so we had no more knowledge about mushrooms then the famous red ones with white specks, as they were part of fairy tales we heard ad children. In these countries nobody will even touch mushrooms out of fear to be poisoned. Our friends had to show us which to take and which not and did so with an air of being experts. So far so good. Happy with their harvest and the prospect of a good meal they started preparing the mushrooms looking smilingly in the pan. We in contrast were overwhelmed again by fear as after all WE were also supposed to eat them … something different than plucking them. To shorten the story, against our fair we tasted the mushrooms … and …. the were tasty, very tasty even …. but ….. but … my brother got terrible sick.

These friends didn't have the intention to poison us … but they did ...even after having the expertise of years, succefully gathering and eating mushrooms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW6bxXn44RY

Trevor,

Spence could be right both ways.
Or neither.
Moment of Zen.

@Trevor,

1) IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE BOTH A SAINT AND AN OUTWARDLY KIND, LOVING & NICE PERSON TOO.

2) You don’t have to assign the qualities of love, kindness and being “nice” to Kal alone. There is nothing wrong with a Saint displaying these qualities. In fact I think it would be far more productive.

Posted by: Sonia | March 14, 2020 at 01:31 AM

1) can't figure out why you convey this to me when my position is physical appearances and qualities are the most ridiculous yardsticks to conclude who is or isn't a true saint. For me - humans including the self professing expert @ Spence are utterly incapable of identifying a perfect master as one. Maybe you should type out in CAPS addressed to @spence the following

It is possible to be be both a perfect master and an outwardly cold blooded calculating jerk.

2) I don't think I have even remotely the qualities of love etc to 'kal' alone.

Vaccin found yesterday
https://www.erasmusmagazine.nl/en/2020/03/14/unique-discovery-in-erasmus-mc-antibody-against-corona/

7

Whatever Trevor

Hi Anami
Yes to the above. If a True Saint masquerades as a stage actor, because, as you see, some folks simply don't understand the Divinity behind kindness, aren't willing to search, aren't willing to oblige themselves to the commitments of friendship, would rather find fault than Christ in you and I, would rather take, and always refuse to give, then the True Saint they claim to worship for entirely selfish reasons, might as well be a stage actor. Their Master has laid down some decent impressions, but that hard shell has only hardened. Why wouldn't they go and rob a bank at gunpoint if necessary, and reject all that false flattery, and push with both hands the lazy and heartless Satsangis to go and learn a lesson about decency from their own community? What if all that was necessary? To realize that the highest spirituality is kindness and love we must lose that Master we had become so complacent about, and which we used, manipulated to serve our own selfish and heartless nature?

I would be right there shovling money into the sacks with them, reading what those heartless, lifeless critics persist in trying to kill, compassion nagging at them from within. To see these throw daggers in near competition with each other, as to who can kill any form of kindness the fastest, those daggers which only pierce their own small hearts, is not a hopeful picture. It doesn't inspire much confidence in any organization regardless.

Even if the Stage Actor is God Himself, the Statsangis magically transform him or her into a false abomination... And they do this with their own hatred of other people. What does it mean to love a Master if you hate those gentle souls living in kindness, generosity to their own detriment? Have no use or value for them? Yet those are the True Saints. They give without an audience at their feet.

And so the diaspora. 'Your Saint is a fraud, hence you are a fraud..'
It's a terrible thing for A Saint to have to play such a role in order to push away the infection of heartlessness and cruelty that has infected their followers.

Hi Um
To find real truffles and not poisonous mushrooms, you need a pig.

You say "you are just a pig!"

But the pig knows best in this matter.

Oink Oink baby!

2) I don't think I have even remotely the qualities of love etc to 'kal' alone.

Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 14, 2020 at 09:11 AM

I didn’t understand point #2. Did you omit a word?

Also, I personally don’t like the name Trevor (no offense) but I like that it rhymes with whatever. 😂

Vaccin found yesterday
https://www.erasmusmagazine.nl/en/2020/03/14/unique-discovery-in-erasmus-mc-antibody-against-corona/

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Posted by: 💦💙 💙.💦. VACCIN FOUND. .💦💙 💙.💦 | March 14, 2020 at 09:18 AM

Awesome! Hopefully it will be approved and they can speed along the whole process. It’s a frustratingly long road from discovery to distribution.

Trevor,

Spence could be right both ways.
Or neither.
Moment of Zen.

Posted by: anami | March 14, 2020 at 09:11 AM

🤣🤣🤣

Sometimes I wander why Satsangis bother coming to this blog to debate anything at all. I mean, is the point to win an argument or just to argue for the sake of arguing?

All of the RSSB blogger representatives have a unified point to make:

1. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences

2. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences

3. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences

Did I leave anything out?

Keep it up. Apparently it’s working really well for you.

@ Spence

What kind of animal is used on seeking truffles, depends on local tradition and legislation.

As I wrote, we were seeking mushrooms and i explained the interaction between laymen and self appointed experts and the negative consequences on believing them on their words.

Have a look in the mirror … to see what you are.

@ Sonia

Every time I answer an message or delete one before sending I ask myself why I do it.
Until now I have not come up with an answer … I suspect if it becomes clear I will no longer read or write her.

Now and then, before falling asleep, the emptiness of words, grabs me. There are so many words I write that have no real meaning to me from childhood on. That realisation is like flashes of light. If the become a light, the reason to read an write will be gone.

Fortunately, in the world that remains, without abstract considerations about life itself, there is always some coffee to drink and a crow to look at.

FYI, I’m a true Saint currently accepting applications for initiation. I’ve made it to the 7th region (a well kept secret from RS). So, being a perfect saint you will have to accept that every offensive thing I’ve ever said on this blog is exempt from Karma.

I do have a few requirements though;

1. You must abstain from corn and soy. They have suffered terrible abuse and until you become a perfect saint yourself you should avoid adding to your karmic load. Fortunately I can eat as much of those things as I want. You’ll have to work towards that.

2. You must meditate 5 hours a day. These are the end times and I’m not gonna be doing any hand holding. Don’t tell me you don’t have 5 hours a day. Just look at your screen time!

3. Don’t ask me any stupid questions. And if you’re not sure whether or not it’s a stupid question, then it’s a stupid question!

4. Live a clean and moral life however the fuck you interpret that.

Sonia says she wonders why Satsangis bother coming to this blog to debate anything at all.

I wonder this myself and its probably because its something I have in common with ex-satsangis because it takes a lot of courage to break away from a path that seemed to me to be well worth following and I still stick to the main principles but don't call myself a satsangi anymore probably because I don't worship a guru or put someone on a pedestal. We are all imperfect imo.

I don't believe in Saints. I do often remind myself to be grateful. Especially after escaping South Africa and not having to live in fear any more. Very happy to be an initiate and following a pure path with high standards of morality. Gratitude, gratitude, gratitude is my mantra.

(Murder. Around 57 people are murdered in South Africa every day. This is probably just an estimate because the police are not notified about all murders.)

Actually, you’ll probably find the RSSB guru more enjoyable than me. But has he been to the 7th region? You have to divide whether it’s worth it.

I mean he allows crazy shit that I simply won’t tolerate, like stuffing your faces with Indian sweets and all your bullshit whining at Q & A. I don’t do Q & A that’s why you will have to meditate 5 hours a day. The answers are within. Whatever I tell you will just get passed through the rumor mill and come out sounding nothing like the original answer.

He also allows you to live in luxury if you so chose. Nope, not on my watch.

And 2 and half hours a day isn’t gonna cut it. You still think to much and my goal is to get you to stop thinking (which will, again, help you to resist the urge to ask stupid questions).

No whining. There’s no crying in baseball!!!

Everyone sits on the floor. You’ll eventually find this easier and easier to do as you free yourself from your diabetic coma and host of other illnesses do to the modern diet.

And did I forget to mention no sugar? Absolutely NO SUGAR! Sugar is Kal’s greatest weapon you lethargic sloths.

So, what’s in it for you? You’ll be able to say, “I made it to the 7th region!” A side benefit is you’ll feel better and be healthier but that’s not my main goal. You might also realize GSD isn’t such a jerk after all. I’m tougher, but that’s what Master Yoda taught me. I’m filling in till baby Yoda is old enough to be Master.

It may sound a little confusing but the Star Wars films will be your bible. Avoid the Death Star. Everything they serve in their canteens are laced with hidden sugars.

May the Force be with you. 🙏

What about compassion. Imagine yourself being another person who is carrying out their orders, for example being a guru. How difficult and strange that must be. Maybe the ego will be very strong in someone who has to be an example for others who have their beliefs in a Path and a Master who is going to save them.

Its only when a person realises that the only one who is going to save them is their own self. Watching one's own thoughts and feelings and being aware of our actions and our own programming and decision making is what I like about Zen.

Its not about criticising or judging just simply observing our own thoughts and feelings. Its good to have compassion for one's own self, especially when we are over critical of self, thats when we need it more than anyone else.

"If you don't love yourself, you cannot love others. You will not be able to love others. If you have no compassion for yourself then you are not able of developing compassion for others" - Dalai Lama

All of the RSSB blogger representatives have a unified point to make:

1. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences

2. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences

3. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences

Did I leave anything out?

Keep it up. Apparently it’s working really well for you.

Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 14, 2020 at 01:25 PM

Wrong Sonia. The point they make is

A perfect master says and does whatever he wants regardless of the consequences.

FYI, I’m a true Saint currently accepting applications for initiation.

Posted by: Sonia | March 14, 2020 at 03:16 PM

Wish you luck for your latest startup initiative. Unfortunately these are difficult times and funding is hard to come by.

I didn’t understand point #2. Did you omit a word?

Posted by: Sonia | March 14, 2020 at 12:42 PM

Attributed - that's the missing word.

Fortunately, in the world that remains, without abstract considerations about life itself, there is always some coffee to drink and a crow to look at.

Posted by: Um | March 14, 2020 at 02:44 PM

sounds pretty Zen 😎 👍

Hi Um
Your mushroom excursion was just one instance of relying upon a false expert. Could this be your pattern?

I told you a pig would help you find the most valuable treasure, for truffles are worth more than their weight in gold. Of course a decent dog can do nearly as good a job.

That wasn't false advise, Um. But you'd have to do a little research to see it for yourself. That's the point to finding a true Saint living near you.

At least find the kindest person devoted to God you can, in any religion, or in none, simply thankful to the creation, devoted to her.

They might be A Saint. They won't be self - proclaimed. They don't believe in titles or official positions when it comes to spirituality. You will do the proclaiming on the basis of the power that pours from them, and your own transition upward within surrounded by resounding celestial music.


It's a terrible thing for A Saint to have to play such a role in order to push away the infection of heartlessness and cruelty that has infected their followers.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 14, 2020 at 12:07 PM

If it's a terrible thing, it's time for that incompetent saint to disappear.

Hi X17
You asked..
"Finally Is Probability one in 20 95% and one in five 25% ??"

Yes and no.
A one in 20 chance means that of 100 repeated measures, only five will be variant. That's 95% reliability. That is the minimum standard for scientific significance (three sigma for non - normal distributions and two sigma for normal distributions) . This is the minimum level scientists must achieve to have
" significant results ".

But that range can vary to only one in five, according to professor Lombriser, which would be 20%. If that turns out to be more reliable, it is high enough to suggest there is something to this bubble hypothesis, but it may be incomplete and a missing force or configuration is at work that is yet to be defined.

However, if that 95% result holds up under repeated independent testing, then the bubble hypothesis is proven as a scientific fact.

Right now it is a hypothesized solution, but is yet to be proven. The mystery is solved by a conventional physics hypothesis alone, and now must be tested and verified.


All of the RSSB blogger representatives have a unified point to make:

1. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences

2. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences

3. A true saint can say and do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences

Did I leave anything out?

Keep it up. Apparently it’s working really well for you.

Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 14, 2020 at 01:25 PM

Wrong Sonia. The point they make is

A perfect master says and does whatever he wants regardless of the consequences.

Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 14, 2020 at 09:03 PM

OMG! You’re going to get petty with me over one word?!?! I added “can” and you took it out.

Petty, petty, petty...

Hi Trevor
You wrote
"A perfect master says and does whatever he wants regardless of the consequences."

Actually Trevor a lot of people say and do whatever they want regardless of the consequences. But in exact contradiction to what you wrote, perfect Masters understand the consequences, and are trying to help us understand and respond to those consequences in the best way possible.

But don't let facts get in your way now, you're on a roll.

FYI, I’m a true Saint currently accepting applications for initiation.

Posted by: Sonia | March 14, 2020 at 03:16 PM

Wish you luck for your latest startup initiative. Unfortunately these are difficult times and funding is hard to come by.

Posted by: Trevor Smith | March 14, 2020 at 09:11 PM

Trevor, I don’t require funding.

You need to try not to be such a serious and unfun person. Live a little. Please. Your comments are depressing as all f*ck. Lighten up. Learn to love yourself and laugh a little.

H Trevor
You wrote
"If it's a terrible thing, it's time for that incompetent saint to disappear."

The courts are working on that.

Trevor,

I’m amazed that you let Spence get under your skin so badly. I mean, I love Spence—he’s a nice guy but I don’t read 99% of what he writes because it’s too long and I have a short attention span.

But you really let it bother you. Jeez

Let it go, man. The rest of us do. 😆

Hi Jen
You wrote
"Its only when a person realises that the only one who is going to save them is their own self."

Our "self" is full of flaws. We must go beyond that.
But we are much more than our "self". The strength, the will, the power, the insight comes from within. But it is beyond this persona, even conscious thought, though it feeds conscious thought.

Actually Trevor a lot of people say and do whatever they want regardless of the consequences. But in exact contradiction to what you wrote, perfect Masters understand the consequences, and are trying to help us understand and respond to those consequences in the best way possible.

But don't let facts get in your way now, you're on a roll.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 14, 2020 at 09:59 PM


OK, I did read this one and Spence is right.

To be fair, I seriously doubt most of the opinions expressed by Satsangis on this blog are true reflections of what any of the RS Masters think.

Any satsangi who thinks love isn’t the most important attribute of a perfect saint clearly hasn’t read anything written by any saint in all of ever-ness. Equilibrium of Love is RSSB’s book of the growth of the Dera since GSD took over. Notice the word “Love”. Perhaps you should start attending Satsang if you don’t believe Love is important. GSD has always said it’s important to be loving.

"Our life of poverty is as necessary as the work itself. Only in heaven will we see how much we owe to the poor for helping us to love God better because of them."
— Mother Teresa —

We should wake up and change our ways during these trying times. This is not Corona it’s karma.!!!
This one is mild the next one could take out much of the population and shut down our bodies instantly. Not sure what we will do then. Stop consuming animals for food. When will we learn?!!

We should wake up and change our ways during these trying times. This is not Corona it’s karma.!!!
This one is mild the next one could take out much of the population and shut down our bodies instantly. Not sure what we will do then. Stop consuming animals for food. When will we learn?!!

Posted by: Jen from Austin Texas | March 15, 2020 at 09:25 AM

So very, very, very true!

To prove my point

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/05/802938289/new-coronavirus-wont-be-the-last-outbreak-to-move-from-animal-to-human

https://youtu.be/Y7nZ4mw4mXw

Spence says: "No. They are stage actors.
And I only know this because I've met true Saints. You can't compare the two. They are worlds apart."

Who are these true Saints you have met?

You also say: "But there are true Saints. And they do not sit up on a stage. They do not preach to crowds."

So, how and why are you so privileged to have met and know these so called "Saints"?

Sonia says: "To be fair, I seriously doubt most of the opinions expressed by Satsangis on this blog are true reflections of what any of the RS Masters think."

Sonia, why don't you ask Gurinder this question? You seem to be fond of going to the Dera maybe you could ask what the RS Masters think and please don't forget that I am no longer a satsangi, but you seem to be still attached to Gurinder and Sant Mat.

Hi Um
You have written that that'll find no precedent in the writings of the Saints for what I have written. But hi it must have read, perhaps long ago in your youth, the writings of Guru Nanak..

"All virtues are yours, God. I have none. Those who miss God get contentment.... You cannot miss God without doing good deeds..... Those who recite God's name and do good deeds, the fragrance of truth comes out of their bodies..... By doing truthful deeds one falls in love with the door to God's palace.... Achieve inner peace by being humble ; get absorbed like water in water.. O Nanak, they are happy in whose mind the divine tune wells up... "


Hi Sonia
It may be possible that Trevor was referring to your use of the term True Saint, and instead supplying his preferred terminology "Perfect Master". Ie, it's the Perfect Master who is free to do as they wish, not the True Saints.

Of course no one is free. We are either bound by burdens of imposition, economics and health, or burdens of attachment and love.

But if the tight rope accrobat happens to be in love with the rope more than anything else, things tend to go better than if they can't bear to pass something that catches their eye on the ground, 700 feet below.


@ spence

There a different ways to do good.
From the outside they appear to be the same.
But from the inside one is black and the other white.

Go your way and find out.

Sonia says: "To be fair, I seriously doubt most of the opinions expressed by Satsangis on this blog are true reflections of what any of the RS Masters think."

Sonia, why don't you ask Gurinder this question? You seem to be fond of going to the Dera maybe you could ask what the RS Masters think and please don't forget that I am no longer a satsangi, but you seem to be still attached to Gurinder and Sant Mat.
Posted by: Jen | March 15, 2020 at 12:33 PM

Jen, I will definitely ask him and yes, I am still attached to him. I’ve never denied that. Good or bad, always have been attached in one form or another. 😐 But trying to keep it positive these days...

I wasn’t referring to you at all when I said “Satsangis”. What I meant by Satsangis in that comment was all the commenters who come to this site to convert “ex-Satsangis”. That’s all... I certainly wasn’t discounting any of your comments.

Hi Sonia
It may be possible that Trevor was referring to your use of the term True Saint, and instead supplying his preferred terminology "Perfect Master". Ie, it's the Perfect Master who is free to do as they wish, not the True Saints.

Of course no one is free. We are either bound by burdens of imposition, economics and health, or burdens of attachment and love.

But if the tight rope accrobat happens to be in love with the rope more than anything else, things tend to go better than if they can't bear to pass something that catches their eye on the ground, 700 feet below.


Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 15, 2020 at 02:11 PM

Ahh... perfect master vs. true saint. Words are sticky, tricky things.

Wow Sonia we actually agree on something 😳

To prove my point

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/05/802938289/new-coronavirus-wont-be-the-last-outbreak-to-move-from-animal-to-human

https://youtu.be/Y7nZ4mw4mXw

Posted by: Jen from Austin Texas | March 15, 2020 at 12:32 PM

Wow 😳

Thanks, Jen from Austin Texas. Now I’m compelled to read Spillover. You know I can’t resist a good book about potential pandemics. It’s funny, I don’t get upset when people express different spiritual perspectives (for the most part) but when it comes to anyone receiving poor medical treatment I get really upset—like really, really, upset.

During a pandemic, I think we should be able to bypass the standard forever long clinical trials process and jump to trial and error. OR we could employ common sense and start using the treatments other countries are having success with. The rate this virus is spreading is exponential. In a month from now, our world is going to look very different.

Seriously, this whole situation is karma and natural selection.

People need to stop putting animals in their mouth. 😑

Hi Jen
You quoted me then wrote
"You also say: "But there are true Saints. And they do not sit up on a stage. They do not preach to crowds."

"So, how and why are you so privileged to have met and know these so called "Saints"?"

It is indeed a privilege. The cost is only to look around. Find the kindest, humblest person you know, someone devoted to the goodness within all people, and get to know them. Someone who is not ambitious, radiates peace, and asks nothing of you.

They are worth some time. If, in their presence, you start to hear the inner music, then that is your second clue. The first clue is their kindness, compassion, patience and balance. Someone with a spotless reputation. Not famous, not mighty. Just clean and clear.

They are in your community. Find them, get to know them personally. They may not do anything for your soul. They may not be rich. They may not read your mind, or heal you. They might live in very meager circumstances. Yet they will be kind and generous with their time. And spending time with them will open up something within you that may help you hear Shabd and find the True Saints around you. But at least you will be spending some time with a superior soul. That's good for all of us.

This is the point. The very fact that no one here is familiar with people who fit this description says a lot. We are too self - absorbed to notice the beauty around us. We want roses when there are so many lovely tiny wildflowers. And those tiny wildflowers are connected directly to nature.

@ spence

There a different ways to do good.
From the outside they appear to be the same.
But from the inside one is black and the other white.

Go your way and find out.

Posted by: Um | March 15, 2020 at 03:53 PM

Perfect master (please note the terminology. @trevor am with you on this one) do only one good that is free the soul. Some others at best into doing good karmas. And it's cool for some who see these individuals as true saints.

Wow Sonia we actually agree on something 😳

Posted by: Jen from Austin Texas | March 15, 2020 at 04:38 PM

Now, I understand why Charan said America could be a 3rd world country someday. The truth is, if we have an even deadlier pandemic in the future, the entire world will be living in third world conditions.

Without God, all this is a transitory illusion.

So if in fact there is no God and all this is just a passing show, and all we value transitory, then pick the better illusion. Then believe in eternal life. Because life in fact will carry on after you die. Long, long after. And life was here long long before.

Then believe in eternal love, for love was here long, long before you had a name, and will be here long, long after your name is forgotten. That you share life with life, and love with love, believe in that which lasts. Believe you are still part of that.

The eternal forces of nature, why not be close to those?

If it's all an illusion anyway, pick one that brings you closer to the eternal forces of reality, deep within yourself.

Why not call that God?

Sonia did you listen to the 37 min npr audio that’s as in that link? It’s from
The writer of spillover. Have a listen.

Perfect master (please note the terminology. @trevor am with you on this one) do only one good that is free the soul. Some others at best into doing good karmas. And it's cool for some who see these individuals as true saints.

Posted by: Steve Kinsella | March 15, 2020 at 08:12 PM

Steve,

Which guru are you and Trevor following??? It doesn’t sound like you’re following GSD.

Perfect master (please note the terminology. @trevor am with you on this one) do only one good that is free the soul. Some others at best into doing good karmas. And it's cool for some who see these individuals as true saints.

Posted by: Steve Kinsella | March 15, 2020 at 08:12 PM

I just feel like you’re leaving out all of the other good qualities of a perfect master or true saint (whichever term you prefer). They may have one objective but they do many good things.

Hi Jen from Austin Texas,

I haven’t listened to the 37min piece by the author yet. When I went back to your comment I saw the YouTube link and watched that.

It’s so crazy—first wave estimate potentially 60M people dead... and second wave could be double that??? So 200M from COVID-19 alone. And there will be much more damage to the global population than loss of life.

Not to get all gloom and doom though. I’m not afraid of the Virus—it’s treatable. 99.999% sure I had COVID-19. It would be too coincidental if I had one of the other corona viruses when this novel coronavirus hit. I was miserable but I survived. My husband got sick too but not bad. My dad and mom both have it. Mom is doing better. Dad is better but not 100%. I think I’m going to have to drag him to the doctor tomorrow.

I created a twitter account devoted to tracking COVID-19 news, updates and treatments. Here’s one article I posted with some key points highlighted below.

••••••••••••
rhttps://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-vs-the-flu-its-just-like-other-viruses-and-we-should-go-about-our-normal-business-right-wrong-heres-why-2020-03-09

So what are the differences between coronavirus and the flu? For starters, there is no vaccine for COVID-19 and it could take many months or years to get one to market, and, unlike the influenza viruses for which there are several vaccines, humans have not built up an immunity over multiple generations. What’s worse, doctors fear the virus will mutate.

Another reason not to compare the two viruses: Influenza has likely been around for more than 2,000 years. Scientists say the “novel influenza A viruses” in humans lead to a pandemic approximately once every 40 years. But, again, flu vaccines exist. “The flu has been with us since the birth of modern medicine,” said Adalja.

What has all this got to do with COVID-19? There is an advantage to coming down with a virus that has been around for hundreds, if not a couple of thousand, years. Humans, ideally, will have built up more natural defenses to fight it.

“But it doesn’t seem like there is cross-immunity with this coronavirus as there are with the other coronaviruses,” he added. In other words, the natural defense systems in our body that help us ward off flu are unlikely to apply here.
••••••••••••


I missed my calling in life—I should have been an epidemiologist!!! 🤪

I just feel like you’re leaving out all of the other good qualities of a perfect master or true saint (whichever term you prefer). They may have one objective but they do many good things.

Posted by: Sonia Taylor | March 15, 2020 at 11:38 PM

I should have clarified.... My post was from the perfect Master's point of view. Ask a perfect master if you know one and you will hear this from him. They are here to free and not bind or change the rusty chains which bind to diamond studded ones.

Of course from we humans point of view - you may be right. They do possess some good qualities which they put to use.

Will prefer perfect masters or stage actors as true saints in here is meant to mean as defined by a @spence.

To say those who are one with the Lord and given the power to bring souls back have no interest in good work, or that qualities of love and kindness have nothing to do with their mission, really misses the point.

To parse out good works, an open and loving heart as separate and lesser than the raising of souls into the highest heaven is trying to dissect love into pieces and then selecting and prioritizing them. When you dissect the unicorn, you kill her in the process.

The True Saints, and even the stage actors all claim much the opposite: God is love, and those closest to God are the most loving, gentlest souls on earth. They go further to claim that loving the lord, even if one's practice produces nothing, leads to salvation. And further still they teach that one cannot make much progress unless they submit and become as gentle and loving as the most gentle and loving child.

Man! Conquer Thyself!

Here in the UK, we're a pretty private and insular nation culturally speaking. We can live right next door to people for decades and not even know their name.

During the current crisis and global lockdowns, please spare a moment to consider the elderly and vulnerable who may live near you that you miss on a daily basis, but who may now need some of the support or help.

Lots of great local aid groups out there!!

Spence you say: "Find the kindest, humblest person you know, someone devoted to the goodness within all people, and get to know them. Someone who is not ambitious, radiates peace, and asks nothing of you."

Well thats easy because my sons are the kindest people I know so I am very lucky. They grew up with the principles of satsangi beliefs, vegetarian, no alcohol or mind altering drugs, living a moral lifestyle etc and they are very kind and generous people.

In Australia now its all about self-isolation because of the Coronavirus. I like my own company so it doesn't bother me at all. Cheers and hope everything is going okay with everyone and don't forget to wash your hands (lol).

Hi Jen
I'm being kept busy these days....

Spence,
You say: "Our "self" is full of flaws. We must go beyond that.
But we are much more than our "self". The strength, the will, the power, the insight comes from within. But it is beyond this persona, even conscious thought, though it feeds conscious thought."

I practice Mindfulness. Zen Presence. Mindfulness is paying close attention to the experience of the present moment, with calm acceptance of whatever is happening. I like to practice having an observing self. The observer is the inner self. It does not judge, it simply observes. Watching. Listening. This is my own consciousness. I find this reflecting and being aware in my daily life more interesting than sitting in meditation. Its just me, watching the ego self, without judgment, in my everyday life. I love Zen. Its not easy because the ego likes to judge but because of the quiet life I live I can remind myself when I get lost in worldly affairs.

@Manjit

Wonderful suggestion! I live in a neighborhood that has just 3 streets—one way in and one way out. It’s nice because we’re a bit secluded. A lot of elderly neighbors—many choose to retire here because of the closeness. It’s not exclusive, just a comfortably middle to upper middle class neighborhood but modest considering. I don’t think anyone would appreciate a knock on the door at this point. I don’t even see many of my neighbors going for their usual walks. But our home owner’s association has a phone list and perhaps we should reach out that way.

Great suggestion!

OMG! You’re going to get petty with me over one word?!?! I added “can” and you took it out.

Petty, petty, petty...

Posted by: Sonia | March 14, 2020 at 09:58 PM

Maybe the Difference between 'can do' and 'does' and adding / deleting a word is insignificant/petty to some.

@Sonia, here is a nice little joke for you


A contractor promised a Minister that he would bribe sumptuously if the contract is approved..

Believing him, the Minister wrote on the file *Approved*..

Even after two days, the bribe money was not given....

Minister felt cheated...

Minister's attendant said : Don't worry sir. I will bring the file & you simply write *Not* before *Approved*.

So it became *Not Approved*.....!!!

Two days later, the contractor bribed him as per the contract.......

Minister was worried as to what to do now ?

The attendant again came to his rescue, brought the file back and said...

Write *e* after *Not*

...which ultimately became

*Note Approved*.....😜

But this is also how politicians function in many countries.

Hi Trevor
You wrote
"A perfect master says and does whatever he wants regardless of the consequences."

Actually Trevor a lot of people say and do whatever they want regardless of the consequences. But in exact contradiction to what you wrote, perfect Masters understand the consequences

But don't let facts get in your way now, you're on a roll.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | March 14, 2020 at 09:59 PM

Only to the very strange 'regardless of consequences' is only along with being ignorant/not knowing of the consequences.

Holy shit this guy who jumped of the 66th floor had no understanding of the consequences. Poor fellow. Don't blame him though. After all he wasn't a perfect master.

I may be on a roll as you say but you are too for your rationality is indeed a source of entertainment.

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