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@Sonia
It is like the SUN
It compares a tiny bit
SUN made you , made your elements gird daily energy
you bath in the Sun on the beach
But you cannot join it today

777

🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈


Can you do me one favor, please? Can you ask Baba Ji who the other Perfect Master on this planet is? He said there was at least 2. Which makes me wonder if they are ONE as well.

But, mainly can you pleeeeez find out who the other perfect master is?

I just want to meet him/her.

🙏 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

Time to forget about the Lord and Masters and God and gurus and saints. We are all one and the same, that is our inner being, call it soul or spirit or whatever, lol I choose whatever. The whatever me does not think, its not the mind, does not even want to be called a soul or a spirit, its simply experiencing life, just a tiny drop in the ocean, the ocean of life with all its mysteries and wonder, inside every living being and one day the inner being will merge completely with the One again forever.

How can anyone claim that another person’s inner experiences are “fakery”. That seems rather pompous. Unless of course you are the Omniscient One.

We all struggle (except for GSD and his inner circle—if only we lowly ones could be as holy as they).

I’m changing my handle to 666. It suits me. I’m sure Kabir would agree.

— Sonia

A little tidbit—Gooroo comes from goo which is a sticky, slimy substance and roo which is a marsupial (carry their little ones in a pouch). So a gooroo is a lot like a guru when you think about it.

@ Wise owl

For, All experiences, prophecies, teachings attribute to any divine source, goes that there was just ONE person that received it and the same divine orgine never ever repeated it or make others aware of it.

Before I gave as Illustration the angel gabriel, speaking to the prophet that ende with the creation of the koran and Islam … the angel gabriel never appeared to people of other nations in other continents with the message to confirm the message and to heed his words.

One can add to that the promise of the lord to Moses in which he gave the lands to the Hebrews. That same lord forget to inform all other tribes, peoples etc that he had done so and they should respect that promise.

That same hold for any teaching as spread by this or that mystic.

That moslims believe that hearsay is alright and live accordingly ...as long as they do not generalize it for all and everybody.

What do indigenous tribes all over the world know of these divine promises etc???

So after Amazon made millionaire, you moved to
google YouTube
666, 5th Avene NY

7

So after Amazon made millionaire, you moved to
google YouTube
666, 5th Avene NY

7

Posted by: 💥 | February 11, 2020 at 03:22 PM

Excuse you—“billionaire”.

Hi A Wise Owl

You gave a beautiful quote, but you may have misunderstood.

"At least we should take it in that light. It may be a bitter pill to swallow sometimes. Because, you see, it’s good from the Father’s point of view, not from the worldly point of view. Our concept of his grace is something very different. We think that if he gives us a very good partner and a good house and a lot of money and a good reputation in this world, if we are worshipped by people, then the Father’s grace is very much on us. But his grace may come in a different way. He may take your wife from you or your child or your friend. And you may become frustrated by this world and turn back to the Father. That may be his grace, to pull you out of all the attachments of the world and make you realize the reality, which you never would have thought about otherwise. You were so much engrossed in your own love, your achievements and your own wealth that you have practically forgotten him. That is not his grace. His grace is what pulls you back to him, and that may be a very bitter pill. Our concept of his grace is something very different – it is always from the worldly point of view."

In like fashion we think the same mistaken thinking of our chosen stage actor Master...
Has a good partner,
has wealth and many, many fine temples the world over,
His lands and holdings are ever expanding
He is worshiped by many,
Yes, we think these things therefore are all good grace from God, and good for us too... We want that he has, possessions, power, authority, and take all these as the Lord's Grace.

But the real Grace of the Father is to bring us to Him. Even to take from us the stage actor we love, our icon, our mini - me made in the image of our own desires.

The Lord's bulldozer plows straight and true. For its driver knows intuitively that God and Truth must be One, cannot be different.

Hi A Wise Owl

You quoted Great Master, and here is the very problem with the stage actors.

"From the time of initiation, when the Master takes over the charge of a soul, he is more anxious than the soul to see it installed on the throne of bliss and peace."

The Soul has God even before initiation. There never were two.

No human being dare interject themselves between God and Soul. It can't be done.

Souls are never separate, only asleep.
The True Saints are here to awaken them, and take them to the home that is already within them. There is no separation, and no disconnection, and therefore no act of connection necessary. You were never unplugged. We are all alive because of that audible power of life constantly pouring through us.

There is no official ceremony. No artificial rules.No possibility of separation. No vows to break.

Wise, you are quoting the words of a beautiful swindler. They steal what is already yours, sitting in your own home, and then offer it up as something they own. And like a master swindler, they offer sell it back to you at a small fee.

But it can never be stolen. It is your birthright.

This whole escapade is a waste of your wealth and time. They take you to the bridge which, in truth, they are powerless to cross, and then charge tolls year in and year out. Tolls of love, devotion and worship which belong to the Father. So of course, being misdirected very cleverly to worship a human being instead of God, you go nowhere.

A true Friend sets you straight. They point you gently to God, never to themselves. Your focus is the Light and the Sound within you. They gently take your hand and guide you within, step by step, to awaken these in you. And they forbid you to worship anything or anyone else, including and especially themselves, even though they are right inside you.

If you bought the swindler's pitch, I have a few bridges to sell to you.

Hi Um
You asked
"What do indigenous tribes all over the world know of these divine promises etc???"

They receive them also from the Divinity living within them.

I just want to meet him/her.

🙏 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

OMG
That One came for less than 10 Souls only

I can connect U with a Siberian Trikuti level Rishi_Saint
( don't underestimate <<. he is a trillion^trillion more powerful than f.i. me. 💥

but I need to look / search on an old hard drive <
where I have his telephone N°
That very holy One lets his disciples do amazing hard seva in the snow and mud
and yes, . . . they like it too

One of the Sant Mat Masters willl initiate Him
and the Malaysian Dame from Kirpal to the 4th space of consciousness . . yes. passing the sunna


777

@ Spence

Where did you find evidence that the lord, if there is one, informed all the tribes all over the world from the promises he made to the Hebrews, their prophets and the prophets of other religions like Islam and Christianity?

Inner experiences are private and cannot be generalised and made into "carrots" for the rest of humanity withhout the consent of the lord and his advise to all to heed these private words.

I just want to meet him/her.

🙏 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

OMG
That One came for less than 10 Souls only

I can connect U with a Siberian Trikuti level Rishi_Saint
( don't underestimate <<. he is a trillion^trillion more powerful than f.i. me. 💥

but I need to look / search on an old hard drive <
where I have his telephone N°
That very holy One lets his disciples do amazing hard seva in the snow and mud
and yes, . . . they like it too

One of the Sant Mat Masters willl initiate Him
and the Malaysian Dame from Kirpal to the 4th space of consciousness . . yes. passing the sunna


777
Posted by: 💥 | February 11, 2020 at 07:34 PM

You’re suddenly channeling a very sarcastic entity. I underestimated your wit.

Time to forget about the Lord and Masters and God and gurus and saints. We are all one and the same, that is our inner being, call it soul or spirit or whatever, lol I choose whatever. The whatever me does not think, its not the mind, does not even want to be called a soul or a spirit, its simply experiencing life, just a tiny drop in the ocean, the ocean of life with all its mysteries and wonder, inside every living being and one day the inner being will merge completely with the One again forever.
Posted by: zenjen | February 11, 2020 at 01:34 PM

OMG... thank you for your words of sanity! I decided to read this entire thread starting from the beginning all the way through. Most all of the comments (including my own) were collectively beginning to make a strong argument for atheism.

Your comment was like an oasis in the desert of superstition, sorcery and self righteousness. 😂

🎶🎵
People killin' people dyin'
Children hurtin', I hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preachin'?
Would you turn the other cheek again?
Mama, mama, mama, tell us what the hell is goin' on
Can't we all just get along?
Father, father, father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me
Questioning
(Where's the love)
Yo what's going on with the world, momma
(Where's the love)
Yo people living like they ain't got no mommas
(Where's the love)
I think they all distracted by the drama and
Attracted to the trauma, mamma
(Where's the love)
I think they don't understand the concept or
The meaning of karma
(Where's the love)
Overseas, yeah they trying to stop terrorism
(Where's the love)
Over here on the streets the police shoot
The people put the…

@💥

I don’t think the symmetrical 777 is going to appreciate you high hacking his handle to take a magic carpet ride.

I checked with the Beast first and he was fine with me using his.

🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈
So, you’re say that we’re all separate from God (the thing about Sant Mat that struck fear into my heart) until the Master purifies is. You’re saying that right now I’m separate from God?

I’m going to need some antipsychotics to deal with that one.

Posted by: Sonia Taylor | February 11, 2020 at 09:21 AM

Hey Sonia,

Yes I am saying exactly that. And since the flavour of the season seems to be pulling out extracts from RSSB literature here you go.....

Maharaj Charan Singh, Spiritual Perspectives, Vol. I

"This world was created, we are separated from the Father, and we are condemned to this separation. Unless we merge back into him, we cannot escape from birth and death. We have to grow spiritually within ourselves to understand the purpose of creation. And then perhaps you won’t even ask the Father why he has created you, because you will be one with the Father and will understand."

But you are free to believe whatever you want and one other can spew out his concocted interpretation of a pretty straightforward utterance in plain easy to understand English.

Sd/-

Sath_Path

Meant to post this here.

‘Where is the Love’ full lyrics:

People killin' people dyin'
Children hurtin', I hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preachin'?
Would you turn the other cheek again?
Mama, mama, mama, tell us what the hell is goin' on
Can't we all just get along?
Father, father, father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me
Questioning
(Where's the love)
Yo what's going on with the world, momma
(Where's the love)
Yo people living like they ain't got no mommas
(Where's the love)
I think they all distracted by the drama and
Attracted to the trauma, mamma
(Where's the love)
I think they don't understand the concept or
The meaning of karma
(Where's the love)
Overseas, yeah they trying to stop terrorism
(Where's the love)
Over here on the streets the police shoot
The people put the bullets in 'em
(Where's the love)
But if you only got love for your own race
(Where's the love)
Then you're gonna leave space for others to discriminate
(Where's the love)
And to discriminate only generates hate
And when you hate then you're bound to get irate
Madness is what you demonstrate
And that's exactly how hate works and operates
Man, we gotta set it straight
Take control of your mind and just meditate
And let your soul just gravitate
To the love, so the whole world celebrate it
People killin' people dyin'
Children hurtin', I hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preachin'?
Would you turn the other cheek again?
Mama, mama, mama, tell us what the hell is goin' on
Can't we all just get along?
Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questioning
(Where's the love)
It just ain't the same, always in change
(Where's the love)
New days are strange, is the world insane?
(Where's the love)
Nation droppin' bombs killing our little ones
(Where's the love)
Ongoing suffering as the youth die young
(Where's the love)
Where's the love when a child gets murdered
Or a cop gets knocked down
Black lives not now
Everybody matter to me
All races, y'all don't like what I'm sayin'? Haterade, tall cases
Everybody hate somebody
Guess we all racist
Black Eyed Peas do a song about love and y'all hate this
All these protests with different colored faces
We was all born with a heart
Why we gotta chase it?
And every time I look around
Every time I look up, every time I look down
No one's on a common ground
(Where's the love)
And if you never speak truth then you never know how love sounds
(Where's the love)
And if you never know love then you never know God, wow
(Where's the love)
Where's the love y'all? I don't, I don't know
Where's the truth y'all? I don't know
People killin' people dyin'
Children hurtin', I hear them cryin'
Could you practice what you preach?
Would you turn the other cheek?
Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questioning
(Where's the love)
(Where's the love)
Love is the key
(Where's the love)
Love is the answer
(Where's the love)
Love is the solution
(Where's the love)
(Where's the love)
They don't want us to love
(Where's the love)
Love is powerful
(Where's the love)
(Where's the love)
My mama asked me why I never vote never vote
'Cause police men want me dead and gone (Dead and gone)
That election looking like a joke (Such a joke)
And the weed man still sellin' dope
Somebody gotta give these niggas hope (Please hope)
All he ever wanted was a smoke (My gosh)
Said he can't breathe with his hands in the air
Layin' on the ground died from a choke
(Where's the love)
I feel the weight of the world on my shoulders
As I'm gettin' older y'all people gets colder
Most of us only care about money makin'
Selfishness got us followin' the wrong direction
Wrong information always shown by the media
Negative images is the main criteria
Infecting the young minds faster than bacteria
Kids wanna act like what they see in the cinemas
What happened to the love and the values of humanity?
(Where's the love)
What happened to the love and the fairness and equality?
(Where's the love)
Instead of spreading love we're spreading animosity
(Where's the love)
Lack of understanding leading us away from unity
(Where's the love)
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Allan Pineda / Giorgio Hesdey Tuinfort / Jaime Gomez / Jayceon Taylor / Justin Timberlake / Khaled Khaled / Rakim Mayers / Will Adams

@Sonia
perhaps now , y'r inspired to believe in
Solopism or Solispism (wiki)

The notion that You are entirely alone as a non time , non space hyper powerful Being

That implies
Your family, you town/country/planet/univers
all that is of your making ( understandable against loneliness )

all atoms / molecules around an "in" you are fake, . . . It's all your great fantastic imagination!

his trick doesn't happen in You alone but also in all (non and ) conscious pieces

It fits perfectly in quantum mechanics

You might prefer it above Gurinder so can let yo go for a while

I'm a believer of this structure specially after my "meeting" with Charan JI,
next writing HIM : "Now I have YOU, Sir, . . I don't need God anymore"

777

To make this discussion a little bit more shocking enlightening

Dont use. the figure ... Each time I see I vomit on my keyboard

Dear 7💥7 and [newly]666,

Serendipity/Synchronicity: I used to work for a company with offices at 666 5th Ave and was up in the building a number of times. It was a Kushner property. Oddly, that gives us all only a few degrees of separation from Jared Kushner, his father-in-law plus every other world muckamuck...and...the...Antichrist.


But you are free to believe whatever you want and one other can spew out his concocted interpretation of a pretty straightforward utterance in plain easy to understand English.

Sd/-

Sath_Path

Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | February 12, 2020 at 05:52 AM

Thanks for the clarification.

Hi Um
You asked
"@ Spence

" Where did you find evidence that the lord, if there is one, informed all the tribes all over the world from the promises he made to the Hebrews, their prophets and the prophets of other religions like Islam and Christianity?"

Studied world religions.
Almost all have a relationship with the divine, with expectations and promises.

Dear 7💥7 and [newly]666,

Serendipity/Synchronicity: I used to work for a company with offices at 666 5th Ave and was up in the building a number of times. It was a Kushner property. Oddly, that gives us all only a few degrees of separation from Jared Kushner, his father-in-law plus every other world muckamuck...and...the...Antichrist.

Posted by: anami | February 12, 2020 at 07:39 AM

😂😂😂

That’s pretty cool! 😃

Yeah, a Kushner property... I think they had some trouble selling it. They might still own it. Not sure. New York real estate is tough. I worked for a REIT/Real Estate Investment Trust on Park Ave a few blocks from Grand Central for a while. It was hands down the least favorite job I’ve ever had in my entire life. Dog eat dog. Every day the stress level was like a scene from Boiler Room. I was the only female there besides the CEO’s veteran secretary.

I might retire the Beast. It’s a bit brash, even for me. 😄

In like fashion we think the same mistaken thinking of our chosen stage actor Master...
Has a good partner,
has wealth and many, many fine temples the world over,
His lands and holdings are ever expanding
He is worshiped by many,

We think these things therefore are all good grace from God, and good for us too... We want that he has, possessions, power, authority, and take all these as the Lord's Grace.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | February 11, 2020 at 04:50 PM

Really.

So cancer, highly diabetic, widow(er), embroiled in court cases etc - by your logic every disciple must be willing to give is right hand to have this too. After all since the Master has all this too it must be God's grace and so would be good for us.

LoL

@Dera_Inc

Would sincere honest catholics ( if existing) want to be crucified ?

I hope that Gurinder
Adi Granth

"For Those who hear the Shabd, . . all Nature is in blossom and bloom"

I wish HIM That
Like last 55 years , . . when I see a star falling and I can do one wish
I awash wished
"That my mind be imbued in Thy Name, "
we can all be happy and no worries. !!!

777

I m 83, don't hide much . . only my name


Hi Tore!
You write
"So, The mantra is to draw your attention to the third Eye and the samskaras in the total chitta is burnt ,trough longing and love for God/Guru and Linstening to The Inner Sound?

" Is this the RS consept?

Yes, as far as my own experience, these are the initial stages.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | February 11, 2020 at 10:21 AM

Spence,

Your own experience you say...... Is it the RS experience? If not what's this experience? Would you be kind enough to share some details.

You also refer to initial stages.... So what are these initial stages?

Tores question is pointed: is the RS concept - The mantra is to draw your attention to the third Eye and the samskaras in the total chitta is burnt ,trough longing and love for God/Guru and Linstening to The Inner Sound?

Is it so?

What humans are very hyper strong at

is LOVE
( so. . . hate also)

Understanding is nothing
and has zero value with God
who Himself doesn't understand a thing
IQ Zero

She is to much engaged in LOVE
and has no time for
worthless stuff

while Engaged by all those incoming Param Saints
with their pockets full of stupid disciples

I said it before
Even when only ONE Saint comes per Galaxy

IT IS HUGE


777

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Posted by: 777 | August 07, 2013 at 06:22 AM

Hi Dera Inc
"So cancer, highly diabetic, widow(er), embroiled in court cases etc - by your logic every disciple must be willing to give is right hand to have this too."

Ideally. But ah, people cherry pick. If there is worldly wealth and power, everything else seems small.

There is an old Yiddish proverb

" If you are rich, you are handsome! And you sing well, too! "

@ Spence
>> " Where did you find evidence that the lord, if there is one, informed all the tribes all over the world from the promises he made to the Hebrews, their prophets and the prophets of other religions like Islam and Christianity?"

Studied world religions.
Almost all have a relationship with the divine, with expectations and promises. <<

Did I write something about divine relationships?!
I don't think so.
What did I write?!

There are many incidents as can be found in holy books of the different religions … as there is Moses. who receive the message for the Hebrews that pieces of the earth are theirs for all generations to come and the words of the angel Gabriel that are to be found in the Koran.

These are just examples I wanted to use to make it clear that Moses was the only one that received that message. That same message was not given to any other person on the world. If God gave that piece of land, it would be reasonable and polite if he informed the other tribes, and peoples all over the world that he had done so. Unfortunately he didn't tell the indigenous people of the america's, Australia, Azia etc etc that he had givem that land to the Hebrews.

The same hold s for the messages to the prophet. There has been no lord that informed other persons about the messages he gave to the prophet, or told them to heed his words. So we only have the word of the prophet and only the word of Moses.... private experiences.

The same holds for the content of any other inner experience by whatever mystic … they are all private and cannot and should not be generalized.

That is all … this are no things you learn in University following comparative studies.
It is to simple.


To make this discussion a little bit more shocking enlightening

Dont use. the figure ... Each time I see I vomit on my keyboard

Posted by: 🙏🙏. 777 🙏🙏 | February 12, 2020 at 06:47 AM

Ok, what??? Are you talking about the ellipsis? The proper formatting is as follows:

...and (if it’s before a word)

and... (if it’s after a word)

1. Always 3 dots and only 3 dots
2. No spaces between the dots
3. No space between the ellipsis and the word that’s beginning or ending the thought.
4. However, always a space between the end of the ellipsis and the next thought. For example:
and... word

I worked as an ebook conversion editor for NetLibrary when I lived in Boulder, Colorado.

But, hey, I’m not a stickler. I don’t mind how other people choose to do it.

And if that’s not what you’re referring too, then please forgive me. I’ve been scrubbing the kitchen floors with bleach. Feeling like Cinderella 30 years later...

Really.

So cancer, highly diabetic, widow(er), embroiled in court cases etc - by your logic every disciple must be willing to give is right hand to have this too. After all since the Master has all this too it must be God's grace and so would be good for us.

LoL

Posted by: Dera_Inc | February 12, 2020 at 11:14 AM

I don’t envy that position at all. Might be a lot easier to be nailed to a cross and done with it than to do what he’s doing day after day, year after year. Sounds like a prison of heartache and stress. I’m sure there are some perks but overall, a prison.

Just realized I mentioned two of my previous jobs just today. For the record, I’ve done just about everything. Worked in every exciting environment except for outer space. I’m 47 and I’m ready to retire. Actually, I decided at the end of last year that I am officially “retired”. I’m only working on projects that interest me from here on out. I used to be an insane workaholic always up for a new challenge and change of scenery. Not anymore...

Didn’t realize he was “highly” diabetic. That sucks. My dad is diabetic and my grandmother too—she ended up having both of her legs amputated as a result of diabetic complications. 😳

I subscribe to Dr. Berg’s YouTube channel. He said doctors should test all of their healthy patients’ pancreatic enzymes instead of waiting till they have a clinical diagnosis of diabetes. It takes on average 12 years for the disease to set in. So people think they are healthy just because they’re blood sugar is normal while not realizing that their pancreas may be working overtime to compensate. Eventually the pancreas wears out. And then you have diabetes.

I have a sweet tooth and if I were Indian (with the genetic predisposition that many Indians have for diabetes at such an early age) I’d be dead by now. 😬

I’ve cut back a lot on sugar and starches though. I’m a big salad eater. 😃

Doesn’t mean I won’t eventually get diagnosed with diabetes but I sure don’t want to wind up like my dad and grandma.

@Spence
@Um

Have you seen ‘Messiah’ on Netflix? Just curious what your thoughts are on the series if you’ve seen it.

Anyone else can chime in. It’s truly intriguing. Many Christians and Muslims have banned it, but tomato meter is high.

Really.

So cancer, highly diabetic, widow(er), embroiled in court cases etc - by your logic every disciple must be willing to give is right hand to have this too. After all since the Master has all this too it must be God's grace and so would be good for us.

LoL

Posted by: Dera_Inc | February 12, 2020 at 11:14 AM

This statement made me sad. It’s easy for me to have empathy (in between my periodic drama tantrums).

On the bright side—he has excellent medical care. The court cases will come to an end eventually. So far the cancer is in remission I hope. And I’m sure any of his eligible followers would be happy to keep him company. But you can’t replace people—that part is sad.

Oh well... tell him to watch all those Ted Talks that I posted for Jen on how the mind heals the body. I don’t have any suggestions for the legal—hopefully he has good legal counsel. Be kind.

Life is short.

My dad is diabetic and my grandmother too—she ended up

Tell dad that he can prevent granny's fate by
swinging one lef back & forth like a soccer player
10 times
Must be prudent and not hurt somebody

Next do the toes in a vacuum cleaner input
count to 10 each toe
Tell Gurinder the same please

BTW. for back pain an 120$ extension table fr amazon
for applying traction works great
But I wrote that in a letter to him years ago, tried to send one
to Beas; . . can t remember if it was accepted . . . there was a kind of difficulty ... I forgot what. haha
BIW2
Against cancer 3 times p day a teaspoon with very fine grinder
flaxseed powder
and also a measles vaccination ( yes against cancer)

For those without cancer 2 teaspoons per week
By a good electric coffee grinder < must be very fine powder

77


77

Ideally. But ah, people cherry pick. If there is worldly wealth and power, everything else seems small.

There is an old Yiddish proverb

" If you are rich, you are handsome! And you sing well, too! "
Posted by: Spence Tepper | February 12, 2020 at 01:27 PM

Ideally. Haha. Let's not talk of ideal(ly) for if initiates had ideally followed the path every single one would be an enlightened one. Sonia wouldnt feel the need to seek out, even ask in here the coordinates of another master (basis GSD's statement of there being at least 2 masters always present); for one amongst the 20million Buddhas (RSSB followers) would be her.

The poster A Wise Owl doesn't seem to have misunderstood the beautiful quote. Infact if you look carefully (s)he hasn't penned a word about his understanding of Hazur's quote. Only you have and it's now settled by subsequent exchange on this, that your understanding was flawed.

Hazur is bang on about OUR concept of HIS grace when he says "Our concept of his grace is something very different – it is always from the worldly point of view."

What's supposedly good (grace) and bad (lack of grace) for us, WE decide for ourselves and it's not at all based what the master has or doesn't have in his personal life.

And we EXPECT these goods come and the bads don't come our way (HIS grace) because of our belief that Master has the power to grant these but alas with misplaced belief that we know better than God/Master what's right or wrong for us.

There are many incidents as can be found in holy books of the different religions … as there is Moses. who receive the message for the Hebrews that pieces of the earth are theirs for all generations to come and the words of the angel Gabriel that are to be found in the Koran.

These are just examples I wanted to use to make it clear that Moses was the only one that received that message. That same message was not given to any other person on the world. If God gave that piece of land, it would be reasonable and polite if he informed the other tribes, and peoples all over the world that he had done so. Unfortunately he didn't tell the indigenous people of the america's, Australia, Azia etc etc that he had givem that land to the Hebrews.

The same hold s for the messages to the prophet. There has been no lord that informed other persons about the messages he gave to the prophet, or told them to heed his words. So we only have the word of the prophet and only the word of Moses.... private experiences.

The same holds for the content of any other inner experience by whatever mystic … they are all private and cannot and should not be generalized.

That is all … this are no things you learn in University following comparative studies.
It is to simple.

Posted by: Um | February 12, 2020 at 01:36 PM

Hi Um,

The questions i have for you are

1) Is God obliged to tell the rest of humanity his communication with individuals considered as prophets?

2) Isn't in Christianity, Jewish and Moslem religions Prophet a person who is sent by God to teach the people and give them messages from God?

I'm pretty certain God wouldn't have conveyed to each of these prophets that his message needs to be limited to only certain privileged lot and/or tracts of land have been either reserved as theirs or ordained as Holy Lands. Probably convenient distortions over time to suit agendas of the keepers of religions.

3) Does God need to tell humanity via prophets to heed his words? Does God need us? Or is it the other way around?

4) Teachings or the word of God as revealed to these prophets by God - are they universal? Consistent across time and geography? Even Mohammad referred to Allah/Rabb as Rabbul Aalameen and not Rabbul Musalmeen i.e. that Lord who belongs to All and not just Muslims.

Comparative studies ------> useful if objective is to find commonality across teachings (which have taken the form of religion now?. But alas it's usually as the name suggests..... So comparative i.e. finding differences and only therefore useless probably even divisive.

5) Isn't RSSB philosophy comparative studies in a way? Haven't you heard (if you are on the path) in almost every discourse by the Master (Hazur certainly) that the intent of taking verses of different prophets is to only highlight that at the core - there is only one message conveyed, across time and geography?

Sd/-

Sath_Path

What's supposedly good (grace) and bad (lack of grace) for us, WE decide for ourselves and it's not at all based what the master has or doesn't have in his personal life.

And we EXPECT these goods come and the bads don't come our way (HIS grace) because of our belief that Master has the power to grant these but alas with misplaced belief that we know better than God/Master what's right or wrong for us.
Posted by: Dera_Inc | February 12, 2020 at 07:28 PM

I believe people can be happy under almost any circumstance if they look within.

@Dera_Inc

BTW, I was being sarcastic about asking GSD who the other perfect master is.

😂😂😂

And I don’t think GSD or any of the Master stated there would be “2” perfect living masters” at any given time. But now I’m just getting into tedious detail.

Yes, if I had followed the Golden Rule I’d be a much more enlightened soul by now.

And I don’t think GSD or any of the Master stated there would be “2” perfect living masters” at any given time. But now I’m just getting into tedious detail.

Yes, if I had followed the Golden Rule I’d be a much more enlightened soul by now.

Posted by: Sonia Taylor | February 12, 2020 at 11:29 PM

Suprise suprise.... It's been said on occasions that there usually is more than one perfect master present. Unfortunately hidden.

@ 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈

What I wrote has nothing to do with God, prophets and mystics but what humans do with the "inner experiences" of these people.

Inner experiences are individual and cannot and should not be generalised.

You see besides the example I gave of Moses and The Prophet one can also look at the different occasions when people started there own branch of Sant mat, started to give initiations, based on the "commands" of the inner master. When asked if they verified that command with the outer master in Beas, they invariable say that there is no need to as, ...The outer master in Beas had said that the real thing is the inner master.

Again ...those who hear voices in their heads, do hear THOSE voices alone and nobody else. Nobody else hears the same voice, nor do others hear voices that tell them to obey what the first person said.

In fact, there is no difference between the content of dreams, hearing voices, BDE's, inner experiences artificial provoked by plant material. They are all individual and unique …. and … the source is the brain.

Thoughts and emotions do arise from the brain and so do inner experiences. We have no clue how the brain generates these contents.

You believe there is a God, based upon your experiences
Seeing God inside doesn't mean that there is a God making himself seen to you.
Naturaly it will be difficult for one who has it to think in that way

But … you have had your whole life these experiences that made you happy …. it just doesn't matter how these experiences came to be. The problem is not with you the receiver of the experience but with those to whom they are told and believe upon them as told.

See how many wars there issued from that believe in the words of these prophets … generation upon generation!!

@ 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈

As to point 3-5 …

Years ago I read an article of an neuro psychologist about his experiments related to the effects of deprivation of sensory stimuli on the brain … He found that if the brain, is deprived of these stimuli, the brain starts to create them, in order to survive.

Meditation is nothing but deprivation of these stimuli o manipulation of the brain.

High school of pleasure seeking. … it is also used in free floating tanks

In older days our ancestors believed in gods that created thunder etc until the time they came to understand it as a electromagnetic fenomena … that wil also happen for the fenomen in the brain soner or later

Hi Dera Inc
You write
"Ideally. Haha. Let's not talk of ideal(ly) for if initiates had ideally followed the path every single one would be an enlightened one."

Well, you must know, right?

Personally we have achieved the goal of our desires and now must pay the fees.

"The Gods grant the wishes of those they would destroy."

3) Does God need to tell humanity via prophets to heed his words? Does God need us? Or is it the other way around?

Sd/-

Sath_Path
Posted by: 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈 | February 12, 2020 at 10:10 PM

Both. The soul is part of God and must return to its source. The soul cannot die and every living thing has a soul. If we are part of God then his extension of himself must eventually return to himself. This is what he desires which is why he sends Saints and Mystics.

But I’m getting a little bit tired of having to argue over and over again that “God is Love”. If you choose not to believe that then I hope we can at least agree to disagree.

@🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈

A Master/Guru/Teacher that demands subservience, submission and full surrender from their followers while throwing spiritual threats at them such as they are “unworthy of God’s love”, “separate from a God who doesn’t need (care about them)” hasn’t learned what love is himself. So, how can he teach of love? And if you can teach about love then you can’t teach about God.

Perhaps “inheriting” wealth without having to work for it is not a very good system.

Being appointed master with the belief that you are karmaless/perfect/GIHF yet all your brothers and sisters are full of sins and separate from the divine and that you must make them submit to your will and ego in order to be allowed back to their heavenly home is diametrically opposed to God’s will.

What you are doing is diametrically opposed to God’s will. You need to learn what love is. You need to learn humility for yourself before you start lording your spiritual threats over the rest of the world whom you see as inferior.

Up until now you have been unwilling to hear the truth—that God IS love. Until you understand what that means you will be lost.

"the intent of taking verses of different prophets is to only highlight that at the core - there is only one message conveyed, across time and geography? "

No. The intent is to show that there is a secret thread connecting a few special personalities from each tradition, and that RSSB is the only one holding the secret right now.

If they were teaching that all religions are the same, they'd tell you to go fill and revive your crumbling churches instead of telling you to leave your religion.

"The soul cannot die and every living thing has a soul."

If you cut a worm in half, do the two halves then share one soul, or does a new soul enter one of the now separate "living things?"

"The Gods grant the wishes of those they would destroy."

Posted by: Spence Tepper | February 13, 2020 at 05:12 AM

Is this RSSB philosophy?

Sd/-

Sath_Path

@all

keep it simple

Gurinder got the "package containing Naam" 2distribute

further we know nothing
unless yo can see within

So, ..... seee rs . . . . Let's Vote. . . . OMG
after all Gurinder said : 4info read Brian Hines

LOL

777

@Brian

So U can prepare a voting form

a)
What region you have access ?
What was the highest yo were?

b)
Ever seen Gurinder in one of them?
In which region U saw HIM
recently

If Yes , Was there any communication?

c) Did U do Simran ?
d) Did U hear the Anabad Shabd.


LOL. ( makes mr think about Saligram )

Up until now you have been unwilling to hear the truth—that God IS love. Until you understand what that means you will be lost.
Posted by: Sonia Taylor | February 13, 2020 at 05:35 AM

Really....I can't help it if you want to extract some non existing content from my posts which allude to what God is or that God is not love.

Keep digging.

Sd/-

Sath_Path

If they were teaching that all religions are the same, they'd tell you to go fill and revive your crumbling churches instead of telling you to leave your religion.

Posted by: Jesse | February 13, 2020 at 05:55 AM

Kindly provide an extract of my post which mentions RSSB teaches all religions are the same.

Maybe for you there is no difference between teachings/message conveyed and religions that were built around them subsequently.

Also can someone confirm he/she has heard RSSB telling that Santmat requires initiates to give up their religions.

🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈

Charan :The Teachings make U understand your own religion

"The soul cannot die and every living thing has a soul."

If you cut a worm in half, do the two halves then share one soul, or does a new soul enter one of the now separate "living things?"

Posted by: Jesse | February 13, 2020 at 05:57 AM

We all share the same “soul”. Anything with life in it is sustained by the life giving force. Only minds are separate. Maybe the worm that is cut in half then has two minds and each goes their own way. I’m not expert on the mind.

We all share the same soul as disturbing as that me sound to some. It just shows we’re all equal and it’s the illusion of the mind that makes us think we’re separate. The mind (to be fair, the ego) loves to create hierarchies. The ego loves status and “specialness” and wants us to believe that some are holier than others.

In my experience, atheists in general are more attuned to the life force that we all share because they value this one life. They don’t perform acts of kindness for the sake of a better place in heaven or the reward of an afterlife. They seem to give more and care more about the earth we live in and have a strong understanding of the laws of karma—cause and effect because they want to make this one life as good as it can be. They don’t devalue this precious life we have.

That said, I do believe in God and an afterlife. But spiritual teachers who insist on creating hierarchies of love and hierarchies of the heavens are preaching from the ego.

No wonder people stop believing in God.

@ If you cut a worm in half, do the two halves then share one soul,
@ or does a new soul enter one of the now separate "living things?"

I hear tell there are no "new" souls... only "the one".

So, I'm just guessin', of course, but I'd say Master Soul
just grabs a beaker, spits a little DNA sample in, mixes
in a secret sauce of God only know what, and then
sprinkles a drop into the soul-less half. Voila!

One final blessing and a freshly minted soul drop heeds
God's Whisper to "be ye fruitful, bring forth abundantly
in the earth, and multiply therein."

Hi 🌜🌞💥💖🦸🦂🐸🤶😈

And please don't ask me to pronounce that!

You asked
"Is this RSSB philosophy?"
You'd have to ask a Secretary or Gurinder.

This is one of a few pithy aphorisms from Ambrose Bierce, who wrote, among other things, The Devil's Dictionary.

Here are, paraphrased, four lessons from history.... Which prove themselves over and over through time, including today...

1. The gods grant the wishes of those they would destroy.
2. The bee robs the flower of fertilizes.
3. As the sun grows brighter, shadows grow darker.
4. It is only in the darkness of night that the stars come out.

Sant Mat has elaborately complicated the very nature of God and the soul. It got the mind part half right. The very strong illusion of the first three realms is just purely symbolic of the ego. It’s like LSD—a lot of people shared the same experiences (for a while) because of the collective consciousness of a few who in a sense created those worlds. Many religions have their own versions of “the different levels of heaven” that they collectively created and their heavens are different from RS. This is the effect of indoctrination.

Then they try to go beyond that. The hierarchies of their “heavens” is a representation of the cultural norms of a caste system. It was that sort of mindset that instilled in them the belief that one must get back home traveling the realms of the ego. The higher mind is reason. And a reasonable person can see the absurdity of idol worship whether it’s an animate (animal or human) or inanimate object. Reverence and worship are two different things.

The soul/God/spirit/love/life force or whatever you want to call it is what gives life and connects us all. If you can recognize the difference between the ego and the mind then you can recognize truth.

This isn’t something that any RS Master will ever accept because then they would be out of a job.

It doesn’t matter what religion you belong to, what you’re spiritual beliefs are or if you don’t believe in God at all—everyone from nonbelievers to religious fanatics share similar NDEs, near death experiences. NDEs are essentially ego death.

When you place your self worth above or below anyone else, you are living by the ”laws of the ego”.

RS Masters don’t understand the difference between the ego and the mind.

Hi Um
You write
"Inner experiences are private and cannot be generalised and made into "carrots" for the rest of humanity withhout the consent of the lord and his advise to all to heed these private words."

The human body is much the same, so there is nothing wrong with sharing our inner experiences. If you visit somewhere on a vacation and say" this spot was really lovely, " other people may think" how nice. Glad you had a nice time. "

But share even the smallest of inner experiences and boy what emotional reactions," that can't be real! ".." Shhh keep that hidden! Do not speak such things! "..." He lies!! "

LOL

This is all the fault of religion.

Inner experiences are just another part of the natural world.

Who says "you must be close to God! You have visited Paris! You were born in Paris? You are Godlike!"

Or who says, "Paris?! Never mention that ever again! Be silent, Satan!"

God, how silly people are.

They make things scarce that are within reach. And even if they are not, still, they elevate such distant things that have no greater altitude. Just different geography.

RS Masters don’t understand the difference between the ego and the mind.

Posted by: Sonia Taylor | February 13, 2020 at 01:50 PM

Kindly share your beliefs about what is the mind and ego and the differences between the two. It would help if you also share the basis of this belief be it religious or scientic literature

No RSSB bullshit ya since RS Masters don’t understand the difference between the ego and the mind.

Hi Dera. Inc
You wrote
"misplaced belief that we know better than God/Master what's right or wrong for us."

If you believe your Master knows what's best for you, that someone else knows what's best for you, then why not you too?

Why don't you know what's best for you, Dera Inc?

And as for God/Master, who says your Master is God?

Did he say that?

Or are you saying that?

Hold on a minute, didn't you just say they know better?

Maybe they know something you don't. About themselves.

But about knowing yourself, shouldn't you?

As for the stage actor Gurus who do teach some wise teachings, who do give a good method of meditation, who do teach kindness and charity, humility and obescience to God, but who do not live by the same teachings....

"The bee robs the flower it fertilizes"

Often in the form of non-convertable unsecured Bank debentures...

RS Masters don’t understand the difference between the ego and the mind.

Posted by: Sonia Taylor | February 13, 2020 at 01:50 PM

Kindly share your beliefs about what is the mind and ego and the differences between the two. It would help if you also share the basis of this belief be it religious or scientic literature

No RSSB bullshit ya since RS Masters don’t understand the difference between the ego and the mind.

Posted by: Steve Kinsella | February 13, 2020 at 06:06 PM

Hi Steve,

I’m not going to quote specific texts from various religious traditions as the meaning of terms varies among different thought systems. Nor do I expect you to agree and understand what I’m saying but I’ll break it down as best I can.

The spirit encompasses everything. There is no part of existence where spirit that supports life does not exist. Some call the spirit the soul. Some call the soul the body. Some call the soul a drop in the ocean separate from God and some say the soul is an extension of God.

I’m getting really tired of the use of the word soul simply because it is defined so drastically differently among religions and spiritual philosophies.

There is no where that “God”/the life force/love does not exist. The space in between spaces is filled the life force that many call God.

So the “spirit” which I will define as God/love/life force is in every atom and permeates everything. The ego seeks to make us feel separate in every way imaginable. Separate from the spirit that sustains live. That Spirit is love. Without love nothing could live. The ego seeks to “destroy love” due to its own ignorance because the ego is not self realized. The ego is anger, fear, separation and will do anything—absolutely anything to preserve its own existence. However, because the ego is an illusion, the spirit/Love/God uses the higher mind to bring awareness to the true nature of life.

Only the higher mind can become self realized. The higher mind is consistent in truth and reason. It makes us aware of the spirit that permeates everything. The higher mind leads us to “God realization” or the realization that we are all connected by the same life force that could otherwise be called Love.

These are all just terms and words.

The just of this is, God/Love/Spirit permeates and connects everything. The ego is fear. The ego serves to preserve itself through separation. Spiritual teachers use the reason of the higher mind to show us the true nature of the ego so that we can escape the pain and suffering of separation that the ego demands.

As for the “soul” it’s a term used to loosely and differently among different religious traditions that it’s nature is hard to describe.

In Sant May the soul is separate from God “like drops in the ocean”. But God/Spirit cannot be divided or separated. Do you think a tree has its own soul? What about each individual leave on the tree? What about each fruit that grows on the tree and drops to the ground. Where does one soul begin and the other begin? If you believe the term soul applies to God then you must realize God cannot be separated. Every molecule contains the very essence of life that sustains is all much like air. We breath in. We breath out. The air that you exhale will be inhaled by another in many various forms.

The ego is fear and separation.
The higher mind is truth and self realization. The very self realization that leads us to the awareness that the Great Life Giving Spirit known as God and Love permeates everything. There is no place where “God” does not exist.

The ego is simply an illusion telling itself every lie imaginable to preserve its separateness.

My apologies for not proofreading that before I hit “Post”, but I think you can decider the typos.


Darshan

The Look of Love
Don't ever go
I love You SO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQuDaIbpA1g

777

Hey Sonia

I hear ya - nice to read something from someone with a similar take on what ‘soul’ is/is not and also from a RSSB initiate too.
I think the whole shebang throughout religious history particularly in the West has created a problem with this notion of a separated soul or ‘spark’ of the divine. Maybe its the word itself. It’s my view that many folk consider this soul thing to be an ‘entity’. It’s just taken for granted that ‘inside’ we are this entity somehow related to a bigger picture.
Religious teachings such as RSSB dogma built a whole system about giving this separate entity a way to be reconnected. This is a dualistic process.
Other traditions such as Buddhism keep the soul out of the process and concentrate (excuse the pun) on mind and realisation of such things as ‘anatta’ or no-self. In light of my own experience my interpretation is that the so-called separate soul is actually the self, small s (thought creation) rather than the Self, and that Self is the soul.
We are actually Soul not ‘a soul’. Soul is consciousness. As you say “There is no where that “God”/the life force/love does not exist. The space in between spaces is filled the life force that many call God.” While you may use different terms I think we are talking of the same thing. We are already IT, we only believe and think ourselves separated from it, as someone said EGO = Easing God Out. The so-called spiritual path is about realising we are not separate - ‘we’ never were.
Dogma of RSSB helps to strengthen the notion of separation imo. This is contradicted by the likes of GSD when he tells the likes of Osho Robbins that there is only the One, and on other occasions like when he said ‘Soul is the Truth’ - I was present when he said the latter.

While this involves some intellectualising, I consider that understanding and seeing/processing this stuff and letting go of (or at least investigating) strongly held ‘unquestioned’ belief in such things as separate souls, can only help us on the journey.
Came across a great term in the Recognition Sutras the other day that you might like: “Confabulating” - i.e. the inner commentator (who self-references and self-images constantly - i.e. the ‘self’) makes up plausible explanations for things, including one’s own behaviour, that actually have little to no basis in fact, while concealing to oneself that the explanation is fabricated. :-)
BFN

The issue of visiting higher regions is a real issue. But not because they exist in some non - physical space. It is an issue because we have lost the ability to see what is inside of our own body using the internal senses.

The brain can and does filter and amplify signals all the time. It filters out the internal signals below a certain level, and magnifies the rest of the sensory signals. Even to they point of becoming incredibly burdensome.

So closing our eyes we think nothing is there. We are plagued with thoughts, emotions and other triggers. But that is wrong. We need to learn to go within, to quiet the external senses and sensitize our awareness to the internal ones. The internal experience is rich. But most people simply haven't developed their own sensitivity to it.

And it is a place of bliss and peace.

When you shut off the signals from the senses, when you turn down the volume of thoughts, once the gain drops below a certain level, the brain itself shuts off those signals, switches on noise cancelation, and then an entire world comes to life. Then the internal signals get magnified. Aka, bell sound and flood of lights, model of the universe, flight through the stars, etc.. All part of the brain.

It's a skill, it's real, and it is largely physiological. And yes, most people can learn to adjust those controls and trigger those switches.

Turning down the gain on thoughts turns down the gain on anxiety.
And when that noise cancelling switch kicks in, the inner signals are magnified, become conscious. And it's all bliss, light and more.

When the brain shuts down all proprioception, the experience is weightless floating. It's great. And then the slightest inner experience of focus takes us to the object of our focus and it feels like being shot like a rocket of immense speed. Very small sensory signals, in the absence of external sensory input, when the external input is switched off, become huge sensory experiences.

Hi Tim,

Thanks so much for your comment! I understand completely what you are saying and couldn’t agree more.

Sometimes I am in a quandary as to what GSD himself believes vs the old RSSB dogma. Either way, I’m tired of arguing my viewpoint with the head honchos/inner circle at the Dera. I’m at peace with what I believe to be the truth. They say, there are beliefs and then there is certainty and those are two different things. One simply cannot prove to another their own truth so there’s no point in arguing about it.

Thanks again for your comment. I like your acronym for EGO—Edging God Out. That sums it up perfectly!

@ Religious teachings such as RSSB dogma built a whole system about giving
@ this separate entity a way to be reconnected.

Actually, I think RSSB mystics say we're already connected.
We never left. We simply lost awareness of our oneness.

There is no separate entity. It's the One diminishing its
awareness for a thrill-ride in duality. It simply blows the
mind trying to conceive of a One with Total Awareness
and diminished awareness as well. Immersed in duality,
we try to frame it conceptually as two separate "entities"
when it isn't.

The "dogma" is for the sake of the mind which wants some
"busy work" to feel important. You know, "work hard, simran
for 2+ hrs, plenty of seva, watch out for Kal!". The mind even
cooks up a few rules of its own such as: "put a pasty love-glow
on your face while listening to Master, simran counts even if
your thoughts are elsewhere, physical Master doesn't make
mistakes... no, not even innocent ones."

GSD is literally the only thing that has kept me attached to the path in one way or another even though so much of RSSB does not resonate with me. Sometimes I think that if I had had any other Master I could have walked away from Sant Mat and never given it another thought. I was in love with my Master and not the path. As weird as that may sound it’s true. But it’s not helpful.

Yep. I was in love with GSD. That’s messed up.

Not having kids is what drove me away from Sant Mat. I blamed that on him. It’s crazy but that’s what happened. Perhaps for the best... oh well. There is really nothing more for me to say about it. It’s part of my past.

The internal motivation behind diabetes: “Longing for what might have been. A great need for control. Deep sorrow. No sweetness left.”

According to my calculations Gurinder SIngh will leave this year.

Successor is someone from SIngapore.

According to my calculations Gurinder SIngh will leave this year.

Successor is someone from SIngapore.

Posted by: Rahul Singh | February 14, 2020 at 10:58 PM

Sorry but leave as in? - leave gurudom or Beas or India or world or......

Can you also calculate when I will leave and who / from where will be my successor?

"Kindly provide an extract of my post which mentions RSSB teaches all religions are the same.

Maybe for you there is no difference between teachings/message conveyed and religions that were built around them subsequently.

Also can someone confirm he/she has heard RSSB telling that Santmat requires initiates to give up their religions."


It's implied that the religions are the same when you say " at the core - there is only one message conveyed, across time and geography" which I guess you cut and paste from a RS book and which I quoted the first time. Only one core message being conveyed sorta means THE SAME. What difference is the outer stuff if the CORE MESSAGE IS THE SAME? One message. ONE MESSAGE= THE SAME MESSAGE. ONE can't be different from itself. Goodness f****ing god. Why do I have to explain your words to you? The "religions built around them" are the conveyed message to everyone who isn't part of RSSB and other reality-denying cults.

But actually, the core message of these religions isn't the same like rssb and others say. They just conveniently quote mine for passages in various religious books that sound similar regardless of what those religions teach. Normal non-cultish people recognize it as being extremely arrogant.

And joining sant mat necessarily requires one to leave their own religion unless of course you're a Hindu. I can't be a Muslim and also worship and/or call Gurinder Singh Dhillon a prophetmessanger/guru etc as is required to be part of RSSB. The concept of Christ being God and the eucharist being the method of worship is non-negotiable in Christianity.No Gurus allowed. Christians have their own Saints, none of them are non-Christian Punjabi businessmen. There are no accepted gurus in Judaism. There is no passage in the Torah giving one an exemption to worship foreign godmen and do non-Judaic worship of non-Hashem gods.

Sadly Brian has banned insults, because you know what you deserve right now.

Thank you Tim!
I think you naled it,about the teachings of Santmat.
My fear was the teachings..
So I became splitted because of love for Maharaji..
And later also differently for Babaji..it really was a different sort..
But anyways..the teachings brought fear and separation..
They tell/told often also about the pangs of separation..
While the teachings brought just that in..
So I experienced that at times ..especially in Maharaji's period of time.

Hey Dungeness

Great comment. ‘There is no separate entity. It's the One diminishing its
awareness for a thrill-ride in duality’ - like it. Be a fine quote!

I kind of agree with you that RSSB ‘mystics’ say we never left particularly when they state such things like ‘Love is becoming another being’ etc.

What I still don’t get is why there’s so much emphasis on: - ‘Look mate, I made you separate from me and kicked you out of here, now it’s your job to earn my help to get your sorry arse back here. If you’re lucky (as I’m not in any real hurry) you may manage to do this after struggling through 4 lifetimes’.

Recipe for staunch believers!

https://youtu.be/6uWCNHQgfnc

@ But spiritual teachers who insist on creating hierarchies of love and
@ hierarchies of the heavens are preaching from the ego.

I think we create our own hierarchies and then ascribe them to
the teacher. The teachers' handouts are just playthings for crying
children. The child remains absorbed in them before his nap.

Handouts can only hint at the fragrance of a transcendent reality.
They're metaphors for a reality which must be experienced
within. But the child literalizes them. He's tunnel-visioned. He sees
only rules and "thou shalt and thou shalt not' on stone tablets.

It carries into adulthood. We prefer daily rituals, priests to give
absolution, dramas, foils to shout at when things go wrong.
These are our playthings. We hold them fast... the things
outside so near and dear. One day we finally tire of them.

The Fuck-it Bucket might just be the Holy Grail for people left disillusioned by spirituality. If you’re full of holes does that make you a holy person? I’m going to go with yes for now.

http://www.rebellesociety.com/2014/03/21/your-new-life-philosophy-the-fuck-it-bucket/

“What Is the Fuck-It Bucket? Good question.

The Fuck-It Bucket is a rhyming mantra of magic that will revolutionize your world, if you let it.

Let it!

The Fuck-It Bucket is a tongue-in-cheek, heart-in-mouth philosophy of life that will improve your future, if you permit it.

Permit it!

The Fuck-It Bucket is a no nonsense, hilarity-promoting, adventure-assisting, stress-relieving framework that will enhance your existence, if you allow it.

Allow it!

The Fuck-It Bucket is the bastard child of Shit happens and Don’t worry, be happy.”

Uh, oh. Don’t be a “None”. You’d be better off being an actual nun or an atheist. According to research, conviction gives meaning and purpose—atheist or believer. I guess the rudderless-I-don’t know-doldrums are potentially perilous sailing through the dense fog of mental illness in whatever form it may present itself—depression, anxiety or anything else listed in the DSMV 5.

If I could escape the world and live the life of a monk or a nun I’d do it in a heartbeat. But I’ve got this thing called a husband... oh, and the cat. But most importantly, I’m tied to my dog. God or my dog? 🤔

The No None Nonsense article link:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201812/the-mental-health-atheists-and-the-nones

Here’s a little prayer I’ve adopted recently:

Thank you, oh Heavenly Father for Big Pharma. Seeing as life is short and humans are inclined to be full of doubts you have sent these pharmaceutical messengers into the world to provide us with the science that has given birth to a multitude of formulas otherwise known as “sanity in a bottle”. And thank you for Temples of Pharmacy working 24/7 delivering hope and goodwill.

Perhaps one day a wholey being will deliver us from these potions of promise, but until then I think you’re doing a bang up job.

Amen.

''It carries into adulthood. We prefer daily rituals, priests to give
absolution, dramas, foils to shout at when things go wrong.
These are our playthings. We hold them fast... the things
outside so near and dear. One day we finally tire of them. ''
Dungness.

I agree here with you..
In fact some mantra can be helpfull and good also for focus.

When feeling the ''Oness'' or God ''inside oneselves and all around''
Then nothing is really to do..
It's already there..
Sadana ,awareness gives focus that's for sure.
But the all the time talking about karma and chaurasi,is not so good imo.
Love compassion peace strength being'' vulnarable''has also his place in being humble..
Some thoughts..

Today I was in satsang and I loved to be there..
Felt love and understanding..
It was like coming home actually..
I was also touched by hearing about Babaji..
Some things just happen..

Once upon a time, a young man decided to leave his homeland and go to learn from the great teacher Jalaluddin Rumi in Konya. After weeks of arduous travel, he finally reached the outskirts of Konya and saw a gracious presence walking toward him. The young man knew in his heart that this was Pir Jalaluddin. The young man dropped to his knees in prostration before this great teacher whom he had been seeking, but as he arose, he found Pir Jalaluddin was prostrated in the dirt in front of the young man.

Amazed and embarrassed, the young man again prostrated himself, and again when he arose, Pir Jalaluddin was again prostrated before him. This happened over and over and over and over again until the exasperated young man finally said "Why are you, my teacher, prostrating yourself in the dust before me, a mere seeker?"

To which Pir Jalaluddin simply replied "If I did not show you my nothingness, what would I be useful for?"


Quite a remarkable insight isn't it?? ... to be useful for our nothingness!

What a magnificent antidote to the ego's preoccupation with "I", "me" and "mine"!

“Even if we are not all drawn to tread the path of the mystic, we need to be reminded that this note of divine love belongs to all of us. In a time of so much division in the world, it is important to reclaim this primal truth that belongs to our heritage: this great song of the soul that celebrates the oneness that is within the heart of each of us and underlies all of creation. This has particular relevance when we confront our present ecological crisis. We can no longer afford to think of the environment as something separate, outside of us. We need an awareness of the “oneness of being” of which we are all a part, and actions that come from this awareness. This awareness of unity is one of the most important contributions of the mystic at this moment in time.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mysticism-living-loves-oneness_b_1304518

Today I was in satsang and I loved to be there..
Felt love and understanding..
It was like coming home actually..
I was also touched by hearing about Babaji..
Some things just happen..

Posted by: s* | February 16, 2020 at 08:19 AM

I’m happy you had that experience. 🙂

The idea of soul is that underneath all our differences the best and purest part of ourselves, the real life within us, is actually identical. We are basically the same, children of the same Father. And this soul is incorruptible. We can become corrupted, because mind can be conditoned by our environment. We move through age and age influenced by the stages of life. But soul is beyond conditioning in this physical world. Beyond the temptations and corruptions of time.

It's a beautiful concept. The idea that the purest thing on earth is within us, and we can learn to awaken that purity, become conscious of it, even become aware of that, and think and act from the soul, rather than the body or mind. Or you could call it higher mind.

Conceptually, it's like a tennis player imaging a beam of light from their racket to the desired destination spot on their opponent's side. It helps the player focus and coordinates all their muscles to actually serve the ball to that exact spot. Of course there is no actual beam of light. But visualizing it coordinates a complex number of unconscious and even autonomic muscle and movement controls.

So the idea of our soul, the focus on the soul, even as a part of the creator, part of the Master or the Lord of all, has its effect to set our values and our actions high, and gives us a solid platform of faith to carry us through the vagaries of life. It is the very basis of brotherhood.

And thank you for Temples of Pharmacy working 24/7 delivering hope and goodwill.

I guess the Indian non-touching each other mentality
adds greatly to the not being corona affectedness

Perhaps the delicious spicy food helps too

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So the idea of our soul, the focus on the soul, even as a part of the creator, part of the Master or the Lord of all, has its effect to set our values and our actions high, and gives us a solid platform of faith to carry us through the vagaries of life. It is the very basis of brotherhood.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | February 17, 2020 at 12:28 AM

Yes... sometimes communication breaks down simply because of the different meanings ascribed to the same word by different groups.

Obviously we can’t “purify” the soul because it’s that part of us and all creation that is perfectly pure to begin with. It is our connection to the Dive Life and Lights that permeates everything (AKA, God).

So, the shadow ego of selfishness in its darkest sense should be placed in the light so that the mind can be purified. And once that happens we realize we are truly spirit—connected divine light.

Rephrasing things is like looking at a piece of art—a sculpture—from every angle. :)

Thank you very much Sonia!
You never go to satsang?

<3

Beautiful post Spence..

<3

I guess the Indian non-touching each other mentality
adds greatly to the not being corona affectedness

Perhaps the delicious spicy food helps too

7

Posted by: 💥 | February 17, 2020 at 05:53 AM

Ummm... yeah. Add to that, Indians have a stronger immune system in general. If you can bathe in the Ganges... Jesus

I attribute this to India’s higher fertility rates too. But don’t ask me for the science on that. I don’t feel like doing the digging.

https://www.natureasia.com/en/nindia/article/10.1038/nindia.2008.254

https://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/hotter-better-spicy-foods-can-boost-health/

And, maybe you haven’t noticed but Indians are quite “touchy” just not so much with members of the opposite sex in public.

So the idea of our soul, the focus on the soul, even as a part of the creator, part of the Master or the Lord of all, has its effect to set our values and our actions high, and gives us a solid platform of faith to carry us through the vagaries of life. It is the very basis of brotherhood.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | February 17, 2020 at 12:28 AM

Yes. In Sant Mat they say the mind is a terrible Master but a good servant. I guess that’s one way of putting it. But it helps me to understand it better realizing that the ego is “the terrible Master” and the Mind is the “good servant”.

Sometimes I think we’re all pretty close to being on the same page except for the fact that so many things get lost in translation. I guess ever since the (mythical) Tower of Babel on fell we’ve all been trying to sift through and make sense of a lot of psycho babble.

The Old Testament talks about how language divided man (Genesis story of Babel) and The New Testament talks about the “Word”. I know the meanings of each aren’t literal and aren’t even compared in the Bible but I think it speaks to how easily divided we can become due to poor communication.

A lot of times married couples fight about things over and over again only to wind up in front of a therapist that helps them realize they just suck at communicating. Sometimes they were actually on the same page to begin with...

One big fight leads to a lot of small petty fights and the divide grows deeper and wider. This happens in families, communities, countries...

Thank you very much Sonia!
You never go to satsang?

<3

Posted by: s* | February 17, 2020 at 07:15 AM

I do on special occasions. Of course, someone on here is going to tell me that every satsang is a special occasion. I have a lot to work through. I realize now that part of me will never be able to “walk away” but my beliefs are different. The love is there and always will be (despite EVERYTHING). I don’t love the Master out of fear or obligation. I just love him. So, that makes it kind of weird and probably incredibly annoying for him. He can’t control me but I won’t “leave”. I’m not really trying to change that fact anymore. I’m just trying to accept it—whatever it means. I think most people love the master out of fear or because they want something in return. As obnoxious and miserable as I may be in his mind at times, at least my love is genuine.

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