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Sonia so now it
Sounds like you are going for yourself. At this point it’s your own need. Good for you. If you don’t go to the meetings then use the time in meditation. It’s all good.

Sounds like the metaphor of the fish hooked by the snoz is right, thrashabout as it might, now the master is reeling the wee fishy back in...no point fighting it.

Papa don’t breach - wasn’t that a madonna number.

@Sonia

If it was only "sitting" we had even on this blog only happy campers

After all, meditation with Simran must generate some Love For the Beloved Enemy ( haha )
in your case
If I was U, . . . I would just submit a little & ask That Boon in April

I was two times very angry moments towards Charan long ago
little bit like Arjuna expressed here
it might be different for a woman
Seek that second

777

Sounds like the metaphor of the fish hooked by the snoz is right, thrashabout as it might, now the master is reeling the wee fishy back in...no point fighting it.

Papa don’t breach - wasn’t that a madonna number.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | January 21, 2020 at 02:48 PM

Yeah, Madonna... my teens

Just for you: a heartwarming story
https://youtu.be/tcXU7G6zhjU

@Georgy,

The story of Saving Valentina was sort of a different take on the nautical way of looking at how He saves. Freeing from the mind to allow the soul to swim in the Great Ocean.

@777

Wow, I didn’t realize you had your own struggles with your master. I guess I just assumed people either embraced Sant Mat 100% or not at all. And then just a minority of “testers” who want to believe but never fully trust anyone let alone a turban wearing, jet setting guru. 😝 I’m a tester... 😐

What Humpback Whales Can Teach Us About Compassion

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/what-humpback-whales-teach-us-compassion-180964545/

Papa G,

I see a Satguru as being compassionate. He would have to be.

Growing up in the South it was a pretty common practice to get beaten with a belt when you did something wrong. Apparently my mom and dad had very high expectations of their children’s behavior. My brother and I got beaten with a belt at least twice a week for something or another from the time we could walk. And most of the time when one of us did something wrong they would go ahead and beat the other kid just to teach us both a lesson. But here’s the kicker, in my family, it was a tradition over many generations on my dad’s side that if you started to cry when you were being hit with the belt then you would continue to get hit until you stopped crying. They thought that would toughen you up. And, Jesus God, it certainly did.

By the time my younger brother came along I think the state had outlawed it. It’s actually illegal to do that today. But in the South it was “spare the rod, spoil the child”.

You want to guess what happened? My older brother and I grew up with terrible tempers and an inability to cry. It’s almost impossible for me to cry even to this day and that’s not healthy. It’s not mentally or physically healthy. My parents regret it now seeing as my younger brother turned out so well (oh great). And I knew I wouldn’t use that as a punishment for kids.

When you’re taught that you will continue to be beaten until you suppress the tears and the pain... well, you wind up rebelling against any sort of authority figure perceived as being harsh. My younger brother wasn’t treated that way and he really has his shit together.

Moral of the story, growing up in the South was a bitch for a lot of reasons. Parents didn’t take shit from their kids. “Talking Back” was a big no no. God help you if you ever interrupted or tried to defend yourself when your parents were lecturing you. You’d get a swift smack in the face. And just a hint of sarcasm would result in the same punishment. It wasn’t till we were much older that we resolved our relationships with our parents. My story isn’t unique in the least (except for the “beat you till you stopped crying” but). Did it make us stronger? No. No just made us fierce fighters. Like my parents were raising us to be mercenaries or something.

My parents honestly thought they were doing the right thing. Churches were very tough and stern back then. At least half of my friends had the same type of discipline.

The point is, I’m not going to take spiritual advice from someone like that. Because the whole reason my older brother and I both search for spirituality is to find something that actually resembles God’s love. Not the kind of “love” that our parents and school teachers showed. It’s funny in a sad way... you’d get sent to the principals office if you misbehaved in class and he was allowed to beat you with this paddle he had hanging on the wall in his office. Luckily, my teachers weren’t as strict as my parents.

We were told a lot of effed up shit from the Bible. The same Bible that said God is love. Discipline is one thing. Harshness is bullshit.

My younger brother never had to search... he wasn’t a rebel and always did the right thing. He wasn’t angry like we were.

And this isn’t me feeling sorry for myself. It’s just how things were done in the South when my older brother and I were kids. If anything it taught me how to take the blows and keep fighting. But it didn’t teach me how to stop fighting.

You may think I’m “too soft” but unfortunately I’m not. Just ask my husband or anyone who knows me well.

His family was the same though. His aunts tell me that his father would beat him and his brother to within an inch of their lives. All in the name of “love” and what was best for the child. And they were Satsangis! Needless to say their boys were always in fights at school, always in trouble... But, honestly I don’t think his parents were as strict as mine. My husband said his dad would beat him until he cried and then stop. Kinda different.

And this is why I look for a teacher with compassion... there has to be a better way to parent kids and teach people. Scare tactics won’t get sincere results. Not from me. Not ever.

Don’t get me wrong, sometimes I’m actually thankful my parents trained me to be so strong. I’ve been in a lot of situations where I’m quite proud that I wasn’t able to give someone the satisfaction of seeing cry. I really think my mom and dad (mostly my dad) just wanted me to be strong. And it helps to have that ability in a lot of situations where you’re able to actually switch off physical pain along with any tears.

Maybe that’s what Master is trying to do for me. Maybe he’s just trying to make me stronger. However, there are some unfortunate “side effects” to the extreme tough approach.

When you beat a dog he’ll eventually obey. But don’t act surprised if he bites you at some point.

You know, Baba Ji is ruler of all the heavens. He’s been to Sach Khand. He’s gone higher than anyone else on earth and is probably the most spiritually advanced person on earth but he’s not all sweet and lovey dovey. That type of sweetness is surely weakness. Being sweet and nice to people won’t get you to heaven so I’ll stop even trying or wasting my time with that bullshit. I want to be more like Baba Ji. I want to be really tough and not take any shit from anyone.

I would tear down the old Satsangar and put up a parking lot. That would be hilarious! People would so pissed off but it would teach them. And I’d make all the Westerners stay at the Serai or whatever it’s called with all the locals so they could learn their lessons about how their first world problems have made them so spiritually weak. And I’d take out all the snack bars. People are getting too fat and aren’t focused on their meditation. And then I’d make all the westerners line up with the rest of the Indians and sit in the back without those comfy seat cushions. How weak. Westerners need seat cushions. So ridiculous. And evening meetings! Good God, they’re so spoiled with those movie style comfy chairs and then they have the nerve to cry and whine about all their petty first world problems! I don’t know how Baba Ji does it. He truly is a saint. No one but a perfect master could put up with all of that whining. Yes, Baba Ji is God. He is a perfect master. He’s shown us that Sach Khand is our goal. Not being all sweet and nice and making people feel good. That’s just a waste of time when you could be meditating.

Burn the books! Put up parking lots! Build more iron statues to really put the fear of God unto everyone and don’t let another person dare say Charan was sweet. Charan let people run all over him. Not Baba Ji. Baba Ji is strong. He’s tough. He doesn’t waste time with useless niceties.

I want to be exactly like him. I’d be a real bitch if a guru. I’d teach people a lesson. Meditate and stop your stupid whining. I don’t want to hear your problems. There are people with much bigger problems than yours!

Love won’t get you to heaven. Only meditation. God doesn’t whether you act like an asshole or not. He only cares that you sit for 2 and half hours a day every day. And if you do that then all your karmas will be erased and whatever else you do in this life won’t matter—good or bad.

Right, Gurus Inc/Deras Inc/Sevadars Inc/🌜🌝💥💖🦸🏼 🦂 🐸 🤶 😈/Georgy/Jen from Austin??

Yes, I’m thoroughly pissed off.

@Sonia

If it was only "sitting" we had even on this blog only happy campers

After all, meditation with Simran must generate some Love For the Beloved Enemy ( haha )
in your case

Posted by: 😄 7 😄 | January 21, 2020 at 04:03 PM

But like the Great Master used to say, if you can't bring me your success, bring me your failures.

And these days Babaji saying..... Baitho. Mann lagge ya naa lagge. - Just sit whether you do end up doing simran or fail at it.

There cannot be more leniency than this from the Master

""". Wow, I didn’t realize you had your own struggles with your master. """

It was like "good make sex" in meditation, I mean It growed immensely

So these clashes you had can grow it like that
but we must submit . . next we see the world ( what happened ) from the top of a mountain

I told a lot in many comments here and can't repeat all that
but see/google one @
777+vivaldi
or
777+romein
both about poly location of our Lover
do it in the little frame above here

it might inspire

777

Hi All, and any other Soul Traveler that has the Map to where our “True Home” really is located, where we were, before we traveled here to this “Far Country” to become Prodigal Sons, ending up like this Man, suffering, yet still not wanting to leave, because of still, after living to be 97 years young, doesn’t know any place better to go!
https://youtu.be/qX6NztnPU-4
I feel sorry for him, because I think we ALL are much closer to his position, if we live that long, regarding what we write, preach, share, with others, while hiding our real realities beneath our Earth suits and masks! We write and share what we imagine, not realities! But who among us are absolutely certain that there really is, a True Home, where we are destined to return, where we no longer need to compete for survival, love, etc., among the unending things thrust upon us the moment we were ejected out of the Womb and have been competing to survive to avoid the Tomb?
In Meditation this morning, I projected a real important question, to my Higher Soul Self,.........IF,......Jim is really a Missionary sent to scout just where such a True Home could possibly be, for this spirit that uses the Consciousness animating the Entity tapping these keys right now, Asking for the location of such a True Home, on any map, where I, Jim, could travel to, and remain, for Eternity, where I could never again be rejected, by any other Entity, nor be forced to compete, for every thing all other entities also strive for, and don’t know where to find it.
Keeping it real, I don’t know about any other Reader here, but speaking for my self, If there is such a Place as Heaven, Paradise, or any of the other places Religions and Sects claim is where only THEY, the “saved” ones, like them, of course go, than in my 78 years, I have yet to know of such a place where I would choose any group of like minded people I have ever met, to spend Eternity with , that would make me feel like I would never want to leave again. I obviously was never in such a place ever, or I would have never chosen to leave.

Thoughts?
Jim Sutherland

Heart of gold Papa G in da house to answer any substance abuse issues.

Beatings with a belt - yep not dissimilar to my culture. Personally, I don’t quite understand why anyone would beat someone smaller or weaker. That said my mother, who was normally v kind, would regularly fly into 50kgs of furious cussing rage and beat the shit out of us boys with anything to hand (I tried to argue it was uncalled for, but truth be told it probably wasn’t, since I drove her batshit crazy mostly). Let us not blame others Sonia.

The only good news is if you were quick you could sidestep the wooden spoon and let her mistakenly whack her mother standing next to you instead. This led to an akward moment and potentially a worse beating later, but you ask what is my point - be fast.

Maybe old school no bad thing. Have you ever experienced the same degree of love from anyone else despite the stricter generational attitude?

Nowadays there are a few children who are raised perfectly without such strictness, but it is rare and requires v skillful parenting. But it seems to me that there are an awful lot of self-entitled little shits running around, who maybe mighta benefited hugely from a little mcenroe backhander - don’t you think?

But why you wanna bite the guru - has he ever belted you or done anything that is not in your best interests?

You know that getting sloshed at the bottom of a barrel is wrong, you might not like being brought up on it, and prefer instead to hold hands kissy-kissy kum ba ya rot instead, but it’s not reality. Guru gives you the medicine, do you want to take it or not? Why bite the hand that helps you.

@JIM
wrote
Jim is really a Missionary sent to scout just ....

Jim I would really stop it
with few years try ONLY to find that place, which U can do
ONLY by believing Simran has that Power , next do ONLY that

The Sant Mat Point is to really believe THIS
To become Simran, next who gave it to you

Get rid of a heaven to reside in with 'thoughts" about who's coming in next also ...... so false

Sach Khand is BEING Sach Khand and we can arrive in that
subjective time_non_time Space_time of enjoyment and see that everything is OK
by proper RS meditation , . . not contemplation

(Same 4me & 4Sonia and WhoNot)

777

Don’t think it helps any to complain about parents and how they maybe fkd up. If you look at others, often your problems pale in comparison. Surely they did the best they could and what they felt was right at the time, despite maybe being a bit misguided - but who actually knows what is best? I watch my sister’s one pal, attractive young single mother, useless, lets her junior get away with blue bloody murder - I say a wee Jonny mac backhander might just be what little Harry needs, maybe even we get your dad involved.

But yeah we didn’t have a physically abusive pa - just as well cos he was a tank. He wasn’t into all that tough love and making a man of you, and hitting kids or women - more of a slow-burn temper. Hard to piss him off, Krakatoa eruption when you did.

At some stage you just got to take responsibility for yourself - no one else to blame really.

Georgy,

You would be a much tougher person yourself if your parents had raised you right and taught you not to cry.

You try to be tough but you’re such a princess. And I’m sure Baba Ji slapped his wife and kids around some. That’s socially acceptable in the Punjab.

Good God, toughen up Georgy! Don’t go getting all soft on me.

I think you got me all wrong. I’m thankful to my parents for the way they raised me. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger is very true.

But I think that if you’re truly strong then you don’t need all these first world comforts. True gurus don’t need first world comforts. You can fly coach, sit on the ground and clean your own house as well as cook your own food. You shouldn’t need to be pampered. Jesus, the idea that someone needs a back rub every day just from sitting is sad... truly weak. Such a princess.

My new nickname for you is Princess George. And you can call me Biatch. But you gotta say it gangsta style in your head. 👍 You gotta say it with respect.

Leo with Taurus rising... alien 👽

Hi Jim,

You ask: "But who among us are absolutely certain that there really is, a True Home, where we are destined to return."

Our destiny is such a mystery. According to Zen...

"For Zen, man is the goal; man is the end unto himself. God is not something above humanity, God is something hidden within humanity. Man is carrying God in himself as a potentiality."

"Although never actually denying the existence of the gods, Buddhism denies them any special role. Their lives in heaven are long and pleasurable, but they are in the same predicament as other creatures, being subject eventually to death and further rebirth in lower states of existence.
They are not creators of the universe or in control of human destiny, and Buddhism denies the value of prayer and sacrifice to them.
Of the possible modes of rebirth, human existence is preferable, because the deities are so engrossed in their own pleasures that they lose sight of the need for salvation. Enlightenment is possible only for humans."

"You don't look out there for God,
something in the sky,
you look in you."

But why you wanna bite the guru - has he ever belted you or done anything that is not in your best interests?

You know that getting sloshed at the bottom of a barrel is wrong, you might not like being brought up on it, and prefer instead to hold hands kissy-kissy kum ba ya rot instead, but it’s not reality. Guru gives you the medicine, do you want to take it or not? Why bite the hand that helps you.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | January 22, 2020 at 09:59 AM

Oh no, Baba Ji has been nothing but kind to me. He’s always looked out for my best interest.

LOL 😂 we never had any kum ba ya shit growing up in my household. You’re hilarious. We were taught to be polite. Be respectful all the time but no huggy huggy bullshit. And no one in my house cried. Ever. It was seen as unnecessary and showed you couldn’t control your emotions. Some cultures cry at the drop of a hat. Like Indian women and Latinos. I’m not racist, I’m just pointing out the differences. I get so uncomfortable at the Dera when someone gets up to ask a question and just starts crying. I get really uncomfortable around people crying in general. My adult brain that has matured a little tells me it’s OK but all I can think when someone starts crying in front of me is ‘pull yourself together’. I’m like, I’m sorry your sad but can you go stand over there till you quit crying. For me, it’s only acceptable to cry if someone you really loved just died or if you just been told by your doctor that you have a terminal illness and you’re going to die OR if the person you love just cheated on you or left you. And if I’m in a store and a kid starts crying I have to leave. One time at the Dera just after leaving morning Satsang, I saw an Indian grandmother slap her 5 year old (I’m guessing his age) grandson because he was thirsty and wanted a drink of her water. I felt empathy for the woman because it appeared obvious to me that she was very frustrated and unhappy with her life. She probably was the victim of domestic violence herself. But I didn’t like the kid crying so I just stood there and stared at the both of them making it obvious I was annoyed at the situation. Then a teenage girl came and picked the boy up and carried him off. Stopped his crying. We weren’t allowed to cry as kids. We didn’t have temper tantrums in public. If you want to know how to control your kids behavior in public, just call my parents or anyone raised in the Appalachian South.

Don’t get me wrong, I have cried a few times in my life—mostly alone. Can’t remember when/if ever I cried in public. It’s annoying as all hell when people do.

Last weekend my oldest niece who is Latino just started balling because she was in trouble for a few things and she said she was so hurt that she had disappointed. I told her that was ridiculous, that she could never disappoint me. I was just simply trying to encourage her not to hang out with certain people and to get her grades up. She had four A’s but two D’s!!!

Anyway, it was awkward, and since my husband knows that I can’t handle crying he came rushing in and said, step out of the way I’ll handle this. Then he just put his arms around her and hugged her till she stopped sobbing. After she had calmed down I told she was crazy to think I’d ever be disappointed in her and that I thought she was simply amazing but just trying. Sorry, that was the best I could do. It’s a good thing I never had kids.

And btw, hugging wasn’t a thing in my family. My mother never yelled at me. She spanked with the belt when I was in trouble and she was very strict but I think the first time we hugged (if you don’t count being held as a baby) was when I was in my early twenties. I went up to give her a hug and she was very awkward about it. But my parents aren’t the same people today that they were when we were kids. Not so much anyway... they’ve mellowed. We’re sort of the parents now. It’s weird.

I always knew they loved me but we didn’t hold hands or any shit like that.

Have you seen the movie The Report? It’s about CIA off-site torture cover up. Well, Gina Haspel is from the same small area that my dad’s family is from. I love Gina. I can tell you why she is the way she is—because BOTH her parents were from that area. Every kid was raised to be tough. Those were tough people. An area where most people earned their living working in the coal mines. Baptist country. Nobody fuckin’ drank! And if they did they hid it in flask like it was bootlegged moonshine (which it probably was). Anyway, I get why Gina did what she did. I used to have the very same harsh attitude towards injustice. Dead serious. I was exactly like that. But as I got older and after a very intense spiritual experiences my attitude about everything totally shifted. I’m 180 degrees different in my beliefs about torture and just deserts than I was back then. She’s still my hero though and I think she regrets what happened. Probably because they discovered that torture was as effective as they had hoped (it doesn’t really work) and because most of the 119 people tortured weren’t guilty in the first place. Hindsight’s 20/20.

You know why I gravitate towards your personality and Gurinder’s? Because it’s very familiar to me. And we all feel comfortable around what’s familiar. But then I have this inner conflict where I decided against punishment, torture, harshness. So I act a little “schizo” go back and forth between what’s familiar, comfortable, relatable to what my adult mind decided against.

I was being a total bitch when I said Baba Ji probably slapped his wife around some. Maybe it happened on rare occasions, maybe it didn’t. But it’s hard for me to imagine a marriage anywhere where it didn’t happen at least once. My husband is awesome. He has a heart of gold, he is so unbelievably hard working and generous and so dedicated to being the best Satsangi he can be. But one time we were arguing about something that issue for several months and he finally just lost it. He walked up to me and slapped me as hard as he possibly could. My head didn’t even turn. I couldn’t feel the pain. I didn’t shed a tear or act surprised. I just said, is that the best you can do. He broke down and started balling. He was a wreck. I walked away disgusted. And I thought to myself, thanks mom and dad. Seriously, it didn’t even hurt. All that happened was my face went numb. But he’s a good husband. He really is. We all have our moments.

Anyway, you really gotta get of this kick of thinking I’m so soft. In my core there’s nothing soft about me. But in my more evolved adult brain I’ve worked hard at being “soft”. It seems to get better results.

Don’t ever call me soft or accuse me of being all kum ba ya huggy huggy again.

Just BTW, I hope everyone realizes that all my comments from 2:05 am - 3:30 am were pure sarcasm. Overboard sarcasm perhaps.

Regardless, I ain’t no princess.

I don’t sing kum ba fuckin’ya.

I can’t wait for my trip to the Dera. I’m going to make it spectacularly memorable event.

Princess Georgy says it don’t take no tough guy to beat kids or women, with a belt or otherwise - often it’s the opposite.

Don’t sound like you so tough anyway cos you the one continuously bitching about it, and presumably how it’s messed your life up. I didn’t raise the issue, you did, presumably cos we gotta feel sorry for you or something. Kum ba ya me lord kum ba ya.

What’s past is past. Move on. Stay off the sauce.

All this talk about who I used to be makes me feel like my soul has gone back to the dark side again. I’m gonna have to watch loads of videos about animals saving other animals to get all this dark shit out of my brain.

Anyone in any religion or philosophy, political party or gender identity, can follow the true teachings of love and spirituality learning from a true Saint, their beloved friend.

And for that there must be true Saints in every religion, and also Saints not in any religion. There are true Saints sent right from the Father who are Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, Republicans and Communists.

And the teachings they give are the Word, the living water. They are the living water. Yet they may never mention Sant Mat or Radha Soami or any formal labels or the five words or even the descriptions of the several regions and even the highest they live at within themselves.

They might mention some saying or other from their teacher, or Christ, Buddha, or any popular figure from the past. They might share what they consider wisdom from books of the past. But it is only stated as something that appeals to them. They like it, they believe it, but it's just a personal choice.

They are masters of the path of sound and light born into that condition. They are Masters because it is who they are.

The Lord has sent them to give this to others. Yet they never presume to say so. They carry no titles at all. They advocate no formal system of practice, and nothing distinct from the religion they were raised in or the philosophy of any system. They just have their personal practice that works for them. And they encourage their friends to reach fourth on their own journey and find a system that works for them.

The path of love is universal. Their friends connect with them through love, and this is how they come to learn about their lifestyle and habits. And by that love, adopt similar habits, similar active prayer, active meditation which they see, are drawn to and choose of their own personal will to adopt. They follow out of love. A love that generates a deeper interest in their friend.

There is no promise of an afterlife. They may speak of God in the simplest of terms... The vague, mysterious and wondrous divinity they witness within themselves and all around them in the creation. And this is love.

They may share their connection, their belief in an everlasting existence. But they hardly give any details to it. How would an Atheist share such a belief? In the simplest and vaguest terms.


And they never tell anyone to worship them within. They don't say "worship the Master, focus on the Master," actually referring to themselves. That would be placing themselves between God and their friends. They would never, never, never presume to do such a thing but allow their friends to indulge in such things. They would consider it to be an insult to the divine. Nor do they use the reference to other past Masters as the example to leverage their friends to worship them.

Their friends automatically see them within, naturally associate them with divinity, but their focus is on the invisible light and the silent inner music of the divine. And that is only so because they are brought to this automatically in simple prayer. And in the company of their friend. This is the true path of love.

Their friend doesn't indulge in even labeling anyone a true Saint. There are human beings, and there is the reach upwards, the yearning for the good, the desire to merge with love itself of the highest order. And others of the past who are eloquent. But no reference to Masters.

There is no ritual of secret rites or practices. No formal or informal initiation ceremony, no organization of volunteers. No formal vows. No club, no tree house.

Their friends volunteer because their friend does, Because in his or her company, they feel like helping, and so now they like helping people. It happens naturally, wordlessly, invisibly.

Meet one of these people. Then it will be obvious how God works. Through simplicity, never in large numbers, without formality of any kind. Just pure love.

That is the royal road, the Word made flesh.

Yes they are here in all walks of life.

Don’t think you need to try prove you are tough, but noone solved their problems by blaming others, falling off the wagon or, I would suggest, even with kissy-kissy support groups.

Sometimes you just got to be told the plain old ugly truth, or acknowledge it if you honest enough, then decide for yourself to change it. Honesty and willpower - a bit of mental fortitude, that’s all.

Sorry I’m just not into kum ba ya, but feel free to continue if it rocks your boat.

Don’t think you need to try prove you are tough, but noone solved their problems by blaming others, falling off the wagon or, I would suggest, even with kissy-kissy support groups.

Sometimes you just got to be told the plain old ugly truth, or acknowledge it if you honest enough, then decide for yourself to change it. Honesty and willpower - a bit of mental fortitude, that’s all.

Sorry I’m just not into kum ba ya, but feel free to continue if it rocks your boat.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | January 22, 2020 at 08:17 PM

OMGawd... here we go again.

Wtf do I have that I need to blame on someone??? I don’t even have any problems that I can blame on anyone because I don’t have any fucking issues.

And I don’t drink at all anymore. I don’t have any problems. Literally. I’ve never been so problem free in all my life. It’s not “bitching”. I’m relaying messages.

I think maybe you need a drink. I don’t touch the stuff anymore but I think it would do you a world of good.

You move on. You let go. You stop caring. I did a long time ago.

@princess georgy

And wtf is happening to your English??

Sorry I’m just not into kum ba ya, but feel free to continue if it rocks your boat.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | January 22, 2020 at 08:17 PM

You mean like GSD’s karaoke? All those love songs... turn you inside out, right? I guess you’d be miserable having to sit through 3 hours of that.

You know what, Georgy, believe whatever you want to about me. You don’t know me so it doesn’t matter anyway.

""". Wow, I didn’t realize you had your own struggles with your master. """

It was like "good make sex" in meditation, I mean It growed immensely

So these clashes you had can grow it like that
but we must submit . . next we see the world ( what happened ) from the top of a mountain

I told a lot in many comments here and can't repeat all that
but see/google one @
777+vivaldi
or
777+romein
both about poly location of our Lover
do it in the little frame above here

it might inspire

777
Posted by: 🍀 🍀 7 🍀 🍀 | January 22, 2020 at 05:27 AM

”It was like "good make sex" in meditation, I mean It growed immensely”

🤔🤔🤔

Ummm... are you one of those old Satsangis that believes you’re not supposed to have sex after you get initiated except to have children?? I think that’s an insane notion but some Satsangis still think that.

But you might be talking about something else altogether. I can’t really tell.

@777

I meant to say “old school” Satsangis. You’re not old... 😉

@Mr. Porgy

You know what I just realized, all you do is criticize me for something. Almost every single comment. I don’t criticize you (the majority of the time).

You criticize me for me just being me or for something I said about GSD. It’s almost ridiculous.

@SONIA

Concerning sex in chakras 2&1 arousal ,
I have the same opinion as
for taking a cup of tea, 3rd chakra
and music , 5th chakra arousal

Enjoy it, if / as long as yr heart is there.
Enjoy the Anahabad Shabd in chakras 6&7 if you can , more

At 83 I find kind of difficult to switch between all these chakras

I guess that's the reason old mystics advise to stay close to the Shabd at any time or learn to be everywhere all the time. - :-)

Like all ways the proof will be in the pudding
It's where we will go

777

Georgy,

You may not like this truth but GSD is extremely verbally abusive and so are you. Don’t even bother replying to any of my comments because I won’t be reading them.

Adios

@GOODMAKESEX

I googled but it was not clear

My semantics:
Using sex positively for repairing a misbalance in a couple or marriage situation

7

Not hyper conventional
You can ask Jim when I mentioned CAM4. :-)

777

Trump in Sach Khand: "I conquered the five foes--CALM, CROW, LOBE, MOE and a HANGER."

Inside joke.

@ georgy

Mate you need to learn how to talk to women. And calm down about otherwise you will be a virgin all your life.

Laters

@GOODMAKESEX

I googled but it was not clear

My semantics:
Using sex positively for repairing a misbalance in a couple or marriage situation

7

Posted by: 😉 777.😉 | January 23, 2020 at 04:26 AM

Oh, OK. I don’t think I’m going to google that... generally not a good idea. Google has a dirty mind.

Trump in Sach Khand: "I conquered the five foes--CALM, CROW, LOBE, MOE and a HANGER."

Posted by: anami | January 23, 2020 at 07:26 AM

😹
and supposedly he’s never had a drink

I conquered the five foes
Hahaha. but behind the joke
Nobody can
Shabd can do that

777

google has our dirt yes, obviously

The poor guru has to put up with all these nutters - he’s like a psychiatrist who don’t charge and they feel they can load off on him - it’s not right.

Who the hell would want that job - it’s almost like he’s a saint.

Adios muchochos. Say no to crack.

@ Georgy

Don't worry about them.
The moment the become guru, they become FREE.
Free from what and whom?
Free from the emotional bonds , interactions etc that people bind to one another.

How do I know?
By looking at them and how the react to emotional actions in the audience. Those who were initiated by MCS might remember the evening sessions and how MCS and his secretary reacted. You see these people had to endure day in day out the same questions and that for years at a stretch. The poor prof. B., being kind at heart, did his utmost to remain calm and kind … but one could trigger him. MCS could never be triggered.

If a teacher in that position has not cut all emotional bonds with the world, it would be humane be impossible to survive the social pressure.

They are the embodiment of the advice that was given to me namely to do my duties in whatever role I found myself, without getting emotionally involved in these ties or persons involved.

People play the whole day "rope pulling games" which end up in winners and losers. If the forces are equal the games are ended by divorce or better said suspended.

Only when there are moments in which people have to stand shoulder by shoulder, they don't "see" each other and they don't play the game of tope pulling.

The ONLY way one can differentiate a master from other humans is that one cannot play that game with them …. The are FREE ...free from these ties.

AND … nobody can make them play that game again. The sooner one understands that the better … hahahaha …. don't fool yourself.

Sonia you say: "Georgy, You may not like this truth but GSD is extremely verbally abusive and so are you."

This makes me chuckle, do you really not see yourself as being verbally abusive? Aren't most of your comments about criticising and finding fault with Gurinder? Take a look at your 'shadow' side and see what you are projecting onto others.

Jen,

I’ve thought about this a lot today. You’re right.

Went to the doctor this morning for some tests. Ugh 😑

I’ve been sad all day. I have to completely change my mindset or I’m not to get better. I’m going to rewatch again and again all those videos I sent you!!

🙃

Jen,

I’ve thought about this a lot today. You’re right.

Went to the doctor this morning for some tests. Ugh 😑

I’ve been sad all day. I have to completely change my mindset or I’m not to get better. I’m going to rewatch again and again all those videos I sent you!!

🙃

Posted by: Sonia 🦋 | January 23, 2020 at 04:19 PM

Over the last year my vision has been getting much worse and then blurry and now straight lines aren’t straight. But now I can’t remember anything. It’s not dementia, though. It’s treatable. And I’m not scared at all believe it or not. Just sad. If I can keep my thoughts clear enough long enough then I believe I can heal myself.

I had a dream that I was flying and it was really fun and I thought why don’t I do this more often. Anyway, I do believe in miracles and now I have practice that.

I think this is God’s way of telling me it’s time for me to practice what I “say” I believe. And that makes me feel calm.

🙏

Sonia,

I can understand the sadness. Although this is just the onset of dementia for me, it is quite scary and nearly everyday I feel teary and anxious.

Yesterday I went to a Clinical Hypnotherapist/Psychotherapist and had a chat with him to start with talking about my thoughts and feelings.

It was very helpful. I was a bit scared that he might put me under deep hypnosis but he simply got me to relax with my eyes closed and he was sitting on a chair nearby talking to me quietly saying very positive things. When it was finished I thought wow, haven't felt as calm and relaxed as I feel now! Have another appointment next week. It really helps to open up and talk to someone who is totally listening to what I am saying and feeling. Positive affirmations do help!

Sonia,

About one of those links you posted "Healing illness with the subconscious mind | Danna Pycher | TEDxPineCrestSchool"

When I was leaving and feeling so calm, I asked the Hypnotherapist "were you talking to my subconscious?"

He said "Yes" :)

The poor guru has to put up with all these nutters - he’s like a psychiatrist who don’t charge and they feel they can load off on him - it’s not right.

Who the hell would want that job - it’s almost like he’s a saint.

Adios muchochos. Say no to crack.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | January 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM

Yes, must be difficult. I guess that’s why nobody signs up for the job they just appoint someone. I’ve heard stories that Charan tried to escape when he found out he had been appointed. It’s really an unreasonable responsibility for anyone to have to take on.

Hi Sonia
You wrote
"Yes, must be difficult. I guess that’s why nobody signs up for the job they just appoint someone. I’ve heard stories that Charan tried to escape when he found out he had been appointed. It’s really an unreasonable responsibility for anyone to have to take on."

No one needs to take it on. That role is artificial and unnatural. But it is advertised as natural. Charan didn't want to have to ruin his life to run the family business. But this is how family businesses are.

Chik Filet is run by a family. Every generation in that family is assigned a role in the corporate business. You think anyone in that family, with all the money at stake, can say, "Dad I want to become a jet pilot?"

Hasn't happened. Won't happen. Family pressure, family oppression. It's the downside of wealth.

I don't think true Saints are appointed. They simply are. There isn't a job. Job is man - made. Job is packaging. Job is family money family dynasty.

True Saints love helping others. It's their joy. It's who they are

When you set up a manufacturing plant and create an assembly line to make massive amounts of money, how can you complain about such a large and repetitive series of the same tasks over and over? You have no legitimacy to complain when you set it up that way.

That's the problem with placing a person as an authority. People are drawn to the role, cling to the role, like Justin Timberlake fans. They give him all their love and justify it on supernatural grounds, which is just amplifying their own impulsive behavior to the status of perfection of God's Will.. They cling to the idea of a master and adapt to the schmuck who plays the role on stage.

Those fans pouring all their love to Justin irritate him most of all. Because he knows best of all that love is misplaced. He is a stranger to them. They don't know him. But if Justin shows impatience with such fans, he is the hypocrite. He perpetuates that false and debilitating, and degrading practice. It's part of his income structure.

There is nothing special about the putz on stage. The power is within you. And you can find a more attentive helper in a good friend. It's healthier. And real Saints are found among real friends.

@Spence

Your Justin Timberlake reference cracked me up.

I hear what you’re saying but with RSSB I don’t think Charan had any incentive to be the next Master. I think they just said, here you go. Good luck.

And Gurinder was in Spain. I honestly don’t think he had any aspirations to be guru whatsoever. I say this reflecting on some things I know about him.

But what are those people supposed to do? Just say no and tell everyone to go home? Of course, if they did I’m sure the RSSB committee would appoint someone else just to keep the organization running. Maybe they have a long list of back up gurus. Like plan B-Z.

It’s unique in a lot of ways especially in today’s society. Maybe they won’t have another guru and it will become a religion and numerous people can take on the job without people expecting them to be perfect.

I’m curious as to which book they would wave a big white feather over. Sar Bachan?

But, I you’re right that God is in everyone and can be found within. And seen in others if you look at others with the right perception.

Jen,

That is wonderful! I’m so glad you were able to go to a hypnotherapist. I wonder if the therapy sessions with your hypnotherapist will slow down the disease.

I had this thing that my doctors have been monitoring for several years. I’m supposed to have ultrasounds every six months but haven’t had insurance in the last 18 months since my husband lost his job and has only had contract work. My job was contract based as well but I haven’t been able to work for the last three months because I just can’t focus. I forget everything.

I’ve had lots of different things going on that all seemed unrelated—serious vision problems, forgetfulness and chest pain. I just assumed they were unrelated.

My doctors office kept calling me to get me to do a follow up but I had to wait till I could afford it and then I finally found a grant. Anyway, I don’t have a final diagnosis yet and they have to do several more tests to do but I’ll have to get more grant money first.

I’m not afraid though. My dad is afraid. My mom says just be positive and my husband is somewhere in between.

It’s weird, I never expected this to happen. A day ago I was thinking why am I so tired all the time, why can’t I complete a single task, why can’t I keep up in a conversation with people... on and in little stuff.

The fact that I don’t have insurance and that it’s serious makes me feel like there’s a reason this happened to me now. It’s nature’s way of saying get your mind right while you still have it. 😂

Thanks for letting me know about your hypnotherapist and positive results. After more tests if I do get to the point of actually getting anxious and sad all the time then I will definitely try to see one.

And thanks for your somewhat gentle reminders that my behavior is a bit off at times. Please don’t feel like you need to do it too often but occasionally we need those.

@ There is nothing special about the putz on stage. The power is within you.
@ And you can find a more attentive helper in a good friend. It's healthier.
@ And real Saints are found among real friends.

Beautifully stated, Spence.

I think even the putz on stage becomes a friend too...
if you keep looking for him inside.

Hi Sonia
You wrote
"And Gurinder was in Spain. I honestly don’t think he had any aspirations to be guru whatsoever. I say this reflecting on some things I know about him."

I'm sure neither he nor Charan wanted the role. It's a family thing, a family obligation. Charan would never disobey his grandpa. And Gurinder would never disobey his holy uncle.

But a dynasty is actually about money and the status quo. The obligations are immense. That is not a point of admiration. We were never meant to be beasts of burden. And once you accept that role, under family pressure, once you believe there is no escape, then that becomes the lifestyle and what you are teaching. And then you have no problems setting such imposition upon others.

It's a culture of slavery. A caste culture where those in power who believe in such a system themselves become slaves of it.

No true Master alows themselves to be placed in a position that is set up to mirror idol worship, all the while decrying idol worship.

It's neither a natural nor wholesome system. And no True Saint goes anywhere near there. It is degrading to themselves and those who would fawn upon them simply because they are in that role. Rather than raising people to their true capacity, this turns them into mindless and thoughtless, careless and even negligent sheep.

We all tell ourselves it is the person not the role. Then why the role?

Look at how grown men and women blush and fawn when the MASTER enters the room and steps upon the dias. Like schoolgirls giggling over a cute boy.

There is nothing of spirituality in this idol worship.

How many naturally worshiped Charan, Gurinder or even Sawan before they were accepted or proclaimed their acceptance of that very public role?

There were no followers around Gurinder who came to him simply because they could not resist his perfect loving nature, or his towering and insightful wisdom. That is before his assignnent to that role. No entourage of loving fans adoring his kind and compassionate nature just out of sheer love for their friend. Those qualities were not strong enough to draw others to him. Not strong enough to draw anyone.

But once in the role, now people say it is love that brings them to him. Where were the crowds before the formal role?

All those people are deluding themselves. They love the power. It is the role they love. That's idol worship. And it is degrading to the human spirit. We were not meant to make ourselves slaves to other people in power.

Because compassion and kindness can be found in many places of humility and meakness that such proud and "godly" people never go. They believe they are mighty and need a mighty leader. They want an arrogant leader to justify their arrogance.

But the person in the role, by accepting such an artificial and manufactured position of worldly power in a formal religion, perpetuates and actually mass produces the myth.

And what does it say about you and I that we can't see a pure embodiment of divine love unless they are on a stage in white robes and turban, a formal role with an arrow pointing to them, a sign labeling them "GOD" and a guru costume? Really? Really? It is an insult to ourselves that we are so taken by the role and the position of power. It is a tasteless testament to human stupidity.

But it is natural for many people who need to be led. And quite natural for others to reject following any actor on a stage playing a role.

It is all our projection and hardly connected to the actor on the stage at all. But as he is always playing the role, he is perpetuating the myth and the family dynasty that now depends upon it.


Hi Spence,

It’s lonely at the top. Look at how many of the rich and famous have ended their lives prematurely. I’m not looking at his role from a spiritual perspective when I say I just feel sorry for anyone that finds themselves in a position like that. It is a combination of feeling obligated and likely good intentions in taking in those roles. And before long it’s too late to escape.

I’m not in any position to judge anyone at this point. I’ve got my plate full of issues that I need to focus on and heal myself.

Looking at this from a place of empathy, I don’t think he loves his job. I’m sure there are days he wakes up and says why me. Sometimes he enjoys the good things that go with it. But you never know what a person is going through or how they feel until you walk in their shoes. I agree with Georgy when he said if you don’t like it or it’s making you miserable then find something else and I think that’s what a lot of people here have done.

I completely understand where you’re coming from but when the path no longer serves you it’s time to move on.

I almost think that all the time I’ve spent over the past year focusing on my hurt and pain and getting angry that I’m hurt and in pain is what has made my health problem progress into a disease.

Life’s too short for that. And even shorter when you dwell on it. I don’t believe that I’ve been “cursed” because I insulted a guru. I just think that my hurt and pain directed at another human being has damaged my body.

It was a big wake up call. I’m still a bit stunned. But I’m not worried. I just know I have to think peacefully in order to heal. Not just physically but mentally and spiritually as well.

I’m not afraid of whatever my future holds... just realized that for me (and it may be different for everyone else) I don’t really like the person I am today. That’s probably why I’m sick. And the only way that’s going to change is if I change my thinking and focus on what really matters.

Is the butterfly obnoxious? 😆 It’s better than a pink ribbon. 🙂

I truly believe everything is going to be ok as long as I make a huge transformation in my mind. Like the caterpillar 🐛 and the 🦋

@Spence

I had reflex syncope when they were doing the tests on me today. They said that happens sometimes but I’ve never lost consciousness in my life. Not even when I skied head first into a tree in Colorado. But again, it didn’t scare me it just reminded me that my 47 year old body isn’t as tough as my 27 year old body was. And I don’t need to add anymore projections of hurt and pain to my little world (I feel like all people have their own little worlds in a sense).

Family, friends, and laughter are probably the most healing things in our lives if we maintain good relationships. Meditation is practically prescribed my doctors these days so that’s a must. Beyond that I really don’t need medicine or surgery or any other invasive treatments. We can’t really die before our time, can we? I just want to die feeling good about the person I am... whenever that day comes.

@ No true Master allows themselves to be placed in a position that is
@ set up to mirror idol worship, all the while decrying idol worship.

No matter if the position is dynastic or not, no matter how many
followers or how few though, masters will be idolized. A smaller
venue won't help. A bigger one won't hurt. Ceremony, ritual, and
idolatry are systemic. With spiritual growth, disciples move beyond it.

@ Rather than raising people to their true capacity, this turns them into
@ mindless and thoughtless, careless and even negligent sheep.

The hallmark of mysticism is to continually remind us of those dangers
and empower disciples to overcome them. Masters harp on a path
of mindfulness and the value of experience inside. The efficacy of a
master and his friendship for doing that is unlimited.

@ Sonia
>>I just think that my hurt and pain directed at another human being has damaged my body<<

That reminds me of something that was said by one of the Beas Gurus … If one would know what angers does to the body one would never again become angry.

I remember those temper outbursts being so heavy sometimes that I was bodily so drained that to had to go to sleep. Anger is like an allergic reaction. One can focus on removing the triggers or on the sensitivity of the body or both. The last two options proved to be the best.

From there on I started to look at my own RE-actions for answers instead of to the actions in the world and found so more answers and understanding, both of myself and the outer world, then before when i was solely focused on the outer world as "source of"

Hi Sonia
Great comments!
You wrote
"I completely understand where you’re coming from but when the path no longer serves you it’s time to move on."

Yes, that's actually my point. I gave two essays above. One pointing out what True Saints are really like, and their intimacy and lack of any formality of any kind.

And then I pointed out the contrast with the structure of RSSB, which is both formalized and ritualised in increasing degrees, built for mass production .

But that was not actually to focus on RSSB. It was to point out that true Saints with nothing more than the power of true and pure love, who live steeped in Shabd and inner light, are around. They aren't common, in numbers, but they may be found in many walks of life. They are much more common than one guy in a costume in India. Being receptive to that naturally draws us to them.

Moving on can be much easier knowing that a true Saint may be found in your own town, but you will only find them as a friend, not listed as Saint in any yelp or Craig's list.

So that was my point. To point forward. To be inspired by the fact that what you received in part from Sant Mat you may receive in fullness and completion from the company of a true Saint, but one who will only take the role of a friend, and no other. It is just a matter of orienting our own heart towards love, and away from the past.

Hi Spence,

“not listed as Saint in any yelp or Craig's list.” 😅

Whaaat? So I shouldn’t be answering those ads on Craig’s list??

Yeah... I got a lot of good from Sant Mat. Perhaps everything in my life has turned out the way it was meant to be. I mean maybe the learning lesson is complete. It’s strange but I feel really at peace. Peace is a sign of healing on every level. At least that’s what I’d like to believe.

Thanks for your comments. Even though I may not comment on your comments, I always enjoy reading what you write.

Hi Um,

“That reminds me of something that was said by one of the Beas Gurus … If one would know what angers does to the body one would never again become angry.”

This is so very true. Nothing could be more true concerning your health. Especially mental health.

I also remember a story about a Questioner and Charan. The questioner told Charan Singh that all wife did was yell, insult and complain to her husband about his guru (Charan). The man was very upset about this and Charan Singh answered him, ‘Where is her attention? It’s on me.’

I don’t really know what my point was in sharing that... something about what you said reminded me and I’ve always thought that was an interesting way of answering his question about his wife.

@ Sonia

>>………….. that was an interesting way of answering his question about his wife<<

What else could he have said in his position??

I have never heard that they open up for the emotions etc as expressed by a complainer. In contrast they ask, suggest, advice the complainer to be kind for the one complaint about…. sometimes what one complained about was so severe that this type of answer is difficult to digest. Over time I came to understand and appreciate that reaction on their part …. but we …. we better not copy them, … nobody would accept it.


The poor guru has to put up with all these nutters - he’s like a psychiatrist who don’t charge and they feel they can load off on him - it’s not right.

Who the hell would want that job - it’s almost like he’s a saint.

Adios muchochos. Say no to crack.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | January 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM

Hey Georgy,

I feel bad for being a 🐝.

Since I know you have a soft spot for furry critters here’s something someone sent me today: https://youtu.be/880RAXPoBQ8

And I think this might be your totem animal: https://youtu.be/-uKPIR0yl58

Anyway, clearly you’re not a psychiatrist but since you like animals (perhaps more than humans) I’ll tell you this dream I had and maybe you can make sense of it. I dreamt about this cat I had. Her name was Gracie. She was a rescue cat and I spent 5 years taking care her giving her medicine each so she could live a happy life. I’ve loved every pet I’ve ever had but never been this attached to one. She was different altogether. First of all she never grew much and looked like a kitten her whole life. She had 7 claws on each paw so she looked like she had these giant Mickey Mouse hands. The hair on top of her head grew into two points that looked horns. People always thought we cut her hair to look like that (which would be weird). She wasn’t afraid of dogs at all and she would walk on a leash. She must have been something special in a past life because when I would walk her everyone would come up to me wanting to pet her.

So, back to the dream. Last night I had this dream that she came back from whatever world she lives in now (she died one day before I went to Dera a few years ago). For me it was the most I’ve ever grieved over any person or any animal’s death. But in my dream she was back and she spent a little time with me but went on to do her own thing. I was so hurt by it. I was like how could she do this after everything I did for her and how much I loved her. Then my mom (still dreaming here) said to me well at least she wasn’t a child. It’s not like losing a child. And I told her that I loved that cat more than any mother loves their child. And that was the most important part of the dream for reason. But at the end I was trying to accept that she had other interests and friends. I thought maybe she’d come back.

There’s probably a moral to this story.

I don’t know.

My totem animal is a koala 🐨

Spence, you say: "There is nothing special about the putz on stage. The power is within you."

I'm very happy that I was initiated into Sant Mat. I like the principles, vegetarian, no alcohol or mind altering drugs, living a moral life, meditation. I still stick to those principles, not very good with sitting meditation but feel like my very quiet life is a kind of meditation, just focussing moment to moment.

Some people enjoy going to Church and worshipping someone who they think was perfect and thats their path in life and if it helps, so be it.

Even though I no longer put the guru on a stage and have realised he is simply a normal human being like myself, I am still very grateful that I have this Path and its principles to follow. I think its very worthy and it helps me a lot and I'm sure it is helping many others as well.

Has Anyone seen Messiah on Netflix?

We’re watching it. The fanaticism makes you cringe and then there’s the evolution of the believers and devolution of the leaders. It’s uncomfortable at times but fascinating.

Hi Jen
You wrote
"Even though I no longer put the guru on a stage and have realised he is simply a normal human being like myself, I am still very grateful that I have this Path and its principles to follow. I think its very worthy and it helps me a lot and I'm sure it is helping many others as well."

Gratitude is a beautiful thing.

I'm grateful to be alive. For every moment of life, happy and painful. I'm grateful for my son, and in the bedtime prayers Sam and I used to pray, and still pray when he visits.

'Thank you God for loving us, for the good and pleasant things, and even the unpleasant things. Because the difficult things remind us to turn to You.

"Thank you God for loving us. And protecting us. Thank you for taking care of us. Please take care of....,..., .... And all the people we love, and even all the people we don't love. Thank you, God, for teaching us to love everyone, just as You do. Amen. '

@Spence

I read your comment and read this in a book immediately after. Just thought I’d share...

“God indeed can be reached directly, for there is no distance between Him and His Son. His awareness is in everyone’s memory, and His Word is written on everyone’s heart. Yet this awareness and this memory can arise across the threshold of recognition only where all barriers to truth have been removed.”

I mentioned a few days ago that I was reading the book Divide by One about a 57 year old woman with MS. Here is a description of the book:

“In the summer of 2018, ultra-endurance athlete Grace Ragland set off on the world's longest mountain bike race, the 2700-mile Tour Divide. This is the story of Grace's journey from the snow-capped peaks of Banff, Canada, down the spine of the Rocky Mountains, and finally into the forbidding desert of New Mexico.”

Grace was a good friend of my mom’s friend. My mother informed that Grace passed away this morning. She had cancer and it spread quickly.

It’s a great book. I highly recommend it.

On another note, I commented Thursday that I was concerned about my health but this evening all of my symptoms went away. I’m not sure what results I’ll get from my doctors. But it’s weird and I think illness really is brought on by stress and being hard on yourself. Anyway, I know this is sort of a random comment but I guess that’s what the Open Thread is for.

If I can think of anymore random stuff I’ll be sure to let you know.

But seriously, Divide by One is an inspiring and entertaining book (I’m not getting paid to say this). And Grace was a lovely person.

Hi dear people,
Thanks for writing lots of things here..
I read it as if I read about friends..
I can't write like you guys, also not because of English.
But I recognise'' me'' in lots of stuff.
Thanks you,
s*

Sonia

Sorry but Gracie the cat has gone. Move on. Don’t get sad.

My totem animal is this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gM3BzoNF2Gs

I’m v cuddly and cute, but am worried about responding to you cos I don’t want to be a bully and I’m just a bit concerned I might send you to the nuthouse...

“ Thanks for your comments. Even though I may not comment on your comments, I always enjoy reading what you write.”

It’s okay to just be honest - I don’t read his sermons either.

Syrupy falseness makes me ill - beware the wolf in sheep’s clothing - run a mile from any ponsified ponsiness, or maybe it’s just me.

Hi Sonia
You quoted
"God indeed can be reached directly, for there is no distance between Him and His Son. His awareness is in everyone’s memory, and His Word is written on everyone’s heart. Yet this awareness and this memory can arise across the threshold of recognition only where all barriers to truth have been removed.”

Beautiful. Everyone carries the whole pathway, divinity and wisdom and all the regions of heaven and hell within themselves. They are already connected to it, hard wired for it. But while the wriring is all there, and the signals back and forth are moving all the time, they must compete with those signals and transmissions from the senses, memory and emotion. And so they are not simply lost, but filtered out by our friendly neighborhood brain. But there is the method and practice of turning down the noise, attuning to the subtler signals, finer impressions, so we can begin to consciously regain that connection to what is already there and active all the time. And the first and most powerful hard evidence of our progress is a profound peace.


@ALL

As so many here are not young
and some suffer from physical imperfections, perhaps pain

I like to emphasise again a beautiful therapy, . . I proposed
a few days ago and nobody except JEN reacted
about GOOSE BUMPS
"Have this GB once a day and you will be healed"

Must I now understand that GOOSE BUMPS
is a rare phenomenon and that perhaps most people
do not know what it is

So curious I am , . . . AM. I. alone having GBs - Can't believe
because there is the expression: "GB"

Please let me know your semantics if U kno< what I'm talking about

77

"On another note, I commented Thursday that I was concerned about my health but this evening all of my symptoms went away."

Sonia,
I think I can make sense of your dream. The theme was abandonment, and you resolved it with a little help from Gracie. You healed.

Hi s*!

How funny, I was actually just thinking about you yesterday!

Good to hear from you. 😊

@ But there is the method and practice of turning down the noise, attuning
@ to the subtler signals, finer impressions, so we can begin to consciously
@ regain that connection to what is already there and active all the time.

Back in the trenches, I think they call that mindfulness.

Amid all the noise and distraction, ya hone in on that
high-pitched -subtle at first- whine that quickly grows
loud and insistent. The shout "Incoming!" pierces the
air.

It's a friend's warning deep within the Maginot Line.


777,

Goosebumps is the correct term. When I have them, I'd say, yes, it's a sign that my energies are going on the rise, like my body is shifting into higher gear. Do you have a method to make goosebumps happen as a therapy?

Also known as goose pimples or goose flesh and uncommonly as cutis anserina or horripilation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose_bumps

Sonia

Sorry but Gracie the cat has gone. Move on. Don’t get sad.

My totem animal is this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gM3BzoNF2Gs

I’m v cuddly and cute, but am worried about responding to you cos I don’t want to be a bully and I’m just a bit concerned I might send you to the nuthouse...
Posted by: Georgy Porgy | January 25, 2020 at 02:12 AM

OK, if that’s you’re totem animal then you’re the biggest softie ever. Personalities are an interesting thing. What we appear to be like on the outside doesn’t always reflect what we are like on the inside.

You don’t have to worry about sending me to the nuthouse. I check in and out regularly. You don’t like syrupy “falseness”. That’s a strong personality trait of yours. Going full drama queen when I’m upset about something I think is “unfair” (please don’t overanalyze the “unfair” part of this sentence) is one of my personality quirks. I’m really curious what your star signs are. But I think I know you well enough to know you’ll probably give a smart ass response to that question. 😹

Sonia,
I think I can make sense of your dream. The theme was abandonment, and you resolved it with a little help from Gracie. You healed.

Posted by: anami | January 25, 2020 at 05:29 AM

Anami,

I think you’re right. I have a very hard time interpreting the symbols of the subconscious. What you said makes sense to me. It resonates. 🙂

Sagittarius. The archer. half-man half-beast. Sunny disposition - read all about it, the stars don’t lie.

But seriously u better give me a heads-up sign if you about to go loop da loop psycho or something, and then I will lay off - cos I don’t wanna be blamed for your health issues.

Wow @Anami

Thanks for the info
You said :Do you have a method to make goosebumps happen as a therapy?

In my case Yes: Music
But since Youtube exist , I have it more often
at least 3 times per day
Seeing the musician doing it
it gives me a kind of Darshan effect

As said it generates arousal of the Heart & Throat Chakras

It's what sex does lower and The Gaze of a Master on the 6th & 7th Chakra

Many people have arousal for eating but I don't

I'm so sure it s totally misinterpreted as an Health issue
I'm sure my almost 100 in perfect health has to do with it

Higher arousal above our eyes even works better yet
I guess we are here at a total new viewpoint of meditations even
Not the contemplations but the real 6 & 7 energy (Love) accumulation

People should indeed remember when they had it and repeat

BTW
It's the same for orgasm and we can choose at which level we prefer to be!
Being healthy and happy

Sant Mat is a splendid Path

777

Me;I guess we are here at a total new viewpoint of meditations even

Not only meditation
but
Theology
Philosophy
Cosmology
You name it, it's in the bin

But you need to believe
Without believing , it's lost

777

Same as with the Pope, The Daila Lama, The Sat Guru
You MUST believe it
or being in the process towards believing


Sagittarius. The archer. half-man half-beast. Sunny disposition - read all about it, the stars don’t lie.

But seriously u better give me a heads-up sign if you about to go loop da loop psycho or something, and then I will lay off - cos I don’t wanna be blamed for your health issues.

Posted by: Georgy porgy | January 25, 2020 at 03:29 PM

Is that the part of your chart you resonate most with? I can see that...

I resonate more with Scorpio but always feel like Libra is trying to control me.

My crazy runs wild and it runs deep. After a while the warning signs become pretty obvious to observers. But I’ll try...

“ Thanks for your comments. Even though I may not comment on your comments, I always enjoy reading what you write.”

It’s okay to just be honest - I don’t read his sermons either.

Syrupy falseness makes me ill - beware the wolf in sheep’s clothing - run a mile from any ponsified ponsiness, or maybe it’s just me.

Posted by: Georgy Porgy | January 25, 2020 at 02:41 AM

Jorge,

I know you don’t like Spence’s style but I think he’s being sincere in what he believes which I know you don’t agree with either. But I think you hate sermons in general. How do you manage sitting through Satsang??

PG,
Although I’m all Libra, Libra, Libra deep down I’m more Scorpio (Scorpio ascendant). When I was little we moved to this place where everyone was supposed to smile all the time and pretend they were super happy and everything was super great in their lives. I pretty much grew up there. I can relate to how you feel about the syrupy sweetness being so goddamn annoying better than most (you would think my mother is an alien... she’s the best at sugar coating everything. I drove me mad because deep down she was like a steel fortress. You have no idea. But the Libra part of me naturally tries to see each side and tries to understand other people’s personalities more than just what they say. Language can be such a barrier in communication.

That said, I can’t be around someone 24/7 that can’t handle blunt honesty. And I’m not trying to offend the people closest to me. I just hate glossing over series issues. I hate denial. It makes me seriously crazy.

But one thing I’ve realized is that in certain situations a particular person’s words are much more powerful than they realize. And perhaps more powerful than is reasonable. Like, I’m very straightforward with my nieces but also hold back a lot because I realize they are children and one word from an adult can stick in your head for the rest of your life. When you’re the child whatever the parent or teacher or mentor in your life says to you has such power over you and is difficult to let go of.

I see it happen a lot in Satsang in Q&A. And this is not criticism of GSD. But the fact is when people do get the opportunity to speak to him, if they get an abrupt response it can be exaggerated tremendously simply because of the role he plays in their lives. And that is often the one and only time they ever have a chance to speak to him (I’m talking about myself—I have had enough interaction and even I overreact). These questioners are basically like small children even if they seem to be acting like stupid adults. It’s an unnatural burden to place on someone in GSD’s role but it is what it is.

I often feel resentful of having to tame down my personality for others but then I try to remind myself, well at least I don’t live with these people and they’re not in my close circle of friends. That makes it easier for me to “soften my delivery” and less draining for me. Because it really is draining. Even with my family I have to be careful from time to time. The one who understands and relates to me best is my niece—the one that’s prone to crying. I don’t cry easily but she’s really open in an emotional way too (cusp of Scorpio and Sagittarius) and can totally handle my sense of humor and my honesty about things. That was an isolated event when she got so upset because she thought I was disappointed in her. It was just a bad day in general.

Anyway, it’s annoying, irritating and draining to have to continuously adjust your personality for other people. I would not want to be in GSD’s shoes or anyone else’s who had to take on that kind of responsibility.

My dream is to build a small cabin in the woods and become a full-time blogger.

And when I say small cabin I mean tiny house. I’m obsessed with tiny houses.

Born in mid-December, Sagittarius, same as Charan Singh so seems I’m in good company if the stars are to be believed.

Dunno why you so interested in crying or not, who cares, let it out if you got to open the water works. Just don’t become a blubbering wreck. Personally, I’m not a big cryer or into public shows of emotion. Does it help? But good to have all types - diversity is the spice of life.

Just chill out a bit - Akuna Matada not Kumbaya. WTF you getting panic attacks, no point. Sounds like you may be quite emotional, that’s a good thing not a bad thing imo. Sounds like this path rssb may if anything be good to tame your pip a bit, but that’s up to you. If instead it’s giving you mental / health issues, rather stay away. Sounds to me like you may actually worship the guru deeply and then when he says something you don’t like, it triggers you. I don’t worship anyone like that. I’d just listen, even if it makes you angry at first, just listen. You don’t have to agree with it or take everything as gospel, be skeptical, but you don’t have to go apeshit crazy either, especially if it resonates with you deep down - why would you get upset at that? Imo those insights into your own nature are potential gems.

#Anami

I didn't expect at all that this GB. subject
had more to it than pleasure and health

Around 50 years ago I was rather impressed by
Swami Ram Das from Kerala
book : Quest for God


He used a beautiful Mantra
OM SHRI RAM. JAI RAM JAI RAM SRI. ....... etc
and I found out that it felt ,vibration_wise
the same as our second word from Simran

Now I see that that mantra triggers
the heart and the throat chakra ( 4&5 ) and as said in the RS books
the second word contains that Power / reacts with the second spiritual region (Para Brahm)
the one where Sonia doesn't want to be. :-)

Just because U asked
You can try

777

I say don’t adjust your personality at all if it’s who you truly are. If it offends family and others, fk’m, end of story.

Drop them on the spot and don’t look back. Please gd they don’t invite you to another holiday dinner, you should be so lucky. But again maybe that’s just me. Maybe women also generally have greater societal pressures to conform despite me2 - who knows.

Life is short, surround yourself by positive people or those who accept and like you for what you are. I’d rather be alone every time, than with those who drag you down for their own benefit. I don’t think this means ignoring everyone who doesn’t kiss your ass - often the opposite, if they are right and honest, better to listen up. But I definitely wouldn’t be flip-flopping my personality to try fit in with family, culture, or the mainstream. The majority or popular vote (in many cultures) is often not only just plain wrong, but positively ignorant imo.

All the time Goose Bumps
Makes me cry

https://youtu.be/SiKgrevzT-g

777

Georgy,

Why are you so enamored with this guru?

You seem to be fervently devoted despite the fact that supposedly you haven’t been initiated.

??

@Georgy

And you tell me I should lay off the sauce. You said I can’t commit to RS if I’m still drinking. Are you committed to RS and meditation and a vegetarian diet? Do you still drink? Not that long ago you said you were enjoying a few pints...

Not trying to put you on the spot... or am I? 🤔

"Higher arousal above our eyes even works better yet
I guess we are here at a total new viewpoint of meditations even...🍀 🍀 7 Levels of Arousal 🍀 🍀"

Om-gasm!

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