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December 20, 2019

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"removed from office for his immoral behavior."

Creating global instability and destroying economies everywhere because the media is doing a soft coup using fake moral outrage sounds like the epitome of foolish ideas to me. One of the best examples of "be careful what you wish for" that I have ever come across. Reminds me of how ISIS was initially welcomed by all the people who later suffered under ISIS.

We should end democracy in USA and make Trump king. I predict it would be better for humanity than the wars that will come after his enemies gain outright power. But then again, I should be careful what I wish for too.

GSD is considered GIHF by followers. He has much lower morals than Trump.
stealing poor farmers land. commiting fraud. lots of evidence.
yet his followers still follow like sheep.

Many world leaders are being called out for being dishonest, dishonest in the way they wilfully misinterpret, bully, attack, cheat and generally hold themselves in high regard and above reproach. Its probably not a recent phenomena. - as history shows.

People in quite a few countries today seem to be 'pulling up the drawbridge' with regard to what is seen as self-protectionism. In the West, we have had a good few years of being relatively quite comfortable but lately, with desperate people arriving on our shores and the ever present scramble for more of the worlds dwindling resources and a continuing share of prosperity, world-wide competition is getting dirty.

So I wonder if there is any truth of the old adage 'We get the leaders we deserve'. Perhaps people like Trump and Johnson emerge as leaders as they are seen be able to match the aggressiveness of despotic leadership and we see in them as some sort of anti-hero who will help secure our scramble to maintain our way of life – in a time of dwindling resources and global threat. After all, the world is generally incapable of adopting a united front (as the climate change issue shows).

The pessimist would say the human race is doomed, after all, we have only recently been around on the planet - and we are probably not a permanent fixture.

Trump has focused on and tried his best to keep
his word for what he promised his electorate.

Trump doesn't bother me at all. I have been watching him closely since he began his bid for the presidency in 2015 or so. I have read the transcript and watched the proceedings pretty closely (when not asleep like Nadler). I hear Fox news. I hear MSNBC and CNN (both stunning in their distortions and dishonesty). I read editorials pro and con. No evidence of criminality. The whole thing is total BS. I think he is the best president of my lifetime. He's keeping his promises and more despite overwhelming sold-out media opposition and near religious partisanship and group-think. Wake up people! They own you.

Can't agree more @Tucson. Best thing that's happened to the nation in a long long time.

Though waiting for the Pope to be removed from his office for tolerating immorality right under his nose.

Well... politics has gotten to be more a much more sensitive issue than even religion in many homes and communities these days. I don’t think there’s any way Trump will get voted out by the House but I’m very impressed with Pelossi and how she’s handling things.

What I also find interesting when it comes to our leaders – whether they are religious leaders, business leaders, political leaders and so on is that they are said to emerge in response to the current situation of the time. Although we believe that we choose and elect our leaders, history shows that they emerge from the morass of fear and anxiety, from the confusion, distrust and insecurities of their time. Churchill, Stalin, Saddam, Gadafi, Ghandi (etc.) and now Trump in the US and Johnson in the UK. were (are) men of their time.

Both Trump and Johnson came to power at a time of fear and anxiety in their respective countries. They were not 'chosen' by the people, in reality they emerged, much in the same way as an insect emerges from its host – the host being the prevailing social, moral, economical (also religious and political) conditions of the time that produce the collective anxiety and fear.

In time, inevitably, our leaders do not deliver the goods - or perhaps mind-sets change. After a term or two they are replaced. Perhaps religious authorities/teachings linger much longer as the fear, anxiety and confusion in the matter of life and death are forged by often hard to disprove beliefs and are psychologically harder to shake off.

I'm totally for removing President Trump from office. I'm totally for removing any U.S. president from office.
The way to do it is by holding an election.

The way not to do it is by floating endless conspiracy theories that a president has somehow caused a "clear and present danger" to American security by delaying military aid (that the former president refused to give at all) to a tiny country on the other side of the world that is embroiled in a tiff with a powerless Russia.

I can understand how people can find fault with gurus, for after all a guru has absolute power over the lives of his followers, and he serves for life without any checks and balances from his followers. But President Trump isn't a guru. He was fairly voted into office. He hasn't committed any crimes. And he's term is up in less than a year from now. If the majority of Americans believe Trump is manifestly evil and want him gone, then we can confidently expect that the next election will be fait accompli.

I think the rage against Trump is that his detractors actually have very little faith he's going to be voted out of office, and therefore argue that he should be summarily removed, American democracy is damned.

I don't believe in Trump. I believe in American democracy, which is why though I loathed Presidents Bush and Obama, I wasn't arguing for 16 years that they should be "removed" because I didn't approve of the results of America's democratic process. Nor did I ever stoop to denigrating everyone who voted for these characters as enemies of the Republic.


My takeaway from the opinion piece is that the editors reserved judgment as long as they could but concluded on ethics. Christians should be ashamed of Trump, because his immorality reflects badly on Christianity and the USA. He damages any claim to "justice and righteousness" by either. Therefore, his removal, whether by Senate vote or election ballot, is appropriate as a matter of conscience. "Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior."

Not my place to say, but he’ll be a 2-term president and agree with Tucson that the impeachment is unmerited. He was voted in, deal with it.

Certain things are not v presidential like his talk over ‘wall-building’ and ‘vajazzle-grabbing’, but he has huge appeal to many, precisely because he shoots from the hip. He’s got a huge ego and a huge mouth, but I just find him v v amusing (like that other great George Dubya). They are exactly who most would think shouldn’t be president - I luv it.

Also, you got to give it to him, he’s done great things with the US economy and he nearly single-handedly brokered peace with N Korea (even they don’t know if he’s unstable enough to nuke them or not).

It’s all a cosmic joke. Who cares. He’s not polpot or Mussolini. US got such strong democratic system with all its checks and balances, what can trumpy do anyway?

Georgy,

For some reason I thought you were British and dealing with Boris... are you American?

Neither - but have lived with the pompoms for many years , now that is a v funny country. I mean at least trump made something of himself before becoming president, Bojo is a compete and utter nutjob - he thinks it’s all a big game I’m convinced.

Show how useless politicians and politics really are - what difference does it make who you got in charge if the institutions of the country are so solid anyway. UK and US politics isn’t exactly life or death stuff imo - and of a few characters are appointed, so what.

Seeeee, this is the state of politics today—bipartisanship verging on civil war or just plain old apathy... resignation.

Well, at least Nancy won’t get a lump of coal in her stocking.

This whole impeachment charade is an attempt to damage the reputation of the President and undermine the voice of 63 million Americans that voted him into office. There has been no clear evidence presented to warrant an impeachment. But, he has been impeached none the less. Not moving the articles of Impeachment to the Senate is unconstitutional and an attempt to place condemnation on Trump without a Senate trial. Where is there any semblance of justice or due process to the President in this case if a trial is not conducted in the Senate?

According to Professor of Law Emeritus, Alan Dershowitz, "President Trump would stand accused of two articles of impeachment without having an opportunity to be acquitted by the institution selected by the Framers to try all cases of impeachment. It would be as if a prosecutor deliberately decided to indict a criminal defendant but not to put him on trial."

This whole mess should put through the shredder and never heard from again! BTW, I used to be an loyal Democrat! But, the party has changed so much over the last decade or so that I had to pack my bags and say adios!

@ bob

Get trump to release his tax returns. Why hide of you are so great lol.

The issue is America is sliding and not many can see it and you guys dont have politicians who are decent to get you out. Democrats nor Republicans. You have a divisive leader and it was right he should be impeached! Sorry we over the pond here cant stand him.

The impeachment of Bill Clinton was no less political. It was a Republican controlled House led by Speaker Newt Gingrich. "...the House Judiciary Committee conducted no investigations of its own into Clinton's alleged wrongdoing and held no serious impeachment-related hearings before the 1998 midterm elections. Impeachment was one of the major issues in those elections."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
Gingrich gamed the whole thing, sure that R's would pick up an additional 30 House seats, and when D's gained 5 seats instead, he resigned. Clinton was also impeached over less--personal misconduct rather than official--and R's happily dredged it all back up it to smear Hillary in her Presidential bid.

So get off your high horse. Boo hoo on Trump, politics is political. How many Republicans cried unconstitional over Bill Clinton's impeachment? If Republicans were privileged to weaponize Clinton's stupidity, Democrats have every right to weaponize Trump's.

@ anami

Correct- Trump has to go. Let me list his achievements

1. North Korea failure
2. Huge tax cuts for the mega rich
4. Middle east - he has no clue
5. The rust built of Christian farmers . These people are racist and these dumb people are now divided over the Trump impeachment issue. Lol.
6. China. Trump never released that these are OLD people old race. They will outdo trump.
7. Iran - well lol. The same point these are old people and have seen it all before.
8 Nato. He may have a point here in that other countries must spend more. I'll give him.that
9 food stamp reductions in the USA for the very poor.
10. Massive debt ceiling - who is paying for this in the future yes that's right you Americans!
11. His tax returns??? What he hiding

Sick and tired of strong men leaders and spiritual leaders . We need to get along all of is together

Arjuna - you say that Trump should be impeached. OK, then show the evidence. Just because you dislike Trump or disagree with him doesn't warrant an impeachment. BTW, Trump is not required to release his tax returns. If that's a big issue for someone, then they are free to vote against Trump in the next election. Regarding Trump dividing the country - he has to a certain extent because of his conservative leanings. Yet, a 2018 pole showed that 64% of Americans believed that the media has done more to divide our nation.

@ bob.

Yes he should be impeached. I take it you are a MAGA??? So I'm wasting my time ....

If you need to me to provide evidence you really ain't getting what he did with Ukraine. What else is he doing? The 64 % you mention will be paying for his policies in the future . You want evidence just watch and wait.

This is the issue with people like you and the rest in the uk and us - seek leaders who do good for all mate

Dear Bob,

You say you used to be a Democrat but left because the party changed so much over the last decade.
1) How so?
2) What did Democrats stand for then that Trump stands for now?

Thank you,

Bob,

Try getting your information somewhere other than Fox News. Trump is the same as GSD. If we’re lucky, in 2020 both will be removed.

@ sonia

You need someone who is rational and wise and not trump. His North Korea adventures are about to back fire. They are an old race and will not bend. Trump knows this. Did he really think he could do better than any other president.

So yes bob he needs to go for all our sakes. And stop quoting polls . Use your own mind!!!!

Sonia,
What YOU need to do is watch all the network news AND Fox news. Compare, but you must give each one a fair shake. You will see patterns of bias everywhere but IMO Fox does it less and are more responsible. Of course the Left will disagree.. Fox is the devil to them. MSNBC and CNN are the worst.. but are gods to the far left. Their distortions, bias and outright lies about Trump are stunning, and they get away with it. How do I know? I see the actual events, documents, speeches, press conferences, activities, legislation, hearings and THEN I see the reportage by the networks. Journalism is flat out dead when it comes to MSNBC/CNN and hardly any better at NBC. ABC and CBS do a smidgeon better but still are in the brainwashed group think tank. There are no standards at all at MSNBC/CNN. No one to answer to. Do not trust them. Garbage networks. ABC, CBS deceive mainly by omission. NY Times and Washington Post? They distort and flat out lie.

The impeachment is a scam.

Trump will be re-elected in 2020 because the majority of Americans know this. They see right through it.

Wake up!! Don't be a low information sound byte voter. You'll get mislead easily.

@ Tucson

Trump wont be elected - 2020 US financial crash. Even GSD said when he was challenged that the USA and UK will be third world countries.

Watch this space . Ps the impeachment is not a scam. I'm not even in the US and can tell how guillable you please are sorry mate you are backing the wrong horses

"Even GSD said when he was challenged that the USA and UK will be third world countries."

About third world countries, has anyone here watched "HUMAN" on youtube? Its a huge wakeup call. I can only watch in short bursts. We don't know how lucky we are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdb4XGVTHkE

Tuscan,

My top 10 favorite Trump fuck ups that have established his character and credibility:

—“Russia are you listening?”
—Pussy-gate
—Stormy Daniels
—“Build that Wall!“ (wtf) He used the National Emergencies Act to appropriate funds for a policy priority after Congress specifically refused to do so legislatively.
—He gave Turkey a green light to invade Syria and attack our Kurdish allies.
— He asked the president of Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden
—His warped obsession with the size of his inaugural crowd.
—He invited the Taliban to Camp David.
— His policy to separate migrant children from their families at the southern border was an avoidable tragedy.
—When he said, “Laziness is a trait in blacks”

Yep. A-hole.

One of my Republican colleagues is a high ranking government official who left the White House at the beginning of the year due to Trump’s 🦇 💩 decision making incompetency.

I’m a registered Republican as well. I’m a conservative liberal and a liberal conservative. I try to be bipartisan as much possible. But Trump is a clown.

Arjuna,
I think the financial crash which GSD predicts is his own from the looks of things.

To folks in general and none in particular...

There are no journalistic standards anymore. The media is corrupt and run by people with agendas that are not in the best interest of the everyday person trying to raise a family and make ends meet. Reporters and columnists are paid to do the bidding of these power elites. It's a sad and dangerous state of affairs. You have to dig deep, compare, verify and investigate with effort to find the truth, to get unbiased analysis, and to be correctly informed concerning many issues. Few have the time or willingness to do that. Yet, despite not doing so, many people bray like jackasses succeeding only in displaying their ignorance.

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