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November 26, 2019

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J,

If RS is so sterile, why do you even persist in going or even worrying about the group and its various trials and tribulations?

Here is a secret: move on.

Find something worthy of your insights.

Hi JS
It is quite sad that she died under suspicion of criminal fraud, in the middle of one of the largest corporate scandals in India 's history. Let's hope her name, perhaps misused through the forgery and fraud of others, will be cleared to all reasonable degrees. So that history will, at some point, record for all time her innocence, and not to leave her record for the decades to come simply as a suspect in a crime.

What is unfortunate is that she will never have a chance to publicly speak out directly to her accusors, and hold them accountable visibly in a court of law, to clear her name.

But now that burden is left to Gurinder and the family.

@GSD_THE_GREATEDT

'Hats off to you GSD!!!! Unmatched dedication. Even the Nanaks, Kabirs, Jesus, etc that you are often compared to by the exer's here BOW to you!!!!!"

What are you talking about ..read the Jesus and Nanak's life..Christ .gave his life..Nanak gave his last penny to needy people..not like GSD gathered millions in his life

And Kabir said' 'Sai Itna Dijeye Janke Kutumb samai, Main bhi bukha na rahu, sadhu bhi bukha na jai'
Means God please give me only that much so l can run my house..l don't have to stay hungry and able to feed my guest....Kabir didn't want millions...

So these saints are too high from GSD

Death is always a hard truth for all family members....we should let her go whether she was involved in this fraud or just framed by her Husband and sons

She has met with God or gone to other life as per her Karmas

We all should leave this to God and show human sympathy with the family

GSD the greatest
Babaji has showed us so much...cancer financial crisis... relatives turning against you... and now death of the closest loved one. And in all of this I watch how he only practices what he teaches. He has always referred to himself as a “sevadar” a sevadar or his guru, Hazur maharaji and I without a shadow of a doubt believe that he truly is one. I salute you Babaji.

I have found the responses to Shabdnam’s death ……well, very weird. If you believe Gurinder Singh is spiritually enlightened, understands the ins and outs of the universe, knew how and when she would die years ago, has the spiritual power to guarantee her spiritual liberation,and that “a satsangi should look upon his death as if it were his wedding day”, if we believe that why would we feel sorry for him?

“One who grieves not in misery and delights not in pleasure, who is free from fear and attachment, and for whom gold and dust are the same, and who has renounced praising and blaming and is immune from greed, worldly attachment and pride… only then does the disciple attain the blessed spiritual state and merge with the Lord as water with water” – Guru Tegh Bahadur

If you decide he is just a man just like everyone else well, then what does it matter if his wife died? Has anyone on this blog ever talked to her or would know who she was if they met her at a Walmart? How is she all of a sudden so special? Haven't many thousands of husbands and wives died in the time it took me write this post? If we think he is like everyone else an honest obituary would read “Rich Indian elite, who is being investigated for embezzlement along with her entire family, and enjoys the company of movie stars, government officials, and alligator skin handbags, died today.” Why is that so newsworthy?

If we are going to feel bad about anyone’s death, how about the 270 Palestinians this past year and a half shot dead trying to break free from the Gaza open prison in the Great March of Return, or maybe have some sympathy for the 29,000 permanently maimed by snipers and have no health care at all.

If we are going to feel and express sympathy for someone can’t we do a little better than this rich Indian elite who may very well be a crook?

Perhaps all of GSD fanboys on here should get together and set up a crowd funding page in order to raise the money to pay Daichi back?

Perhaps all of GSD fanboys on here should get together and set up a crowd funding page in order to raise the money to pay Daichi back?

Posted by: JS | November 28, 2019 at 04:06 PM

We just need a dime. Can we set your 'reserve price' at that or that's too high?

GSD the greatest
Babaji has showed us so much...cancer financial crisis... relatives turning against you... and now death of the closest loved one. And in all of this I watch how he only practices what he teaches. He has always referred to himself as a “sevadar” a sevadar or his guru, Hazur maharaji and I without a shadow of a doubt believe that he truly is one. I salute you Babaji.

Posted by: Anon | November 28, 2019 at 12:56 PM

In this moment of grief, individuals popping around like popcorn by GSD's show of dedication is a good source of entertainment.

The below is what i received yesterday 28th November IST. So what's described there in must have been the day his FRIEND and wife passed away.

Message received-

Babaji came today to give darshan in Haynes Park, Stayed about 40 minutes. Looked very sad but after every shabad smiled a little. But all the sangat was in tears.
He said thank you all for your support and left.
Was as if you lost your own.
🙏🙏

GSD_THE_GREATEDT, what on Earth are you talking about?

Posted by: JS | November 28, 2019 at 12:09 PM

What i am talking about is beyond your PSB. So do even attempt to comprehend.

The Nanak's, Kabir's, Jesus all stand in respect while showering their grace on GSD.

GSD_THE_GREATEDT, first of all, use a spellcheck

Secondly, I may be wrong but I don’t think Nanak or Jesus were investigated for being involved in billion $ frauds?

I pray for the safety of Malvinder Singh

As per master sayings the one who came has to go , one day every one has to face this

may her soul rest in peace

GSD_THE_GREATEDT, first of all, use a spellcheck

Secondly, I may be wrong but I don’t think Nanak or Jesus were investigated for being involved in billion $ frauds?

I pray for the safety of Malvinder Singh

Posted by: JS | November 28, 2019 at 11:23 PM

Time to visit a Optometrist looks like.

Nanak and Jesus were investigated and Jesus even persecuted for acts considered far inappropriate in their times

Malv life in danger is it? The best place for him then is the Tihar Jail.

1)Has anyone on this blog ever talked to her or would know who she was if they met her at a Walmart?

2)How is she all of a sudden so special?

3) why newsworthy?

4) If we are going to feel bad about anyone’s death, how about the 270 Palestinians this past year and a half shot dead trying to break free from the Gaza open prison in the Great March of Return, or maybe have some sympathy for the 29,000 permanently maimed by snipers and have no health care at all. If we are going to feel and express sympathy for someone can’t we do a little better than this rich Indian elite who may very well be a crook?

Posted by: No Name | November 28, 2019 at 03:56 PM

Hi No Name

1) Oh yes I would know her even if i met her at a fashion show.

2) if you mean to the million of followers - understanding this is beyond your PSB.

3) it's newsworthy because it's media thinks it's worthy to be reported. And worthy enough to report and in the manner they have, despite what you'd wish the headline ought to have been.

4) Maybe Brian Hines should have an obituary section for the benefit of people like yourself.

But I have a question for you though - how come you not questioning the obnoxious attention that's accorded to GSD in here? A dedicated thread on his FRIEND and wife's demise. Speaking about India the jails are overcrowded by millions of alleged and/or convicts. A larger number are probably out on bail. Why not write about them too. FYI Godman accused of rape and now child abuse has supposedly fled India. Not a word on it in here Huge financial crimes popping up regularly. News is only about rapes, revenge crimes, robbery, corruption, exploitation etc etc.But only RSSB and GSD covered in here. Funny na.

"J, You don't belong there. It's the neon lit topless girl bars for you. Beauty, emotion and love and all things human all in abundance here."

Also satsangis with hurt feelings. As is usual with cult members, their first reaction to reading something they don't like is to insult the critic and demand that he be silenced.

But I have no problem with what I wrote, as I think it's an accurate assessment of the character of this religion. In a word, "dry." I've read all the RSSB books, been to many satsangs. One thing is consistent: a dearth of human emotion.

Think carefully. Who can say they heard Charan speak of love? The master is supposed to have an abundance of godly love for his initiates. Yet there the guru sits like an impassive stone idol, quite deaf to the entreaties of his followers, and utterly unwilling to ever say he personally cares about anyone.

That kind of inhumane detachment clearly had rubbed off his the guru's representatives, like "Wayne" who describes Gurinder's wife as his "friend" in prose so cold. I can almost picture Wayne sweating about how to write his memo so that it's absent of human feeling and includes a scolding admonition to, as his guru said was the answer to all problems "do your meditation." .

Mr Brian rightly shared this news with rest on this forum as a mark of respect to departed soul who was also wife of a popular public figure and Tom cat of his previous faith in spirituality. I, in fact, thank him who gave this news without any illwills in his post.

For RSSB followers as also for adversaries it was a major news who has been referred many a times for good or bad reasons.

GSD_THE_GREATEST

As I've said before, these babas are getting arrested left and right. What makes you think yours is so special?

@J
You are right in reporting the facts of dealing with emotions however these facts can be valuated and appreciated in different ways.

In his role as teacher he dealt with emotions like an surgeon. Who wants a surgeon to be emotionally involved as the dear ones do? Does this mean that the surgeon at work is a machine, without compassion?!

He invariable advised people not to get emotionally involved with people and ties that bind them in the roles they play but stressed that they certainly should do their duties. In order to do ones duties one has to look closely at the needs of the other person in order to fulfill these duties.

In many case one would love people to abstain from their "love" and attend to their duties.

Love has become a cheap commodity and means to to have an excuse to neglect.

The teachings …. see his behaviour within the context of what he had to teach … the liberation of the soul from this universe. Don't you think that emotions are strong bonds that binds one to this universe??

@Um
Love plays a part in the spiritual journey.
And a very important part.
Whole scriptures are full of the importance of love.
Jin prem kiya thein he rab paya

Every disciple has immense love for his master. Without love there is no path.
And the master loves the disciple far more than the disciple lives. Just as a mother loves a child far more than the child can understand.

I am only referring to this because “emotionless” is not the path.

Many people may have become like that, but that is an avoidance of life, a way to run away from facing reality.

@ Osho

You are right in describing the essentials of the path … Gur Bhakti.

I never use the word and Hazur, was very reluctant, i think for good reasons, to discuss it beyond his satsangs explaining this or that mystics poem … whatever he said personaly or write to me was related to doing meditation and my duties to those i was bound in this or that role.

Satsangis love to discus these things like, free will etc. and … i was born in a cold climate … hhahaa … not in india were the emotions are easily fired into storms of passion etc.

Osho and Um are absolutely wrong. I read another holy book that said hate and emotional neutralization is the one true path.

Sorry suckers. You're gonna go to hell, be born a trillion times or whatever happens.

Do none of you ever get tired of bloviating endless unfalsifiable hypotheses about the truth? It comes off as absolutely evil to me, and I hope that you suffer punishment.

Someone died. Just say "F" or "RIP" or whatever. Nobody needs your list of things you heard from old books about God. Fuck you demented devils.

@Jesse

You are right.
Whatever I know, is just hearsay … even making the coffee that I am drinking is a matter of hearsay … there is really nothing that I know of myself.

We are to leave this world one day, and if we are loving, obedient disciples, and
have made proper preparations in this lifetime, we do not have the transition
which we call death. While others weep, the spiritually developed soul departs
happy – happier than a bridegroom on his *wedding day. The time of death is a
critical one in our experience, when our friends and relatives are helpless to
render any assistance; but for the followers of Sant Mat, it is the happiest time of
all. The Master appears and takes the departing soul with him, and puts it in its
upward journey at the place for which it is fit. There is no rendering of accounts
with Kal, provided there have been love for and obedience to the Master. The
departed soul is happier than it has ever been before. There is absolutely no fear
of death. The Master's presence within breaks all worldly connections, and the
mind is free to continue the upward journey. Hazur Baba Sawan Singh Ji (The Great Master) (Spiritual Gems, letter 164)

Rumi's Wedding - https://youtu.be/BSJ86PK2Fbk
Near Death Experience - https://youtu.be/7l-nbk_8EII

Nothing wrong with you Jesse you are just boring.

Includes a scolding admonition to, as his guru said was the answer to all problems "do your meditation." .

Posted by: j | November 29, 2019 at 07:12 AM

Through your myopic sight you may wish to see it as a scolding admonition. It actually is the usual reminder that's voiced in every satsang, Q&A and book.


Meditation is the best prayer as Hazur emphasizes for

It gives us moral strength and also strong willpower to face our present karmas. It gives us strength to go through our destiny without losing our balance. It gives us strength not to sow any new seeds that would force us to come back to the creation. And it invokes his forgiveness for what we have been collecting in the past.

You must surely remember this since you have read all the books of RSSB and listened to many many satsangs. It's from one published.


@Um
Love plays a part in the spiritual journey.
And a very important part.
Whole scriptures are full of the importance of love.
Jin prem kiya thein he rab paya

I am only referring to this because “emotionless” is not the path.

Posted by: Osho Robbins | November 29, 2019 at 12:15 PM

You are right Osho. The path is only about love. But singular love for HIM only and detachment from the world for as the path also reminds us that

Mittar tera koi nahi Sangian mein and
Jag Haumein Mael Dukh Payaa

I am reading many comments about emotions and love

These all are just human feelings..
Just like you sit in the Baba's lecture and think he loves you..its your emotions which comes back to you..nothing from Baba(he is too busy in calculating his millions)
It works in a sane way when you see a baby in the train and your loveable emotions bring smile in your face

Or other example..when you see a nice tiger , Bear or a Venomous Snake other side of fence or in a cage..you admire their beauty and sometime wants yo cuddle them.

Just open their cage or Jump into their area you will see their real face, they devour you in a minute and soon you will be in their stomach.and now smile be in their face

The same way these fraud Babas like GSD (or politicians, actors) work. They impress you with their words, acting, false promises etc.

But just try to go to near them(they don't let you though) ...you will find their real face...lots of people who were close to GSD left him because they found the truth, the real face of GSD ...and we all know after that what GSD propaganda did? Tried to defame these people and questioned their credibility (Brian is also one example)
Some people stayed with him after finding his truth due to their greed as they get benifited from big monetary gains(sone are in jail these days)

So don't be fool with your emotions... that's why Sikh gurus say..Mann niwan Mat Uchi'( Put your emotion down and keep your intelligence high)
GSD strong political relationship might saved him from jail(he might be dead before the final judgement) but the court of God will not forgive him..those all poor people, farmers, broken families prayers will punish him very hard. What he is telling other people about Karmas will have to face himself one day.....l guess the process has already started.....

Nothing wrong with you Jesse you are just boring.

Posted by: 💦 | November 29, 2019 at 06:03 PM

The art of knowing is knowing what to ignore. - Rumi

The master is no a human, he is all powerful. A Master has the power to change the time and date of death. All is in his hands, He is the Lord. So maybe master changed her time of death to now to save future problems.
He is all knowing and all doing. It is easy for him to do this and all her problems are gone. Dead people dont need to attend court. This is the power of a master. life and death are in his hands.

We live in the physical world. Yet follow spirituality cos we believe there is something higher.
Babaji represents both a physical being and a spiritual being.
His teachings should help us form our own spiritual Master, someone we turn to to help us connect to our spiritual selves. And despite what karma he is going through in the physical form, we should be strong enough to differentiate the spiritual master. After all that is why we are here?

Babaji will feel the loss of his wife but he has the capability to handle this better than most of us will. That doesn’t mean I shouldn’t feel for him and what he is going through.

I have my own battles with physical babaji. At a personal level my life is upside down due to his ongoing counsel with my soon to be outlaws. But thanks to this I get to find positives in my situation and I just have to say thank you Babaji as I rebuild. And I am more in touch with spiritual Babaji.

Ultimately we all need a belief system. One that works for us. If Babaji isn’t helping you or Rssb isn’t that belief system then please use your energy to find an alternative belief system. It will help you more than finding faults in this one.

Smile and be happy. Our lives could be so much worse.

Jesse's last post is spot on. Punishment is due. But I also agree with those saying do your meditation. Just not under the auspice of any human, but based on the light within.

@Sunil "lots of people who were close to GSD left him because they found the truth, the real face of GSD"

It certainly seems that way. No Satsangi has an answer for this, I take it?

If you truly believe in the master, do you think he has no mastery over death? you think he is just ordinary man like others?
death is his choice. his wife has left and maybe he too will leave. if life is not enjoyable, why remain? How can he be sad? You think he is just ordinary? I think he is leaving soon. Death is simply leaving the body, which he does everyday. Death is not to be feared by a master. it is like playing with a toy.
swami shiv dayal took his soul up then bought it down again. death is a choice for a saint. nothing to fear.
if a sant dies, why cry? as he is going to his true home. cry for the manmukhs who are born again and again.
god bless you all

All, at end of the day, if an individual lives a good life, honest & benefiting others, he/she will be looked upon favourably by God, if he/she exists

Only weak individuals need to believe in these dodgy baba’s like Ram Rahim, Sai Baba (he with the astonishing Afro) & GSD

These Baba’s are purely a commercial exercise in India, which explains why there are literally thousands of these charlatans there. If India wasn't such a religious country, girls wouldn't be getting set on fire or raped on buses

Friends all ... we are not at a level from which we can see all karmic interactions and what exactly the truth is. Perhaps we should therefore refrain from calling people names. Specifically, satsangis should avoid doing that which will bring shame upon their Master. And the uninitiated would be well advised to avoid bringing shame upon themselves by what they say or do. If we can all agree that empathy and loving one another is the highest precept, then let’s redouble our efforts at practicing it. Masters of the past have said that it is in our treatment towards others that our progress is known. Let this truth guide our actions, but not become the basis for tearing down others who fall short of the mark.

Many people don't know this, but you can read something you disagree with on the internet and just move on with your life.

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