RSSB guru and his family ordered to submit financial information

Thanks to commenters on this blog who shared links to these stories, here's additional reporting in the Indian financial press about the financial fraud saga involving the Singh brothers and their cousin, Gurinder Singh Dhillon, the guru of Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB).

Neither story appears to be good news for Dhillon and his family.

They've been ordered to submit income tax returns, bank statements, and balance sheets related to financial transactions that, according to the High Court of Delhi, concern money owed to Malvinder Singh and public companies once controlled by him.

This seems to show that authorities view it as likely that the Dhillon family does owe money that needs to be repaid, perhaps on the order of hundreds of millions of dollars. The RSSB guru has claimed that he doesn't owe anything. That's possible, but unlikely.

The other story speaks of emails "connected with proceeds of crime" that are being investigated by the Enforcement Directorate. Since Malvinder Singh has accused the RSSB guru and his close associate, Sunil Godhwani, of criminal fraud in siphoning off money into shell companies controlled by the Dhillons, tracking who ended up with the money obviously is key to that criminal complaint.

Defenders of the guru claim that Malvinder Singh is the person who orchestrated the massive financial fraud. This makes little sense, though. 

Why would Malvinder set up a complex maze of financial transactions through many shell companies if his goal was to steal money from the companies he once controlled? And why would Malvinder want the Dhillon family to be directors of the shell companies?

Further, if Malvinder committed financial fraud, why would he make a criminal complaint last February against Dhillon, his family, and Godhwani? The complaint would draw attention to Malvinder by legal authorities, which seemingly isn't what someone engaged in financial fraud would want.

Here's the Business Today story.

Delhi high court Saturday ordered the RSSB chief Gurinder Singh Dhillon and his family members to submit their income proofs as part of Daiichi Sankyo case proceedings. The court asked the family to furnish their income tax returns, bank statements and balance sheets before the court within four weeks

"The garnishees who are disputing the liability of judgment debtors shall file the Income Tax Returns, bank statements and balance sheets for the relevant year to show how they have reflected the relevant transaction in their income tax return," the court order said.

"The judgment debtors shall also file the Income Tax Returns, bank statements and balance sheets for the relevant year to show the transaction between the judgment debtors or their related companies and garnishees. These documents be filed within a period of four weeks," it added.

Also Read:Delhi court seeks action report on Malvinder Singh's complaint against brother Shivinder, RSSB chief Dhillon, Sunil Godhwani

Meanwhile, Saket Court Sessions Judge Sandeep Yadav rejected further enforcement directorate (ED) custodial interrogations of former Ranbaxy promoter Malvinder Singh and former Religare Chairman Sunil Godhwani. Malvinder and Godhwani will be sent to judicial custody and the concerned order is awaited on the same.

Malvinder and Sunil Godhwani are presently in the custody of the ED for interrogation in a money laundering case lodged by the agency in relation to the alleged misappropriation of funds of Religare Finvest Ltd (RFL).

In February this year, Malvinder had filed a complaint in his personal capacity with Delhi Police's Economic Offences Wing claiming that his brother and other accused had colluded to cheat him.

Also Read:Daiichi case: 6 days to deadline, RSSB chief Dhillon & family back off from court appearance; cite 'surgeries', 'satsang' as reasons

Malvinder had named Shivinder, Dhillon, his wife Shabnam Dhillon, sons Gurpreet and Gurkirat, daughter-in-law Nayantara Dhillon, Sunil Godhwani and his brother Sanjay Godhwani, and others in his complaint. He had blamed the accused of wrongly taking control and misappropriating funds of RHC Holding Pvt Ltd, the holding company of the Religare group.

In his complaint, Malvinder had blamed Shivinder of siphoning off funds "with the ulterior motive of gaining ultimate control of the seat of spiritual head of the RSSB which has been promised to him by Dhillon in lieu of this financial gain to himself".

Malvinder had also stated that Shivinder had "unilaterally signed a purported "family settlement" with Dhillon agreeing to absolve him of all wrongdoing whatsoever and agreeing that no liabilities or legal proceedings or criminality would be attributable to Dhillon". He further said that Dhillon had been "threatening him from time to time to sign the same settlement".

Also Read: Recover money from RSSB chief Dhillon & family to pay Singh brothers' dues to Daiichi: Delhi HC

And here's The Economic Times story.

A Delhi court today disposed of a plea to extend custodial interrogation for ex promoter of Ranbaxy Malvinder Singh filed by the Directorate of Enforcement (ED).

The court after considering “rival contentions” and having gone through the application and status report, opined that further custodian interrogation is neither “required” nor “warranted”.

The ED had filed an application in a Delhi court seeking five days further custody of Singh, in a money laundering case lodged by the ED in relation to an alleged misappropriation of funds of Religare Finvest Ltd (RFL). The ED told that court that new facts have emerged after interrogation and during the course of interrogation emails dump of accused and other key management persons have been received which are “voluminous” and are under investigation.

The ED also told the court the e-mails have data connected with proceeds of crime and that Singh is required to be confronted with the e-mails. It further pointed that during their course of investigation, it has summoned two directors of companies “where proceeds of crime” has been transferred. “Three people have been called to join investigation who are required to be confronted with accused persons. It is therefore submitted that further custodian interrogation of the accused is required,” the ED said in its plea.

Manu Sharma, the counsel for Singh vehemently opposed the extension of the custody, submitting that the laptop of Singh was seized in August and there was no justification as to why he was not confronted with those emails earlier. While the ED said that these are fresh emails recovered on November 15, the court while rejecting the plea, remanded Singh to judicial custody till December 7.

The Enforcement agency, on November 14, had arrested Malvinder over charges of misappropriation of funds in RFL.

Malvinder and his brother Shivinder Mohan Singh, the erstwhile promoters of Religare Enterprises Limited (REL), are facing charges of cheating, criminal conspiracy and criminal breach of trust. EOW had picked up the two and ex CMD of REL Sunil Godhwani last month.

The case was registered on the complaint of a senior Religare manager. It was alleged that the company and its subsidiary RFL were cheated and properties worth “hundreds of crores have been misappropriated, siphoned off and diverted through a labyrinth of financial transactions”. The Singh brothers had, in collusion with the co-accused, “orchestrated the financial scam in or around 2016”, the complaint said.

Comments

[Jesse]

"They've been ordered to submit income tax returns, bank statements, and balance sheets etc etc"

You'd think this would have been day one of the process.

As for Malvinder setting up everyone else, I'd suspect the exact opposite is true. It's pretty hard for one person to conspire against an entire group of people, all of whom have similar access and control of financial reports and other insider information. It makes a lot more sense that a group who has full access and control would use it to heir advantage and set up one person as the fall guy.

I just want someone to get punished tho. A blood lust of sorts. RISE UP! Class war now!

[Spence Tepper]

Asking for the tax returns suggests the same trap used to imprison Al Capone: tax evasion.

[Truthonly]

That's a normal process for all fraud cases l guess where accused guys asked to submitt their Income Tax and Bank Statements...

I am really surprised that Baba submitted application to Court to exempt him for court appearance on 14th of November and giving excuses that he is diabetic, senior citizen, got cancer bla bla.... He is now in UK, living in his free Holiday home in Haynes with his wife and son and enjoying free housekeeping services.... Yesterday around 3000 people got together for his so called lecturer (Satsang). These RSSB administration is very clever ..they spread rumour by purpose that Baba is coming so more and more people can come and donate money....last year on paper they got donation around £2m(In reality it could be many fold)

Today Sunday, 24th Nov people are expecting him to give his lecture so Haynes must be expecting more than 5000 people today

My question is if Baba can travel to UK and all over the world but why he canot go to the court..he presents too many excuses to escape from court appearance...Is it not lie? What he preaches and what he does totally different....or there is a fear????
Before this..all RSSB followers were saying Baba volunteer himself to court and will appear in front of judges on 14th Nov..he doesn't have anything to hide..bla bla.
But when he didn't appear and sent excuses..then tjey were saying..oh his wife is ill bla bla
Why his wife is staying in Haynes..family must have many properties in UK and Baba's son l guess based in UK. They just want yo enjoy free Charity luxurious life and all followers are finding them blindly

[Neon]

"We are an open book"
- Some RSSB Fraud

[Herprit]

How anyone can say this without knowing the facts that RSSB is fraud about the chief Guru.

[Ady]

These so called baba's are living off gullible people. They would do all sorts of things, enjoy material life to the hilt and yet proclaim selves as messengers of God. The fault lies with people who are ready to fall for loads of codswallop peddled by thz fake people in collusion with few idiotic die hard supporters. These people are no less than "escobars" goons who can bring a city down with riots and violence if any one would speak negative about thz fake gurus in the open. True gurus first renounce all sorts of earthly pleasures and modern age gurus have properties worth millions, businesses, and what not. These satsangs are just fronts to earn and conceal I'll gotten wealth.

[Jas]

And my mom wants to donate half of the porperties my dad worked hard to accumulate to this IN THE UK...#notachance calling the trust lawyer...tomorrow.

[maninder]

baba ji is good

[maninder]

no body say anything about baba ji he is pure

[Geetanjali]

May be we should not point anyone without knowing about full matter let wait for result

[Jatinder pal singh Singh]

All are thugg, looting people with false promises.

[Neon]

Herprit please look at the past news and try to think. Now I know that its somewhat daunting to use your own "intellect" (a word RSSB hates), but thats what is needed. Of all the babas and alll the gurus in the world, getting arrested left and right, what makes you think yours is so holy?

[Simran]

Just forget all about fraud, or all thefts...

Just Compare RSSB Baba's life style with real saints like Kabir, Nanak, Ravidaas.... how simple they were..they could have noumbrr of properties and unlimited cash...they could have 100s of centers ...but no they decided to earn threir living in honest way and stayed simple

Now look on this Baba..his lust is not coming to an end..how many centers were made using power and captured land. In Dera a Wall was created in night to captured the govt land...Mussoorie centre was built illegally but demolished by the local govt but Baba used political power and it was built again.....Villagers in Beas were threatened to sell their land to Dera...A Gurdwara was demolished...lots of similar examples

RSSB followers says Baba uses his own money to travel and stay...
It takes millions of pound to travel business class or chartered plane to travel all over the world...Does Baba has this level of earning..if yes then what does he do?..he says he is retired and have only Rs 60,000(£500) per month..who will believe this??

Followers don't want to use mind..just want to follow blindly...Many people donated their hard earning to this corrupt family...
In Dera people bought flats but couldn't sell as Dera didn't let them to sell to any outsiders

I am not sure Karma really works...as can't see this Baba even believe in it

[Nancy]

Brian not just Malvinder but a few criminally minded people are behind this whole scheme.

I know this is not what you would “like” to believe as it would make you feel totally justified for doing what you do if the Guru was involved in all this wrongdoing however that is NOT the truth at all. And it will come out because it always will. It maybe delayed as the Guru will not react but it will eventually reveal itself.

In the meantime you may want to educate yourself on the brothers one of which has filed this unbelievable report against the Guru. How reliable is this guy? Have a listen.
https://youtu.be/VUSzyXuGYF0

[Omprakash]

Rssb guru will present all papers needed by court..will do nothing against law...let the time prove it..wait

Omprakash

[Guru Rakha]

@Nancy...no one is saying Singh Brothers are innocent..they all did this fraud with Baba and his family and many more

Just look on the events, documents, Baba's statements and his life style..you will get the answer

Be analytic rather than blind follower...open for the truth which is real Sant Mat

[j]

"In the meantime you may want to educate yourself on the brothers one of which has filed this unbelievable report against the Guru. How reliable is this guy? Have a listen."
https://youtu.be/VUSzyXuGYF0

How reliable is the guy on this video? He claims "there's no such thing as the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation."
"The Clinton Foundation was founded in 1997 as the William J. Clinton Foundation"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation

I didn't have time to listen to the entire 45 minute video. Where in the part on it that mentions the "unbelievable report" you're referring to?

[persona judicis]

And my mom wants to donate half of the porperties my dad worked hard to accumulate to this IN THE UK...#notachance calling the trust lawyer...tomorrow.

Posted by: Jas | November 24, 2019 at 04:00 AM

Buddy, work hard, accumulate as much property you want and do whatever you want with it. Your wealth. Wouldn't you like to decide what you want to do with it.

Your father's properties are your mom's before they are yours.

Be happy it's only 50%.

A lawyers advice.

[Narender]

Guys without knowing facts ! Should not blame to any one !! Case is court facts will come out kindly keep patient!! I am ready to give my hole property & balance for baba ji !!

[persona judicis]

I am not sure Karma really works

Posted by: Simran | November 24, 2019 at 09:03 AM

Oh for sure karma works. Just that a handful of these Babas are beyond karmas.

[Hemant Vaswani]

I am 101% sure that you don't have guts to retain this post of mine. It will get deleted immediately.
Only reason is I am writing a fact which you and readers of your blog are not able to digest.

I am surprised and unable to conclude the objective of your blog.
Being an Indian homeland, no one is doing such bullshit job the way you are doing the mud slinging work.

He is living with a same human nature which you and we are living.

To err is to human

If your great teacher or mentor or professor at you alma mater does the same thing, i challenge you dare to write such thing for them

Its like you guys are unnecessarily creating a commotion and mountain out of seeds of mustard.

I am 101% sure that you don't have guts to retain this post of mine. It will get deleted immediately.
Only reason is I am writing a fact which you and readers of your blog are not able to digest.

[Arjuna]

@ Nancy

Tru to understand that GSD through his nephews under a bus . Stop protecting that corrupt family. You mean zilch to him.

Zilch remember that word lady !!!

[gurjot]

@simran,

1)FYI, GSD and his family belongs to top 5 landlords of punjab. He was born rich and its not his fault.
He is a owner of many firms and huge land and it belonged to him,when he was not a GURU.

2) Show me a proof that Gurdwara was demolished. My good friend was there when this whole process took place. So dont throw anything coming in your mouth.

3)There are lot of saints who were born in rich family,even many avatars of kaal. I dont want to compare his name with any previous saint, otherwise you will say that how can you compare him with others ?

4) Being born in a rich family is not bad, living a good life is not bad, but having lust of all such things makes your karma.

The point is , you want him to fall as you guys come here for agenda of defaming him by using half cooked statements. Even if he comes out clean, you will say, he pressurized judiciary by money bla bla ..

Show me a single picture or instance where you found him living a luxurious life. Travelling in a plane is not a luxury, you want him to travel by cycle ?

[A wise 🦉]

"Show me a proof that Gurdwara was demolished. My good friend was there when this whole process took place. So dont throw anything coming in your mouth."

Posted by: gurjot | November 24, 2019 at 11:12 AM

A Gurdwara was brought down. Another word for this demolished. This is a fact. Whether a process was followed or no doesn't matter.

A fact also is that the local Sikhs took objections - the same Akalis that GSD and/or his extended family are supposedly in cahoots with.

The compromise worked out was a Gurudwara within the Dera!!!!!

What tale did your good friend spin to you about why a Gurudwara within Dera when GSD often threatens that he will bring down even the Satsang Ghar.

PS: I am neutral to the event of bringing down a 'man made' structure!!

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Gurjot
All that is in the press is what happened after he became the Guru.

You wrote
"4) Being born in a rich family is not bad, living a good life is not bad, but having lust of all such things makes your karma."

The decisions you make mean everything. Wealth is a huge burden, a huge responsibility, because, as Maharaji stated, the distribution system is flawed, where there is so much food and wealth and people are still starving and homeless.

The burden and the temptations are much greater where there is wealth. You have to nearly be a Saint just to avoid inadvertently supporting harm and exploitation on a huge scale by nothing more than where you invest and keep your money.

The burden is much much greater. And so great credit to those who do not let it corrupt them. But they are in the minority.

It's the cycle. Corruption is inevitable for the majority of the wealthy.

But for a poor person to give everything they have, their last crumb of bread, to a hungry child, that is the fast path to Sainthood.

Much easier for them. And it is the poorest of the poor who naturally are slated to move up next.

They are on l nature's own path of spirituality and you will find many highly developed souls among them.

[Di]

It appears everyone who comments here is at different stages of grief or potential loss of (faith, religion, belief, etc.) And we are vocalizing and projecting our statesof acceptance. Whether we realize it or not, current issues are causing religious or spiritual distress in satsangis and conflicts within families in which members are at different stages, as it doing amongst us commentators.

I agree the truth will manifest itself. Only a handful of people know this truth. They can help us by sharing the truth.

Someone had posted these stages on this site a while ago:
1. Denial: it can't be. Doctor gives us s terminal diagnosis. First reaction, it can't be. We want a second or third opinion. Good coping option for a while.
2. Anger: anger at everyone, the world, even God. Why me? Why did I notice the symptoms? Why didn't someone else tell me go see a doctor.why is God not taking care of this. We lash out at anyone who offers any explanation.
3. Depression: we see no way out, lose hope, and feel isolated. We lose our faith and beliefs.
4. Bargaining: we get a bit of energy, and pray to doctors or to God to make it all go away, and I will do anything you ask of me.
5: Acceptance: it is what it is. I have to live with it. I surrender to this truth!

It would be a great help to satsangis, who are struggling with current news issues, if RSSB site or centers would offer facts, FAQs, support groups or counseling sessions.

[Jen]

"Wealth is a huge burden, a huge responsibility, because, as Maharaji stated, the distribution system is flawed, where there is so much food and wealth and people are still starving and homeless."

"But for a poor person to give everything they have, their last crumb of bread, to a hungry child, that is the fast path to Sainthood."

Spence, you seem to have a puritanical approach to life and I think that you probably would worship the guru if he was poor and living the life of a beggar, or someone who when nailed to a cross would say "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".

No-one is perfect imo and to put someone on a pedestal and expect perfection is foolish. Also the opposite of worshipping another is this huge problem with judgment because someone does not fulfil those expectations of perfection.

Maybe you should remind yourself... “Do not judge, so that you will not be judged, since you will be judged in the same judgment that you make, and you will be measured by the same standard you apply.”

[Simran]

@ Gurjot

GSD and his family belongs to top 5 landlords

Where did you get this information???
Family was getting RSSB fund for long time l guess

Do you know how rich was Guru Nanak, his dad gave him Rs 20 (today figure Rs 20 0,0000) to do business..what did he do??gave all money to needy ..fed them and donated....Can this Baba has courage to do this???

There are too many poor families in Beas who can not have two times of food)

I met a Riksha puller in Beas and he told me he was threaten by RSSB guys to come in a village as that village most of lands were grabbed by Baba and farmers were threatened to sell their land cheap.

Many lands around Beas were grabbed by Beas illegally

Do you know they openly tell people do not buy any land upto 5km from dera

Regarding Gurdwara..if you have seen some TV channel footage..they demolished an old Gurdwara but other one they dig 20ft deep and wide around Gurdwara.. disconnected its electricity and Water. When other people found about it then they were forced to Back down. I seen all photos..you can google them

Regarding Baba luxurious life?? Just go to his rooms in Dera or Haynes in UK..you will see. Haynes house they made illegally on charity's land. You can not find any photo as they don't let anyone to take photo...fear to get caught wrong doing.

https://www.sikh24.com/2012/07/06/radhasoamis-destroy-historical-gurdwara-near-beas/#.XdruAqinyNx

Regarding Gurdwara inside dera.. do you know the land was donated and Registered on Sri Guru Granth Sahib...latter RSSB changed its registered owner also Stri Guru Granth Sahib was taken away

Travelling by plane is not luxurious but just see Business class..Charted planes, security people...even a millionaire will not be able to afford this life style for long

And in the last..Baba made too many excuses in india to escape from court appearance but bow in UK with his wifee and son...

[KS]

@Gurjot
(1) Big landlord was abolished in 1953,following which big landlords had to sell excees land of more than 25 acres.GSD amassed many thousands of acres by violating the law with the help of his friends in government.He illegally diverted river Beas causing lands of others to be submerged in water.
(2) Gurdwara was demolished and then rebuilt by GSD following protests.
(3)Saints like Guru Nanak,Mahatma Budh and many others were born rich but they gave away their wealth to help needy people.
(4)GSD was not born rich,he became rich by being associated with Majithia-Badal gang and many other corrupt politicians.

[Karim W. Rahmaan]

Guys without knowing facts ! Should not blame to any one !! Case is court facts will come out kindly keep patient!! I am ready to give my hole property & balance for baba ji !!

Posted by: Narender | November 24, 2019 at 10:25 AM

This post is better than any I could post. I came to this blog thinking maybe inspire Blogger to meditate RSSB way again.

But now I see, the thing really bringing me here are posts like these from Satsangi sisters and brothers. "Do meditation, and conquer your own mind/intelect. One who successful in doing that -the world can't touch him." Not my words, but words of true Satsangis.

[Anon]

Di
I noticed a while back you had a true struggle about the news articles and I emailed you multiple times about this. I don’t think at this point you are really interested (like most people on this blog) about what is true as you continue to speak along the same lines. If what I messaged you did not help then the only answer is the one the Master gives us all the time. Look for it within, there is a lot of peace love and contentment within yourself try and tap into that energy and your mind will be at ease. Hope this helps brother. All the best

[Nancy]

J you said
“Where in the part on it that mentions the "unbelievable report" you're referring to?”
The unbelievable report is the one he filed against Master. I forwarded this talk to give some information on the brothers character and how they are accused of multiple issues. This is for all the people who wonder why he would file this against the Guru.

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Jen
You wrote
"Maybe you should remind yourself... “Do not judge, so that you will not be judged, since you will be judged in the same judgment that you make, and you will be measured by the same standard you apply.”

But I learned that standard from Maharaji. And then Baba Ji did his thing with raising that bar even higher. I dare not even think about any other standard.

My father can handle my complaints about a double standard so long as I continue to embrace the standard he gave me, with love and a little complaint.

"If salt loses its saltiness, what is it worth? Nothing."

[J]

"information on the brothers character and how they are accused of multiple issues"

Goodman's (is that the guy wearing the ball cap?) beef with the Singh brothers is that they were peddling bad pharma. But pharma corporations losing lawsuits for bad drugs is nothing new, and Ranbaxy doesn't even make the top ten list.
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/biggest-pharmaceutical-lawsuits/

Malvinder and his brother are RSSB satsangis. Sunil Godwhani is also an RSSB initiate and a close associate of Gurinder's and was said to be the guru's personal treasurer. Reports are that Sunil became involed with Ranbaxy because of Gurinder's recommendation.

Now all 3 of these RSSB initiates, these close associates of Gurinder, are presently in prison. The reason? Money they sent to Dhillon family members from their corporation is now missing.

Malvinder doesn't have the missing money. Shivinder and Sunil don't have the money either. Where did it all go?

When asked to come to court and give his account of where the missing money is, Gurinder begged off, citing "Satsang schedules" and an inability to travel far because of his diabetes.

This scandal isn't going to go away by trying to blame it all on Malvinder's lack of character. There are two other RSSB bigwigs right there in prison with him. Is it some kind of karmic coincidence that all 3 of these RSSB initiates, personally favored by Gurinder initiates, apparently went rogue together?

Then there's another source apart from RSSB -- the Indian filmmaker who is suing Gurinder Singh for refusing to pay back a personal loan of 1 million dollars.

Malvinder is a bad man? Maybe, maybe not. But I don't see anything "incredible" in his accusations against Guru Gurinder. We know that an incredible amount of money was sent to the Dhillon family from RSSB initiates with close ties to Gurinder, and that the parties who sent that money no longer possess it, and that Gurinder is still refusing to even go to court to address the issue. In short, the whole situation stinks and it looks terrible for RSSB. It's a situation that deserves a better response from Satsang than suggestions that the whole thing was Malvinder's fault.

[PJ]

@Simran .I don't know about the other stuff, you could very well be right, but the house at Haynes was already there when the property was purchased. It was used by the headteacher. It wouldn't be illegal to build a house there anyway dude.

[gurjot]

After reading few comments above..

1) Regarding to Gurdwara demolished. Here is the so called report.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/gurdwara-demolition-akal-takht-gives-clean-chit-to-beas-dera-followers/story-6IXwwWJTaqVY4VbVNZFVdP.html

Earlier, dera requested gurdwara priest about shifting SGGS to some better place(of their own choosing) inside dera ,as present gurdwara was conjusted, even did not have proper space for langar and present property was obstacle in further dera construction.
Priest was requested and they happily agreed( as they were getting more land and space to accommodate SGGS).
Anybody can go and see the new gurdwara inside dera and where its located now.

Proper ardaas was done by GSD there, then after, all formalities of shifting took place. But again ppl from amrtistar came and made it as issue of sikh vs Dera( as they usually do).

2) Those people who know dera of 90's know, how Charan singh got used to be mobbed by crowd during visit to any public place.
There is nothing wrong if a person bear his own expenses and travels by paying his own bills. Even GSD house inside dera, he pay for every sip of water he uses. He does multiple satsangs on same day at different locations.

Few years back, GSD was admitted in some hospital in mohali and again huge crowd got gathered there to see him. So here is the problem.

Few months back, his family member got seriously ill and he came back from singapore to see her, and after few hours, he returned back to singapore for further satsangs. of course, he will fly by plane and at his own chosen time so why he needs to fly by airlines ?
Whats wrong in it ?

3) Security issue.

As explained above, earlier GSD used to travel in blue color Wagon R car with some gypsy behind( guards). and those guards are not for his safety but to keep him away from mob like situation.

GSD has traveled to amritsar Darbar Sahib alone with 2-3 guards(not armed). He attends marriage ceremonies.. You call him security ?

He keeps guards to ensure his free passage.

4) From 1890 to till now, Dera has grown from small shed to huge one. How ?

Donations from public ? how much ppl donate and with that donation, you cant buy lands, your cant bring infrastructure and you cant run dera. You cant even run a langar with that money and sell subsidized stuff.

All Gurus , Jaimal Singh to Charan Singh, To GSD have contributed their wealth for dera.

Each and every time period ,age, comes with different responsibilities and being a rich does not mean that GSD is corrupt and lusty of wealth. Earlier gurus did not have that responsibility.

You must know, how and where he has been using his richness.

5) All land, which dera purchases, is through panchayat. Dera dont talk to every land owner. Few get along and few dont.

6) Malvinder etc knows where the money has been used and how but again, they wont utter a word.

[Simran]

@PJ

Yes, you are right house was there but it was burnt with lightning....it was built again with extension and luxurious facilities..after that its been only used by Baba and his family or distant relatives.

It has been told to everyone that Baba spent his own money to built it so he is using as his own holiday home.

One more thing..did you notice a bigg sign of PRIVATE PROPERTY emerges outside Haynes when Baba or his family is here

It has been said in so called Satsang that Baba is on his official tour please don't stay in Haynes after Satsang

What official tour??? Sants don't have any official tours..if he coming here living in RSSB property, enjoying free facilities then what official?
You can't even go inside Haynes apart from Sunday morning unless you are booked to work there free
Lots of families are having issues as one or some of their family members too brainwashed that giving their most of time and money to this organisation and ignoring family
I personally know few families where kids, husband or wife sufferered from this brainwash...some even had to go for divorce and some properties cases are in court
Do you think that people like you will believe in Court Judgement..No ..they will say all saints had to go to jail and Baba went there with his own wish to give benefits to prisoners...

But l am sure as court cases takes too long and political parties will make sure it happened...Baba might be dead by then and a new Baba will emerge from the family

That is the reason some people called it a biggest cult on earth

[gurjot]

See here ... How GSD is explaining about so called land prob. You may have an idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or-bNo1NRRg

[Tannu]

@Gurjot

"See here ... How GSD is explaining about so called land prob. You may have an idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or-bNo1NRRg"

Just listen carefully...Baba is threatening villagers to dare to fight with him...

The tone is very different what he uses in his satsangs...all know that everyone feared from him..he has power of police and political parties..how can small villagers can go against him in front of him..they will be beaten, murdered before you know it
He is Don of big land mafia ...no one can dear to fight with him openly

[The Smart One]

Simran,

1) Do you know they openly tell people do not buy any land upto 5km from dera

Me: they tell this to followers and not people. Get the difference huh??

2) Regarding Gurdwara inside dera.. do you know the land was donated and Registered on Sri Guru Granth Sahib...latter RSSB changed its registered owner also Stri Guru Granth Sahib was taken away

Me: Gurudwara inside Dera therefore on land already owned by Dera. And that old Gurudwara outside Dera also happened to be on a land parcel which was owned by Dera. Owner can do whatever it wants with it - donate it, sell it, develop it, cultivate it or let it rot!! This cannot be anybody's concern except Dera.

3) There are too many poor families in Beas who can not have two times of food)

Me: I hardly ever see anybody begging in Beas. So much for this claim of 'many' poor families in Beas. Infact to the contrary Beas (and surounding) and Beas residents have only flourished and benefited due to RSSB. Excellent roads and station, hospital, school, skyrocketing land prices, thriving businesses due to flow of sangat.... the locals owe a lot to the Dera and this is largely acknowledged by locals as well. Of course there will be a few disgruntled and many displeased Sikh organizations who can't digest their own diminishing credibility due to RSSB Goodwill.

4) Land grabbing : again there will always be a few disgruntled used by certain vested interest to make noise. My own driver cum caretaker at Beas was incredibly happy at the deal RSSB gave him in exchange for his land/house.

5) Excuses Baba made - well the judge found them acceptable. Too bad you can't digest it.

6) Rs 20/- 525 years ago. Worth Rs. 2million only? Where did you get this equivalent? At 5% CAGR over 525 years Rs. 20/- is $38bln. GSD is a pauper comparatively. No rich father like Nanak to throw it all away. But one never knows... When he hits $38bln, he might give it all away.

[Harnaam singh]

Not the same as before.
Guru is no longer looked up to like before. People are getting suspicious.
Something is fishy.
Is he conman or guru?
One thing can be overlooked.
But too many now.
The actor who claims to have loaned him 1 million. Is this how a guru is supposed to handle someone who helps him?
Land grab? What kind of guru takes advantage of poor people?
The two brothers that made him and his family into billionaires need his help and he turns against them.
Sunil is his own man and he is in prison and most likely will get a jail sentence.

This is too far away from the ideal of the guru that has been explained in satsangs.

Path of the masters says that first he must be an ideal man. If he fails that test, has no character. No compassion etc, then seek no further, he cannot be a perfect master.

It is clear he has no compassion. Even ordinary man will not behave like him.

He fails all the tests
He lied to get out of a court appearance
He has taken part in a big fraud and it will come out in court soon.
Can guru be a fraudster? Is it still okay?
How far before people see it is a con?

And idiotic people are giving their property to this corrupt organisation

Time to leave

[Neon]

Yes yeesssss, GSD defenders out in full force!!! I'm lovin it!

[Chris]

Gurjot asked:“Show me a single instance where you found him living a luxurious life”.

Ok. Here is one. While Gurchetan Singh was alive Gurinder used to borrow and drive around England in his Rolls Royce.
That struck me as unneccesarily ostentatious and luxurious.

Here is another. Gurinder has sealed off the heart of the Dera and has renovated and moved into the house of Sawan Singh. All the earliest, historical buildings built and 'blessed' by the close association of his illustrious predecessors are now off-limits to the sangat. This is not only luxurious, exclusive use of the Dera by Gurinder of property built with the loving sacrificial service of the sangat, but they are now excluded from even seeing it. This is a travesty of the premise that the Dera belongs to the sangat.

[Ajay]

Without knowing facts it's very easy to blame. .. .. Doing PHD on others is very easy , check whether you yourself had completed your graduation.

Babaji is all to take care of you and your family.

[PJ]

@Simran Struck by lightning? Yes, someone on here said there was a fire there? Reminds me of the vatican getting hit as the anti-christ pope took over.

Houses very rarely get hit by lightning in this country. Even rarer to cause a fire. Maybe Zeus or Thor or Jove is getting displeased.

[Gus]

Omprakash

Your name rings a bell, are you based in Milton Keynes and have you worked as a team leader at the National Satsangs?

[La Madrugada]

@Gurjot

KS is right: GSD was not born rich,he became rich by being associated with Majithia-Badal gang and many other corrupt politicians.

Just before GSD became Guru he had very humble jobs in Delhi and in Málaga
(Spain), he is still a Spanish resident.

[Baba Land Grab]

@Gurjot,Tannu,Simran.
Can anyone imagine Jesus,Nanak,Kabir,Buddha telling small farmers that they need their lands.If farmers refused their routes/roads will be dug up,electric supplies disconnected with the help of corrupt officials.Many who refused to sell were harassed by state officials into selling their lands for fraction of market value,many of these could not read or write,small plots of land was their way of earning a living.All this happened while law says that no one can own more than 25 acres of agriculture land.

Downfall of Singh brothers and Ranbaxy was due to GSD and gang removing professional CEO Brar and Planting young ,unquallified Malwinder as CEO.

[The Smart One]

Chris,

1) Ok. Here is one. While Gurchetan Singh was alive Gurinder used to borrow and drive around England in his Rolls Royce.
That struck me as unneccesarily ostentatious and luxurious.

Me: don't you know he loves fast cars. He has driven my Ferrari as well. Nothing wrong. Everyone is entitled to his likes and it's certainly not being luxurious. It's not that he owns such cars.

2) Here is another. Gurinder has sealed off the heart of the Dera and has renovated and moved into the house of Sawan Singh. All the earliest, historical buildings built and 'blessed' by the close association of his illustrious predecessors are now off-limits to the sangat. This is not only luxurious, exclusive use of the Dera by Gurinder of property built with the loving sacrificial service of the sangat, but they are now excluded from even seeing it. This is a travesty of the premise that the Dera belongs to the sangat.

Me: Again not any sign of living a luxurious life. He did it for a reason. The well in that area - dumbass sangat started filling bottles treating it as some Amrit. Same with Sawan's house. Sangat would go and now at the entrance. You mention buildings 'blessed' by his illustrious predecessor - what nonsense. You speak like those many hundred dumbass Satsangis - blessed buildings, holy water, satsang Ghar is sachkhand.

Next you might say because he has uprooted Jaimal's room in Ghuman and brought it into Dera is another sign of his luxurious living. Why - because he now deprives all that sangat who went there and bowed their heads to that 'blessed' house where Jaimal lived.

Also (1) there is a reason why he moved out and into Sawan's house and (2) with the crowds being what they are blocking off portions where he lives is more a necessity. Dera isn't like old times - small and limited sangat, and is transforming accordingly.

[KS]

@The smart one.
"Owner can do whatever it wants with it,donate it , develop it, cultivate it,or let it rot,this can not be anyone's concern except owner.

No owner can not do whatever he wants with it as your master learned ,when he tried to sell land in Himachl pardes last year . Land registrar refused on grounds that RSSB had certified themselves as agriculturalists in 1990,s and land owned was more than permitted.State lawyer's advised the government that it would be illegal to allow RSSB to sell excess land.

Smart asses believe they are above the law.

[Neon]

The tone of GSD in that recording is absolutely disguisting. Those poor poor people dare not say anything against him. Almost an abuse of power.

[Chris]

EXAMPLES OF LUXURIOUS LIVING

1) Ok. Here is one. While Gurchetan Singh was alive Gurinder used to borrow and drive around England in his Rolls Royce.
That struck me as unneccesarily ostentatious and luxurious.

The Smart One: don't you know he loves fast cars. He has driven my Ferrari as well. Nothing wrong. Everyone is entitled to his likes and it's certainly not being luxurious. It's not that he owns such cars.
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I regard that reasoning as self-delusional denial.
1. Rolls Royce cars are widely considered to be the epitome of "luxurious" driving.
2. Rolls Royce's aren't appreciated for being "fast cars" but for their comfort and status.
3. And he himself wasn't driving it the times when I witnessed him arriving at Haynes in it.

If he'd just driven it once or twice and away from sangat affairs, then THAT could be excused as simple appreciation of cars. But to repeatedly to turn up for satsang with someone chauffering him in it? C'mon.

2) Here is another. Gurinder has sealed off the heart of the Dera and has renovated and moved into the house of Sawan Singh. All the earliest, historical buildings built and 'blessed' by the close association of his illustrious predecessors are now off-limits to the sangat. This is not only luxurious, exclusive use of the Dera by Gurinder of property built with the loving sacrificial service of the sangat, but they are now excluded from even seeing it. This is a travesty of the premise that the Dera belongs to the sangat.

The Smart One: Again not any sign of living a luxurious life. He did it for a reason. The well in that area - dumbass sangat started filling bottles treating it as some Amrit.
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This also I regard as a clear denial of reality. The taps to the well were removed decades ago, so the water has not been accessible since then but goes direct into the Dera communal water supply.

The Smart One: Also (1) there is a reason why he moved out and into Sawan's house and (2) with the crowds being what they are blocking off portions where he lives is more a necessity. Dera isn't like old times - small and limited sangat, and is transforming accordingly.
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The two Nam ghars built by Sawan and used by Jaimal and Sawan were used by the sangat, one as a newspaper reading room. So the idea that historically significant buildings have been closed off purely to stop worshipful, idolatrous attitudes and behaviour is nonsense.
The reality is that Gurinder HAS closed off the heart of the Dera for his own personal use. Its not just the house of Sawan Singh he has appropriated for him and his family. Anyone who can't admit that is fooling themself. Your denial of truth does no-one any good. Face facts.

And anyway, if he can't teach his followers how to approach the practice of abhyas properly then surely that is a FAILURE of himself as Guru and of his teachings.
He not only does not teach or correct his followers, he participates in humouring their delusional behaviour and attitudes. I have witnessed it increasingly. Plus he doesn't present his own teachings — correcting the wrong behaviour of his time — in any form that they can have permanent and easy access to as his immediate predecessors did. This is supposedly the role of a living Master, presenting the eternal teachings tailored to the needs of the time. He doesn't discuss the teachings of his predecessors now.

If you compare the lifestyle of every Beas guru from Jaimal to Charan, with the living standards of their time, only someone who was deceiving themself would argue that Gurinder's jet-set lifestyle with his own private jet and airfield, his many houses in many countries — some privately owned and some owned by the sangat but reserved and maintained for his private use at sangat expence — would seriously argue that is not luxurious living by the standards of our time.

Stop fooling yourself.

[Whodunit]

He comes with a 'Bang' and all the little 'banglets' can't handle it. Ah poor dears, shame.

[curiousseeker]

Chris,

I understand your reasoning. Make sense. However, what prompted you to become more
critical?

Thanks,

Curiousseeker

[Chris]

I have always been critical. Always. Even in my most adoring devotional stage with Charan. I have corrected Charan in public meetings, maybe three times. The last time it went on for about fifteen minutes. Orher people didn't like that one. Even though ai was respectful. But they didn't like my persistence I suppose.
I think you can still love someone and yet be aware of their errors, weaknesses, imperfections and/or frailties.
I've never experienced this 'love is blind' concept. For me you love people INCLUDING their flaws and imperfections, not inspite of them. This has been my experience any way.
So when I took Charan to task in open-meetings, it was not because I stopped loving and admiring him, but because I also love what I regard as truth. And if you have an issue I think its best to deal with it face to face or directly. Not talk about it about them or behind their back.
So I have explained my view on the second point I mentioned above to Gurinder directly in a two page letter that his secretary promised me she would personally see he received.
I think if you really love people that means you are true to them and with them.

And as I get older I have become less tolerant of what I regard as self-serving deceptions. Which is why I responded here twice tonight, to what I see as that.

You may already know I have done the same with Brian H here also.

My own increasing flaw or weakness is that I have chosen not to permit what I see are self-serving deceptions that cause others suffering.

[j]

Last night I was reading through several chapters of Yogananda's famous book Autobiography of a Yogi. I haven't picked up the book in many years, and I probably first read it 40 years ago.

When I first read it I was filled with wonder, if not outright belief. But reading it last night the feeling was one of deep suspicion. Scratch that. I now feel that 90% of Yogananda's book is just made-up stories that were published for the sake of attracting new students.

So today I did a bit of research and found out that Autobiography had been a work in progress involving Yogananda and a team of writers for years and years before it was first published. Many of the stories weren't they first-person accounts as they are depicted in the book but were culled from popular Indian myths and hagiography. Many of the stories are just absurd.

Then there's the stuff about the lawsuits against Yogananda by aggrieved husbands of his female students and further evidence that the portly Paramahansa was quite sexually active in the 1920s.

We don't see these things when we're young and naive.

[Jesse]

J, I think I posted something about that autobiography book and that guru a few months back. If I can find the site again I'll post a link, but yoganandas life was full of scandal, including a child he had with a disciple that the org hastily dismissed as untrue, and the fact that his guru yukteswar supposedly disowned him and didn't approve of his work.

The western guru who took over years later was involved in sexual scandals as well. Goes with the territory I guess.

[Namita]

My guru is best no one can blame to him

[gurjot]

So ppl are no longer concerned about the context of the video link posted above, but they are concerned with tone(sarcastic) of GSD.

Pls convince me that you dont have an agenda.

[The Smart One]

. Rolls Royce cars are widely considered to be the epitome of "luxurious" driving.
2. Rolls Royce's aren't appreciated for being "fast cars" but for their comfort and status.
3. And he himself wasn't driving it the times when I witnessed him arriving at Haynes in it.

If he'd just driven it once or twice and away from sangat affairs, then THAT could be excused as simple appreciation of cars. But to repeatedly to turn up for satsang with someone chauffering him in it? C'mon.

Posted by: Chris | November 25, 2019 at 12:31 PM

1. Rolls Royce cars are widely considered to be the epitome of "luxurious" driving
2. Rolls Royce's aren't appreciated for being "fast cars" but for their comfort and status.

Me:Did I say that RR's are junk, down-market for the masses? Am sure you have driven RR's to know 0-100kms in ~5s. Must be slow for you. Not so for GSD.

3. And he himself wasn't driving it the times when I witnessed him arriving at Haynes in it.

Me: maybe is relevant to you. Btw what do you have to say about the Wagon R he is 'driven in' to Satsangs in Dera?? Jeez it costs <$9k. What a pathetic show of wealth. And in your unsurpassable wisdom - What's the minimum number of luxury cars a supposedly billionaire guru leading a luxurious life ought to own? 6, 10, a dozen, none? Maybe that's why you say he leads a luxurious life.

What other fetish he ought to have about the fast luxury cars he should start owning ? Match the colours with his turbans like that British Bill Gates?

Bottom line:

Being 'driven around' by someone in their RR
(a) might be obscene through your myopic sight - but then this is your problem not his. To all his followers the car he is 'driven in' doesn't matter a bit.
(b) is not good enough to prove the point that GSD leads a luxurious life.

And I sincerely hope soon enough someone 'drives him' in the La Voiture Noire

[Meditator]

Too much of reading into His personal - luxurious life and wealthy tastes do not make Him a culprit as He may perhaps afford same or used the offered/served in style, in a platter by His High n mighty n wealthy disciples-relatives et al in India and abroad.

Deceiving, telling lies, hiding, etc are the real concerns who He is feared to have been actually embroiled in or alleged so / concluded so by some of us on this forum.

[Meditator]

The middle line may please be read as:

... the offered services served in style, ...

Which got posted incorrectly in haste in my previous comment.

[Anonom]

Malvinder is not backing down and went straight for GSD. Says GSD has 2,000 Crore and no one is going after him because GSD is being protected.
2,000 Crore is around $280 Million USD.

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/religare-case-agencies-trying-to-shield-gurinder-singh-dhillon-says-malvinder-singh-s-counsel-11574770415388.html

[Anonom]

Also looks like Shivinder is no angel, as some here on this blog seem to think. He's been blocking efforts to recover money from garnishees, including Radha Saomi Satsang Beas chief Gurinder Singh Dhillon and his family members. Link is below.

https://indianexpress.com/article/business/companies/restrain-shivinder-singh-from-moving-other-courts-rhc-holding-asks-delhi-hc-6136915/

[A Smart One]

The two Nam ghars built by Sawan and used by Jaimal and Sawan were used by the sangat, one as a newspaper reading room. So the idea that historically significant buildings have been closed off purely to stop worshipful, idolatrous attitudes and behaviour is nonsense.
The reality is that Gurinder HAS closed off the heart of the Dera for his own personal use. Its not just the house of Sawan Singh he has appropriated for him and his family. Anyone who can't admit that is fooling themself. Your denial of truth does no-one any good. Face facts.

Posted by: Chris | November 25, 2019 at 12:31 PM

Me: right, face facts. Do you have anything to back up your statement that GSD has 'appropriated' any part of Dera as his. He stays within Dera. And he lives in the house where Sawan lived. So what? Should he live in South India instead of inside Dera? Should his family not live with him wherever he resides? Is this how you managed your family, if you have one? It's obvious you are quite clueless as to what the word 'appropriated' means. How come you didn't have this problem with your beloved Charan living within Dera in that huge house?

Heart of Dera - what is the heart of the Dera? Only people living thousands of miles from Dera and/or living in some godamn exclusive Hostel 6 think that that old portion of Dera is the heart of Dera. Heart is where the sangat is. It used to be that now enclosed area (with everything all around that part) decades ago. Now no longer!! And yes how come you forget the Library, the old guesthouse and a few private( I believe) residences of a few luminaries like Sondhi etc.

Anyways (1) Charan's residence was cordoned off rightly and so should GSD's be. You didn't have a problem with the former - can't have it with GSD. (2) historically significant buildings (as you would like to think) are no longer significant and relevant. Sangat visiting Dera aren't on some tourist trip wanting to visit structures of some historical significance - unless they are your kind and which thankfully are almost extinct.

Enclosed area for his private use - really. So how is that area put to use? To hold parties? Park his 100's of luxury cars? Developed as a private golf course or some indoor stadium? Or maybe used to build nuke proof bunkers for his and family safety? He must surely have built a replica of the Federal Reserve Bank vault in there to stash away the billions he has.

My foot the area has been cordoned off for his private use

And once again abject failure to establish he leads a luxurious life.

[j]

"How come you didn't have this problem with your beloved Charan living within Dera in that huge house?"

I've been asking this question of RSSB initiates for years. Many years ago I asked a Ruhani initiate about why he chose to get initiated in the Kirpal line instead of in RSSB, and he shrugged his shoulders and said: "Charan lives like a king."

Now the present head of Ruhani (SOS) also lives like a king, so let's face it, all these gurus have made out very well for themselves. The great mystery is where the money is all coming from.

Sawan Singh: Somehow this Indian Army engineer amassed huge tracts of land and set in motion a family dynasty that inexplicably accrued tremendous wealth.

Charan Singh: Humble lawyer retires in his 30s and receives huge amounts of money for the rest of his life from "the family farm," despite not working there to any significant extent. Engages in financial speculation, and has a real estate empire? Where did the money come from for this? His daughter marries one of the richest men in India. Why would an Indian family, notorious as they are that their children marry well, agree to a union with the parvenu Dhillon family?

Gurinder Singh: Says his wealth is only from money his family gave him. He's part of the Dhillon family, so again, just how much money does this family have that it can comfortably front one of their own and his wife and children, for life? Where did this money come from? How did Gurinder's wife achieve such substantial real estate holdings?

Rajinder Singh: No job for the last 30 years, but no shortage of cash, and now lives in 2 million dollar home with luxury sports cars and 2 kids put through medical school.

[Maria de La Torre]

La Voiture Noir? You are such a snob Smart One.
A mere $18 - Million!
You think that's soooo cool?
Little boys with their toys.
How many aching, starving bodies could be fed and clothed with $18- Million?
Quite a lot, I would say.