RSSB guru and his family ordered to repay up to $842 million

Thanks to a comment left on a post today by a blog visitor, I learned that a financial noose is tightening around the necks of Gurinder Singh Dhillon and his family, who, along with others, have been ordered to pay 6,000 crore rupees to RHC Holding -- which equals $842 million.

UPDATE: Someone just sent me a photo of the print version of the story. 

Here's how an Economic Times story, "Daiichi Sankyo-Ranbaxy case: HC asks Radha Soami head, 54 others to deposit Rs 6,000 crore," starts out (HC refers to the High Court of Delhi in India).

Download Daiichi Sankyo-Ranbaxy case: HC asks Radha Soami head 54 others to deposit Rs 6 000 crore

NEW DELHI: Gurinder Singh Dhillon, the spiritual head of the Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB), his family members and associates are among 55 individuals and entities ordered by a court to pay over Rs 6,000 crore owed to RHC Holding in connection with the settlement of a dispute related to Daiichi Sankyo’s acquisition of Ranbaxy Laboratories.

The Delhi high court ordered Dhillonʼs wife Shabnam, sons Gurkirat and Gurpreet and daughter-in-law Nayan Tara, among others, to pay up the amount due to RHC Holding, the flagship holding company of the Singh brothers who formerly owned Ranbaxy. Money will also be recovered from former Religare Enterprises chief Sunil Godhwani and his brother Sanjay Godhwani. The non-banking financial services conglomerate was formerly promoted by Malvinder and Shivinder Singh.

The amount should be deposited with the courtʼs registrar general within 30 days, according to the order dated September 27. Any party disputing the claim should file an affidavit to place their contention on record, Justice JR Midha said in the order, which ET reviewed. The entities cannot “dispose of, alienate, encumber directly or indirectly, part with the possession of any assets, except in the ordinary course of business like payment of salary and statutory dues, till the next date of hearing.”

Back in March I wrote a blog post based on reporting in the Indian financial press, "RSSB guru now faced with repaying $909 million in allegedly fraudulent loans." Excerpt:

I keep writing about this Indian financial saga, which could provide the plot for a great Bollywood movie, because it shows up so clearly the hypocrisy of many religious leaders.

The guru who leads a sect that teaches the goal of life is to purify the soul and mind so they can rise to higher spiritual regions has devoted himself to amassing worldly riches in a highly dubious manner, using his position as the head of RSSB to make himself rich. 

It'll be interesting to see if Malvinder succeeds in getting the money back from the RSSB guru and others. Hopefully he will. Gurus can't hold themselves above the law, even though their devotees often try to excuse their actions with a variety of unconvincing excuses: "It's God's will...this is a test of our faith...gurus work in mysterious ways...blah, blah, blah."

Well, it looks increasingly likely that Gurinder Singh Dhillon, his family, and close associates are going to have to come up with as much as $842 million by the end of October.

The exact amount to be gotten from these sources is a bit unsure, even though it seems clear that most (or all) of the 55 entities mentioned in the Economic Times story are connected to the RSSB guru in some fashion.

The big remaining question, after this huge amount of money is paid to RHC holding, is whether Dhillon, his family, and close associates got the money by fraudulent means, as has been alleged by Malvinder Singh. 

What we do know at this point is that the RSSB guru and his family have failed to repay money that they obtained through dubious "loans" (more like money siphoning) from the coffers of RHC Holding. So this demolishes the guru's undeserved reputation of being a Perfect Living Master, since his behavior doesn't even rise to the level of an average moral human who pays their bills on time.

Sunil Godhwani, by the way, used to be the guru's right-hand-man and managed financial affairs at the headquarters of Radha Soami Satsang Beas. Here's a description of his role from a Bloomberg story posted on the RSSB web site:

• Sunil Godhwani: The money man. Said to have been friends with the Dhillon family since childhood and to have grown up in the dera itself, Godhwani was managing the finances of the dera.

Godhwani has been charged with cheating and criminal conspiracy. Godhwai became head of Religare Enterprises at the behest of Gurinder Singh Dhillon, after which Godhwani is alleged to have funneled money into the pockets of the guru and his family.  

Comments

[Spence Tepper]

This appears very similar to the June order to repay $500m to the court, to repay Daichi.

However, this new order is for $844m to be paid through the court to RHC holding.

Are these two separate amounts?

[Vinny]

The 842 million dollars is nothingness, nothingness is Buddha's teaching, so neo rssb buddhism gets a lift with this judgement. Cronies of guru were preaching nothingness after sitting on millions of dollars. Now we have version 3.0 of nothingness = gurudom x millions of dollars + cronies = 3.0 Nothingness.

[Slave_of_GSD]

The 842 million dollars is nothingness, nothingness is Buddha's teaching, so neo rssb buddhism gets a lift with this judgement. Cronies of guru were preaching nothingness after sitting on millions of dollars. Now we have version 3.0 of nothingness = gurudom x millions of dollars + cronies = 3.0 Nothingness.

Posted by: Vinny | October 08, 2019 at 10:21 PM

Pretty cool isn't it. I hope you not jealous.

[slave_of_GSD]

Meanwhile a bunch of 8 Sikhs on the board of a small bank in India funnelled out about $1 bln into a company now bust!!! Of course the bank is up shit creek at the moment.

Brian,

Come up with something more interesting. $840mln is loose change in the Indian context.

[Jesse]

That's quite a large chunk of money.

To his credit, Gurinder didn't do a lot of the annoying flashy things that most criminal and/or immensely wealthy gurus do. I think that's at least in part due to the sects appeal to more middle and upper class devotees. All us Ex Satsangis should feel good that we never followed one of the costume clowns who get caught with numerous naked women, and talk about making cow dung powered airplanes.

You gotta wonder though if Gurinder, out of his infinite love and compassion for the poor, was tithing and giving money for satsang activities. That means we all unknowingly partook of the fruits of these alleged crimes.

[JS]

This is an interestinig development in that there is now a definate date, by which the funds must be lodged with the High Court (26th October).

What I have wondered for several months is what will happen if/when GSD is unable to repay the money? If he had the money, surely he would've repaid it by now in order to avoid this ongoing humiliation

"Let justice be done though the heavans fall"

[Jiwa]

…जाति न पूछो साधु की, पूछ लीजिये ज्ञान,
मोल करो तरवार का, पड़ा रहन दो म्यान।…

Kabir says that we must not ask a saint his caste. If we have to know anything about him that must be his knowledge. In the same way, we must bargain for the sword without giving importance to sheath. In other words, we must give importance to internal quality.

[Jesse]

"$840mln is loose change in the Indian context."

Hard to tell if you're trolling or just really stupid.

$840mil is a big deal anywhere, and a huge deal in an impoverished country like India. That's why it's on the big news media.

If you read news in India you can find stories of gurus stealing "lakes" which only adds up to a few thousand dollars American.

[RSSB is FINISHED]

This is the last chapter of RSSB
The guru hides behind others - his sons, his wife, and disciples like Godhwani

Well - like Kirpal Singh used to say "The cat is out of the bag"

if the money is not paid then his famiy members and Godwhani will go to jail.

maybe they will think it is a test of their faith.

Gurinder is dishonest and does not live up to the standards expected of a guru.
none of the previous gurus did anything on this scale. None of them were greedy for
money. Jaimal singh lived a simple life.

RSSB is not a true path, because nobody is taught humility or good principles.
They can only copy what their guru does.
if the guru makes death threats and tolerates violence by sevadars, then it's time to leave.

I don't know what RSSB is now - but I do know it is not a path to godhood.

What good is seva or service that includes assaulting members of the sangat?
if RSSB was run correctly, anyone committing a single act of violence would be immediately
fired. The RSSB guru must have his own reason that is not connected to the spiritual path.

For me this is the final straw.
I used to do seva but now I have left and will never go back.

How anyone can follow this path and think it will lead to God is hard to imagine.

clearly there are a lot of people who are going to get a wake up call when the house comes
tumbling down

[Avi]

RSSB boasts on its website (https://www.rssb.org/articles.html) about having an "open policy" in sharing news articles published in the Indian news media.
I am curious if and when the article cited in this blog-post above will be shared on their website.

[Muskan Singhal]

There is no one like my radha swami guruji❤ in this world. The biggest gem in this world he is the true son of god. no pure soul like him exist i this world. History is the full proof that the gems ( lord sita maa and ram ji and my rssb guruji )has always to suffer by the bad and dark souls living this world at present. guys if you cant see the truth then dont belive the fake news open your brain and the one who had start writting the blog any one shoyld ask him that i the past he must be scoulded by a true gem that is why he is spreading negativity . i want to all of you cabt spread positivity and not able to provide positivity and something stop spreading negativity yar . and plz stop doing nonsense do something good in your life firstall see yourself then say something for a great person . firt see what you have given to the people animals

[Mike England]

The amount of $ 842,000,000 would have in 100 Dollar Notes a weight of 8.42 t (7.64 short tons). A single stack of money with 8,420,000 new banknotes would be 842.00 m (920.82 yards) high und would have a volume of at least 8,713.77 litres (9,207.74 quarts).

The Punching Sevadar and his magnificent 7 could deliver it.
$100 million each Sevadar. Plus the oddz
Easy 😎

[pj2000]

Works out to be about $15,000,000 each if it was divided evenly. Sad affairs for all.

[Avi]

For some strange reason, the link (https://www.rssb.org/articles.html) that I included in my comment above a few minutes ago takes us to the RSSB website home page and not where it should.

If you also see the homepage when you click on the link, then please look under the "Home" tab there and then click on "Newspaper Articles".

The first line on that page talks about the "Open Policy" I mentioned in my comment.

[tina birdi]

There should be no politics in spirituality. i have been a follower for 46 year and i have never heard so much nonsense in all that time. if you don't believe in something move on . it is shocking greed jealousy haterid comes to this. you negative people are ripping people's beliefs and lifes. you have no right. Baba ji has and will guide those who want to be guided. love those who want to be loved. Puting money on this is disgusting. Millions follow baba ji and will continue. those who choose to be listen to these dishonest post about him are not worthy of him. These People are causing haterid and discrimination in our community. this has to stop.

[tina birdi]

RSSB will never be finished. those who think that don't have no faith at all. disgusting human attitude.

[Spence Tepper]

Still don't understand why the new article never references the earlier high Court order of June 10 that is almost identical.

[Sina]

For those who think:

I follow RSSB and here is what I say:
I have never been charged for any of the services I got, they never made money (even by selling books) out of me and they offer free food, shelter, acomodation, healthcare and rescue project in India & other countries. This is what RSSB is all about for his followers and associates.

In regard to this post: Master's business, wins, looses, mistakes or investment are not my interest. He doesn't run a business school for us! He , just like anyone else can play the game and deal with consequences. That doesn't make him any less than spiritual, since spiritually in RSSB is all about Love, present and meditation not religious rituals.
Master recently said that, as long as we are in this world we all face mental, emotional and social challenges with no exception. All we can do is to stay above it and carry the spiritual progress. Every one is prone to fo mistake too.

So, this is for non fans: a financial game has nothing to do with spiritual side of the work.
Do not Insult our path with Master's personal matters. His business, favourit shirt or family situation. We have no interest to get involve in that side. That is not why we follow him.

Think of a master carpenter who teaches you carpenter work. Do you interfere with his personal matters or fo you focus to learn the skill???????

[RSSB is FINISHED]

tina birdi
I am afraid you have your head in the sand
it is already finished
just look at what RSSB has become

it is a corrupt organisation.
the only people who get to the top are those who are corrupt

the real spiritual seekers have nothing to gain from staying there

do you seriously think that RSSB has anything to offer?

the sevadars are corrupt and the guru does nothing about it
because he too is corrupt.

a person focused on money and all these outer matters has no time for meditation

sevadars who think that seva is the way to heaven are deluded.
most sevadars I have seen have inflated egos.

and when a major incident of assault happens the guru turns a blind eye

the sevadars are corrupt and so is the guru. It's time to leave

[Spence Tepper]

Every time you act, you sign that action with your soul.
It doesn't make any difference whether you call the action spiritual or financial. These are just excuses.

[RSSB is FINISHED]

Sina,
You don't realise that you cannot separate the master from his spiritual mission.
Would you follow a master who was a convicted criminal?

This is the RSSB that we all loved.

https://youtu.be/M1uHYbdX-2s

[slave_of_GSD]

Hard to tell if you're trolling or just really stupid.

$840mil is a big deal anywhere, and a huge deal in an impoverished country like India. That's why it's on the big news media.

If you read news in India you can find stories of gurus stealing "lakes" which only adds up to a few thousand dollars American.

Posted by: Jesse | October 09, 2019 at 10:43 AM

Jesse,

I live in India. So what's big news and news capturing eyeballs isn't lost on me.

"impoverished country like India"

Depends on what part you wish to look at. I prefer to look at the rich and the amounts stashed away all over the world. You need to wake up to some cool realities of the rich Indians.

Am I just trolling or plain stupid. Well well even an intelligent individual like you can't tell.... So let's leave it open ended. Will grant you the honour to think whatever you want about me.

In the meanwhile in other news from India

The premier investigative agency the. ED has filed a FIR against a politician in connection with INR 25,000 crore irrigation scam and

The Delhi High Court has admitted and will hear a fresh plea seeking legal action against Indiabulls Housing Finance, its chairman Sameer Gehlaut and directors for alleged misappropriation of INR 98,000 crore of public money.

Funny thing being life goes on. The involved Indians continue to be the toast of high society, brazen it out and the average Indian has better things to worry and care about.

Time to smell some coffee huh?

[The other shoe has dropped]

Sina ~ The main skill a Sant Mat master is supposed to teach is how to live an honest, good and simple life. He teaches this by example, which is why Sant Mat is centered on the concept of a perfect living master. The master achieves a simple, honest life by way of meditation, which supplies him with all the treasure he needs to sustain his soul.

If a "master" lives his life in a greedy, dishonest fashion, he is not living by example and his inner life is likely impoverished. Thus, he is not a true master. Personal actions reflect inner life. A true master talks the talk AND walks the walk.

You cannot compartmentalize/de-emphasize the personal life of a master; it is the most important aspect of the teaching. Anyone can pretend to be a perfect soul on the dais, in books, on camera, in someone's mind/3rd eye center, etc.

Time to get woke my sista!

[Spence Tepper]

A small group of senior RSSB leaders have been found guilty by the high court of siphoning funds and ordered to repay.

The Securities and Exchange Board of India concluded this was intentional fraud.

I don't think anyone concerned with right conduct, with Harmlessness, and with love and kindness should ignore wrongdoing.

What is unfortunate is that a group of high level Satsangis, including Gurinder, have been involved. Though we don't know who exactly is responsible for what, most of the money ended up in Gurinder and his family's pockets. And all of the actions were taken by Satsangis.

To ignore wrongdoing, to dismiss it because you love the guru is understandable.

It happens all the time.

But we must return to the simple question. Why did this fraud happen?

[Spence Tepper]

Can a leader of the highest truth be the instigator and / or willing recipient of fraudulent funds stolen from others?

Year over year?

Can they turn a blind eye to the crimes of those in leadership positions at RSSB?

And when such a leader's wife and sons are deeply involved in the fraud as well, what does this say for their ability to lead us to brotherhood?

What sort of brotherhood involves stealing nearly a billion dollars from your brothers and sisters?

What frightens me is the effort by some misguided souls to claim these matters are unimportant. As if it's fine, in the name of spirituality, to steal from others. To me this looks like corruption. Would you then excuse greed itself?

Many churches hide theft and sexual abuse of children behind charity. Charity is no safeguard.

Would you then turn away from harm to innocent people?

So it is one thing when the leaders are corrupt. But it is a whole other problem when many more people make excuses for it. This is the double crime of a thief who sits in the seat of a leader.

Why defend crime?

What sort of teachings are these that excuse wrong doing from those you love, but expects right conduct from everyone else?

Why the double standard? What sort of God says it's OK to steal billions of dollars and put these monies into one's own pockets?

Is this the new God of RSSB? Money?

Yes I think anyone interested in truth, right conduct and love should ask these questions. Because to defend lies and thievery is to enable it. And that is simply unthinkable.

Yet RSSB leaders indulged in this fraud, one of the largest frauds in India 's financial history.

Do not think we have left the true teachings. Brian Ji and others here are as serious as any one about truth and right conduct, and true brotherhood.

But today the world is upside down. The atheists are the seekers of true Spirituality. And the labeled gurus and their blind followers, in the name of love, are the theives and abusers hiding in the shadows.

You go into a dark room to meditate. But the idea is to open the gate to blinding light.

That light is intolerant to lies, thievery and hiding behind shadows.

That light eliminates every shadow and does not suffer indifference.

[Solomon]

You go into a dark room to meditate. But the idea is to open the gate to blinding light.

That light is intolerant to lies, thievery and hiding behind shadows.
That light eliminates every shadow and does not suffer indifference.

Spence - excellent write up !

As someone who's on the path I am equally disturbed by the recent events
and my wish is that the Master should speak up on this. There are many who claim all of these are 'fake news' or the Master is being framed - RSSB owes all satsangis an explanation to this financial scandal.

[RSSB is FINISHED]

Solomon
the explanation is simple.
only the blind believers cannot see it
the explanation is that fraud was committed and
those people got caught and now they have to pay
what is there to explain?

you can be sure that if there was another explanation then
the guru would have already stated it.

[um]

https://www.buddhistdoor.net/news/dzongsar-khyentse-rinpoche-issues-public-statement-on-recent-criticism-of-sogyal-rinpoche

Please do read this article and forget about the Buddhist context and the individuals involved.
It is a way of handeling a situation within spiritual context.

[Um]

@The other shoe has dropped

>>You cannot compartmentalize/de-emphasize the personal life of a master; it is the most important aspect of the teaching. Anyone can pretend to be a perfect soul on the dais, in books, on camera, in someone's mind/3rd eye center, etc.<<

Is this not what everybody does … pretending being perfect, hiding imperfectness and presenting themselves as "perfect disciples" of a perfect path and a perfect teacher?

Since when is the core teaching "to copy the Master"???

And Who is the master anyway!
His uncle, time and again, would grasp his knees telling the audience that "THIS is not the master" … and pointing at the audience "You are not the disciples".

Everything is governed by the law of karma ….. nobody can escape the passing of dark clouds … it is all in his hands … he would say, again and again.

You have to believe that and if you don't it will be difficult for anybody to continue on this path these days of turmoil.

Yes, it was much easier to belief his uncle to be a master but was he???

Personally I have nothing to say in that matter.
I go where my mind allows me to go.
If I feel intellectual and emotional attracted to a person I like to be in his compagnie.
That personal and subjective appreciation is the only thing there is and is certainly not an guarantee for the other to be of high standards.

Do read that article I posted in the previous reaction.

[Jim Sutherland]

Spence writes,......”You go into a dark room to meditate. But the idea is to open the gate to blinding light.

That light is intolerant to lies, thievery and hiding behind shadows.

That light eliminates every shadow and does not suffer indifference.”

ME: Excellent, .....considering I do this twice daily. I am STILL very much a Believer in Sant Mat Philosophy, because I know the Meditation Technique Charan Singh Gifted us works, i.e., it delivers the promised Lights, Sun, Moon, and Star Gate to Sach Khand, which I believe is Samadhi.

I HAVE seen Charan’s Radiant Form, and heard his Voice, and felt his touch, as I have reported here, and in spite of all of the alternative explanations by unbelievers who have never had ANY inner experiences, even including seeing the Light or hearing the Sound of the ringing Radiance, I KNOW what I saw as clear as day, and heard, and felt, and no one will ever be successful of making me believe My mind falsely projected Charan's Radiant Form. I know other wise, because my training on how to project my INDIVIDUAL Astral Body to the Astral Realms to have Out Of Body experiences exploring Consciousness. I do it daily! I was taught how to do this by the Rosicrucians, Martinists, and Spiritists, before I ever was initiated in to Sant Mat, but the Sant Mat Initiation filled in all my missing Dots, and educated me on how to “ Die While Living” daily.
With the above said, if Charan Singh had the corrupted character that Gurinder Singh has shown us , that he has used to manage the affairs of RSSB and all of the fraud, and unethical behavior he has shown, I can’t imagine that I would still want any thing to do with RSSB if I met him in the Astral Realms as many of Gurinder’s Initiates claim to do.
The culmination of this sad example of Gurinder’s history, while using RSSB and the souls of the Seekers he has initiated while being a Wolf in Sheep’s clothing, and using RSSB as his own private Cash Cow to secure his own wealth, at the expense of RSSB is a sad shame, and no doubt, will be recorded in Sant Mat history as the Straw that broke the Camel’s back, and will scar the reputation of all lineages having any thing to do with Radhasoami Initiation.
Imagine how Charan’s Initiates feel, witnessing the current events of the sinking ship of RSSB, remembering the many baskets of dirt they carried on their heads to expand and build the Hospitals and buildings that Gurinder has squandered away, and either torn down, sold, or shuttered , not allowing those Charan Initiates who did Seva to build and maintain them, can no longer even visit or touch them, including Charan’s House or the Satsanghar built by Sawan's Initiates.
I also feel sorry for all of the Inmates who donated large sums of money or left their Wills to RSSB instead of their Families now watching it all vaporize in to Litigation rather than being used for the future use and continuation of keeping RSSB alive,
This is surely an embarrassing sad culmination of Radhasoami history for every Sant Mat Initiate, regardless of what our Lineage is. We have all been betrayed by Gurinder Singh.
Jim Sutherland

[Seema]

Hello. Firstly making any judgements on baba ji and on his teachings one should really have an idea of all those things that actually happens or take place. Simply over exaggerating the issue, passing comments on his teachings and his satsangis just make you seem stupid. It's better to leave the rest on the law and on baba ji. They will deal with it. Simply, sitting here and passing judgements is easy thing to do. So be matured and be a good human being, before calling someone fraud.

[Jasbir]

Billion dollars will be burned which are made by killing innocent animals . Drugs are first tested on animals known as drug trials. If Drugs are safe then they can sell it in market . Now Santmat is totally against this policies even Babaji was. Now Singh brothers did not wanted to listen ,even Babajis family they kept trying to built Empire from this cursed money as Babaji also participated so that he could totally destroy which was created with this cursed money. Now it's his Game he will bring all the billion dollar Empire down because no one is ready to listen to him , no one wants to follow the path the way how old rssb gurus thought . From 2001 Babaji kept telling I will end up this Rssb if you guys don't follow it purely and please do your meditation or I will windup this organisation... Guys just wait for few more years and see all the Dramas let the Empire fall . The pure empire of pure preaching will come back now it's just a wait and watch game... Babaji is very clear just listen to his satsang carefully you will know what's happening ... also this blog is good but people who have internal experience on this path they will not get confused , yes blind followers can be easily thrown out from santmat . ...

[Solomon]

Jim Sutherland writes
I HAVE seen Charan’s Radiant Form, and heard his Voice, and felt his touch, as I have reported here....

Please Jim, do us all a favor - ask Maharaji why all this is happening with his appointed successor... thanks!

[Guru]

Shivinder and Godhwanni got arrested. More trouble for RSSB followers.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/ranbaxy-ex-promoter-shivinder-singh-ex-cmd-sunil-godhwani-arrested-in-fraud-case-by-delhi-police/articleshow/71522845.cms

[modi_bhakt]

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/ranbaxy-ex-promoter-shivinder-singh-ex-cmd-sunil-godhwani-arrested-in-fraud-case-by-delhi-police/articleshow/71522845.cms

Have fun GSD baiters!!!

[SP]

Jim Sutherland,

GSD, a wolf in sheep's clothing, a fraud, the black spot on Sant Mat, blah blah blah.....claims basis your inner enlightenment through your daily dying???

Btw GSD didn't bribe his way to Gurudom. He was your Charan's choice. Pretty cool a choice by your all knowing, perfect guru.

Clearly you are another fake ranting away basis GSD's external actions/perceptions and are totally clueless of the grand design within which things are unfolding. Maybe your master doesn't regard you good enough to let you into the grand design. Today go ask that radiant form. Also go ask him if your actions and posts are appropriate and make him proud Mr Jim Sutherland.

Actually it's good. All this criticism and bad mouthing. This Ninda that you indulge in - didn't your perfect master Charan tell his disciples the ill effects of Ninda and the beneficial impact on GSD of all this indulgence.

But you are welcome to your view and all in here keep indulging in the bad mouthing.

But do not forget criticizing your master's choice is criticizing your master!!!

[um]

>>I also feel sorry for all of the Inmates who donated large sums of money or left their Wills to RSSB instead of their Families now watching it all vaporize in to Litigation rather than being used for the future use and continuation of keeping RSSB alive,
This is surely an embarrassing sad culmination of Radhasoami history for every Sant Mat Initiate, regardless of what our Lineage is. We have all been betrayed by Gurinder Singh. <<
Jim Sutherland

If you have acces to the radiant form, which you believe to be not an projection, why don't you ask him whether it is true what you write.

As far as I understand, GSD and his family got entangled in a private financial affair that has and will be solved before court. There is no indication that RSSB funds were part of the affair.

The whole matter comes down to the question whether an perfect and enlightened master is by definition an perfect human being.

As far as my understanding of the teachings go masters are human beings and as such imperfect and there is no way by which to recognize a perfect master from his human behaviour.

What remains is, is that everybody is free to respect, love and admire whoever and whatever he wants and follow the dictates of his own mind, heart etc.

The road one walks starts always with a person stepping onto that road. If that road brings us in places we don't like. Don't blame the road.

Honor your parents it says in the bible, ...all parents. ….. It doesn't say those that were kind and loving towards you and behaved properly and turn your back upon they others.
Why …. because the understanding of that advise sets one free as a person and makes him responsible at the same time for his own actions and decisions, without out=sourcing that responsebility on the parents.

[Solomon]

Ranbaxy ex-promoter Shivinder Singh, Sunil Godhwani arrested in fraud case by Delhi Police
The estranged brothers reportedly owe around Rs 3,500 crore to Daiichi Sankyo.
Updated: Oct 10, 2019, 07.08 PM IS

https://m.economictimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/ranbaxy-ex-promoter-shivinder-singh-ex-cmd-sunil-godhwani-arrested-in-fraud-case-by-delhi-police/amp_articleshow/71522845.cms

[MeditatiM]

Still i find grand paradox in admitting the turbaned Guru as some conspirator, may be, in this mega scam as also His radiance in astral regions and beyond - perhaps the same He leading the sane souls on one hand and bane on the other ( or not).

Pray that He must release His take and some plain talk on same. And whether He henceforth seek anything from His beloved disciples many of who are mad after Him to bail Him and others out.

He knows that these many may not have spiritually evolved sufficiently to have perfect inner visions and are just moving blindfolded by absolute trust and love on the path in a herd of like minded seekers but is He testing their Trust by keeping silent or waiting for that divine opportune turning point or else one of His myriad ways to do the undoable by a Perfect Saint.

Anyways this is also truth beyond doubt that He is the present progeny from the RSSB lineage of Perfect Saints and most believe the path as before and may be ever despite the bad story running now linking the Guru - in - Chief or Guru - in,,,- Perfection to it.

[Meditator]

The earlier post may pl be read as from Meditator than MeditatM. a typing slip.

[Nick NY]

Shivinder Singh has been arrested. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ranbaxy-ex-promoter-shivinder-singh-arrested-in-fraud-case-by-delhi-police-2114785

Sunil Godhwani got arrested as well.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/shivinder-singh-sunil-godhwani-in-custody-of-eow-delhi/videoshow/71522362.cms

[Spence Tepper]

Shivinder, the one who was to become the next RSSB Master, sits in jail tonight.... And Sunhil, who once ran the RSSB organization, is there in jail as well.

[Shakuni]

@Sina

"He doesn't run a business school for us"

May be its a good thing he didn't.🤣

But for someone that tells his followers, that we should be satisfied with what we have rather than wanting more... He doesn't exactly lead by example does he...

[slave_of_GSD]

Can a leader of the highest truth be the instigator and / or willing recipient of fraudulent funds stolen from others?

Can they turn a blind eye to the crimes of those in leadership positions at RSSB?

And when such a leader's wife and sons are deeply involved in the fraud as well, what does this say for their ability to lead us to brotherhood?

What sort of brotherhood involves stealing nearly a billion dollars from your brothers and sisters?

What frightens me is the effort by some misguided souls to claim these matters are unimportant. As if it's fine, in the name of spirituality, to steal from others. To me this looks like corruption. Would you then excuse greed itself?

Would you then turn away from harm to innocent people?

Why defend crime?

What sort of teachings are these that excuse wrong doing from those you love, but expects right conduct from everyone else?

Why the double standard? What sort of God says it's OK to steal billions of dollars and put these monies into one's own pockets?

Is this the new God of RSSB? Money?

Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 09, 2019 at 09:19 PM

Spence,

Go ask these questions to Charan - your Guru.

The same one who you claim carries you through what was it - Mahasunn to your true home.

You will ask won't you Spency. Don't forget to post his responses to you.

Unless of course you are a fake and have no access to Charan.

Unfortunately for you it's obvious what category you belong to.

[Arjuna]

@ Sina

Looooooooooooool. He would have a lot if bankrupt students if he ran a business school.

Feel free to be part of a cult that is a fraud. You lose no one else.

[Shakuni]

@Spencer Tepper

Shivinder, the one who was to become the next RSSB Master, sits in jail tonight.... And Sunhil, who once ran the RSSB organization, is there in jail as well.

Maybe they can build a prison in Dera Beas for Golden Boy Shivvy and the Fall Guy Godhwani. That way the grace will still be there bestowed on them.

How hard can it be? They already have a bank there. They used to have a hospital. Im sure they even have a post office. A prison shouldn't be too difficult to build and approved by government. 🤣

[slave_of_GSD]

Shivinder, the one who was to become the next RSSB Master, sits in jail tonight.... And Sunhil, who once ran the RSSB organization, is there in jail as well.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 10, 2019 at 09:10 AM

Stop pretending to be a know it all - you fake. You know a shit about the functioning of RSSB.

But it's obvious why such baseless comments get published in here!!!

Sunil Godhwani had ZERO access to RSSB funds, forget he running the organisation.

And to let you into another secret - IT IS ME WHO IS TO BE THE NEXT GURU. THIS IS THE WAY ITS MEANT TO BE. Prove me wrong if you can!!!

[LOST]

I am hurt...to be honest I feel shattered.....I want to wake up from a bad dream. I feel that something, or a statement should be made to the sangat. This scale is just to large for it not to be explained to the sangat.

I keep asking myself what if I had done this...would I be kicked out of seva? Would my seva badge be taken away? Seva can be taken away for much lesser than this. Please dont get me wrong I am not advocating nor saying that GSD's seva be gone. He has taught us how to love, be humble, and to be god fearing. But this is a direct shadow on our beliefs and sangat. Many times we hear that if we do something wrong it is a direct impact on our father.....but now what...WHERE DO WE GO????

This whole time I had hoped to hear that he was framed. But the silence is killing me.

[Georgy Porgy]

Yep the guru is one of the good guys.
Along with the magnificent 7 who handed that trouble-maker Osho his marching orders.
This is chump-change for the big guy.
What a bizarre ruling. Individuals ordered to pay money for a bad buy.

Have no fear, the good guys will prevail.

[Brian Hines]

Georgy Porgy, so do you really believe that the High Court of Delhi gave the RSSB guru and his family 30 days to pay up to $842 million to Religare because Dhillon and his family are the "good guys"?

Is this how you think courts work? They choose innocent people to pay the bills of people accused of wrongdoing.

If you believe this stuff, you really need to question your grip on reality.

[Arjuna]

Brian

Couldn't agree more. If all these supporters are so concerned - why don't they remortgage their houses and get huge loans to bail these tossers out.

They are following criminals and possibly more seriously dangerous providers of generic drugs.

They disgust me with their arguments on here. Absolute asswipes.

Ignore Georgy Fat Porgy - he is a child.

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Slave of GSD
you wrote
"Sunil Godhwani had ZERO access to RSSB funds, forget he running the organisation."

I'm sorry but this statement is false. Sunhil was brought in by Gurinder specifically to help manage Dera funds after Charan passed away. You can read about it in the article already posted on the RSSB website.

"Sunny, as Sunil Godhwani is known among friends, was brought in to manage the finances of the dera during the churn that took place after the passing of Charan Singh in the early years of the new master Dhillon."

https://www.rssb.org/news26.html

[slave_of_GSD]

Maybe they can build a prison in Dera Beas for Golden Boy Shivvy and the Fall Guy Godhwani. That way the grace will still be there bestowed on them.

How hard can it be? They already have a bank there. They used to have a hospital. Im sure they even have a post office. A prison shouldn't be too difficult to build and approved by government. 🤣

Posted by: Shakuni | October 10, 2019 at 09:57 AM

There is an airstrip, to be used for the latest Rafale inducted into the IAF, fall out bunkers, ammunition stockpile by army , banks (not a bank), a mall, spa, launderette, school, sports complex, ace accomodation, swanky speciality hospital(under construction), library. Jail.... Hmm not required. We have a bunch of pet Crocs in the river. Criminals and trouble makers are their meal.

@Shakuni, you still stuck in the Mahabharata era. Gosh how boring are you.

[Um]

@Spence, that the clergy of the religious multinational, privately is involved in this financial drama is one thing.

It would be another thing if RSSB funds are used.

Unless that is proved to be the case, it should not be suggested, nor that these people have managed the same funds in correct.

[Slave_of_GSD]

Brian Hines,

And you think you have a handle on how courts function in India.

I am gonna die laughing

[Di]

Lost, I feel your pain.
I was a bit relieved when I heard that BaBaji in Petaluma this past July answered a question in front of thousands in audience that he didn't owe nor took money from anyone. Was that a lie? If so, how can anyone trust the person? Do we place lots of faith in counsel/advise from a lawyer, CPA, doctor who lies? We may turn to them, when we are desperate and need them to lie on our behalf to the court, the tax collector, etc. But it is only to settle our despair.
The court must have reviewed compelling evidence before placing the mandate to pay. I suppose BBji can submit an affidavit of contention before the due date. But is very painful to witness.
I agree with all of you that, at the least, dera owes sangat/sevadars a clear and honest explanation as to the extent of BBji's and his family's involvement in this mess and the reasons behind it.
IMO BBji and his administration have made some decisions that are inconsistent with the santmat way. I hope they can step back, reflect, and redirect their focus and become the living examples of true humanism and spirituality. Otherwise, they have failed their respective Master.
Reminds me of a quote I have heard, but can't recall the author.
"YOUR ACTIONS ARE SHOUTING SO LOUDLY IN MY EARS, THAT I CAN NOT HEAR A WORD YOU ARE SAYING!"

[Arjuna]

Slave of GSD.

You sound like an Ass. Even your name is a contradiction . Your master her is here to free people he says. I'm sure he would delight in you writing this shite and your name is offensive to GSD.

What an ASS.

[Anon]

What this story is completely missing is that the fact that the 55 entities have been asked to either pay what Malvinder claimed they owe him (which is in the affidavit he filed with the courts july 30) or file a dispute that will be recorded. I read the entire Delhi high court order of September 27 instead of just believing what Brian has written or the media is reporting. Once again I have said this before and will say it again—-They have not determined the Guru to be liable for anything. This is all the claim of a few criminally minded people. They are trying to deflect blame. The truth will eventually reveal itself.

[RSSB is FINISHED]

Anon you are stupid because brian did not implicate the guru
he said they often start with the lower people.

Arjuna I agree that that slave of GSD guy is an idiot

from the comments he knows nothing.

RSSB has gone so far from its simple roots that it cannot be taken
seriously anymore.

land grabbing,
see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcI415wr470
violence and assault
financial fraud
closing hospitals
misusing RSSB funds
selling the gaddi to someone who has now been arrested

how is this a spiritual organisation ?

does anyone think that the RSSB guru has ever meditated?

and he used to say
How do you know I am not a fraud?
it appears he was telling everyone the truth

[Slave_of_GSD]

Spence,

I was trying hard to credit you as having a wee bit intelligence. Little did I expect you are gonna take recourse to a newspaper report and flaunt it as official RSSB position just because RSSB decides to have it verbatim on it's website.

Poor you, you don't even know almost all named either didn't exist or at best were fringe players in the early 90's.

If you were worth it, I would have shared the name(s) of individual(s) who headed or were part of the Finance department at Dera - the unit that handles all cash at RSSB.

I could also share hand phone numbers of a few listed in the article who would willingly corroborate what I just said.

But the individuals in here - just not worth it.

So keep pleasing your selves with your rants.

Oops I almost forgot the Investment Committee - must have been a bunch of non functioning idiots since a newspaper article published 30 years later says that Sunil Goswami was the man that mattered.

Cheers,

[um]

@Rssb is finished

As far as i know Jaimal Singh never asked anybody to come and see him, nor did their succesors.

These religious organisations are created by those who want to follow a guru, kept alive and when they are no longer satisfied will go to somebody else.

Investigate the seekers, followers, disciples, their hearts, their minds, their motives … then … and only then you will understand.

[Di]

Anon, there are only a handful of people who know the truth, The board members of Fortis/Relagare, Singh bros, Sunil G, and Babaji/Dhillon family members in regards to this saga. I agree we may not know the whole truth. Until someone speaks up, we can deduce based on our logic.
It seems only Malvinder spoke up. A garnishee order was placed by the court back in June. There was a contractor, who refuted the order and was dropped around mid to late August. (I am certain the link to that news article is on this site.)
BBji, RSSB, or others could have filed an affidavit of contention back then. Why wasn't it done? Only some of the above mentioned people know the truth. Hence, many commentators are urging anyone who knows the facts to share them.
Anyway, if no one will speak up, we will learn more on 26th of October.

[Jesse]

Slave of GSD, per capita income is easy to find online. By country, by city, by race. Use which one you want. India is an extremely poor country and you personally are mentally impoverished more than financially.

[Di]

Um, interesting comment.
Dera was the Great Master's vision while he was a disciple. Hazoor as a disciple maintained it with reasonable growth. And Babaji has expanded it exponentially. Aren't we all, including the gurus, wanting to seek and serve a guru and thus create these organizations, keep them alive and when not satisfied by them, we go to SOMETHING different, such as, MONEY?
As you know, money happens to be the most convenient and popular god of humanity that can fulfill our common wants. In fact, isn't money the most commonly prayed for thing in these organizations?

[V.Narasimha murthy]

Dear sir,,,,,,like you people can't degrade the truth.....if you love church..well and good,,love it....but this sort of propaganda is not necessary to ,promot your view...........nothing will happen to Gurinder Singh Dhillon ji....pl,wait and see

[Jim Sutherland]

Solomon echoes others question to me,..... “ Please Jim, do us all a favor - ask Maharaji why all this is happening with his appointed successor... thanks!”

ME: I didn't say I have access to Charan Singh. His Astral Form accessed my Astral Form, only ONCE, in the almost 29 years since he initiated me. He has many Slackers who have never even seen any light nor heard any Sound, much less accessed Sach Khand yet, so considering he initiated 1,250,000 during his 40 years as RSSB Master, he still visits the Astral Reams where a few of his Slackers, ( like me) are able to access, and when they are in physical danger, he some times alerts them them, like Fakir Chand’s Astral form alerted his Brother Soldiers, in spite of Chand being unaware of his Projection.

I disagree that my bad mouthing Gurinder, his Appointee, that I bad mouth Charan. I have no explanation just why Gurinder Singh is what he appears to be, but I DO know, that nothing he does mimics any thing that Charan Singh did. Professor Lane Identified a strange personality in Gurinder as early as 1992 when he first met him. ( and kept writing about it for next 25 years, off & on, ) which every one, including me, wrote Lane off as a Heretic. But the way Gurinder has been acting, either he died in Mediation, and one of Kal’s disincarnate spirits walked in and took over Gurinder’s body, or his Brain was Physically damaged and negatively effected during his Chemo and Radiation treatment for his Throat Cancer. In addition to all of the mounting information posted her, by Brian, Spence, and all of the news Media, if Gurinder’s True Blue Devotees still think that any Saint, or Man of God , would embarrass one of his Brother Charan Initiates in front of a mixed male and female audience , 250 or more, both married and single, asking a Nutrition Doctor in front of 250 or more attending Foreign visitors, when I was there, at his Q & A meeting, and joked about the poor Guys wife’s Butt, and asking him if he knew what a 69 is,...then you loosers will remain in The wheel of 84. The very least Gurinder should do, is apologize for his Porno comments to Charan’s Initiates who were at that meeting, for his Sexual Sewer remarks where he was supposed to be offering spiritual Advice, not Porno advice.
Jim Sutherland

[Anon]

Di I sent you an email to respond to your question. Check your mail.

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Di
You wrote
"The court must have reviewed compelling evidence before placing the mandate to pay. I suppose BBji can submit an affidavit of contention before the due date. But is very painful to witness."

The court has access to several criminal investigations and audits demonstrating culpability well beyond Malvinder and Shivinder and Sunhil.

All the money Baba Ji and associates have been ordered to pay the court directly is money that is no longer required of Shivinder, Malvinder and Sunhil. The court has parcelled out the responsibility.

That Malvinder, Shivinder and Sunhil have now been, or are in the process of being arrested, because they did not pay what they owed, was the predictable result, as the court had ordered them on three prior occasions to pay their debts.

The court simply lays the pavement for the rest of the 55 to be arrested for non - payment also. And with each arrest the court sets precident for subsequent arrests. They are laying they pavement that will carry them further. Now the others have received their second order and with warnings.

What follows arrest, in the absence of payment, is criminal trial. What follows criminal trial may be imprisonment. The very absence of a defense to date by the others weakens any case they may attempt to make in future.

The court is using a lot of information and taking measured steps.

The order for Gurinder et al to make payment is now the second such order directly naming him, holding him accountable for hundreds of millions, and with a deadline, just as the high court ordered malvinder, Shivinder and Sunhil last year.

[Jim Sutherland]

Another Red Flag to identify Gurinder’s unshameful willingness to embarrass , not only Satsangi's by using sexual innuendo remarks, but members of his own Dera Sevadores, as he did to Sheen, who was the Foreign Administrator at the Dera for many years. She was close enough to Gurinder to be invited in to his Home with family members. In her Book, she describes how Gurinder sexually embarrassed her in front of his wife and family by telling Sheena she should not be counseling a young female ready to get married, on how to act, when she, Sheena , had slept with many men. Many of us know Sheen’s real Name, and have read two other Books she wrote which is published and sold at the Dera. Again, is this any way for ANY Man of God to act, let alone a Living Master to ANY of his loyal disciples? Sheena confessed in her book that she had a few Affairs, before being initiated, but to those who know her, she sure appears like a Saintly Lady who loves God.
Jim Sutherland

[Um]

@ Di,
The problem is not money as such but the way how to handle it; something that has to be learned. It is dangerous stuff.

The financial drama that is discussed here is not and "stand alone incident". It might seem so if one only focuses on it but if one looks around the changes that occurred in this organisation is to be seen at other places as well.

This moment reminds me of an remark his uncle made in a letter to m … and than we are pushed and jostled into a situation where we cannot but act in a particular way.

In the future we might come to understand that all actors in this drama were "jostled and pushed" into this drama.

You can hold the Gates of this word responsible for what happened in globalizing data but did they ever had an idea what they were creating at the outset?!

[Vijay]

Jim Sutherland I am also initiated my Hazur Maharaj Charan Singh Ji and have been attending the present master’s programs in India and abroad for almost 30 years once a year atleast with a maximum of 3 times a year. This totals about 30-90 satsangs and Q and A sessions and I have NOT ONCE heard anything offensive or out of line. I only see/hear and feel the love currents of Hazur flowing from BBJ. Maybe access a little more why you are so bent of bad mouthing him and look at yourself for a change.
Please don’t be offended with my comment.

[Jim Sutherland]

@Vijay,....if you are a Man of God, would you have been offended if Gurinder had asked you why you were thinking of your wife’s Butt, or do you know what a 69 is, in one of the Q & A sessions you attended?
In case you are calling me a liar, and don’t believe he said those remarks, there were others also who were embarrassed when they heard him say the remarks, as another Satsangi stated here, on CoC who said he was also there, and heard it.
I am not bent out of shape for calling a Spade a Spade, and recognizing where Gurinder’s mind was in that meeting. Hint: It was NOT in Sach Khand. It was in the gutter.
What would you have done if he had said those remarks if your wife was with you in that meeting? Or your Daughter?
I have heard all the Rebuttals from people like you, like Gurinder was reading the Guy’s potty mind, while he was asking questions about Nutrition.
Osho was #1, in rebuttals against me, saying Gurinder was even reading my mind while I was queued to be next in line to ask my Question. But we haven’t seen Gurinder step out to comment on Osho’s punch in the face, or go to Jail him self in ransom for those Jailed today. Unlike Master Jesus who chose Crucifixion for the sins of the many.

[Avi]

Breaking News
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ranbaxy-ex-promoter-shivinder-singh-arrested-in-fraud-case-by-delhi-police-2114785

[a wise owl]

Billion dollars will be burned which are made by killing innocent animals . Drugs are first tested on animals known as drug trials. If Drugs are safe then they can sell it in market . Now Santmat is totally against this policies even Babaji was. Now Singh brothers did not wanted to listen ,even Babajis family they kept trying to built Empire from this cursed money as Babaji also participated so that he could totally destroy which was created with this cursed money. Now it's his Game he will bring all the billion dollar Empire down because no one is ready to listen to him , no one wants to follow the path the way how old rssb gurus thought . From 2001 Babaji kept telling I will end up this Rssb if you guys don't follow it purely and please do your meditation or I will windup this organisation... Guys just wait for few more years and see all the Dramas let the Empire fall . The pure empire of pure preaching will come back now it's just a wait and watch game... Babaji is very clear just listen to his satsang carefully you will know what's happening ... also this blog is good but people who have internal experience on this path they will not get confused , yes blind followers can be easily thrown out from santmat . ...

Posted by: Jasbir | October 10, 2019 at 05:11 AM

Jasbir,

Interesting post. Not the bit about the ill gotten wealth by the Singh family through Ranbaxy (which is a fact) but about bringing down RSSB. I recollect reading something similar said by one other blogger in the past and GSD is quite capable of doing this. In fact a few years ago he had publicly stated he could be the first guru to retire from the gaddi.

Anyways things are in motion and will unfold exactly in the way desired by Him.

The wise choose to keep quiet and watch. The rest just rave and rant.

[Anon]

Spence you need to get your information right before you claim to know about something

You wrote
“The court has access to several criminal investigations and audits demonstrating culpability well beyond Malvinder and Shivinder and Sunhil.”

Read the sept 27 court order it clearly says that the garneshees have been named by Malvinder from his report submitted to the court In July 2019. Which means that the original may 30 court order naming these 55 garneshees were just mentioned in court and no paperwork was filed till July. Now the court is giving the garneshees 30 days to pay or dispute. No guilt of anything owed has been confirmed by the court.

You further claim
“All the money Baba Ji and associates have been ordered to pay the court directly is money that is no longer required of Shivinder, Malvinder and Sunhil. The court has parcelled out the responsibility.”
ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE
The sept 27 court order asks both brothers to file a 8 page report detailing lots of their financial information and submit to the court. This report is also included in the order which means they are still fully responsible for what they owe. Responsibility has NOT been transferred.

Further you claim
“That Malvinder, Shivinder and Sunhil have now been, or are in the process of being arrested, because they did not pay what they owed, was the predictable result, as the court had ordered them on three prior occasions to pay their debts.”

Spence wrong again they are being arrested because they are criminally charged in wrongdoings against religare not because they did not pay Daichi. There are 2 completely different cases which you are confused about.

Also you claim
“The court simply lays the pavement for the rest of the 55 to be arrested for non - payment also. ”

Not true as the brothers are arrested for criminal actions in the relegare case not for non-payment for Daichi. The 55 entities are garneshees of individuals and companies. So the companies will be arrested?

Sorry Spence you make no sense. 😳

[Jen]

"The wise choose to keep quiet and watch. The rest just rave and rant."
Posted by: a wise owl |October 10, 2019 at 07:26 PM

"Done or doing anything so that you end up being in that state? Or just simply looking forward to it, but doing nothing?
There are no free lunches ever!"
Posted by: a wise owl | October 08, 2019 at 11:26 AM

Question: Seeing as you think you are wise, what are YOU doing about anything besides attacking others? You don't seem to be keeping quiet and watching.

[Vijay]

Jim I don’t claim to be a man of God and I’m not implying that you are lying. my point is I don’t know what context any of this was said I was not there what I do know is that he has not said anything out of line and I have been to many many meetings. And have only seen my beautiful Hazur in him.

[slave_of_GSD]

Jim I don’t claim to be a man of God and I’m not implying that you are lying. my point is I don’t know what context any of this was said I was not there what I do know is that he has not said anything out of line and I have been to many many meetings. And have only seen my beautiful Hazur in him.

Posted by: Vijay | October 10, 2019 at 09:27 PM

Vijay,

None and absolutely none in here deserve your justifications.

Don't bother. The narrative in here is only to malign and attack RSSB and GSD by ex-ers relying on reports from Indian media. As an Indian you would know what's said about the Indian media anyways.

Your score max 90 would probably translate to last 4 years in my case and it's been like over 50 years in my case. Never heard anything out of line except sometimes his irritating indulgence of kids some who even shamelessly say you are sooooo cute just like Mickey Mouse.

I agree with a wise owl - The wise choose to keep quiet and watch. On paper only.

Hunting furiously any comment particularly offensive and even otherwise by this blogger on the unfolding financial saga. @Jen can you join me in the hunt please.

Somebody accusing me of being caustic, I can understand. But to the blogger who goes under 'a wise owl.' Jeez signs of a twisted brain?

But @Jen, since I don't recollect any prior interactions with you, would give you the benefit of doubt. Why not just answer the pretty harmless and basic questions the fella asked you. Maybe he really wants to know about your preparations(if any) as he seems wise enough to realise there are no free lunches ever.

Cheers,

[Georgy Porgy]

Anon is good - just sticks to the facts.

Logical, methodical, destroys all hysterical emotional sparrow entanglement conspirationalists.

Not only a good clear mind, but probably one of the good guys, along with GSD and the magnificent 7.

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Anon.
You mention several times having read the September 27 court order.
Please post a link. I'd like to read it also.
Thanks

Spence

[Meditator]

Conforming to . words . scripted in Bible, Guru Granth Sahib obtained through. inner empirical. research by Perfection-in-operation then the. perfect Saints are God alike and their each word or utterance even if objectionable or looks like a slip of tongue or mind has a divine meaning or implication. Their each word is a command or Hukam.

Hence whatsoever He speaks or utters 24 X 7 is divine. Even the fin trap He laid out for Himself and His coterie may have divine implication which can not be fathomable now but in the timeline to follow next. It must be in the interest and betterment of satsangis incldg ex-ers for He has disowned none out of the marked souls for Him.

[Spence Tepper]

Malvinder was arrested last night....

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/malvinder-singh-arrested-in-ludhiana-will-be-brought-to-delhi-11570733034227.html

The loyal Satsangi who siphoned thousands of crore to Gurinder, his family and other RSSB senior associates is now in jail.

[Anon]

Spence is you want the order you can easily get it from the Delhi high court website like I did since I wanted to read for myself the details of what it said.

[Di]

Wise Owl I agree with general ideas of your comment. Although, in some societies, witnessing a crime and remaining quiet is a crime in itself. Further, are certain individuals in the western leadership who refuse to acknowledge the the facts and speak up against their leader wise, dumb, or just seeking temporary safety to hold their positions?

Ben Franklin says it best:
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
And,
“If all printers were determined not to print anything till they were sure it would offend nobody, there would be very little printed.”

[modi_bhakt]

Interesting post. Not the bit about the ill gotten wealth by the Singh family through Ranbaxy (which is a fact) but about bringing down RSSB. I recollect reading something similar said by one other blogger in the past and GSD is quite capable of doing this. In fact a few years ago he had publicly stated he could be the first guru to retire from the gaddi.

Anyways things are in motion and will unfold exactly in the way desired by Him.

The wise choose to keep quiet and watch. The rest just rave and rant.

Posted by: a wise owl | October 10, 2019 at 07:26 PM

Slave of GSD, Vijay, 777, Anon, Georgy Porgy, a wise owl, SP(?), Meditator(?) and all other followers of the path

You all are doing great. Keep provoking/fueling the flow of Ninda from the ex-ers.

I presume you all know the benefits that accrue to GSD when the many in here do his ninda.

Let this be your small help / contribution.

Posted by: Modi_bhakt | October 11, 2019 at 01:31 AM

[Anon]

Georgy it’s really hard to read wrong information presented as facts. I always feel the need to correct it. I have a background in law so it’s easy for me to decipher through these orders and judgements.
Who are the magnificent 7? I can never be put in the same level as my master. But thank you for your comments.

[Anon]

I have always said that the Master will NOT REACT to the useless bark of others even though it is not accurate and it is against him. This is what he has always taught his sangat.
Now that the court has ordered a direct response from him which was asked of 2 days ago, he has responded to the court.

https://m.economictimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/pharmaceuticals/daiichi-ranbaxy-case-radha-soami-chief-claims-in-hc-dont-owe-money-to-singh-brothers/articleshow/71541545.cms

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Anon
You wrote
"Read the sept 27 court order it clearly says that the garneshees have been named by Malvinder from his report submitted to the court In July 2019.."

Well I found the order, but it wasn't available to the public on the high court of Delhi website, as you had stated.

However anyone can read it here.

https://barandbench.com/daiichi-sankyo-singh-delhi-hc-religare-gurinder-singh-dhillon-pay-up/

You claim

"Read the sept 27 court order it clearly says that the garneshees have been named by Malvinder from his report submitted to the court In July 2019."

This is false.

The court order states that the garneshee listing is from the independent Religare Holding Company audit, not Malvinder. Their separate and independent audit indicated that unsecured loans had been made which damaged RHC, and these loans were unpaid.

" The parties mentioned in serial No. 1 to 55 ... are directed to deposit the amount due to respondent No.19 (RHC Holding) with the Registrar General of this Court within 30 days.."

The RHC audit and their complaint of criminal activity is actually in response for their portion of the payment of the Daiichi-Sankyo settlement.

The garneshee order is for the Daiichi Sankyo vs Malvinder et al case. Et Al, includes RHC as defendent 19.

RHCs independent audit showed siphoning of funds by Malvinder et al to Gurinder et al.

The arrests are linked to RHCs audit.

In that audit RHC concluded that the loan recipients participated in the fraud.

So, Gurinder et al are next up...

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[Michael]

Dear Anon
It is nice to see you back here fighting the fight.
I believe your background in law makes it easy for you to differentiate between implication and statement of fact. Your comments convince me that The Baba owes nobody nothing or anybody anything. So keep up the good work.
Also the magnificent seven is a demerit towards a regular poster who alleges he was assaulted at Haynes Park National Satsang by seven or so security sevadars. There are several poems and comments on the Osho punched at Haynes post.

[Anon]

Spence you claim
“"The court order states that the garneshee listing is from the independent Religare Holding Company audit, not Malvinder. Their separate and independent audit indicated that unsecured loans had been made which damaged RHC, and these loans were unpaid.”

And then you quoted some article not the court order.

“The parties mentioned in serial No. 1 to 55 ... are directed to deposit the amount due to respondent No.19 (RHC Holding) with the Registrar General of this Court within 30 days.."

Ok let’s go with that why don’t you chdck who RHC holding is? I’ll help you click here and tell me who’s face shows up as promoters?
Www. Rhcholding.com

Yup Malvinder!!!

Spence I am done discussing this with you. You don’t know what you are taking about and it’s sad that you put so much false information on this blog claiming it’s facts when it’s NOT. Everything is jumbled up and mixed up. Fraud by the brothers are passed on to the master and you go so far as to forcast who is next. The sad thing is you are misleading and confusing many people who actually may believe your research as true. Please stop.

[Anon]

http://rhcholding.com/

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Anon
Yes, I transposed Religare Finvest with Religare Holding.

But I've made a point to post links so people can see it all for themselves and draw their own conclusions. We don't have to agree. But everyone can read the facts and make up their own mind. And that's good, Anon.

That isn't confusing anyone. What you are doing is giving your opinion with only the specific facts you like, and ignoring those you don't. That's misleading. But it's a very normal human thing to do. I don't fault you for it.

A mediocre attorney only addresses their own set of facts. A better attorney addresses all the facts and places truth above their own agenda.

So many articles and independent audits have demonstrated that Grinder et al received hundreds of millions of dollars in loans that have not been repaid over several years. This was not merely Malvinder's claim, as you continued to state in your refusal to address the various independent investigations.

The money trail to Gurinder et al has been established by others even before Malvinder claimed as much, and provided good documentation to support his claim.

The information is already available in public documents, as well as the audits conducted by the serious crimes division of the Delhi Police as well as the Securities and Exchange Board of India... Listing corporations and individuals...

https://m.businesstoday.in/story/pay-up-singh-brothers-dues-in-30-days-delhi-hc-tells-rssb-chief-dhillon-wife-ex-religare-chief-godhwani/1/383617.html

The earlier June 10 order and business today's own audit

https://m.businesstoday.in/lite/story/delhi-hc-orders-recovery-from-rssb-chief-gurinder-dhillon-wife-and-sons-to-pay-singh-brothers-due-to-daiichi/1/354797.html

Livemint audit and independent government sources...

https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/fortis-fraud-may-exceed-rs-2-000-crore-says-sfio-1550522937932.html

You may also read that Gurinder's holdings have already been impounded on the RSSB website article here

https://www.rssb.org/news26.html

Additional unpaid loans were procured for Gurinder fraudulently from Fortis healthcare, crippling that company.

The SEBI concluded this was fraud.

https://www.sebi.gov.in/enforcement/orders/oct-2018/order-in-the-matter-of-fortis-healthcare-limited_40755.html

And this is why the Singh brothers and these shell companies, including RHC holdings, together have been ordered under penalty to repay the loans.

They were given ninety days to do so and that period has passed.

Now the Crimes division is building a much larger case. One of the outcomes has been the arrests of Malvinder and Shivinder, but these are initial. The high court has already transferred responsibility for payment to the loan recipients, and has thereby begun the steps necessary to recover those funds. Delinquency to the high court in India can become the basis of criminal prosecution for any of the loan recipients.

And this is where things stand today.

So who received these monies as 'loans' gained through deceit and fraud, who also never repaid ?

Gurinder's family and associated RSSB leaders.

https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/fortis-fraud-may-exceed-rs-2-000-crore-says-sfio-1550522937932.html

Now, let's do a little addition, shall we?

From the above...
207 crore to Dhillon family (sons Gurkirat and Gurpreet)
287 crore to both Godhwani and the Dhillon family (Godhwani, Dhillon's chosen leader to help the Singhs, and his own family),
223 crore to the Dhillon family
152 crore to the Dhillon family
Total.... Hold on let me get out my HP 12C calculator.....

869 crore... Before interest...

Now the high court has ordered Gurinder to pay his debts twice, and he is already delinquent on the first deadline. But he had been delinquent in payment for years, and others had to engage in fraud to cover his delinquencies. I believe he is only now coming forth because arrests were made. But it's too late and cowardly to plead ignorance after all this. He's a grown man and will be held accountable for his silence.

And he has not served his own disciples, Malvinder and Shivinder, very well, who served him lavishly, to their own tragic demise.

If Christ accepted the sins of the world and happily submitted to torture and death, how strikingly different this teacher is, who will not accept responsibility for his wayward disciples who, mistakenly, gave him and his family so much.

It's not brotherhood.

[Jesse]

Anon, you quote this part that's come up in a few articles that says "The parties mentioned in serial No. 1 to 55 ... are directed to deposit the amount due to respondent No.19 (RHC Holding) with the Registrar General of this Court within 30 days.."

So it's saying a lot of people owe RHC Holding money if I'm reading it correctly. And if you go further, everyone is reporting that Gurinder is one of the 1-55. So Gurinder owes his family money according to the court. This isn't solely the claim of RHC aka his cousin/nephews which it seems you're implying.

I give Spence a hard time, but you can't accuse him of being deceitful here. He's presenting a lot of facts, that he isn't jumbling, but that are already jumbled because A- the original court documents aren't all being presented and B- the ones that are available are being reported only in part by a lot of journalists which makes the whole thing sound more confusing than necessary. If anything, Spence has clarified and consolidated some of this messy case.

It takes some piecing together to get the whole story, but you only need a handful of the actual quotes from the judges to understand the main thrust, which is that whether intentionally or not, a lot of people accepted stolen assets and they are not entitled to keep them or the subsequent acquisitions that came from the initial "loans."

I would add my personal conjecture which is that these entities could have, should have, and almost certainly did know that they were involved in corruption but couldn't resist the money and power.

[Jesse]

"I keep asking myself what if I had done this...would I be kicked out of seva? Would my seva badge be taken away? Seva can be taken away for much lesser than this."

Real seva is not serving the pharaoh, but serving the needy slaves and feeling pain and suffering with them.

These new faux hindu movements like RS et al have completely ruined the entire notion of seva and turned it into free labor for the rich. It's disgusting and shameful to work for them for free.

[The Boss]

"I keep asking myself what if I had done this...would I be kicked out of seva? Would my seva badge be taken away? Seva can be taken away for much lesser than this."

Real seva is not serving the pharaoh, but serving the needy slaves and feeling pain and suffering with them.

These new faux hindu movements like RS et al have completely ruined the entire notion of seva and turned it into free labor for the rich. It's disgusting and shameful to work for them for free.

Posted by: Jesse | October 11, 2019 at 09:39 PM

Jesse,

Honestly I didn't go beyond -Real seva is not serving the pharaoh, but serving the needy.

For the Real Seva is serving yourself i.e. soul via attending to Bhajan and Simran.

"Greed is good". Gordon Gekko

Just direct it to Bhajan Simran

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Jesse
You wrote
"Real seva is not serving the pharaoh, but serving the needy slaves and feeling pain and suffering with them."

That hit the mark for me. Truth.

[Di]

Boss, I wonder if all the higher ups in dera actually meditate. In my circle, I can tell if someone is meditating or not based on their nature and behaviors. Meditators tend to be calm, relaxed, caring, selfless, and detached (unpossessive.)
With regards to physical seva, I feel Jesse nailed it.
Hazoor used to say "we have to be useful to other." We should serve those who are truly needy. And not engage in useless seva of doing the same meaningless thing over and over and over again because a higher up tells us "this is how babaji wants it."
Boss, I agree with you that real dera has to be built inside. I wish dera would give clear directive on this and not confuse and tempt the sangat that buiding and maintaining these centers is an end all for their spiritual progress.
In fact, administration should model it!

[RSSB is FINISHED]

if what Di says is true, then nobody meditates.
as they all have over-inflated egos.
they are never useful to anyone

the guru himself supports the sevadars and agrees with following orders because he benefits.
the corruption is from the top down

[um]

Di, some, after initiation, never do go to a satsang, do seva or are involved in the church-like activities of the sangat you write about. They start out on their journey, based on their personal believes, convictions etc and are not so easy to be influence by circumstances.
But not all have that inner calling … they should be looked after also, don't you think.

Not everybody needs a church to pray

I wonder if one can tell if a person meditates or not by their outer appearances.
People that meditate might be kind and soft hearted and helpfull but not all those who are kind, soft hearted and helpfull, do meditate.

If the teachings behind these spiritual schools are correct, people have also to go through their worldly karma and that karma is not the same for everyone.

Maharaj often said that people that are kind, humble and meek just don't know they are and that these kind of virtues are not to be ran after as they occure naturaly as cream dos on milk ...IF … left alone.

Have mercy and compassion on the imperfect.