Malvinder's lawyer calls for arrest of RSSB guru

Following the arrest of Malvinder and Shivinder Singh by Delhi police for questioning about the diversion of funds from companies they once controlled,(see here and here), and the High Court of Delhi giving the guru of Radha Soami Satsang Beas, along with others, 30 days to pay back $842 million to the Religare corporation, there's more fascinating news.

Likely reflecting what his client is telling authorities, Malvinder Singh's attorney had some harsh words for Gurinder Singh Dhillon, the RSSB guru. At one time the Singh brothers treated Dhillon, their relative, as both a father figure and trusted spiritual adviser on matters both financial and religious.

But now, according to a story in the Indian Express, things are very different. I've boldfaced the mentions of the RSSB guru and co-conspirators.

A day after they were arrested for alleged diversion of funds and causing a loss of Rs 2,397 crore to Religare Finvest Ltd (RFL), brothers Malvinder Singh and Shivinder Singh, former promoters of Religare Enterprises Ltd, were remanded in four-day police custody Friday.

Before they were led away with three others arrested with them, Malvinder’s counsel Manu Sharma told a Delhi court that his client did not have a “single penny” and that investigators were not arresting a “a person to whose doorstep the money leads as he is heading a great religious organisation”.

“This gentleman runs an entity called Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB) trust. He’s a very powerful man and has high political relevance,” Sharma told the court of Chief Metropolitan Magistrate Deepak Sherawat at the Saket courts complex in south Delhi.

At one stage, the Singh brothers were followers of the RSSB.

He said the FIR against Malvinder is an offshoot of a September 27 order of the Delhi High Court which ordered 55 entities and individuals, including RSSB chief Gurinder Singh Dhillon, his family members and various companies owned by them or by RSSB associates, to pay dues of over Rs 3,000 to the Singh brothers.

“\After this (High Court) order was reported two days back, my client was detained on the intervening night of Thursday and Friday and arrested before his wife and daughter, who is undergoing treatment at a hospital in Ludhiana,” Sharma told the court.

Besides Malvinder and Shivinder, the Economic Offences Wing of Delhi Police Thursday arrested Sunil Godhwani, former chairman and managing director of Religare Enterprises Ltd (REL), Kavi Arora and Anil Saxena who held “important managerial positions in REL and RFL” for alleged diversion of public money “in clandestine manner for their own benefit.

Noting that “the offence is of very serious nature involving huge amount of siphoning of money”, CMM Sherawat ordered their police custody since it is “necessary to trace the trail of the cheated amount and find out the role of other persons who might have participated in conspiracy, and confrontation with other officials of RFL and REL”. He directed that the accused be produced in court again on October 15.

The court granted four-day police custody though the EOW had sought six days, saying they also needed to ascertain the role of co-conspirators.

Godhwani and Saxena did not oppose the police remand while Shivinder told the court that he himself was a victim of the fraud and would cooperate with the investigation in every possible manner.

Malvinder’s lawyer Sharma told the court that he had given an affidavit in the High Court saying the money was not with him. Maintaining that his client had been cooperating, he said: “I am a defenceless and a penniless man. The agency should arrest the RSSB chief who has not even been touched.”

Meanwhile, the RSSB chief and his family members moved the High Court Friday, saying they do not owe any money to RHC Holdings Pvt Ltd, promoted by Malvinder and Shivinder.

Comments

[Shakuni]

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[Vishal]

Hi Brian,
I just wanna say thanks to you for your efforts in making people aware against RSSB.
I am Glad your efforts are showing results.
I was introduced to your blog some 5-6 years ago when I was searching in Google against him.
I have also try my best to make People aware against them.

I have just a request to you.
When 5-6 years ago ,I visited your site you have posted a Book(pdf file) in Your website. I have lost that book. Can you please mail that book to me if possible?

[Whodunit]

Where is the call to arrest Gurinder Singh Dhillon, barring Malvinder's affidavit issued through his lawyer suggesting that his client (Malvinder) has called for the courts mercies as he is now a 'defenceless penniless man' and the agency should be directed to arrest the RSSB chief.?

This position Malvinder finds himself in is of his own making, he should retrace his own actions in his capacity as chief managing officer of Ranbaxy prior to FDA rejection of Ranbaxy's manufacturing of substandard drugs, and his handling of REL and RHC holdings finances subsequent to the sale to Daiichi Sankyo for $2 Billion.

Now he seeks courts sympathy for the years of unscrupulous manufacturing processes which is the kernel of the saga, and which is why Daiichi sought recompense via arbitration for having bought a relatively defunct company, and whereby the proceeds from said sale were long since invested in fixed assets elsewhere prior to Daiichi Sankyo's success in obtaining the arbitration ruling.

[Whodunit? not me mommy]

Nicely put @Whodunit

[Cheeselings]

I just wanna say thanks to you for your efforts in making people aware against RSSB.

Posted by: Vishal | October 12, 2019 at 10:57 AM

Hello our earthling brother Vishal

The outreach of this blog is now upto Andromeda

Even we the cheeselings express our earnest thanks for making us aware against RSSB.

You will be happy to know that there is already a planetwide sense of betrayal and anger against the fraud RSSB. It's all thanks to this blog we know the reality.

We are sure, it must be the same on your planet as well.

All the brst
Posted by: Cheeselings from Andromeda |

[Dassan Dass]

The truth has to prevail. The fake can’t be a SATGURU. His end is inevitable. Only a Fake Guru can be so much involved in Maya. Satnaam bless him.

[Guru]

Latest news

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/religare-fraud-rs-1-260-crore-diverted-to-malvinder-singh-s-firm-rhc-holdings-says-eow/amp-11570868383966.html

[Um]

Dassan Dass,

You write about him but what about his followers?

Can you imagine what happens to them if you are correct that one day he would have to say publicly what you suggest!?!?

Do you think that the so called truth will wash away the pain they will feel???

[j]

Malvinder in jail for 4 days. "The police sought the custodial interrogation of the accused, saying it was necessary as they were allegedly involved in the diversion of public money which needs to be tracked.
It further said that a lot of people are involved in the alleged cheating and misappropriation of funds. The police also said the accused have to be confronted with other officials to ascertain the role of co-conspirators, adding the money trail found in the case was at an initial stage of probe." https://thewire.in/government/religare-fraud-singh-brothers-sent-to-four-day-police-custody

Initial stage? What have they been doing in the last several months?

[j]

"A Bloomberg investigation final 12 months documented how the Singhs had been additionally financing a property enterprise underneath the names of family members of their non secular guru, Gurinder Singh Dhillon, who heads the Radha Soami Satsang Beas, probably the most highly effective sects in North India. A few of that cash got here from their listed hospital and monetary providers companies within the type of loans to entrance firms."

https://liistudio.com/karma-catches-up-with-malvinder-shivinder-singh-as-banks-look-to-clean-up-bad-loan-mess/12452/

"Underneath the names"? Is it possible that the Dhillon family actually didn't receive any money, and that they were unaware that shell companies had been created in their name?

[Anon]

J you wrote
“"Underneath the names"? Is it possible that the Dhillon family actually didn't receive any money, and that they were unaware that shell companies had been created in their name?”

Also possible. All I know is when BBJ said he Petaluma he has not taken anything from anyone other than his parents he meant it. So how all this has happened will unfold. The truth will come out. (I love saying that) 😊

[Jesse]

"Is it possible that the Dhillon family actually didn't receive any money, and that they were unaware that shell companies had been created in their name?"

Yes, and it's common in India. But wasn't Gurinder on the board of some of the larger companies himself? He was so involved publicly that it'd be a hard sell to convince anyone that at his level of involvement he didn't know about the operations of these companies. He would have known about these shell companies for quite a long time, and you'd think that he would have pressed charges himself by now.

Also, he's massively rich. Where did he think the money was coming from? Sat Purush?

[Spence Tepper]

Hi J
You wrote
"Is it possible that the Dhillon family actually didn't receive any money, and that they were unaware that shell companies had been created in their name?”

If you look at the article on the RSSB website it details a few of the shell companies, and highlights in particular those with Gurinder's wife listed as principle.

The information has been in the press over the last two years.

And it details the loans from the sale of Ranbaxy that went to Gurinder et al. It also details that when Gurinder could not pay and became delinquent, his assets were held by the investors.

Why would RSSB post a fictitious article?

The fact they posted it as part of truth in disclosure and transparency, has seriously weakened Gurinder's current claim he owes nothing.

Then there are the mountains of paper evidence in the papers of incorporation of these many different companies, as well as the annual financial statements, and the various loan documents, since all of these required signature by either the principles (Gurinder, his wife and sons), or the loan recipients (Gurinder, his wife and sons).

That means hundreds of documents over the last ten years of financial diversion detailing the loans, signed by Gurinder, his wife, sons, at all. And that is a mountain of evidence. If it doesn't exist, Gurindar's case for innocence becomes very strong.

If the dozens of signatures made over several years match, he's toast.

These are all available to the police for investigation. They are publicly registered legal documents. The crimes division will match the dates and amounts and look for corroborating witnesses to the events.

[J]

Spence,

You could be right. I'm just saying that I don't know the precise legal structure of these "shell companies" and who actually controlled them, and on what precise basis (if any) were the Dhillon family members aware of and in control of these entities. In other words, is it possible that someone could be listed as the principal of an Indian shell company and yet have never known about it, or had any control of the funds that went in and out of it?

I know nothing about Indian finance law, but the fact that Gurinder showed up to the court to say he'd received no money is either a colossally boldfaced public lie to an Indian judge, or it really is the truth.

[Brian Hines]

J, where did you read that Gurinder told the court he'd received no money? From the stories I've read, Gurinder's attorney challenged the court order to repay the money.

It seems next to impossible that Gurinder and his family received no money from companies once controlled by the Singh brothers and Godhwani, since their receipt of lots of money has been reported many times in the Indian financial press with no pushback or denials from Gurinder or his attorney.

[Whodunit]

Gurinder stated it himself publicly in Petaluma in open discussion to a question posed about the 'financial scandal' where he outright stated he hasn't taken anything from anyone for his own personal uses other than from his parents.

Plus when questioned about it in Singapore he responded with 'tell them the Baba was getting bored so he decided to come with a "Bang"

Take it and make of it whatever you will, every negating sentiment under the sun will be put to the test, and the karmic implications between giving and taking, sowing and reaping, action and reactions to the house of cards almighty fallout will absolutely have the last unambiguous effect.

[RSSB is FINISHED]

if you have a brain - it is there to be used not just look good.

clearly he received money, only an idiot would say he received no money. the question is only if he owes the money back or if he received it for another reason.
if it was a loan then it has to be repaid. but he will claim it was a business transaction and the money was a payment in the same way that you get paid for any service you perform.

if it was a payment for services/goods provided then its not a loan. so that is all the guru is claiming. he cannot den receiving the money but he can deny that it was a loan. obviously there is no written document so it will be a court decision.

malvinder's word against the gurus word. could go either way

[Jim Sutherland]

The Laundered Money HAD to end up SOME WHERE! And obviously, GSD is the only God Father , that knows where the Key to the Laundry Mat is hidden.

https://internationalman.com/articles/offshore-banking/

The tiny Country, Andorra, wedged between Spain and France is where the Fraudulent Guru, i.e. Gary Stewart was laundering the money he siphoned off the International Rosicrucian Order, AMORC in San Jose, California that I was a Member of and studied with for 10 years. He became the Imperator of AMORC after Ralph Lewis died. We Members were paying monthly Dues to the Organization, so were not happy campers when we found out the Guru was syphoning our money from the Organization and Laundering it in Off Shore Banks under his own private Name. The Organization litigated against Gary Stewart, and split, appointing a Man from France as the new Guru, who still remains today Guru of AMORC, with Gary Stewart forming his new Competitive Rosicrucian Order, using the Laundered money. The original Organization never was able to recover the syphoned money, and Gary Stewart was even able to have been swarded to ownership of all of the Original Esoteric Monographs or the AMORC Order. It was in the Courts for years.
I think after this RSSB scandal finally comes to the End Game, a similar out come as AMORC scandal will happen, with no one recovering most of the laundered money, and RSSB will be split in to two or more Branches with new Self proclaimed or Gurus, and GSD will be retired to live out his remaining life in some Resort Mansion in some Country that provides a Safe Sach Khand earth Dera fir him. He will take his closest loyal Magnificent 7 Security Sevadors with him, along with his Bibis to take care of his private needs.
It all might take years to completely unfold, as the Authorities litigate all of the Whodunit Players in the Scandal, but hey, CoC will remain the Go To Outlet to keep us informed of the latest up to date news.
Jim Sutherland

[Sevk]

Am an ordinary person who was very very intelligent once upon a time and an atheist. A non believer.
Experience has brought me to the path. Wisdom has taught me life teaches us a lot if we are patient and humble.
Wait n see. Guru is Great beyond words.

[Each man for himself]

There is no question of whether The Dhillons received money. That is a known. Only a complete idiot will question that.
What GSD is claiming is that the money was not a loan
So does not require repayment

[Georgy Porgy]

This dude Malvinder is like a drowning man trying to take every one down with him - if anything he is the character who has caused all the issues here - no one else.

Judas selling out Jesus

[um]

Each for himself …

People who write here are all more or less lost in the drama as a whole or the different details there of. The question arises why do they care? .. Why are they so [pre] occupied with it?
What is at stake for each of them? Where thus their particular view- and standpoint arises from?

So what would that self reflection teach us?

[slave_of_GSD]

a similar out come as AMORC scandal will happen, with no one recovering most of the laundered money, and RSSB will be split in to two or more Branches with new Self proclaimed or Gurus.

Posted by: Jim Sutherland | October 13, 2019 at 02:58 AM

Hello Nostradamus 2.0 oops sorry I meant Jim

Good to have your prophecy. Trust you will remain in here either ways.

Just one clarification for now, are you going to throw your hat in the ring for Gurudom?

You would make an ideal guru for all of us in here. I think even the cheeslings will back you - unless our dear Spency throws his hat in as well. Then maybe the radiant Charan might have to cast his deciding vote ie choose for a SECOND time.

I promise that henceforth my posts to you both will be full of praise.

Damn that GSD. He is crookedness personified.

A good beginning I hope. Will only get better.

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Each Man...
The RSSB website article details the hundreds of millions of dollars of stock sold to Gurinder by the Singh Brothers as part of the sale of Ranbaxy. These were all paid as bank debenture loans with a very high percentage.

https://www.rssb.org/news26.html

And

"Thereafter, this money was transferred to Prius Real Estate Private Limited controlled by Dhillon family associates and RSSB functionaries through optionally convertible debentures (OCD). The money invested in other Prius group entities called Prius Commercial, Payne Realtors, SVIIT Software and Sharan Hospitality whose preference shares worth Rs 875.53 crore were subscribed to by Prius Real Estate. Both the OCDs and preference shares were to be redeemed between August-November, 2018 at a hefty premium."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.businesstoday.in/lite/story/delhi-hc-orders-recovery-from-rssb-chief-gurinder-dhillon-wife-and-sons-to-pay-singh-brothers-due-to-daiichi/1/354797.html

The real estate didn't climb in value high enough to meet the loan payments. And then investors held Gurinder's assets.

In short Gurinder et all received loans (convertable bank debentures) used to buy stock, and then real estate.

He was delinquent. He didn't repay them.

His assets were held, as stated on the RSSB website article.

It happened.

Why Gurinder would lie about it now is a question to be answered in court.

What happened with Malvinder, Shivinder and Sunhil is that they set up shell companies with Gurinder's family to siphon money from publicly held companies they also controlled, Fortis and Religar Finvest, in the form of unsecured loans to private shell companies that further siphoned money through loans to the ailing real estate companies owned by Gurinder et AL.

But that is fraud.

[Jen from Austin Texas]

The Dhillons approached the court to say that they do not owe the Singh brothers anything.
A few months ago there was so much talk here as to why would these 2 brothers would loan leaps of money to the Dhillons. What’s the reason? Well perhaps they never did.
The could have cooked the books. Shivinder did claim Malvinder forged his wife’s signatures. And in the beginning they both claimed BBJ had no involvement. Read Malvinders letters and it’s clear that’s the tone of someone who is owed money. Something switched and he hatched up this whole story.

Bottom line is this—if you trust the Guru his teaching and that he would exemplify that in his life then there is no question to all this.

[Jen from Austin Texas]

Typo meant to say tone of someone who is not owed money. Just read them and make up your own mind.

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Jen from Austin
You wrote
"Bottom line is this—if you trust the Guru his teaching and that he would exemplify that in his life then there is no question to all this."

None of the Sant Mat Masters encourage blind faith, including Gurinder.

If the years of signed documents as principles of companies and on loans were forged, the courts will uncover it. These documents and the witnesses to the events, form the bulk of the mountain of evidence.

It isn't evidence of Gurinder's personal involvement. Only evidence that he and family members took thousands of crore and didn't pay it back. And until now, Gurinder et al has not assisted any authority in getting to the bottom of the fraud, even after being ordered by the high court in June to pay, and now being delinquent in meeting that deadline. He simply had not cooperated with the authorities.

However, with the second order to pay and the arrests this week of Malvinder, Shivinder (whom he was grooming to be the next Master) and Sunhil, Gurinder's lawyer submitted a statement that Gurinder is innocent, received no loans, owes no money. But the evidence suggests otherwise.

From the article on the RSSB website we do read that Gurinder and his wife had very close ties to Sunhil, one of the principles advised of fraud.... And invited him to manage their foray into the investment world, at he was already managing the finances of the Dera.

"Sunny, as Sunil Godhwani is known among friends, was brought in to manage the finances of the dera during the churn that took place after the passing of Charan Singh in the early years of the new master Dhillon.

" Some old-time mutual-fund managers remember interacting with Sunil Godhwani for the investment of dera’s funds. Thus, he quickly became part of the inner circle of the new master. No wonder when the Dhillon family chose to enter the corporate world, they chose to go with Sunny.

"The Articles of Association of Luminous, when originally filed in April 2002, showed that Sunil Godhwani and Shabnam Dhillon were its first directors. Sunil Godhwani continued on the board of Luminous till October 2007, when he took Religare Enterprises to its IPO.

https://www.rssb.org/news26.html

And in the same article we read....

"People familiar with Religare operations say the master himself took significant interest in the affairs of Religare and was even part of meetings with business heads where a proposal to restructure the company was presented. Had the deal gone through, the mess could have been averted, they say.

"A former colleague of Sunil Godhwani says, "Private-equity funds were ready to pick up stake in Religare Finvest at INR225 per share levels. But the brothers wanted INR300."

"On the same day Shabnam Dhillon resigned from her companies, Rajveer Singh also resigned from four boards: Prius Real Estate, Dignity Buildcon, Hillgrow Infrastructure, and Addon Realty. About a month later, Yuvraj Gorwaney also resigned from the boards of Prius Commercial projects and its subsidiaries.

"However, Rajveer Singh continued to be on several other companies of the Singh brothers. These include Best Healthcare, Fern Healthcare, and Modland Wears, all three named in the recent Luthra & Luthra report as alleged recipients of money allegedly siphoned from Fortis Healthcare."

Please consider the severe questioning Malvinder, Shivinder and Sunhil are undergoing right now while in jail.

Of course the issue of Gurinder's involvement is coming up. And the crimes division is searching for corroborating witness to the paper work. And if that evidence does corroborate, some plea bargaining as well.

In short, the crimes division now has the complete attention of Mal, Shiv and Sunhil. They want to get to the bottom of this, perhaps because they suspect it isn't with these three.

If it were, there world be no need to arrest them.

They are working their way up the food chain of one of India 's largest and most complex frauds in recent history. And in a matter of days or weeks they will have their case.

[Spence Tepper]

One more point, JFAT,
If any harm comes to Shivinder, Malvinder or Sunhil between now and their trial, which could provide compromising witness to Gurindar's involvement, there will be support for the earlier death threat claims.

[RSSB is FINISHED]

Georgy Porgy, I have to say you write complete bullshit

why don't you try reading?

read this
https://hinessight.blogs.com/files/malav-eow-criminal-complaint.pdf

how is malvinder the loose cannon here?

grab a brain, mister.

if you cannot make an intelligent statement, better to write nothing than to
show everyone that you have no brain.

[j]

"J, where did you read that Gurinder told the court he'd received no money? From the stories I've read, Gurinder's attorney challenged the court order to repay the money."

What's fuzzy to me is what "received" precisely means in the context of these shell companies. You and others are more familiar with the court cases and media reports on this issue. But at this point, it's not at all clear to me that evidence has been put forward that the money going through these accounts was necessarily controlled by the people listed as principles, or that they were the final destination of the money. Who listed these people as principles and who created these shell accounts, and do we know to what extent -- if any -- was the money entering and leaving these accounts the actual property of the principles? In other words, could the listing of Dhillons as principles have been done not by the Dhillons to enrich themselves, but by Malvinder and his cohorts to employ familiars in a financial scheme? Was this money invested in real estate belongs to these principles, or did the money just flow through the accounts to end up somewhere else, and belonging to someone else?

Comments in some of the latest media stories lead me to doubt that we actually know if the missing money all ended up literally and effectively owned by the Dhillon family. Yes, we have a court ordering the Dhillon's to pay the money back, but I'm just putting forward the possibility (and granted, a lot of it is speculation) that things may not be exactly as they seem.

[RSSB is FINISHED]

Jen from AT

the guru is a conman, a fraudster

so lying is nothing to him.

he might be convincing in person when on stage - but he is preaching to the converted

most conmen are good a lying and are convincing. it only proves the point

[Slave_of_GSD]

Initial stage? What have they been doing in the last several months?

Posted by: j | October 12, 2019 at 05:22 PM

Good question

Answer: laughing at the stupidity on display here.

[I ❤️♋, do you?]

most conmen are good a lying and are convincing.

Posted by: RSSB is FINISHED | October 13, 2019 at 10:03 AM

Experience speaking Jen from Austin Texas. This fella has already convinced me that RSSB is finished.

BTW @RSSB is finished, find any good guru? You've had half a dozen in the past right. Zeroized on to any? Any recommendations?

[slave_of_GSD]

You would make an ideal guru for all of us in here. I think even the cheeslings will back you - unless our dear Spency throws his hat in as well. Then maybe the radiant Charan might have to cast his deciding vote ie choose for a SECOND time.

Posted by: slave_of_GSD | October 13, 2019 at 08:32 AM

I hope somebody is not offended for not mentioning his name. Rest assured Osho Robbins a.k.a. RSSB is FINISHED, I will have your name added to the list the radiant form Charan will have to choose from.

After all the list must comprise atleast his top 3 bad ass disciples.

[Jim Sutherland]

Slave asks Jim,....” You would make an ideal guru for all of us in here. I think even the cheeslings will back you - unless our dear Spency throws his hat in as well. Then maybe the radiant Charan might have to cast his deciding vote ie choose for a SECOND time.“

Jim answers: No, not me. The only worthy Candidate to become the Chosen , would be Professor David Lane, the honest, knowledgeable, loved and chosen by Charan Radhasoami Philosopher Scholar, who forgot more about Radhasoami History and Lineages than all of RSSB combined, including GSD. I doubt if his Wife would agree to move to the Dera and live in India with him, though, but to all those who think they are worthy of replacing GSD if he is incarcerated after being found guilty by the Courts, Professor Lane is the only Candidate that could pull RSSB together and keep initiating new Seekers. As for me,.......I’ll refer all Seekers to Professor Lane, and hope he will be able to sort it all out with Charan’s Blessing. Lane was called , or marked by Charan Singh since age 17, whereas I never even came to the Sant Mat Path until I was 45!
Jim Sutherland

[Dungeness]

If any harm comes to Shivinder, Malvinder or Sunhil between now and their trial, which could provide compromising witness to Gurindar's involvement, there will be support for the earlier death threat claims.

Wasn't the alleged death threat from an attorney? If so, the
instigator could be anyone. The tape could be doctored too.

Was there any evidence that the source was GSD or family?
Absent that, this devolves quickly into conspiracy theories.

[Dungeness]

Comments in some of the latest media stories lead me to doubt that we actually know if the missing money all ended up literally and effectively owned by the Dhillon family.

I think that's a salient point. Were the shell entities just
transit stops in the laundering scheme? Who profited
when the money left the laundromat?

The Dhillons are on the hook for repayment but is that
definitive? Could the garnishee order be an attempt to
flush out some one who knows who the actual perp is?

[Rajat]

For all
This is what i expect from you people doesnot mean if there is a news spread over then it is always truth. I am not suporting the wrong things but just wait for the truth to releive . The people who are giving there prediction a little shame for you its very easy to exploit someone first try yo be on someone place and fell otherwise there is holy power on earth which fetches the truth amd make you all clear with your words.. so for think twicw before saying something!!!!

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Slave... You wrote
"You would make an ideal guru for all of us in here. I think even the cheeslings will back you - unless our dear Spency throws his hat in as well. Then maybe the radiant Charan might have to cast his deciding vote ie choose for a SECOND time.

Posted by: slave_of_GSD | October 13, 2019 at 08:32 AM"

Gurinder got the disciples he deserved.
The disciples got the guru they deserved.

And we are all here so poor Brian Ji can drag us through all this into truth. The Lord 's bulldozer is an Atheist, and a more obedient servant can't be found.

[Jesse]

Gurinder has no actual job yet owns a private jet and has multimillionaire children like Hunter Biden who also do nothing and people are asking "do we know that he ever even received money??? How do we know he or his family ever received even a single penny???"

The sadness prevails.

[Matheikal]

The godman is actually a devil and deserves to be in jail.

[a wise owl]

I’ll refer all Seekers to Professor Lane, and hope he will be able to sort it all out with Charan’s Blessing. Lane was called , or marked by Charan Singh since age 17, whereas I never even came to the Sant Mat Path until I was 45!

Posted by: Jim Sutherland | October 13, 2019 at 12:34 PM

Come on Jim. Not impressed.

By this logic, my mom beats this lane fella by a huge margin. She was called or marked by Him (you call him Charan) at 14years and my uncle would give though competition for he was called at 17 too by Charan. P.S. Lane is not related to us.

Age is never a factor.

Some more interesting comparison

My grand aunt was through to sachkhand before her teens (Great Master's times). A woman with little education and knowledge and

There is one i know who was initiated around 21-22 -----------> over three decades of meditation ----------> now a atheists for the last decade and half. Atleast holds a master's degree from the USofA

It's all about grace. Knowledge and every thing else is inconsequential. Infact are barriers. And we all (ex-ers and believers) are the chosen ones despite all over deeds, words, short comings and actions for he never judges us unlike all in here.

Maybe time for some radical changes. GSD had a female driver during car darshan at Delhi yesterday. A first ever. Hope he soon starts judging all of us as well and shaming us on a website dedicated to this. Hey Maybe a white skinned Guru at RSSB?. Jim you will be good. Ofcourse with Charan's grace.

Throw in your hat Jim. Let this not pass.

My apologies @slave_of_gsd for butting in

[Vinod kumar]

Malvinder n shivender are only accused. When they are caught now putting GSD in trouble. These singh bros know that by taking GSD name ne all their money will be paid ny GSD. GSD is very kind to all. What he will do wd money, he gives to all not takes. Comment writers once you goto BEAS, then u all will cm to know who is right. N who is BLOODY CHOR. Don't blaim GSD, the Karma of singh bros will vanish singh bros.
RADHASWAMI JI.

[slave_of_GSD]

And we are all here so poor Brian Ji can drag us through all this into truth.

Gurinder got the disciples he deserved.
The disciples got the guru they deserved.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 13, 2019 at 04:06 PM

But hey fakey spency -------- radiant Charan doesn't tell you the truth that you need to go to one of his disciple turned atheist?

But am sure your Ji will readily confirm that he will drag you through this all this i.e. perceived RSSB mess into Truth. But the question on minds would be but what truth? Simply what the High Court Judgement will be? To this, your Ji has gone on record to say he will simply accept whatever is the court judgement. Gosh he would have to drag you to this truth.

Disciple expectations of a guru - SKY HIGH but not a minute to look at themselves. Time for some introspection by all the chosen ones

P.S. someone in here doesn't like a Master who lifts him up instead prefers someone who will drag him!!! Maybe this is the type(guru) he deserves.

@ a wise owl,

would have missed the interesting content otherwise. So thanks for butting in.thanks for butting in.

[Jim Sutherland]

A wise old owl writes,.....” Hey Maybe a white skinned Guru at RSSB?. Jim you will be good. Ofcourse with Charan's grace.
Throw in your hat Jim. Let this not pass.”

Me: No doubt, Lane is still the best Candidate, and its way past time to take the Turban off the Radhasoami Gurus, as Lane long ago published in his Book,...”The Guru Has No Turban. Lane is still young enough to be able to take the stress and has the stamina, as a Surfer Dude to do all the necessary Jobs of giving Satsang, blessing the Food in the Langar, and climbing up the steps of the Dias with out a Cane or a Walker as most of your Relative Candidates would need to do. I mean, Lane is not a Fan of Gurinder’s Popemobile for giving Darshan, and no doubt, once he is the Guru, he will JOG thru the adoring faces lined up to get a glimpse of the new White faced American Turban-less Guru with a full head of hair on his head, and clean shaven with out any flowing white beard! Yup, its definitely a time for Change at the Dera! Lane would be more welcomed at all the Foreign Sanghats, wearing Western clothing and attire instead of the usual Indian Pajamas and Turban. Plus, as a Professor, Lane has the Gift of Gab, and knows how to be the absolute Spin Artist.
As for me, I am old, fat, bald and ugly, and I could never give Darshan with out frightening seekers away. The biggest disadvantage I have is that my Physical Life Insurance Policy that was signed by Charan Singh, expires on my 78th Birthday, coming up on Feb. 6, 2020, so my physical protection from Charan Singh is close to coming to an end.
So, Lane has ALL of the Qualities needed be RSSB’s new Guru, because he is Financially Secure, and doesn’t need any money from RSSB, plus he already has his own published Library of “ Its All In The Brain” Books, in addition to “ The Guru Has No Turban.” Gurinder has said to “ Burn All the Books”, so Lane might do just that, and replace them with his own Library of Books, and give them away free as pdfs as he has been doing on hisRadhasoami Studies Forum. Let’s face it Folks,...Gods In Human Form MUST be 100% narcissistic, and surely, Professor Lane has no Rival. I am as Humble as they come.
Jim Sutherland

[Vijay]

Brian you wrote
“J, where did you read that Gurinder told the court he'd received no money? From the stories I've read, Gurinder's attorney challenged the court order to repay the money.”

Quoting the article
“Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB) head Gurinder Singh Dhillon and his family members Friday approached the Delhi High Court saying they do not owe any money to RHC Holdings Pvt Ltd, promoted by Malvinder and Shivinder Singh.”

Sounds to me like they were there. All of them. He was in Delhi for the Satsang program.

Further you say
“It seems next to impossible that Gurinder and his family received no money from companies once controlled by the Singh brothers and Godhwani, since their receipt of lots of money has been reported many times in the Indian financial press with no pushback or denials from Gurinder or his attorney.”

Clearly you don’t know the Indian financial press or the Teachings of the Guru.

[DASSAN DASS]

Dear Um you wrote

Dassan Dass,

You write about him but what about his followers?

Can you imagine what happens to them if you are correct that one day he would have to say publicly what you suggest!?!?

Do you think that the so called truth will wash away the pain they will feel???

Posted by: Um | October 12, 2019 at 03:54 PM

Answer:

Unfortunately millions of people have been misled all over the world but that is a part of their destiny. However they should have used some yardstick to measure their progress in their lifelong dedication and in many cases from generations to generation. Many of them Dassan Dass knows personally have not achieved anything in their lifelong dedication to the RSSB. But God does justice and protects the innocent. The law of Karma prevails. To protect the innocent and punish the untruthful unauthorized (by the DARGAH) religious preachers these kind of corrections are inevitable.

The innocent followers pains will become a very powerful blessing for them resulting in correction of their spiritual path. The fake organized and programmed so called religious DERAS WILL COLLAPSE WITH THE INFINITE DIVINE GRACE OF SAT PARBRAHAM PARMESAR JI SERVING THE TRUTH TO THE MASSES AND PROTECTING INNOCENT FOLLOWERS.

SATNAAM BLESS ALL. HOPEFULLY THE CORRECTION WILL BE VERY REWARDING.

DASSAN DASS

[Um]

Dassan Dass,

There are many ways to see the same and there are many who speak in the name of the Lord.

The result of 2000 years of the Lord speaking to different people, countries etc can be seen in the multitude of religious movements that all claim the right as to be the sole representative of the Lord.

Most of these movements are "regional" and have no place in a globalised world.

[Avi]

Vinod kumar wrote:
"Comment writers once you goto BEAS, then u all will cm to know who is right. N who is BLOODY CHOR. Don't blaim GSD, the Karma of singh bros will vanish singh bros.
RADHASWAMI JI."

For English speakers : "CHOR" (a Hindi word) means thief in English
Vinod Kumar:
I hope you know who "singh bros" are. They are sons of a lady named Nimmi Singh who is the only daughter of Charan Singh, and it is well known that Charan loved her very much (as every father would normally do). So, Charan Singh was Nana (maternal grand father) of "singh bros", whom you are calling "CHORs" (thieves).

As everyone here knows, Charan Singh only appointed GSD as his successor.

Now, GSD is also son of Charan Singh's real sister. So, Nimmi and GSD are very close cousins. And so, GSD is a "Mama" (maternal uncle) of "singh bros".

The point I am trying to make is that it's all in the family. If "singh bros" vanish (as you predict), that will make their mom (Nimmi) very sad. That, in turn, I guess will definitely make Charan (Nimmi's dad and the ex-GIHF) very sad and that will not be good for GSD (the current GIHF) - I guess .....

[Avi]

Brian Hines,
Just FYI, as I wrote / explained in the post above, GSD is a cousin of Nimmi (Charan's daughter) and so he is a maternal uncle (also called "Mama" in Hindi) of Malvinder and Shivender Singh.

Although it does not matter much in the context of the discussions here, I thought it's worth noting as GSD has been referred to as a cousin of Malvinder and Shivender Singh in multiple posts earlier.

[slave_of_GSD]

The point I am trying to make is that it's all in the family. If "singh bros" vanish (as you predict), that will make their mom (Nimmi) very sad. That, in turn, I guess will definitely make Charan (Nimmi's dad and the ex-GIHF) very sad and that will not be good for GSD (the current GIHF) - I guess .....

Posted by: Avi | October 14, 2019 at 05:27 PM

Wow!!!! I really have to control what i put through.

If singh bros disappear ------------> Charan will be sad. -------------> not good for GSD

You have to be a lunatic to actually think that this Singh family has any family values!!!!

Not a breath to ponder on the shame and disrepute she has brought on to her own father and the institution he lovingly served and built over 40 years. And you say Charan will be saf!!!

Charan's grand children - singh brothers : indeed must make him feel real proud, just like their mother.

Ethics is indeed the top ranked virtue of the Singh clan. The old man Bhai Mohan Singh had lost it when he wept because he couldn't come to terms with the eithics of Parvinder Singh and Nimmi (Singh bros parentsr) and Malvinder has only raised the bar.

So not good for GSD - haha.

BTW what if things are not looking good for GSD because he stands up to Charan's ire and desire to burn his daughter and grand children

[Avi]

slave_of_GSD:

Very interesting. Please elaborate on the two points you made above:

"You have to be a lunatic to actually think that this Singh family has any family values!!!!"

Are you referring to the WHOLE Singh family (Nimmi, Malvinder and Shivinder) or are you sparing Shivinder alone as he seems to be on GSD side at least for now?

"Not a breath to ponder on the shame and disrepute she has brought on to her own father and the institution he lovingly served and built over 40 years."

What all did she do? I am curious to know

[slave_of_GSD]

@Avi

Didn't you notice I introduced a new name Parvinder.

So that no more of confusion - the entire lot including Parvinder.

You curious to know more about Charan's daughter .... Dig around. Some effort to find out yourself.

[Mukesh]

I think it is the personal matter of Baba Ji and his family and we have to watch what is happening next .

[Avi]

@slave_of_GSD:

I have another question for you. If the WHOLE Singh family is so crooked why did GSD allow Shivinder to become "full time" sevadar at the Dera?

I also have a related question for you that I had posted earlier on another post on this blog:

Why did GSD sell the charitable hospital in Mohali to Fortis Healthcare (a Singh Bros. company)?

(https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2019/09/ten-reasons-why-radha-soami-satsang-beas-is-a-cult-.html)

[Deras_rock]

DERAS WILL COLLAPSE WITH THE INFINITE DIVINE GRACE OF SAT PARBRAHAM PARMESAR JI SERVING THE TRUTH TO THE MASSES AND PROTECTING INNOCENT FOLLOWERS.

SATNAAM BLESS ALL. HOPEFULLY THE CORRECTION WILL BE VERY REWARDING.

DASSAN DASS
Posted by: DASSAN DASS | October 14, 2019 at 03:38 PM

Satnaam is dead and buried. This is Kalyug my friend.

No harm hoping though.

Cheers