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October 11, 2019

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Brian what I don’t believe is this....
I don’t believe all these articles planted in the media. For anyone who lives in India you will know how easy it is to influence Indian media. 1 article planted and it’s a domino effect and suddenly you start to believe graphs showing flow of money which is bogus.
Read the reports by sebi to see how the money has actually ONLY flowed into the accounts of the brothers.

Nabbed in Punjab
Shiv and Mal
In jail

Send the bill on
To Gurinder Dhillon
For a bill ion

Haynes Park expansion plans...

https://haynespark.co.uk/

Anon, the great thing about the High Court of Delhi proceedings is that soon we'll know whether the Indian financial press has been correct in reporting that the Dhillon family got lots of money from Religare.

The Dhillon family attorneys will be arguing they don't have to pay back any money. Attorneys for Religare, Daichi, and the Singh brothers will be arguing they do have to pay back money. The High Court will decide which argument wins.

I'll accept whatever the High Court decides. Can you say the same? I hope so, because the rule of law is all important in every democratic society.

Hi Anon
Two points.

First, can you please send a link to the September court order?

We would all like to read the details you have referred to.

Secondly, you mentioned the SEBI audit.

The SEBI audit demonstrated the flow of unsecured loans obtained fraudulently directly to related third party companies...

https://www.sebi.gov.in/enforcement/orders/oct-2018/order-in-the-matter-of-fortis-healthcare-limited_40755.html

These companies made unsecured loans to Gurinder et al...

https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/fortis-fraud-may-exceed-rs-2-000-crore-says-sfio-1550522937932.html


https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/fortis-fraud-may-exceed-rs-2-000-crore-says-sfio-1550522937932.html

Both RHC, in their EOW complaint which resulted from their own audit, and Malvinder, provided the court with paperwork evidence these loans went to Gurinder et al. Upon examination of this evidence, the court chose to hold Gurinder et al directly responsible for the repayment of their delinquent loans.

Furthermore, Livemint, business today and others conducted their own independent audits also demonstrating that Gurinder et al received thousands of crore in unsecured loans.


https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/fortis-fraud-may-exceed-rs-2-000-crore-says-sfio-1550522937932.html

Now, let's do a little addition, shall we?

From the above...
207 crore to Dhillon family (sons Gurkirat and Gurpreet)
287 crore to both Godhwani and the Dhillon family (Godhwani, Dhillon's chosen leader to help the Singhs, and his own family),
223 crore to the Dhillon family
152 crore to the Dhillon family
Total.... Hold on let me get out my HP 12C calculator.....

869 crore... Before interest...

And you can read in the article published on the RSSB website which also tells you that some of Gurinder's holdings have already been held by investors when he could not repay them.

https://www.rssb.org/news26.html


After having been ordered by the court directly in June to repay, and in fact being delinquent in response, Gurinder is too late.

https://m.businesstoday.in/lite/story/delhi-hc-orders-recovery-from-rssb-chief-gurinder-dhillon-wife-and-sons-to-pay-singh-brothers-due-to-daiichi/1/354797.html


He should have handled this in June. His advisors falsely told him that Malvinder, Shivinder and Sunhil would take the fall.

There is no evidence that Gurinder masterminded the fraud.

But there is a mountain of paper documenting the loans to Gurinder et al. The loans that have never been paid.

Therefore his claim is completely unsupported. And he waited too long to make it. He is already delinquent in repayment to the court for June's garneshee orders. His credibility as a cooperative suspect has been undermined by his own unwillingness to work with the high court.

The only avenue available to him is the one avenue he has failed to take... And that is to take responsibility for the loans as over-leveraged financial choices that didn't work, and to provide a long term plan that will include liquidating some of his assets, including some of the Satsang centers in prime real estate locations throughout the world.

He can successfully claim there is no evidence that he masterminded or encouraged the fraud.

But he cannot escape the mountain of evidence that he accepted the thousands of crore in loans he had not repaid.

Hi Brian Ji
Shivender, Malvinder and Sunhil are all Satsangis who were devoted to their Master.

That Baba Ji would not step in to help his disciples by assuming responsibility for all this is disappointing.

But Baba Ji, we are offering to help you.

At some point someone has to say, "forget right and wrong, what can I do to help shoulder this burden."

It's unfortunate that this isn't what Baba Ji has done.

But you don't have to be a Guru to step in, do the right thing, and offer to help.

So, Baba Ji, how can we help you pay your bills, and how can we help you fulfill your duty to your disciples?

There is a lot of bogus media reporting in the world. I don't get the feeling that this is an example of that. This comes off as a job well done.

RSSB is hated by certain Sikhs, but overall doesn't have a bad reputation around India. Were this all made up to smear Gurinder I'd expect the more sectarian angle so prevalent in Punjabi media over the years. Some of these stories over the past couple years were written by south Indians who certainly don't have a dog in the fight.

"So, Baba Ji, how can we help you pay your bills, and how can we help you fulfill your duty to your disciples?"

This is so pathetic. Do you try to help any other corporate criminals pay their bills?

Help someone who needs and deserves it instead of virtue signaling on this blog about how devout you are to a man you've never met.

Hi Jesse
You wrote
"This is so pathetic. Do you try to help any other corporate criminals pay their bills?"

Many talented surgeons have their history.

If we prevented all the flawed people on earth from doing their jobs the world would come to a halt. There would be no Emergency Medicine, no surgery, to life - saving drugs.

Were just found to have to help each other, flaws and all.

Your knowledge of the human condition and the necessities of survival are appallingly ignorant.

This third world justice system is strange, if this had happened in US the properties would have been confiscated and auctioned to pay back the money.

Surgeon or person who steals close to a billion dollars and recites from holy books on a stage.

Both are similar services to humanity. Makes sense to value them both equally.

You're totally not mentally ill.

Spence says
“Shivender, Malvinder and Sunhil are all Satsangis who were devoted to their Master.

That Baba Ji would not step in to help his disciples by assuming responsibility for all this is disappointing.”

Spence when your child repeatedly doesn’t listen to your advise, does The exact opposite of what you say, cheats, lies and hurts others including you and then when he gets into trouble pins The blame on you and accuses you of malicious things you didn’t do like a death threat. If that child is asked to pay for his wrong actions let me know if you would step in and assume responsibility. Even if you did do that it would teach him nothing. And that would be the real disappointment.

Look, Jesse, let me try to be transparent.
A famous cardiologist as it turns out, is found taking two salaries from two hospitals they both have privileges at.
A brilliant surgeon schedules cases simultaneously at two separate locations, only to cancel half of them just for convenience, depending upon where they are..
And as a result the predictable medical errors... But if course that surgeon never thought normal human limitations applies to them...

With these oxen we shall plow.

"I am penniless"

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/malvinder-shivinder-singh-religare-enterprises-limited-radha-saomi-satsang-beas-rssb-6065107/

coming full circle

https://www.dailypioneer.com/2019/columnists/coming-full-circle.html

Tip: to get the latest news articles, google "gurinder singh dhillon" then go to settings, advanced search, last update, 24 hours. You'll find a lot of things that Google's news feed misses

Oh that makes sense, Spence. Totally.

Let me be transparent, too. 2 guys go on a shopping trip, but only one spends money. Somehow a fish jumps into his suitcase on his return trip and customs agents attempt to charge him for importing food items. As his wife waits in the airport parking lot, she falls in love with another man and moves to Ohio, where the sun always shines. 3 months into her affair the husband decides to move to Ohio as well. But chickens don't eat dirt.

With 3 Mercedes we shall aspire.


I say all that in full transparency. Totally logical metaphor, that I hope you follow.

Typically Malvinder was absconding yet he is the main perpetrator, Police had to send out an LOC to find him. Shivinder isn't hiding behind any lawyers and represents himself and is willing to cooperate.
Seems most here enjoy the idea that Malvinder is the hard done by poor defenseless plaintiff yet it was his driving ambitious zeal that put Ranbaxy into the critical condition it found itself after Daiichi bought it having not realized that the pharmaceuticals they were selling to USA and international market were subject to FDA rejection through substandard to specification.

If Daiichi hadn't sought recompense through arbitration trial and won their case against Malvinders REL probably none of the subsequent fallout would have transpired, unfortunately karma is a bitch and what goes around tends to come around.

Almost two years after the initial Bloomberg article unveiled the financial skullduggery of the Singh Brothers, GSD and his Team, and alerted SEBI to wrongdoings, which they subsequently started to investigate, we seem to be approaching a thrilling climax to this whole sordid affair.
Whilst GSD’s followers continue to defy logic, from my completely impartial perspective, I think it is only a matter of time now until a) GSD fails to comply with the HC’s order to lodge funds with them re Daiichi (if he had the money, he’d have settled up a long time ago) and b) Is implicated in the theft of funds from Religare. If GSD wasn’t involved in the misappropriation of those funds, why would the Singh brothers randomly transfer vast amounts of Religare’s funds to GSD?
“Let justice be done though the heavens fall”

One of the two - lender or receipient seems lying among the great grand family which most of us revere as Guru ghar.

Its pathetic and bitter.

He is cool and calm and oblivious of the mal-developments surrounding Him is performing Satsangs etc by His usual self and vigour applauding the honesty. values and fine print of Santmat handed over to Him by His predecessors responsibly and closely to His sangat.


Hi Jesse
Sorry. Look, people are imperfect. People who do great things often have great flaws. That's why we need to help each other. To simply decry wrong doing and stop someone from basically functioning in their work, won't work, since we all have feet off clay. But what helps us become stronger, what inspires is to do good?

Our inspiration often comes from people who need help or who, despite their good, are also doing bad. I witness this all the time on my work, and within myself. The examples I gave are of two real people.

So the fact that Baba Ji has a gambling addiction and a circle of sycophants enabling it, does not take away from the teachings or his effectiveness in inspiring us to meditate. And this meditation, as many forms of exercising the attention, is very healthy, understood and practiced appropriately.

Therefore the obligation is on us to help bring the plain truth to light, and then help Baba Ji get back on the right track.

You are not a Satsangi. So you can rightly say that you don't have such an obligation. But those of us on the path do, and we are unable to walk away, nor do we want to. We want to fix the problem. That can only be done on a platform free of superstition and magical thinking. And that is why Brian Ji and those here who see through they problems, but also understand what was once loving and helpful, are compelled and more responsible to pull back the layers of illusion, remove the cancer, and then help the healing process.

Hi Vijay
You asked
"Spence when your child repeatedly doesn’t listen to your advise, does The exact opposite of what you say, cheats, lies and hurts others including you and then when he gets into trouble pins The blame on you and accuses you of malicious things you didn’t do like a death threat. If that child is asked to pay for his wrong actions let me know if you would step in and assume responsibility."

This is the question weighing on Charan Singh today.

" BusinessToday.In has documented the flow of money from the Singh brothers to entities owned and controlled by Gurinder Singh Dhillon -- the head of the Radha Soami Satsang Beas. ROC filings and terms sheets say between 2011 and 2014, Rs 1,107.5 crore from the Rs 9,576 crore sale proceeds of Ranbaxy to Daiichi Sankyo was paid through RHC group firms RHC Holding Private Limited, Oscar Investment Limited, RHC Finance Private Limited and Fortis Healthcare Holdings Private Limited into two group entities ANR Securities Private Limited and Ranchem Private Limited. Singh brothers' dues from these 55 entities now add up to Rs 6,373 crore."

https://m.businesstoday.in/story/pay-up-singh-brothers-dues-in-30-days-delhi-hc-tells-rssb-chief-dhillon-wife-ex-religare-chief-godhwani/1/383617.html

Of course Charan has already decreed the answer. We need to acknowledge the facts, and then, yes, work together to pay the debt.

This Malvinder guy may be the most brilliant criminal of all time.

He's stolen over 800 million dollars and has it tucked away somewhere, no one knows where exactly, but he's somehow falsely convinced others that he's now "penniless" and that the missing millions went to Dhillon family members. Babaji has patiently put up with this bogus story for years, but just recently he felt obliged to report to the Indian court that he and his family members haven't received a single errant rupee.

Since Babaji's testimony is beyond reproach, it seems that Malvinder has somehow pulled off a brilliant scheme where he falsified all the pertinent financial documents of this case, bamboozling 3rd party legal experts into handing out court decrees that point to the Dhillons as the recipients of the embezzled crores.

I think everyone has to agree that Malinder's scheme is truly brilliant. By falsely putting all the blame on his Guru and completely destroying his reputation with his family and the Sangat, Malvinder has thrown everyone off the trail of the missing money. The final stages of his plot are simple: After spending a few years in prison, Malvinder will be freed and will dig up the crores from wherever he happened to have buried them on along the banks of the Beas river.

Some reading this will find it far fetched, but apart from some of the details, is there really any other possibility for what happened to the missing money? There's never been a case where Gurus have lied about anything, let alone used their power and position to encourage their followers to enrich themselves and their family members.

Babaji, Malv and Shivi all have business/financial backgrounds. Myself, who knows nearly nothing about money and business, do know 2 things I learned as part of practical life wisdom: 1. If you wish to keep your family and friends don't mix money with them; and 2. Never hire someone you can't fire.
What were they thinking, particularly Babaji who is at the helm of santmat? Who is here to teach and model for all of us to live as water fouls in muddy ponds yet fly away with dry wings. Why is he even close to this mess? Shouldn't he have stayed at least an arms length away?
Here they are now in courts trying to prove Malv did vs Shivi did vs Dhillons did! Only the involved individuals know the actual facts. However, it is a lose/lose/lose situation for all. Even if Dhillons can escape, the name will remain stained as people will question the fairness of Indian courts and Babaji's clout.
A penniless man has nothing to lose, yet he maybe telling the truth. If he feels, he is doomed anyway, he will try to drag everyone into the mud whole because he is going there anyway. Why not have some familiar company!
My question again is why is he picking the Dhillons to take with him?

Malv is not picking the dhillons, it was them that were on the other side of the financial transactions.

but a good lawyer will throw out his testimony as unreliable as he himself is guilty of fraud - so how reliable is his testimony

nobody would have got caught if the singh brothers had not got into financial trouble and then the loyalty and trust between them and the guru became zero because it was each for himself.

as long as it was working for both, it worked. but once the singh brothers lost their money, they had nothing to lose by exposing the guru

J you wrote
“This Malvinder guy may be the most brilliant criminal of all time.
He's stolen over 800 million dollars and has it tucked away somewhere, no one knows where exactly, but he's somehow falsely convinced others that he's now "penniless" and that the missing millions went to Dhillon family members. Babaji has patiently put up with this bogus story for years, but just recently he felt obliged to report to the Indian court that he and his family members haven't received a single errant rupee.”

Finally someone else seeing how Malvinder has orchestrated this whole scheme. His lawyer is known in India to
Be one of the most scrupulous lawyers out there.(surprise surprise)
Hats off to Babaji for patiently putting up with this all this time especially when both bogus stories of the death threats came out. By the way, the filmmakers story is totally false too. It’s all a scheme to divert attention and tarnish an image.

Further you wrote
“Some reading this will find it far fetched, but apart from some of the details, is there really any other possibility for what happened to the missing money? There's never been a case where Gurus have lied about anything, let alone used their power and position to encourage their followers to enrich themselves and their family members.”

The missing money is hidden offshore somewhere.
“I am penniless” is a big joke!!!!!

Obviously Malvinder isn't penniless. He's a criminal and he has more money than anyone could ever need hidden all over the place.

His riches don't absolve Gurinder who as we all know wrote a letter to these cousins attempting them to force them to put in writing that he wasn't responsible for whatever crimes they'd committed. But if your baba is so innocent, why was he accepting money he knew was coming from illegitimate sources?

Were he honest in the beginning he wouldn't have accepted the stolen goods.

Hey J: Dreaming about another guru sharing the same mud pit as Gurinder are ya? "Everyone else is doing it?" Fantasizing about some false equivalency to feel better about the current situation? If there's another guruji who also allegedly participated in unethical "syphoning" of funds, we await the reporting about this complete with court cases and headlines! If and when it exists, no doubt everyone here will devote as much attention to that scandal as the current one with Mr. GSD. Let the case be made, not in fantasy land, but here in the real world. Meanwhile and here on terra firma we're just gonna have to patiently wait and see how the court rules. Gurinder totally innocent? Dhillon family assets to be seized? Woah, Malvinder, brilliant mastermind evil genius? Malvinder, soft target and innocent victim? Time will tell and not long to wait!

j
You have put forward a strong narrative that would explain that the Baba has zero involvement in this finance scamdal.
There are events to support this, such as, Shiv becoming devout and leaving the business.
The Baba writing the “family letter”
Mal claiming death threats.

I’ve itchy feet waiting for the punchline to this. Roll on the 26th.
How funny it would be if Anon and Georgy Porgy were right all along.

😵😱

This third world justice system is strange, if this had happened in US the properties would have been confiscated and auctioned to pay back the money.

Posted by: Vinny | October 11, 2019 at 04:15 PM

Really Vinny!!!! Let's hear it from you what happens in third world justice system. Will make it easy for you - 100 words on just the Indian justice system ok.

This is the question weighing on Charan Singh today.

Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 12, 2019 at 08:43 AM

Am sure you learnt of this from that radiant form of Charan, the one that carries you through that region mahasunn. Right Spency

His riches don't absolve Gurinder who as we all know wrote a letter to these cousins attempting them to force them to put in writing that he wasn't responsible for whatever crimes they'd committed.

Posted by: Jesse | October 12, 2019 at 06:36 PM

Jesse,

I am not aware. So it can't be "as we all know". So first define the set "we" and two for all in here (past, present and future) to know kindly share that letter

j
You have put forward a strong narrative that would explain that the Baba has zero involvement in this finance scamdal.
There are events to support this, such as, Shiv becoming devout and leaving the business.
The Baba writing the “family letter”
Mal claiming death threats.

I’ve itchy feet waiting for the punchline to this. Roll on the 26th.
How funny it would be if Anon and Georgy Porgy were right all along.

😵😱

Posted by: Mike England | October 13, 2019 at 01:34 AM

So if they turn out to be right will you be happy for them or worried about the rest in here?

His riches don't absolve Gurinder who as we all know wrote a letter to these cousins attempting them to force them to put in writing that he wasn't responsible for whatever crimes they'd committed.

Posted by: Jesse | October 12, 2019 at 06:36 PM

Jesse,

I am not aware. So it can't be "as we all know". So first define the set "we" and two for all in here (past, present and future) to know kindly share that letter
Posted by: Donald Crumb | October 13, 2019 at 04:23 AM

Knock knock is Jesse here?

"There's never been a case where Gurus have lied about anything, let alone used their power and position to encourage their followers to enrich themselves and their family members."

Posted by: j | October 12, 2019 at 09:51 AM

@j:
1. Please define "Gurus"; do you mean RSSB gurus only or something else?
2. There have been many things that have been said by GSD and/or happened for the first time in RSSB under the leadership of GSD which could be considered radically different from the traditional RSSB philosophy. For example: no guru ever sold a charitable hospital to a corporate house.
So, IMO, anything is possible. What do you think?

Hi slave _of_GSD

You wrote
"Am sure you learnt of this from that radiant form of Charan, the one that carries you through that region mahasunn. Right Spency"

The one that carries me through THIS region.
This is the tough one. That one's a piece of cake.


Some can never ever stand on their own anywhere!

For those with respect and regard to what in U.S. Federal Courts they term i.e. as Due Process:

https://www.businesstoday.in/current/corporate/daiichi-case-delhi-hc-orders-rssb-chief-dhillon--family-singh-brothers-ghodhwanis-present-court/story/384999.html

(November 14th, 2019, an event yet still twenty-seven days beyond my own human comprehension. Salaam)

For those with respect and regard to what constitutes living by ones own standards, and practicing what they preach, Gurinder Singh Dhillon is guilty already.

Why do we need to go through this every time, "Karim?" The US Court system is not the moral authority of the world, and humans are free to have opinions or to ascribe innocence or guilt based on their own standards, and contrary to any court's decision.

(Gurinder Singh was guilty 20 years ago when he he first called himself God through a labyrinth of implications and publications. Shalom)

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