The drama surrounding the financial fraud saga involving the Singh brothers, Sunil Godhwani, and a guru, Gurinder Singh Dhillon, has taken another turn with the arrest of Malvinder Singh (his brother, Shivinder, and Godhwani were arrested previously).
A LiveMint story describes the arrest.
New Delhi: In late night drama on Thursday, the economic offences wing (EOW) of the Delhi police arrested former co-promoter of Religare Enterprises, Malvinder Mohan Singh, in Ludhiana (Punjab) for allegedly causing wrongful loss worth ₹2,397 crore to Religare Finvest Ltd, a senior Delhi police official said.
“He was nabbed in Punjab, and we are getting him to Delhi," a senior Delhi police official said about Malvinder Singh
An official statement from the Delhi Police will be available on Friday morning.
Malvinder Singh’s arrest comes hours after his younger brother Shivinder Singh, former Religare Enterprises chairman and managing director Sunil Godhwani, as well as two other officials from the companies were also arrested in the same case.
“The alleged persons, having absolute control of Religare Enterprises Ltd and its subsidiaries, put Religare Finvest Ltd in poor financial condition by way of disbursing loans to the companies having no financial standing and controlled by the alleged persons," the Delhi Police had said in the statement earlier on Thursday.
The accused, the Delhi police said, were arrested under section 409 (criminal breach of trust by a public servant, banker, merchant or agent) and section 420 (cheating) of the Indian Penal Code.
The financial irregularities were flagged during independent audits by the Reserve Bank of India and Securities and Exchange Board of India (SEBI), the Delhi Police said.
The arrests were made based on a complaint filed by Religare Enterprises arm Religare Finvest in December, when they alleged that the three had misappropriated funds of Religare Finvest to the tune of around ₹740 crore through loans to entities that were related to them or their associates.
Religare Finvest had also named N.K. Ghoshal, a long-time associate of promoters, along with directors of the promoter companies.
What strikes me about this sordid mess is what it reveals about the Singh brothers connection with their cousin, Gurinder Singh Dhillon, the guru of Radha Soami Satsang Beas.
Following the death of Malvinder and Shivinder's father, Dhillon is reported to have become a father figure to them, acting of both a trusted financial advisor and spiritual guide. Shivinder even had hopes of becoming the next RSSB guru and became a sevadar (volunteer) for the organization.
Well, that didn't work out very well for them.
Stories in the Indian financial press show that Dhillon and his family were the prime beneficiaries of the money that was fraudulently taken from companies controlled by the Singh brothers.
So the big question now is whether Indian authorities will continue their investigation into how the financial manipulations were orchestrated and who benefitted from the illegally gotten funds.
The RSSB guru and his family have been ordered to repay within 30 days up to $842 million that doesn't belong to them.
It's hard to believe, almost impossible, in fact, that Gurinder Singh Dhillon, his wife, and sons simply looked at hundreds of millions of dollars flowing into their bank accounts and didn't ask, "Gosh, how is this happening?" Almost certainly, they were willing participants in the financial fraud.
After all, Dhillon is supposed to be God in Human Form, a Perfect Living Master, who I've heard is fond of saying "my way or the highway." Yet in this case defenders of the guru are claiming that he was a passive recipient of vast amounts of money and had nothing to do with how it was obtained.
Yeah, right. I don't believe this. I suspect that Indian authorities don't believe it either.
UPDATE: The RSSB guru is claiming that he and his family don't owe any money to Religare. Well, as noted above, good luck with that argument. It'll be interesting to see if the High Court of Delhi buys it. The attorneys for RHC Holding, Singh brothers, and Daichi likely are already busy doing their best to refute that contention.
Probably Gurinder Singh Dhlllon had to take this step because he isn't able to repay what he and his family owe.
But the downside is that it puts a spotlight on the ultimate beneficiaries of the fraudulently-obtained money, and that could end up turning out badly for the Dhillons. Of course, it's impossible to predict how this Bollywood'ish drama will play out. Here's the Economic Times story.
NEW DELHI: Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB) head Gurinder Singh Dhillon and his family members Friday approached the Delhi High Court saying they do not owe any money to RHC Holdings Pvt Ltd, promoted by Malvinder and Shivinder Singh.
The Dhillons filed the application following the court's direction to deposit the amount due to RHC Holdings Pvt Ltd in connection with the execution of Rs 3,500-crore arbitral award won by Japanese pharma major Daiichi Sankyo against former promoters of Ranbaxy LaboratoriesNSE 5.63 %Malvinder and Shivinder Singh.
Dhillons told the court that RHC Holding has made false claims that they owe money to the company.
Justice J R Midha sought response of RHC Holding, Singh brothers and Daiichi on the plea of Dhillons.
The court, in its September order, said the amount which 55 garnishees, including Dhillon family, owe to RHC Holdings should be deposited with the Registrar General of the Delhi High Court within 30 days. A garnishee order is an order against a third party for the recovery of debt or dues.
ANOTHER UPDATE: Looks like there could be even worse news for the Dhillon family, or at least for so-far unindicted co-conspirators. I've boldfaced some pertinent passages in this The Tribune story.
Former Fortis promoters Malvinder, Shivinder sent to police custody
New Delhi, October 11
A Delhi court on Friday granted the police four-day custody of former Fortis Healthcare promoters Malvinder Singh, his brother Shivinder and three others, arrested for allegedly misappropriating funds of Religare Finvest Ltd (RFL), causing it losses of Rs 2,397 crore.
Chief Metropolitan Magistrate Deepak Sherawat allowed custodial interrogation of the five people who were arrested by the Economic Offences Wing (EOW) of Delhi Police.
Malvinder (46) was arrested on Friday morning, while Shivinder (44), Sunil Godhwani (58), the former chairman and managing director of Religare Enterprises Ltd (REL), Kavi Arora (48) and Anil Saxena, who occupied important positions in REL and RFL, were arrested on Thursday by the EOW for allegedly diverting the money and investing in other companies.
The police sought the custodial interrogation of the accused saying it was necessary as they were allegedly involved in diversion of public money which needs to be tracked.
It further said that a lot of people are involved in the alleged cheating and misappropriation of the fund.
The police sought their custodial interrogation saying the accused have to be confronted with other officials to ascertain the role of co-conspirators and said that the money trail was to be found in the case which was at an initial stage of probe.
The counsel representing the accused opposed the Delhi police plea and said their custody was not required as the evidence is documentary.
The counsel for Malvinder said in the court that he has joined the probe and answered all the questions for which his custody was not required.
Malvinder told the court that he has given an affidavit before the high court saying the money was not with him.
Malvinder opposed the police plea claiming that he was being made a soft target, however, his brother Shivinder, representing himself, did not oppose the plea.
Shivinder told the court that he was himself a victim and was ready to help and cooperate in the investigation.
RFL is a subsidiary of the REL. Malvinder and Shivinder were earlier the promoters of REL.
The police had said that a look out circular (LOC) had been issued against Malvinder as he was absconding.
He was detained on the intervening night of Thursday and Friday in Ludhiana and was formally arrested on Friday morning after he was brought here by the EOW team, Additional Commissioner of Police (EOW) O P Mishra earlier told reporters.
The EOW had registered an FIR in March after it received a complaint from Manpreet Singh Suri of the RFL against Shivinder, Godhwani and others alleging that loans were taken by them while managing the firm but the money was invested in other companies.
According to the police, the complainant stated that the four had absolute control on REL and its subsidiaries.
“They put RFL in poor financial condition by disbursing loans to companies having no financial standing and being controlled by them. The companies to which loans were disbursed willfully defaulted in repayments and caused a loss to RFL to the tune of Rs 2,397 crore,” Mishra alleged. PTI
Here's a Bar & Bench story that contains the High Court order. It appears to be an enforcement of a May order against the same 55 garnishee parties, with the difference being that now they have to pay up within 30 days and provide a detailed description of all of their assets and income.
Brian what I don’t believe is this....
I don’t believe all these articles planted in the media. For anyone who lives in India you will know how easy it is to influence Indian media. 1 article planted and it’s a domino effect and suddenly you start to believe graphs showing flow of money which is bogus.
Read the reports by sebi to see how the money has actually ONLY flowed into the accounts of the brothers.
Posted by: Anon | October 11, 2019 at 10:59 AM
Nabbed in Punjab
Shiv and Mal
In jail
Send the bill on
To Gurinder Dhillon
For a bill ion
Posted by: Mike England | October 11, 2019 at 12:06 PM
Haynes Park expansion plans...
https://haynespark.co.uk/
Posted by: 123abc | October 11, 2019 at 12:24 PM
Anon, the great thing about the High Court of Delhi proceedings is that soon we'll know whether the Indian financial press has been correct in reporting that the Dhillon family got lots of money from Religare.
The Dhillon family attorneys will be arguing they don't have to pay back any money. Attorneys for Religare, Daichi, and the Singh brothers will be arguing they do have to pay back money. The High Court will decide which argument wins.
I'll accept whatever the High Court decides. Can you say the same? I hope so, because the rule of law is all important in every democratic society.
Posted by: Brian Hines | October 11, 2019 at 12:48 PM
Hi Anon
Two points.
First, can you please send a link to the September court order?
We would all like to read the details you have referred to.
Secondly, you mentioned the SEBI audit.
The SEBI audit demonstrated the flow of unsecured loans obtained fraudulently directly to related third party companies...
https://www.sebi.gov.in/enforcement/orders/oct-2018/order-in-the-matter-of-fortis-healthcare-limited_40755.html
These companies made unsecured loans to Gurinder et al...
https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/fortis-fraud-may-exceed-rs-2-000-crore-says-sfio-1550522937932.html
https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/fortis-fraud-may-exceed-rs-2-000-crore-says-sfio-1550522937932.html
Both RHC, in their EOW complaint which resulted from their own audit, and Malvinder, provided the court with paperwork evidence these loans went to Gurinder et al. Upon examination of this evidence, the court chose to hold Gurinder et al directly responsible for the repayment of their delinquent loans.
Furthermore, Livemint, business today and others conducted their own independent audits also demonstrating that Gurinder et al received thousands of crore in unsecured loans.
https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/fortis-fraud-may-exceed-rs-2-000-crore-says-sfio-1550522937932.html
Now, let's do a little addition, shall we?
From the above...
207 crore to Dhillon family (sons Gurkirat and Gurpreet)
287 crore to both Godhwani and the Dhillon family (Godhwani, Dhillon's chosen leader to help the Singhs, and his own family),
223 crore to the Dhillon family
152 crore to the Dhillon family
Total.... Hold on let me get out my HP 12C calculator.....
869 crore... Before interest...
And you can read in the article published on the RSSB website which also tells you that some of Gurinder's holdings have already been held by investors when he could not repay them.
https://www.rssb.org/news26.html
After having been ordered by the court directly in June to repay, and in fact being delinquent in response, Gurinder is too late.
https://m.businesstoday.in/lite/story/delhi-hc-orders-recovery-from-rssb-chief-gurinder-dhillon-wife-and-sons-to-pay-singh-brothers-due-to-daiichi/1/354797.html
He should have handled this in June. His advisors falsely told him that Malvinder, Shivinder and Sunhil would take the fall.
There is no evidence that Gurinder masterminded the fraud.
But there is a mountain of paper documenting the loans to Gurinder et al. The loans that have never been paid.
Therefore his claim is completely unsupported. And he waited too long to make it. He is already delinquent in repayment to the court for June's garneshee orders. His credibility as a cooperative suspect has been undermined by his own unwillingness to work with the high court.
The only avenue available to him is the one avenue he has failed to take... And that is to take responsibility for the loans as over-leveraged financial choices that didn't work, and to provide a long term plan that will include liquidating some of his assets, including some of the Satsang centers in prime real estate locations throughout the world.
He can successfully claim there is no evidence that he masterminded or encouraged the fraud.
But he cannot escape the mountain of evidence that he accepted the thousands of crore in loans he had not repaid.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 11, 2019 at 12:52 PM
Hi Brian Ji
Shivender, Malvinder and Sunhil are all Satsangis who were devoted to their Master.
That Baba Ji would not step in to help his disciples by assuming responsibility for all this is disappointing.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 11, 2019 at 01:07 PM
But Baba Ji, we are offering to help you.
At some point someone has to say, "forget right and wrong, what can I do to help shoulder this burden."
It's unfortunate that this isn't what Baba Ji has done.
But you don't have to be a Guru to step in, do the right thing, and offer to help.
So, Baba Ji, how can we help you pay your bills, and how can we help you fulfill your duty to your disciples?
Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 11, 2019 at 01:10 PM
There is a lot of bogus media reporting in the world. I don't get the feeling that this is an example of that. This comes off as a job well done.
RSSB is hated by certain Sikhs, but overall doesn't have a bad reputation around India. Were this all made up to smear Gurinder I'd expect the more sectarian angle so prevalent in Punjabi media over the years. Some of these stories over the past couple years were written by south Indians who certainly don't have a dog in the fight.
Posted by: Jesse | October 11, 2019 at 01:28 PM
"So, Baba Ji, how can we help you pay your bills, and how can we help you fulfill your duty to your disciples?"
This is so pathetic. Do you try to help any other corporate criminals pay their bills?
Help someone who needs and deserves it instead of virtue signaling on this blog about how devout you are to a man you've never met.
Posted by: Jesse | October 11, 2019 at 02:47 PM
Hi Jesse
You wrote
"This is so pathetic. Do you try to help any other corporate criminals pay their bills?"
Many talented surgeons have their history.
If we prevented all the flawed people on earth from doing their jobs the world would come to a halt. There would be no Emergency Medicine, no surgery, to life - saving drugs.
Were just found to have to help each other, flaws and all.
Your knowledge of the human condition and the necessities of survival are appallingly ignorant.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 11, 2019 at 03:20 PM
This third world justice system is strange, if this had happened in US the properties would have been confiscated and auctioned to pay back the money.
Posted by: Vinny | October 11, 2019 at 04:15 PM
Surgeon or person who steals close to a billion dollars and recites from holy books on a stage.
Both are similar services to humanity. Makes sense to value them both equally.
You're totally not mentally ill.
Posted by: Jesse | October 11, 2019 at 04:38 PM
Spence says
“Shivender, Malvinder and Sunhil are all Satsangis who were devoted to their Master.
That Baba Ji would not step in to help his disciples by assuming responsibility for all this is disappointing.”
Spence when your child repeatedly doesn’t listen to your advise, does The exact opposite of what you say, cheats, lies and hurts others including you and then when he gets into trouble pins The blame on you and accuses you of malicious things you didn’t do like a death threat. If that child is asked to pay for his wrong actions let me know if you would step in and assume responsibility. Even if you did do that it would teach him nothing. And that would be the real disappointment.
Posted by: Vijay | October 11, 2019 at 05:05 PM
Look, Jesse, let me try to be transparent.
A famous cardiologist as it turns out, is found taking two salaries from two hospitals they both have privileges at.
A brilliant surgeon schedules cases simultaneously at two separate locations, only to cancel half of them just for convenience, depending upon where they are..
And as a result the predictable medical errors... But if course that surgeon never thought normal human limitations applies to them...
With these oxen we shall plow.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 11, 2019 at 06:37 PM
"I am penniless"
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/malvinder-shivinder-singh-religare-enterprises-limited-radha-saomi-satsang-beas-rssb-6065107/
coming full circle
https://www.dailypioneer.com/2019/columnists/coming-full-circle.html
Tip: to get the latest news articles, google "gurinder singh dhillon" then go to settings, advanced search, last update, 24 hours. You'll find a lot of things that Google's news feed misses
Posted by: j | October 11, 2019 at 07:10 PM
Oh that makes sense, Spence. Totally.
Let me be transparent, too. 2 guys go on a shopping trip, but only one spends money. Somehow a fish jumps into his suitcase on his return trip and customs agents attempt to charge him for importing food items. As his wife waits in the airport parking lot, she falls in love with another man and moves to Ohio, where the sun always shines. 3 months into her affair the husband decides to move to Ohio as well. But chickens don't eat dirt.
With 3 Mercedes we shall aspire.
I say all that in full transparency. Totally logical metaphor, that I hope you follow.
Posted by: Jesse | October 11, 2019 at 07:39 PM
Typically Malvinder was absconding yet he is the main perpetrator, Police had to send out an LOC to find him. Shivinder isn't hiding behind any lawyers and represents himself and is willing to cooperate.
Seems most here enjoy the idea that Malvinder is the hard done by poor defenseless plaintiff yet it was his driving ambitious zeal that put Ranbaxy into the critical condition it found itself after Daiichi bought it having not realized that the pharmaceuticals they were selling to USA and international market were subject to FDA rejection through substandard to specification.
If Daiichi hadn't sought recompense through arbitration trial and won their case against Malvinders REL probably none of the subsequent fallout would have transpired, unfortunately karma is a bitch and what goes around tends to come around.
Posted by: Whodunit | October 11, 2019 at 10:29 PM
Almost two years after the initial Bloomberg article unveiled the financial skullduggery of the Singh Brothers, GSD and his Team, and alerted SEBI to wrongdoings, which they subsequently started to investigate, we seem to be approaching a thrilling climax to this whole sordid affair.
Whilst GSD’s followers continue to defy logic, from my completely impartial perspective, I think it is only a matter of time now until a) GSD fails to comply with the HC’s order to lodge funds with them re Daiichi (if he had the money, he’d have settled up a long time ago) and b) Is implicated in the theft of funds from Religare. If GSD wasn’t involved in the misappropriation of those funds, why would the Singh brothers randomly transfer vast amounts of Religare’s funds to GSD?
“Let justice be done though the heavens fall”
Posted by: JS | October 11, 2019 at 10:38 PM
One of the two - lender or receipient seems lying among the great grand family which most of us revere as Guru ghar.
Its pathetic and bitter.
He is cool and calm and oblivious of the mal-developments surrounding Him is performing Satsangs etc by His usual self and vigour applauding the honesty. values and fine print of Santmat handed over to Him by His predecessors responsibly and closely to His sangat.
Posted by: Meditator | October 12, 2019 at 07:03 AM
Hi Jesse
Sorry. Look, people are imperfect. People who do great things often have great flaws. That's why we need to help each other. To simply decry wrong doing and stop someone from basically functioning in their work, won't work, since we all have feet off clay. But what helps us become stronger, what inspires is to do good?
Our inspiration often comes from people who need help or who, despite their good, are also doing bad. I witness this all the time on my work, and within myself. The examples I gave are of two real people.
So the fact that Baba Ji has a gambling addiction and a circle of sycophants enabling it, does not take away from the teachings or his effectiveness in inspiring us to meditate. And this meditation, as many forms of exercising the attention, is very healthy, understood and practiced appropriately.
Therefore the obligation is on us to help bring the plain truth to light, and then help Baba Ji get back on the right track.
You are not a Satsangi. So you can rightly say that you don't have such an obligation. But those of us on the path do, and we are unable to walk away, nor do we want to. We want to fix the problem. That can only be done on a platform free of superstition and magical thinking. And that is why Brian Ji and those here who see through they problems, but also understand what was once loving and helpful, are compelled and more responsible to pull back the layers of illusion, remove the cancer, and then help the healing process.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 12, 2019 at 07:26 AM
Hi Vijay
You asked
"Spence when your child repeatedly doesn’t listen to your advise, does The exact opposite of what you say, cheats, lies and hurts others including you and then when he gets into trouble pins The blame on you and accuses you of malicious things you didn’t do like a death threat. If that child is asked to pay for his wrong actions let me know if you would step in and assume responsibility."
This is the question weighing on Charan Singh today.
" BusinessToday.In has documented the flow of money from the Singh brothers to entities owned and controlled by Gurinder Singh Dhillon -- the head of the Radha Soami Satsang Beas. ROC filings and terms sheets say between 2011 and 2014, Rs 1,107.5 crore from the Rs 9,576 crore sale proceeds of Ranbaxy to Daiichi Sankyo was paid through RHC group firms RHC Holding Private Limited, Oscar Investment Limited, RHC Finance Private Limited and Fortis Healthcare Holdings Private Limited into two group entities ANR Securities Private Limited and Ranchem Private Limited. Singh brothers' dues from these 55 entities now add up to Rs 6,373 crore."
https://m.businesstoday.in/story/pay-up-singh-brothers-dues-in-30-days-delhi-hc-tells-rssb-chief-dhillon-wife-ex-religare-chief-godhwani/1/383617.html
Of course Charan has already decreed the answer. We need to acknowledge the facts, and then, yes, work together to pay the debt.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 12, 2019 at 08:43 AM
This Malvinder guy may be the most brilliant criminal of all time.
He's stolen over 800 million dollars and has it tucked away somewhere, no one knows where exactly, but he's somehow falsely convinced others that he's now "penniless" and that the missing millions went to Dhillon family members. Babaji has patiently put up with this bogus story for years, but just recently he felt obliged to report to the Indian court that he and his family members haven't received a single errant rupee.
Since Babaji's testimony is beyond reproach, it seems that Malvinder has somehow pulled off a brilliant scheme where he falsified all the pertinent financial documents of this case, bamboozling 3rd party legal experts into handing out court decrees that point to the Dhillons as the recipients of the embezzled crores.
I think everyone has to agree that Malinder's scheme is truly brilliant. By falsely putting all the blame on his Guru and completely destroying his reputation with his family and the Sangat, Malvinder has thrown everyone off the trail of the missing money. The final stages of his plot are simple: After spending a few years in prison, Malvinder will be freed and will dig up the crores from wherever he happened to have buried them on along the banks of the Beas river.
Some reading this will find it far fetched, but apart from some of the details, is there really any other possibility for what happened to the missing money? There's never been a case where Gurus have lied about anything, let alone used their power and position to encourage their followers to enrich themselves and their family members.
Posted by: j | October 12, 2019 at 09:51 AM
Babaji, Malv and Shivi all have business/financial backgrounds. Myself, who knows nearly nothing about money and business, do know 2 things I learned as part of practical life wisdom: 1. If you wish to keep your family and friends don't mix money with them; and 2. Never hire someone you can't fire.
What were they thinking, particularly Babaji who is at the helm of santmat? Who is here to teach and model for all of us to live as water fouls in muddy ponds yet fly away with dry wings. Why is he even close to this mess? Shouldn't he have stayed at least an arms length away?
Here they are now in courts trying to prove Malv did vs Shivi did vs Dhillons did! Only the involved individuals know the actual facts. However, it is a lose/lose/lose situation for all. Even if Dhillons can escape, the name will remain stained as people will question the fairness of Indian courts and Babaji's clout.
A penniless man has nothing to lose, yet he maybe telling the truth. If he feels, he is doomed anyway, he will try to drag everyone into the mud whole because he is going there anyway. Why not have some familiar company!
My question again is why is he picking the Dhillons to take with him?
Posted by: Di | October 12, 2019 at 01:17 PM
Malv is not picking the dhillons, it was them that were on the other side of the financial transactions.
but a good lawyer will throw out his testimony as unreliable as he himself is guilty of fraud - so how reliable is his testimony
nobody would have got caught if the singh brothers had not got into financial trouble and then the loyalty and trust between them and the guru became zero because it was each for himself.
as long as it was working for both, it worked. but once the singh brothers lost their money, they had nothing to lose by exposing the guru
Posted by: RSSB is FINISHED | October 12, 2019 at 04:13 PM
J you wrote
“This Malvinder guy may be the most brilliant criminal of all time.
He's stolen over 800 million dollars and has it tucked away somewhere, no one knows where exactly, but he's somehow falsely convinced others that he's now "penniless" and that the missing millions went to Dhillon family members. Babaji has patiently put up with this bogus story for years, but just recently he felt obliged to report to the Indian court that he and his family members haven't received a single errant rupee.”
Finally someone else seeing how Malvinder has orchestrated this whole scheme. His lawyer is known in India to
Be one of the most scrupulous lawyers out there.(surprise surprise)
Hats off to Babaji for patiently putting up with this all this time especially when both bogus stories of the death threats came out. By the way, the filmmakers story is totally false too. It’s all a scheme to divert attention and tarnish an image.
Further you wrote
“Some reading this will find it far fetched, but apart from some of the details, is there really any other possibility for what happened to the missing money? There's never been a case where Gurus have lied about anything, let alone used their power and position to encourage their followers to enrich themselves and their family members.”
The missing money is hidden offshore somewhere.
“I am penniless” is a big joke!!!!!
Posted by: Anon | October 12, 2019 at 04:27 PM
Obviously Malvinder isn't penniless. He's a criminal and he has more money than anyone could ever need hidden all over the place.
His riches don't absolve Gurinder who as we all know wrote a letter to these cousins attempting them to force them to put in writing that he wasn't responsible for whatever crimes they'd committed. But if your baba is so innocent, why was he accepting money he knew was coming from illegitimate sources?
Were he honest in the beginning he wouldn't have accepted the stolen goods.
Posted by: Jesse | October 12, 2019 at 06:36 PM
Hey J: Dreaming about another guru sharing the same mud pit as Gurinder are ya? "Everyone else is doing it?" Fantasizing about some false equivalency to feel better about the current situation? If there's another guruji who also allegedly participated in unethical "syphoning" of funds, we await the reporting about this complete with court cases and headlines! If and when it exists, no doubt everyone here will devote as much attention to that scandal as the current one with Mr. GSD. Let the case be made, not in fantasy land, but here in the real world. Meanwhile and here on terra firma we're just gonna have to patiently wait and see how the court rules. Gurinder totally innocent? Dhillon family assets to be seized? Woah, Malvinder, brilliant mastermind evil genius? Malvinder, soft target and innocent victim? Time will tell and not long to wait!
Posted by: Go Jolly | October 12, 2019 at 06:56 PM
j
You have put forward a strong narrative that would explain that the Baba has zero involvement in this finance scamdal.
There are events to support this, such as, Shiv becoming devout and leaving the business.
The Baba writing the “family letter”
Mal claiming death threats.
I’ve itchy feet waiting for the punchline to this. Roll on the 26th.
How funny it would be if Anon and Georgy Porgy were right all along.
😵😱
Posted by: Mike England | October 13, 2019 at 01:34 AM
This third world justice system is strange, if this had happened in US the properties would have been confiscated and auctioned to pay back the money.
Posted by: Vinny | October 11, 2019 at 04:15 PM
Really Vinny!!!! Let's hear it from you what happens in third world justice system. Will make it easy for you - 100 words on just the Indian justice system ok.
Posted by: Winny_pooh | October 13, 2019 at 03:42 AM
This is the question weighing on Charan Singh today.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 12, 2019 at 08:43 AM
Am sure you learnt of this from that radiant form of Charan, the one that carries you through that region mahasunn. Right Spency
Posted by: slave_of_GSD | October 13, 2019 at 04:04 AM
His riches don't absolve Gurinder who as we all know wrote a letter to these cousins attempting them to force them to put in writing that he wasn't responsible for whatever crimes they'd committed.
Posted by: Jesse | October 12, 2019 at 06:36 PM
Jesse,
I am not aware. So it can't be "as we all know". So first define the set "we" and two for all in here (past, present and future) to know kindly share that letter
Posted by: Donald Crumb | October 13, 2019 at 04:23 AM
j
You have put forward a strong narrative that would explain that the Baba has zero involvement in this finance scamdal.
There are events to support this, such as, Shiv becoming devout and leaving the business.
The Baba writing the “family letter”
Mal claiming death threats.
I’ve itchy feet waiting for the punchline to this. Roll on the 26th.
How funny it would be if Anon and Georgy Porgy were right all along.
😵😱
Posted by: Mike England | October 13, 2019 at 01:34 AM
So if they turn out to be right will you be happy for them or worried about the rest in here?
Posted by: slave_of_GSD | October 13, 2019 at 08:03 AM
His riches don't absolve Gurinder who as we all know wrote a letter to these cousins attempting them to force them to put in writing that he wasn't responsible for whatever crimes they'd committed.
Posted by: Jesse | October 12, 2019 at 06:36 PM
Jesse,
I am not aware. So it can't be "as we all know". So first define the set "we" and two for all in here (past, present and future) to know kindly share that letter
Posted by: Donald Crumb | October 13, 2019 at 04:23 AM
Knock knock is Jesse here?
Posted by: Donald Crumb | October 14, 2019 at 09:53 PM
"There's never been a case where Gurus have lied about anything, let alone used their power and position to encourage their followers to enrich themselves and their family members."
Posted by: j | October 12, 2019 at 09:51 AM
@j:
1. Please define "Gurus"; do you mean RSSB gurus only or something else?
2. There have been many things that have been said by GSD and/or happened for the first time in RSSB under the leadership of GSD which could be considered radically different from the traditional RSSB philosophy. For example: no guru ever sold a charitable hospital to a corporate house.
So, IMO, anything is possible. What do you think?
Posted by: Avi | October 16, 2019 at 04:26 PM
Hi slave _of_GSD
You wrote
"Am sure you learnt of this from that radiant form of Charan, the one that carries you through that region mahasunn. Right Spency"
The one that carries me through THIS region.
This is the tough one. That one's a piece of cake.
Posted by: Spence Tepper | October 16, 2019 at 08:15 PM
Some can never ever stand on their own anywhere!
Posted by: slave_of_GSD | October 16, 2019 at 09:46 PM
For those with respect and regard to what in U.S. Federal Courts they term i.e. as Due Process:
https://www.businesstoday.in/current/corporate/daiichi-case-delhi-hc-orders-rssb-chief-dhillon--family-singh-brothers-ghodhwanis-present-court/story/384999.html
(November 14th, 2019, an event yet still twenty-seven days beyond my own human comprehension. Salaam)
Posted by: Karim W. Rahmaan | October 18, 2019 at 03:53 PM
For those with respect and regard to what constitutes living by ones own standards, and practicing what they preach, Gurinder Singh Dhillon is guilty already.
Why do we need to go through this every time, "Karim?" The US Court system is not the moral authority of the world, and humans are free to have opinions or to ascribe innocence or guilt based on their own standards, and contrary to any court's decision.
(Gurinder Singh was guilty 20 years ago when he he first called himself God through a labyrinth of implications and publications. Shalom)
Posted by: Jesse | October 18, 2019 at 06:52 PM