A few days ago, in a blog post I shared a report of what Gurinder Singh Dhillon, the guru of Radha Soami Satsang Beas who has been accused of financial fraud and death threats, said in a talk in Petaluma, California recently.
This is part of what I was told:
A woman asked at the end of her questions, "Will you pay for your nephews 5 million" (something like that, I don't have a reference for that and I may not have heard clearly.)
Baba Ji [the guru] said (as I heard it) "I have some money from my parents and have not taken anything else from anyone." Then he said my life is open (or something like that).
If Dhillon actually said that he has not taken any money from anyone but his parents, and I haven't seen anyone deny this who was at his Petaluma talk, then the RSSB guru lied to his devotees.
There's plenty of evidence to support this, as I shared in a comment where I replied to someone who said she believed what Dhillon said.
Nancy, to put it bluntly, Gurinder Singh Dhillon lied at the Petaluma bhandara. He definitely has gotten money from sources other than his parents. Lots of it. Here's some links that prove me right, and the RSSB guru wrong. You're very trusting. Also, gullible.
Here's part of the truth about how Dhillon got so much money.
If anyone needs more convincing that the RSSB guru lied, read this June 11, 2019 Medical Dialogues story
New Delhi: Bringing in a third party, the Delhi High Court has directed Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB) chief Gurinder Singh Dhillon and his family along with other 56 entities to pay the recovery amount owed by Malvinder Mohan Singh and Shivinder Mohan Singh (Singh Brothers) to Japanese firm Daiichi Sankyo. According to a recent media report, the court has also ordered to recover the dues from ex Religare chief Sunil Godhwani and brother Sanjay Godhwani, besides, RSSB chief and the Dhillon family including wife Shabnam Dhillon, sons Gurkirat and Gurpreet and daughter-in-law Nayan Tara Dhillon.
The order comes following Malvinder Singh compliance that he can only reimburse $500 million (Rs 3472 crore) arbitration order against them, provided he can recover the money owed to him by RSSB chief and family. Medical Dialogues had earlier reported that the long dispute between the former Fortis Healthcare Ltd promoters, Malvinder Singh and Shivinder Singh had turned dramatic with allegations one after the other. Elder brother Malvinder Singh had alleged that parts of the proceeds from the stake sale in Ranbaxy Laboratories Ltd were used by the spiritual head of Radha Soami Satsang Beas, Gurinder Singh Dhillon to purchase real estate.
Also Read: Malvinder Singh alleges spiritual guru invested Ranbaxy stake sale proceeds to buy real estate
The court is reportedly issuing ‘garnishee orders’ against several Dhillon and RSSB associates’ companies, including Prius Real Estate, Addon Realty, Payne Realtors SGGD Projects, Luminous Holding. A garnishee order is an order against a third party to recover money to settle a debt or dues. Garnishee order prevents these entities from alienating any assets. The dues will now be paid to Delhi high court instead of Singh brothers and their entities to whom it is owed.
With the present order issued on June 10, the court has increased the scope of people from whom the money owed by Singh brothers to Daiichi can be recovered to honour the arbitration award.
According to a report in Business Today, Daiichi has enforced an arbitration order in Singapore that directed the Singh brothers to shell out Daiichi $500 million towards alleged non-disclosure of crucial information during the sale of Ranbaxy Laboratories to Daiichi in 2008.
The flow of money from Singh brothers to entities were owned and controlled by RSSB chief, his family and associates. RoC filings and terms sheets say in a span of four years, Rs 1107.5 crore from the Rs 9,576 crore sale proceeds of Ranbaxy to Daiichi Sankyo was paid through RHC group firms RHC Holding Private Limited, Oscar Investment Limited, RHC Finance Private Limited and FHL into two group entities ANR Securities Private Limited and Ranchem Private Limited.
Afterwards, this money was transferred to Prius Real Estate Private Limited controlled by Dhillon family associates and RSSB functionaries through optionally convertible debentures (OCD). The money invested in other Prius group entities called Prius Commercial, Payne Realtors, SVIIT Software and Sharan Hospitality whose preference shares worth Rs 875.53 crore were subscribed to by Prius Real Estate. Both the OCDs and preference shares were to be redeemed between August-November, 2018 at a hefty premium, reports Business Today.
Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB) is an organization dedicated to a process of inner development under the guidance of a spiritual teacher.
Osho Robbins wrote:
That is not how I see it.
This is how I see it:
Posted by: Chris | August 12, 2019 at 05:31 AM
"Guru is only a guide" LOL that is f'ing rich. He's a guy who sits on a stage repeating some of the most inane spiritual cliches imaginable.
To say he guides people is more absurd than claims to magical powers. We can verify quite easily that he guides nobody. There's no chance anyone in India can even ask him a question as you did or receive guidance of any kind. Unless he specifically said he guides his disciples who reside in foreign and wealthy countries.
And while he speaks the words "i have no powers" he still prints books that say the guru actually does have powers, but he's not allowed to say he has powers. So really this is all a game.
I can't believe you buy this stuff still. It's so sad and such an insult to present this charlatan's words as having been updated or to be more humble and honest. It's the same as it ever was.
Posted by: Jesse | August 12, 2019 at 10:41 AM
@Chris
>> Yes he did. He himself decided to act as guru. > He definitely played that game. I can provide evidence if you require it.
Again I am not aware of it. I like him but I don’t consider him my “Guru.”
>> But he became furious and then went into a sulk of silence for two days when someone called his bluff
I can believe this. He was very feisty and had quite a temper. He used to get angry and throw people out of his room. He wanted people to drop all their fairy tales and fancy stories. If people used to keep asking him about their “stupid theories" he used to start shouting ‘Kalpana Kalpana Kalpana Kalpana” (Kalpana = imagination) and will stop answering their questions.
>>He encouraged people to print books of his translated teachings.
Yes he did and I am glad he did. This is how I could read his fantastic teachings 😊
>> And successors have appeared after his death, just as he appeared after the death of his guru.
Yes people like Ramesh Balsekar (another guy I admire very much) and others regard him as their Guru but he did not appoint any successor or start a gaddi as such.
The people who were influenced by him regard him as his “Guru”
They use the word “Guru” more as a guide and not in the sant mat type of perfect-living-master and god-in-human-form Guru.
Posted by: Daljit | August 12, 2019 at 07:48 PM
To Daljit.
Balsekar used his position of successor to Niz to profit financially and to abuse followers sexually. Read just one of many accounts about it here: http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/ramesh_balsekar.html
Niz himself said some apparently insightful things, sure. But so did Balsekar. So did Rajneesh. So did Sai Baba of Puttarpathi, etc., etc.
And Niz justified eating meat and believed that and his severe nicotine habit did him “no harm”. The reality was that at the end of his life it caused him great suffering and was the primary cause of his death from throat cancer. I think a lesson can be drawn from that. If a person can not even understand life on its most basic mundane level, what reliance can be placed upon their perspective of the transmundane?
Niz had a craving and a desire to the extent of it being a full-blown addiction.
Believers try to seperate that from Niz by making an intellectual distinction between what he experienced as the primal-Self and his mind-body. But isn't that all conceptual projection? Isn't that an artificial intellectual distinction to protect an object of belief in a cherished authority and ironically has become a vehicle for the self-preservation of I-ness which we have made it serve?
Niz lost his composure AND his peace of mind when a westerner Alaxander Smit confronted him for the contradiction of saying he was a nobody while posing as a spiritual authority and 'realised' human and as an example of "perfection".
Niz taught: “This is the role of the realised people — to set an example of perfection for others to admire and love”.
I tell all this with nothing to attack and nothing to defend.
Just trying to see things as they are without projection.
Without filters. Without belief systems needing protection.
Nothing is broken. Nothing to mend.
Things just are as they are.
But I do have an expectation.
And that is that an 'enlightened’ person is not controlled by their emotions, or desires, or conditioning.
My definition of 'enlightened' is someone not at the mercy of their physicality,
nor driven by their psychology.
Very simply, my expectation of enlightenment is saintliness:
An enlightened person will be saintly with all that entails.
If they do not have control of themselves, their moods, their desires, their physical urges, etc., then that is not enlightenment in my book.
If they are more concerned with themselves and their own interests than those around them, then however much they are in the now, or aware of the Self, or whatever, they are not what I consider to be enlightened. Enlightened must reflect in action not just words. Walking the walk, not just learning the talk like Ramesh Balsekar. People can have all kinds of shifts of consciousness, and have all kinds of profound insights. But if they are still behaving like randy adolescents let loose in a paradise of unbridled self-centred hedonism like Rajneesh and Adi Da did, then that is NOT enlightenment. That is just exaltation of heightened egocentricity with perverted wisdom, style and charisma.
If someone [Niz] loses it because someone else told them to shut up, and then went into a strop for two days, until they received a 12 page letter telling them they are still the dude, then what kind of 'nobody' is that?
I prefer ideals of enlightenment like JC on the cross saying 'forgive them Father for they know not what they do'.
Like Guru Amar Das when he was kicked off the gaddi while delivering satsang by his Guru's son, massaging his feet saying that his old bones must have caused his guru's son's toes pain. Etc., etc.
Posted by: Chris | August 13, 2019 at 03:08 AM
>> Balsekar used his position of successor to Niz > Niz himself said some apparently insightful things, sure. But so did Balsekar. So did Rajneesh. So did Sai Baba of Puttarpathi, etc., etc. > Niz lost his composure AND his peace of mind
Yes. He often used to get angry at people. I still like his insights. I manage to keep his temper separate from his insights 😊
Don’t get so worked up dude.
l read a lot and like to learn from other’s insights without accepting them as my “Guru” God in human form and perfect living master and someone who will come when I die.
I like the story where Guru Gobind Singh accepted his disciples as His Guru. The Guru became the disciple and disciple became the Guru.
It’s a great message. In the end there is no distinction between Guru and disciple. Both are ONEmand this is the ultimate truth. Ekonkar Satnam!!
Posted by: Daljit | August 13, 2019 at 06:20 AM