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August 29, 2019


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Reading this..one can imagine that every single ''being''has their very own path of life or ''dream''..Nobody dreams life the same..,everybody has totaly different insights and experiences..
Life of every person is soo so so unique..
Unbelievable unique..
It's miraculous..wonder..
In fact.

Muslims sometimes do "see" Jesus. Perhaps not many, but some.

Another contrarian comment: Virtually all of us on this forum did not come from an RS cultural background. Yet we became enthralled with RS and its gurus. Was this not a "mystical" experience? Or if not mystical, our devotion to RS resists explanation as a product/projection of cultural upbringing.

Hi Brian. I found a comment left by Osho on Spencer's blog (Atheistnbeliever). I hope Osho doesn't mind me relaying it here. It was in response to what Dungeness had posted and his comments on it. Sometimes we need beliefs, and in our day to day lives, we function this way to survive. But we have been conditioned to living like this and sometimes fail to ask the necessary questions, to question our beliefs.

For example, I hear sounds like the flute, conch, buzzing, or sounds of horses galloping. I see the jyot (flame), or colored clouds/mist when I meditate. Now this is all interesting and, quite frankly pleasing and enjoyable. But beyond that, I don't attribute this to anything. I'm initiated by Gurinder Singh and followed Sant Mat since I was old enough to remember.

But I question everything. I do research and read books not related to Sant Mat. I want the alternative evaluation/critique/argument. Some of the reading I've done tells me it might be brain generated. It might be through vibrations internally when meditating that certain frequencies intermingle and get amplified which then excites part of the brain to "image" or project an experience. Not sure that's accurate or not either.

I really don't know what any of this really means. Do I really need to care what it means? I'm getting to the point that I keep an open mind and accept all arguments. These are all theories after all. I let things happen as they happen and enjoy it regardless, whether spiritually or in day to day life. Not always easy trying to take the bad things like the good, but in the end, there is no good or bad.

By the way, I had these "inner experiences" much earlier than being initiated and continue to have them. So it wasn't via the RSSB meditation that these started happening. I don't see orbs or magical scenes. great if you can, but what's the point in analyzing these or anything for that matter? We have no proof that these experiences will happen as they are happening now when the brain begins to shut down upon our death. Maybe the brain, under meditative practices, goes through a death sequence and mingles our memories in with it to create a "story" for us. Who knows definitively?

Here's what Osho wrote in response to Dungeness' comments:

"These are all beliefs:
1. Beliefs shouldn't run our life.
2. The pursuit of truth should.
3. The mystic would argue we don't know what reality is because we don't look inside.
4. We should look inside to find it, not outside.
5. We expect it to be treacherous outside.
6. The exit ramp is via consciousness itself.
7. The way out is in.

definition of a belief:

An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
Do you KNOW (have proof) that the above statements are true?
If you do, please explain HOW
if you don't, then it is a belief
beliefs held strongly appear to be fact - but are not"
Posted by: Osho Robbins | 12/26/2018 at 05:27 AM

...apologies for the long post folks!

Brian, congrats on your new book release. Can’t wait to read it.

I’ve been thinking a lot lately about Communism as it relates to the CCP and have recognized several similarities between RSSB and CCP. China might be a tad more enlightened, though.

Again, congratulations. It’s going to be a fun and thought provoking read... I have no doubt.

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