Comments on Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)TypePad2019-07-10T03:01:55ZBrian Hineshttps://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2019/07/open-thread-22-free-speech-for-comments/comments/atom.xml/7***. - commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4a423ce200d2019-08-25T23:17:11Z2019-08-26T05:52:56Z7***. - @Curious. refered to this lying newspaperIndia with: """ The criminal complaint alleges that the 43-year-old Shivinder “initiated” as well as...<p>@Curious. refered to this lying newspaperIndia with:</p>
<p><br />
""" The criminal complaint alleges that the 43-year-old Shivinder “initiated” as well as “permitted this siphoning and malfeasance of funds entrusted to him with the ulterior motive of gaining ultimate control of the seat of the spiritual head of the Radha Soami Satsang Beas,” promised to him by Dhillon. The spiritual sect, founded almost 130 years ago and based on a commune in north India, boasts four million followers worldwide.</p>
<p>Malvinder, 46, claims the acquisitions of six debt-ridden companies by his brother were misrepresented as beneficial to the family’s holding company when in fact they had no value. Efforts to write off the guru’s debts to these companies are further eroding the value of the holding company, RHC Holding Pvt., according to the complaint. """</p>
<p>Me:<br />
First, as I said earlier<br />
If one tries to sell God for monies, he devaluates the "Godship" to Zero and less<br />
with such an offer<br />
The price then should be Zero rupees and less</p>
<p>Second <br />
Please read what Phil from the UK wrote and confirmed<br />
His Grandfather gave Gurinder 10 Million $ without any condition</p>
<p>and he ( me too) thinks that that money went apart from Nepal (after a quake)<br />
mainly was lend to the fantastic idea of Mohan,<br />
to make money and help millions/later billions with cheap drugs</p>
<p>We are guessing that the verbal agreement was to pay it back with half the profits</p>
<p>Malvinder, the one who ressembles Charan accepted this</p>
<p>There is no penny of karma here, Only a Giant Good Karma<br />
for helping a billion people against big pharma usurpers</p>
<p>Guru Granth/<br />
"Countless the Usurpurers and those that steal"</p>
<p>Those who repeat that the Gaddi would be for sale are morons, idiotes, ignoramous & fools !!!</p>
<p><br />
777</p>777+++. commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a47aeafb200c2019-08-25T21:09:37Z2019-08-26T05:52:56Z777+++. @all If you are in Purusha's STATE, wouldn't it be fun to appear as a human in All Your Glory...<p>@all</p>
<p>If you are in Purusha's STATE,</p>
<p>wouldn't it be fun to appear as a human<br />
in All Your Glory</p>
<p>777</p>777 - ThYou Porgy - commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c8a1b5200b2019-08-25T13:03:45Z2019-08-25T13:03:45Z777 - ThYou Porgy -Babaji when asked states that nobody is ever enlightened because he would no longer be alive. Posted by: OshoRobbins |...<p>Babaji when asked states that nobody is ever enlightened because he would no longer be alive.<br />
Posted by: OshoRobbins | August 24, 2019 at 08:07 AM</p>
<p>me:<br />
Out of contexts bullshitt</p>
<p>It would by definition prevent the Almighty to be incarnated in a perfect way</p>
<p>The same error is being the only error in Guru Granth <br />
"By the Grace of The All Pervading Purusha . . . . non Incarnated"</p>
<p>That should be INCARNATED</p>
<p><br />
777</p>
<p>BTW<br />
God is NOT enlightened, His IQ is Zero<br />
Angels & Powers have 9^9^9<br />
God knows only LOVE</p>7 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a47a7bff200c2019-08-24T18:43:56Z2019-08-25T05:37:23Z7Ha ha , . . You can't<p>Ha ha , . . You can't</p>anami commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a47a76ac200c2019-08-24T17:18:18Z2019-08-25T05:37:23Zanami7-- Let's solve the equation x²=2 for x... x²=2 √x²=√2 x=√2 x = the square root of 2<p>7--</p>
<p>Let's solve the equation x²=2 for x...</p>
<p>x²=2<br />
√x²=√2<br />
x=√2</p>
<p>x = the square root of 2<br />
</p>7° commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4a39cdb200d2019-08-24T16:06:02Z2019-08-24T16:33:44Z7°@Oqho Pls could U give us a complete precise overview of the happening also from the previous day Because after...<p>@Oqho<br />
Pls could U give us a complete precise overview of the happening<br />
also from the previous day</p>
<p>Because after so much narrative I still ask myself<br />
Did U record on Friday but nothing on your device</p>
<p>On saturday you tried again but were placed on a non-acoustic area<br />
next the sevadars saw you were recording / adjustic the mike or so<br />
next took yr device<br />
next U left in the middle of Gurinders talk</p>
<p><br />
All this is unclear and the narrative is only to your advantage</p>
<p>Pls be honest</p>
<p>7°</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4a39b49200d2019-08-24T15:57:16Z2019-08-24T16:33:44Z777I have no injury. Only a pair of broken glasses. My nose hurt for a day but was okay the...<p>I have no injury. Only a pair of broken glasses. My nose hurt for a day but was okay the next day. Nobody else was hurt. It’s a minor incident. I don’t bear any grudge against any of the six sevadars.<br />
Posted by: OshoRobbins | August 24, 2019 at 05:2</p>
<p>me:</p>
<p>Being initiated by Charan ( I guess) this was<br />
only 1/50. of Osho's deserved bad karma</p>
<p>Win-Win Situation 4U and what rests could have been meditated 'off'<br />
BTW: This is only true 4those who believe it!</p>
<p>777<br />
</p>777° commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4a39916200d2019-08-24T15:29:22Z2019-08-24T16:33:44Z777°Correction , =correct Which one would ascend to Sach Khand ( Huzur asked the audience ) N° A without any...<p>Correction , =correct<br />
Which one would ascend to Sach Khand ( Huzur asked the audience )<br />
N° A without any doubt</p>
<p><br />
777</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a47a5d20200c2019-08-24T11:23:48Z2019-08-24T16:33:45Z777#posted by A FAN """" Osho you say "Maharaj charan Singh said its best to stay away from satsang if...<p>#posted by A FAN</p>
<p>""""<br />
Osho you say "Maharaj charan Singh said its best to stay away from satsang if it deteriorates to this level.</p>
<p>I may well take his advice"</p>
<p>Had you really taken his advice back then there wouldn't have been any incidents between you and sevadars ever! """</p>
<p>me:<br />
Pls compare with Sawan's remark:<br />
Two friends decided to go Satsang <br />
Underway A decided to better go to the brothel but B continued</p>
<p>A, in the Brothel during sex constantly thought about how he missed Darshan<br />
B, sitting first row right before Huzur thought How pleasantly A might be sucked.</p>
<p>Then going home in the same car they both died in an accident</p>
<p>Which one would ascend to Sach Khand ( Huzur asked the audience )<br />
N° B without any doubt</p>
<p>I like the story / parabel because it is so clear and refers to Oshos workings</p>
<p>777</p>
<p>But ofcourse the winner is my sister C. who was bewitched by the Darshan when God Himself gazed to her during a split-second<br />
and She is still in the process of recovering of that lightning strike<br />
that happened<br />
after she had had 777 un-succesful meditations<br />
Now they are easily Thoughtless by Giant Love</p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a479a066200c2019-08-22T16:41:27Z2019-08-23T01:11:56ZArjuna @ 777 hello I get what you are writing but trust soolders today are a different breed. I am a...<p>@ 777 hello</p>
<p>I get what you are writing but trust soolders today are a different breed. </p>
<p>I am a civilian now.</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4799aba200c2019-08-22T15:51:55Z2019-08-23T01:11:56Z777Another chosen one First he had more public than Obama Then he wanted the Nobel Price Next he added it-self...<p>Another chosen one</p>
<p>First he had more public than Obama<br />
Then he wanted the Nobel Price<br />
Next he added it-self to Mount Rushmore<br />
on Greenland. :-)<br />
Now it is Chosen One<br />
the Messiah </p>
<p>What a difference<br />
but so nice to see where ego goes</p>
<p><br />
777</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4796a9b200c2019-08-22T05:38:22Z2019-08-22T05:38:22ZJesse"when opponents came to capture Him, they saw He was attending to meditation in the middle of battleground, they all...<p>"when opponents came to capture Him, they saw He was attending to meditation in the middle of battleground,<br />
they all got flabbergasted and sat aside Him awaiting for Him coming back to the senses and talk to them."</p>
<p>Added to my long list documenting things that never happened.</p>One Initiated commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c74085200b2019-08-22T04:52:34Z2019-08-22T05:12:36ZOne Initiatedhttps://profile.typepad.com/oneinitiated777 wrote: "Somebody knows what X is?" 😀😀😀 Loved it totally !! Wow, 777, Arjuna, For those who didn't get...<p>777 wrote: "Somebody knows what X is?" </p>
<p>😀😀😀 Loved it totally !!</p>
<p><br />
Wow, 777, Arjuna,</p>
<p>For those who didn't get the complete context, it's about the Soldier Saint: Jaimal Singh Ji,<br />
when opponents came to capture Him, they saw He was attending to meditation in the middle of battleground, <br />
they all got flabbergasted and sat aside Him awaiting for Him coming back to the senses and talk to them.</p>
<p>HE was a soldier saint (soami Ji dedicated a verse to Him as well mentioning "Sant Sipahi")<br />
Arjuna you are a soldier disciple.</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4a286d7200d2019-08-22T02:53:42Z2019-08-22T02:53:42Z777@Osho It's not easy 4me but I ask excuse 4too much nagging Before All we are spiritual brothers with the...<p>@Osho<br />
It's not easy 4me but I ask excuse 4too much nagging<br />
Before All we are spiritual brothers with the same Father Charan and I cannot say<br />
that my ego wouldn't burst under your circumstances during years<br />
See U in Satch Khand ( a non_time_space_Love _continuum )<br />
:-)</p>
<p>777</p>77 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4793def200c2019-08-21T20:09:48Z2019-08-21T20:09:48Z77@Sweet Arjuna I wonder : When actual forces find a meditating soldier in the field like Jaimal Singh MaharaJI without...<p>@Sweet Arjuna</p>
<p>I wonder : When actual forces find a meditating soldier in the field<br />
like Jaimal Singh MaharaJI without permission did ( LOL )</p>
<p>Will troops still have Darshan </p>
<p>77<br />
</p>7 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4793cb8200c2019-08-21T20:02:42Z2019-08-21T20:02:42Z7@LOL & Arjuna https://www.kravmagaexpertsmarseille.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjw1_PqBRBIEiwA71rmtXujkVVvnxNTEQVAIqm8DN8gYHaDZ8071dNxxWiUz84Sf-G7WuJNbBoCM80QAvD_BwE 7 Serendipities are much stronger - LOL. <3<p>@LOL & Arjuna</p>
<p><a href="https://www.kravmagaexpertsmarseille.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjw1_PqBRBIEiwA71rmtXujkVVvnxNTEQVAIqm8DN8gYHaDZ8071dNxxWiUz84Sf-G7WuJNbBoCM80QAvD_BwE" rel="nofollow">https://www.kravmagaexpertsmarseille.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjw1_PqBRBIEiwA71rmtXujkVVvnxNTEQVAIqm8DN8gYHaDZ8071dNxxWiUz84Sf-G7WuJNbBoCM80QAvD_BwE</a></p>
<p>7</p>
<p>Serendipities are much stronger - LOL. <3</p>7 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4793ab1200c2019-08-21T19:26:34Z2019-08-21T20:07:30Z7Nobody with a rational mind can possibly justify that action. This is premeditated, unprovoked assault. Posted by: OshoRobbins | August...<p>Nobody with a rational mind can possibly justify that action.<br />
This is premeditated, unprovoked assault.<br />
Posted by: OshoRobbins | August 21, 2019 at 11:35 AM</p>
<p>You are a provocateur kind of terrorist who last year also<br />
made havoc there ( or was it 2 years)</p>
<p>I trust next time the strip U naked in search of your 4 extra recording devices<br />
MI6. might be of help to U to wire U</p>
<p>You are the Amritsar Sikhs versus Sawan incarnated<br />
and although young , . . already a nasty old man!</p>
<p>So far from the independent free chapter</p>
<p>7</p>7 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c704e8200b2019-08-21T17:10:45Z2019-08-21T20:07:31Z7- x²=2 Somebody knows what X is? 7 -<p>-</p>
<p><br />
x²=2 </p>
<p>Somebody knows what X is?</p>
<p>7</p>
<p><br />
-<br />
</p>77 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4791834200c2019-08-21T13:36:28Z2019-08-21T13:36:28Z77Osho wrote The police were already onsite the first day when my phone stolen. The police classify it as theft....<p>Osho wrote<br />
The police were already onsite the first day when my phone stolen. The police classify it as theft.<br />
The second day, I did file it with the police immediately after it happened. </p>
<p><br />
Isn't it against the law to discuss an ongoing<br />
juridical procedure? - Disn't your lawyers tell you?</p>
<p>________________________</p>
<p>When I first came here<br />
You and Mike Williams were the major agitators<br />
apart from David Lane and Brian himself</p>
<p>and now you write :</p>
<p>""" Babaji said to me the Sunday before<br />
“Everything happens in hukam” <br />
Nothing happens outside of the will. <br />
So I fully accepted it as it was happening. """</p>
<p>Congratulations Osho<br />
It's quite a difference!</p>
<p>7<br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4a210de200d2019-08-21T02:28:11Z2019-08-21T02:28:11ZJesse"Wait a minute. You can carpet bomb but you can't shelter? " No, you shouldn't carpet bomb people, but if...<p>"Wait a minute. You can carpet bomb but you can't shelter? "</p>
<p>No, you shouldn't carpet bomb people, but if you do that, you shouldn't also add insult to injury by displacing entire populations, which is also considered genocide by the UN. </p>
<p>By definition, you support genocide. Ouch. Don't do that.</p>Amar commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c6bfef200b2019-08-21T02:22:04Z2019-08-21T02:22:04ZAmarJesse, yes, have to wait for Osho to spell out how the events unfolded. As for the other stuff, it's...<p>Jesse, yes, have to wait for Osho to spell out how the events unfolded. As for the other stuff, it's working it's way through the courts and as time goes on, at least for me, the less and less I'm interested in all this.</p>
<p>As you wrote, like a soap opera. Bigger and better things to experience in the world than worrying about what someone sitting on a stage is saying, let alone anything else surrounding it.</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a478e404200c2019-08-21T01:24:47Z2019-08-21T01:24:47ZSpence Tepper Hi Jesse You wrote "after we carpet bomb your people into dust and destroy your life, we're showing our supreme...<p>Hi Jesse<br />
You wrote<br />
"after we carpet bomb your people into dust and destroy your life, we're showing our supreme compassion by forcing you out of your lands and into the USA where you'll be used as political pawns by our mostly foreign occupied government."</p>
<p>Wait a minute. You can carpet bomb but you can't shelter? </p>
<p>Something wrong there.. <br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c6b3fe200b2019-08-20T23:53:28Z2019-08-21T00:25:04ZJesse"Maybe he borrowed someone's phone? Possible isn't it?" Or he just waited to call until he got his phone back....<p>"Maybe he borrowed someone's phone? Possible isn't it?"</p>
<p>Or he just waited to call until he got his phone back. The whole order of events is unclear cause he wrote a bit erratically in a series of posts. </p>
<p>I'm more interested in this story than I am the financial stuff for now. Who needs television or soap operas when we have violent sevadar scandals.</p>Amar commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c6ae70200b2019-08-20T22:36:01Z2019-08-21T00:25:04ZAmar777, he was already outside of the satsang. Maybe he borrowed someone's phone? Possible isn't it?<p>777, he was already outside of the satsang. Maybe he borrowed someone's phone? Possible isn't it?</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c6ada3200b2019-08-20T22:08:39Z2019-08-21T00:25:04Z777""". I don't buy this. Osho phones the police because they withold his phone. """" Without a phone, . ....<p>""". I don't buy this. Osho phones the police because they withold his phone. """"</p>
<p>Without a phone, . . you phoned. ..... ???</p>
<p>How can we believe <br />
your other statemenets</p>
<p>Did U ever ask a question during Q&A. ???<br />
and Brian , did U check that ?</p>
<p>77</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a478d51d200c2019-08-20T21:58:18Z2019-08-21T00:25:04Z777Especially to rogue sevadars like you've alleged. Like Arjuna said. First one goes down, another one steps up, but the...<p>Especially to rogue sevadars like you've alleged. Like Arjuna said. First one goes down, another one steps up, but the other 2 or 3 will back off.</p>
<p>But Osho is around 70 guys</p>
<p><br />
7</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a478b5f1200c2019-08-20T15:47:50Z2019-08-20T16:31:45ZChy"The sun comes up and people bump into each other begging to know where the sun is" :::-)))) By Spence...<p>"The sun comes up and people bump into each other begging to know where the sun is"<br />
:::-))))<br />
By Spence the philosopher...</p>
<p>Like the blind leading the blind theory...</p>
<p>To 777 and whoever.<br />
Yes that meditation you have 10 minutes or an hour when the spirit pulls is wonderful.<br />
Very good to hear you are doing that...<br />
Me..I am not going into breath meditation...just quiet but I like to learn different theories on how the mind works during meditation...darkness gets a tad boring to say the least...imagination is much more interesting my neptunian friend..<br />
Chy<br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4a1d3ab200d2019-08-20T14:21:45Z2019-08-20T16:31:45ZJesse"Compassion is the force that drives this creation. The compassion to open all the centers to refugees. Do you really...<p>"Compassion is the force that drives this creation.<br />
The compassion to open all the centers to refugees.<br />
Do you really think God does not have even that much compassion? "</p>
<p>LOL are you an extremely heavy drinker and/or drug user? I don't even know if this is about real refugees (who don't need "centers" but they need your personal home to feel safe in mr compassion) but you've talked about wanting to import people to start a war in USA before so I guess it is. </p>
<p>"after we carpet bomb your people into dust and destroy your life, we're showing our supreme compassion by forcing you out of your lands and into the USA where you'll be used as political pawns by our mostly foreign occupied government. BECAUSE COMPASSION. A compassion so great that it'll utterly destroy you. DO NOT FORGET TO TELL ME HOW GOOD OF A PERSON I AM"</p>
<p>Creating refugees is evil enough, asking them to leave their home is double evil, using them as your brown shield for your essentially global communist agenda is getting near perfect evil, never once expressing concern for all the damage they do to locals takes it one step beyond perfect, but then being an absolute psychopath and calling this long list of unnecessary evils a godlike compassion is something only... some really amazing people could have the nerve to say.</p>
<p>The new rule is that killing everyone everywhere is a great act of compassion resembling God as long as you let the few survivors come and get used for political points after the slaughter. From now on we can call this endless global war The Spencian Way. </p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c66e81200b2019-08-20T09:51:55Z2019-08-20T16:31:45Z777@Chy Hadn't thought of that....well at this time when I meditate its when the spirit pulls me may sit 10...<p>@Chy<br />
Hadn't thought of that....well at this time when I meditate its when the spirit pulls me may sit 10 minutes maybe over an hour. May do simran because its grooved into me but often I draw a blank of emptiness and time passes.....</p>
<p>Simran Grooved ..... wow</p>
<p>What you not mentioned here is Love<br />
and it's the main thing</p>
<p>Seek it and it comes often from gratitude<br />
see if you have things to thank for<br />
that You exist<br />
take an old RS book where again he talks to you Sir<br />
before sitting : one paragraph ( They all said that ). When the hair roots start itching. . . . Go there<br />
Forget breath. forget vipasanna</p>
<p>Death will become extasy</p>
<p>777</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c66946200b2019-08-20T08:40:59Z2019-08-20T16:31:45ZChyHi Spence. I know what you mean about the folks sitting in the back and blazing like suns and yes...<p>Hi Spence.<br />
I know what you mean about the folks sitting in the back and blazing like suns and yes I agree about that and the money tied to spiritual wealths idea of todays world..in the world AND the sangats..<br />
Well many times Ive sat in the back....the front as well and tried hard for that "good seat"..waited for hours for it back in the days where you could "work" your desired seating....it has its pleasure but as time went on the back !! was very nice simple and accommodating. Maturity steps in not necessarily advancement just balance....and no im not an advanced soul..its truly hard to judge where anyone( is ) and all the games people play in todays world.<br />
Anyway the master Charan discussed the 6 month theory of the path I described. That was not my invention...<br />
Good thoughts Spence thanks for sharing.<br />
Chy</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4a1a590200d2019-08-20T03:21:45Z2019-08-20T16:31:45ZSpence TepperHi Chy You wrote "..I dont believe anyone has done that straight through for 6 months at all." It's quite...<p>Hi Chy<br />
You wrote<br />
"..I dont believe anyone has done that straight through for 6 months at all."</p>
<p>It's quite a revelation to read this. It seems to be a common experience. How do you know, Chy? Can we really judge others so harshly? </p>
<p>There are true Saints who sit at the back of the auditorium, and they are happy to share what they have. It's a matter of friendships formed with someone around the common love for God, not any human being. Love of the Master is a means to an end.</p>
<p>And so many false Gurus also. </p>
<p>People think blind obedience is Sant Mat when the Saints decried superstition and predjudice. Now in today's world money is the new religion, and we have a culture that admires wealth more than compassion. A culture in RSSB that thinks spiritual wealth and worldly wealth are one and the same, when they are actually polar opposites. </p>
<p>And that's why the advanced we overlook, they just seem like nobody to us. </p>
<p>The little Indian fat lady, we think is quaint. No one would think twice about her, let alone realize she is blazing brighter than ten thousand suns, God in the flesh, and ever deferring to her Master. </p>
<p>The sun comes up and people bump into each other begging to know where the sun is! </p>
<p><br />
</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c653db200b2019-08-20T03:07:05Z2019-08-20T16:31:45ZSpence TepperCompassion is the force that drives this creation. The compassion to open all the centers to refugees. Do you really...<p>Compassion is the force that drives this creation.<br />
The compassion to open all the centers to refugees. <br />
Do you really think God does not have even that much compassion? </p>
<p>God sets a mark no human being can achieve in their actions.</p>
<p>At best we can be humble, honest about our shortcomings, anxious to harm as little as possible. We worship God but do not pretend to know how to do it right. </p>
<p>"Life is a foreign language. We all mispronounce it. "<br />
Christopher Morely</p>
<p><br />
Yes, that much I expect from a real teacher of compassion. </p>
<p>I have no interest in less. <br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c61e3d200b2019-08-19T16:49:23Z2019-08-20T02:48:07Z777Osho wrote """ I am the supreme Being or Sat Purush, and I have come in his human body to...<p>Osho wrote<br />
""" I am the supreme Being or Sat Purush, and I have come in his human body to take you back’ <br />
then I would report that.”</p>
<p>But can you name and quote any of the previous four Beas Gurus saying anything like that? """</p>
<p>me:<br />
They ALL. said that about their predecessor/Master, . . ALL MYSTICS</p>
<p><br />
777</p>
<p>I believe Bullah Shah was an exception<br />
HE shouted it from the roofs: I'm HIM<br />
Delicious is that!<br />
I<br />
and Jesus : "Before Abraham . . . . I AM""</p>Jen commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4772ebe200c2019-08-16T22:10:56Z2019-08-17T03:33:46ZJenThere is some kind of inner energy, call it what you may, which keeps us alive and some call it...<p>There is some kind of inner energy, call it what you may, which keeps us alive and some call it the Shabd. </p>
<p>There is also the mind which can be controlling and destructive to our own self and its called Kal. </p>
<p>At the same time there is an Awareness which we can use, observing our thoughts and actions. The trick or the saving grace is using this awareness to watch and be aware of our own personal energy, thoughts and actions and then while in the observer mode we can see and understand without judging. </p>
<p>Just watching the different patterns of thinking and watching my reactions can be quite calming and also uplifting and I prefer this practice to sitting meditation.</p>
<p>Maybe life can be a meditation. Now, I'm off for my morning walk which is the best meditation ever. <br />
Cheers :)<br />
</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4a0218f200d2019-08-16T13:05:39Z2019-08-17T03:33:46ZChyHi jen thank you for the Vipassana you tube..il dig into it today...sweet woman.. Chy<p>Hi jen<br />
thank you for the Vipassana you tube..il dig into it today...sweet woman..<br />
Chy</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4a01e3e200d2019-08-16T12:12:16Z2019-08-17T03:33:47Z777Osho - GSD - ‘Please, let’s be clear. I cannot erase your karmas, I cannot do anything for you’ -...<p>Osho - GSD - ‘Please, let’s be clear. I cannot erase your karmas, I cannot do anything for you’ - Best wishes<br />
Posted by: Tim Rimmer | August 14, 2019 at 01:19 PM</p>
<p>me:<br />
His Master can . . . if not Charan s Master? if not Jaimal >>> Tulsi etc<br />
us: Just find the LOVE, to start with Compassion</p>
<p>Compassion is the Motor of Creation . . . always . . . even of cruel evolution<br />
it applies to every quark in the universes . . . </p>
<p>777</p>
<p>so simple, <br />
above discussions<br />
above sects, religions<br />
just look around, if yr help is needed . . . send a cent<br />
avoid doing harm, . . always</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c4b818200b2019-08-16T03:44:03Z2019-08-16T03:44:03ZChy@Jesse. Your blog synopsis of my 44 years initiated... Well the 44 years combined in meditations with all the things...<p>@Jesse.<br />
Your blog synopsis of my 44 years initiated...<br />
Well the 44 years combined in meditations with all the things other styles ive done...but still allowing RS to exist in my life does not mean Ive wasted it all...perhaps theres a savings account somewhere....god after all this there should be. Thanks to you my account is secured. <br />
Now then it needs to be according to m. Charan 6 months straight that you never !miss !that meditation..not even for 1 day thats the key to this.....I dont believe anyone has done that straight through for 6 months at all.<br />
Your idea of building it up over time hahaha ( your mind works a bit like mine at times) cumulative sittings...all the sincere efforts should by now have me in sach khand...well thats another valid approach that may be the answer.<br />
Theres always an answer for everything in RS...so it takes years longer but you can make it that way as well...<br />
So its been 44 years of initiation and im still here in pinda so dear Jesse I need more time but its coming...or perhaps my karmas are blocking me from knowing how far ive achieved but when I die Ill get my reward.<br />
Now tongue in cheek here yet in all sincerity as well...<br />
As far as what meditations the gurus did...that would be interesting to be able to observe first hand...<br />
But..... of course the (answer ) for that if it needed to be covered would be at the stage of mastership there is no need for meditation because masters are at one and in full awareness all the time no need for meditation. Meditation is designed for seekers of light and truth.<br />
So there you have it .perhaps they dont meditate.<br />
Its not easy to figure all this out....<br />
Chy<br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a476d126200c2019-08-16T02:23:14Z2019-08-16T02:23:14ZJesse777, I just said I prefer some authors over other authors. Your response was "this is not true." Can you...<p>777, I just said I prefer some authors over other authors.</p>
<p>Your response was "this is not true."</p>
<p>Can you tell me why you believe I don't prefer Hafiz over the supposed revelations written in the Quran? Because I'm almost certain I prefer Hafiz.</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c4af4b200b2019-08-16T01:46:41Z2019-08-16T01:46:41Z777This is not true. . . . . . . In other words, i find the Qur'an and GGSJ to...<p>This is not true. . . . . . . <br />
In other words, i find the Qur'an and GGSJ to be inferior to the writings of "saints" inspired by the foundational books.<br />
Posted by: Jesse | August 15, 2019 at 01:50 PM</p>
<p>777</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a476cd3e200c2019-08-16T01:29:54Z2019-08-16T01:29:54ZJesse"No in 44 years I have never done all the things he said ...straight for 6 months no slips at...<p>"No in 44 years I have never done all the things he said ...straight for 6 months no slips at all.."</p>
<p>Then the meditation's promises have failed you because you were told that your "skill" at sitting there imagining a man in a turban over time would improve more and more. After 44 years of dedication, the failings should have been overcome by virtue of the number of sincere attempts. </p>
<p> It's also said by some that Gurinder didn't even do meditation much yet he became the supposed buddha via bloodline, so you really just didn't have the right super jat genes.. I have a feeling that Charan wasn't much of a meditator either. He never had that presence about him. He seemed more like a coward to be honest. Like a clerical worker with no heart whatsoever. Look at those picture books of him just lazing about drinking tea as the masses toiled in pain building low quality structures for his fundraising. The guy was an ass.</p>
<p>And why is nobody questioning meditation itself? Who decided that sitting there is THE way? Many spiritual traditions that RS has no problem quote mining from certainly didn't take that stance. Sikhs don't believe it necessarily. Hindus don't. Prabhupad (PBUH) was of the opinion that meditation was for other "yugs" and that only chanting the holy names could get you "there."</p>
<p>Become Sufis or something. Go dance in circles chanting Allahu Akbar and forget this cheap religion of Agra. You've wasted 44 years already. Would you eat cardboard for that many years still thinking it would become chicken strips and steak?</p>Jen commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c4aa12200b2019-08-16T00:23:55Z2019-08-16T00:23:55ZJenHi Chy, re Vipassana, just looked up and found a TED talk about "Vipassana Meditation and Body Sensation"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixu4Kd5R1DI I...<p>Hi Chy, re Vipassana, just looked up and found a TED talk about "Vipassana Meditation and Body Sensation"... </p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixu4Kd5R1DI" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixu4Kd5R1DI</a></p>
<p>I do agree with having strong awareness and paying attention to one's own body and mind. I'm also extremely sensitive which some people call ESP and no flipping way could I sit in a room with a group of strangers and meditate 10 hours per day for 10 days!<br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49ff6cf200d2019-08-15T23:46:19Z2019-08-15T23:46:19ZJesseThis article was recommended to me by an algo. Confessions of a failed self help guru. Might be a good...<p>This article was recommended to me by an algo. Confessions of a failed self help guru. </p>
<p>Might be a good read for some here who've had a similar traumatic experience with thinking they know what they don't, and being rejected for it.</p>
<p><a href="https://getpocket.com/explore/item/confessions-of-a-failed-self-help-guru" rel="nofollow">https://getpocket.com/explore/item/confessions-of-a-failed-self-help-guru</a> </p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49ff1c8200d2019-08-15T22:32:19Z2019-08-15T22:32:19ZChy@777 Your blogs to me on serendipities... Interesting observation you got out of my request for a website address...but I...<p>@777<br />
Your blogs to me on serendipities...<br />
Interesting observation you got out of my request for a website address...but I will observe your observation...<br />
Hadnt thought of that....well at this time when I meditate its when the spirit pulls me may sit 10 minutes maybe over an hour. May do simran because its grooved into me but often I draw a blank of emptiness and time passes......I dont go to groups or join anything anymore...I can and have gotton into various things usually to outgrow them quickly. Never had anyone move me like m. Charan did in my spirit so I am on the fringes here but have moved into different awarenesses. For example I dont attend satsang but grew up in RS so at a young age and for years I DID often 3 times a week.......until a shift came along and I stopped loving the group thing became disillusioned with situations over time ...now I just read and do my own thing enjoy this blog group free thinkers and folks trying to get it all together kuddos to this group!!</p>
<p>M.Charan said again...years ago...he may have quoted the great master I dont remember.</p>
<p>If a satsangi strictly ! follows the vows and sits 21/2 hours a day at a time...never misses not 1 day DO NOT SLIP AT ALL even if the quality is not so good just sit and do RS meditation for 6 months there WILL be huge success and go inside !! And open to the higher worlds.....!!</p>
<p>Sooooooo??? Only each person knows if they have done that can do it will lie and say it doesnt work or whatever....try it see if it works...but again with no expectations. I think a discipline focus is where hes coming from not so much a get from point A to point B...<br />
Aaaand there are so many realities and awarenesses we get anyway just with being on some path of growth...</p>
<p>No in 44 years I have never done all the things he said ...straight for 6 months no slips at all..</p>
<p>.simple he says but not easy...<br />
This path is simple but not easy.....</p>
<p>Now then serendipity...I need to pay more attention to that.!!! It does occur for me and sometimes I find that Im blocked from something and something better happens that I would have missed had I done the other thing..</p>
<p>I still want to get into Spences article on Vipassana...I am a very curious person and inquisitive on many things. I dont dive deeply into everything.<br />
Chy<br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49fef2c200d2019-08-15T21:43:51Z2019-08-15T21:43:51Z777. . wile the proctors ( kal etc ) are 100% un-aware 777 God cheats the proctors /rulers Like yaweh...<p>. . wile the proctors ( kal etc ) are 100% un-aware</p>
<p>777</p>
<p>God cheats the proctors /rulers Like yaweh /Brahm<br />
and Jehovih / ParaBrhm all the time</p>
<p>This is a super path</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49fef04200d2019-08-15T21:39:54Z2019-08-15T21:39:54Z777CHY In Rddb. a real sincere seeker receives from 1. to 25 serendipities per day It's God s sublime way...<p>CHY</p>
<p>In Rddb. a real sincere seeker<br />
receives from 1. to<br />
25 serendipities per day</p>
<p>It's God s sublime way to communicate<br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49fec6a200d2019-08-15T20:50:24Z2019-08-15T20:50:24ZJesseInteresting to read Bhai Gurdas on this site. I always felt about him the same way I feel about Hafiz...<p>Interesting to read Bhai Gurdas on this site. I always felt about him the same way I feel about Hafiz or Rumi. That is that while they remained so devout in their religion, I feel they were better representatives than the gurus and prophets they believed in.</p>
<p>In other words, i find the Qur'an and GGSJ to be inferior to the writings of "saints" inspired by the foundational books. </p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c49cb2200b2019-08-15T20:49:15Z2019-08-15T20:49:15Z777Aug 4 2019 11:44am... Your article web address on Vipassana meditation. Comes up as misinformed error page...I cant open it.......<p>Aug 4 2019 11:44am... Your article web address on<br />
Vipassana meditation.<br />
Comes up as misinformed error page...I cant open it....</p>
<p>This sometimes indicates that Vipassana is not 4U<br />
Called a serendipity ( for guidance )</p>
<p>@Manjit<br />
I m blushing when an evolved soul says that</p>
<p>777</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c4933b200b2019-08-15T19:27:17Z2019-08-15T19:27:17ZSpence TepperHi Manjit Thanks for the link. Very nice, very gentle and humble approach, generic. Jens says, each person's experience can...<p>Hi Manjit<br />
Thanks for the link. Very nice, very gentle and humble approach, generic.</p>
<p>Jens says, each person's experience can vary. <br />
He remarks that his internal experience is beyond the physical existence. He avoids going into detail. But he remarks that's natural for him. He says you become aware of the light and sound as it presents itself to you... Effected by your expectations. </p>
<p>Second, he says, is to know an existence beyond time, birth and death. He says it is a very concrete experience, though he also says he knows it sounds fantastical. He says this was an experience of permanence beyond anything here. His body and thoughts were connected not just to 'me'. And this inner being was a wonderful journey, and he was shown these things, brought to these things by a intelligent presence he says he is not aware of in detail. He says your normal boundaries of self, of I am, goes away, and we are not bound by those identities.</p>
<p>Jens says this intelligence on the inside has no labels, but it increased his awareness of what is.</p>
<p>He says he can't compare his light and sound experience, which he says is wonderful and great, with any other system.</p>
<p>He also says he can't say whether his past life regression experience outside of meditation was any more than his imagination, but he has had no such experience about reincarnation in his meditation and therfore has no view of it. </p>
<p>He says this inner being beyond birth, death, time, is his first stage. Then a second stage experience that there is a larger experience of self. And there is a third stage beyond this, Jens labels the ultimate, that is one thing everywhere, boundless, something else completely. There is no where you are not. All the prior experiences are limited. But here there are no edges, one thing everywhere, perfect as it is. He says it's ultimate. Afterwards you realize there is literally no where it is not. He says it's difficult to describe. </p>
<p>He is a meditation teacher. This is where he finds his practical purpose, to align the inner realizations with the outer activity. </p>
<p>Just because, he says, it feels good. Towards the end the interviewer asks him for advice to learn more. Www.Lightwavemeditation. Com, and an app, Insight timer app. Jens has a light and sound meditation group there. He charges nothing for the meditation. There can be individual and group meditation. </p>
<p>He wants to understand what people want from their meditation. </p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49fdf93200d2019-08-15T18:55:23Z2019-08-15T18:55:23ZChyOk...thank you Spence Chy<p>Ok...thank you Spence<br />
Chy</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49fdd66200d2019-08-15T18:35:22Z2019-08-15T18:35:22ZSpence TepperHi Chy Hey is the link again https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.473.4922%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&ved=2ahUKEwjanL_Q6OnjAhUSWN8KHQqLClYQFjALegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw1PAisjUFM0BnPOJg_-BOvd&cshid=1564942730901 What seems to work in Chrome is long press on the above,...<p>Hi Chy<br />
Hey is the link again</p>
<p> <a href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.473.4922%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&ved=2ahUKEwjanL_Q6OnjAhUSWN8KHQqLClYQFjALegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw1PAisjUFM0BnPOJg_-BOvd&cshid=1564942730901" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.473.4922%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&ved=2ahUKEwjanL_Q6OnjAhUSWN8KHQqLClYQFjALegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw1PAisjUFM0BnPOJg_-BOvd&cshid=1564942730901</a></p>
<p>What seems to work in Chrome is long press on the above, pop up menu choose open in new window, and then automatically, instead of a web page, a pop up asks if you would like to download the pdf. When I click yes, the article downloads.... It's from the journal of transpersonal psychology.</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c48e21200b2019-08-15T18:30:44Z2019-08-15T18:30:44ZSpence TepperHi Chy You wrote "Aug 4 2019 11:44am... Your article web address on Vipassana meditation. Comes up as misinformed error...<p>Hi Chy<br />
You wrote<br />
"Aug 4 2019 11:44am... Your article web address on</p>
<p>Vipassana meditation.</p>
<p>Comes up as misinformed error page...I cant open it....<br />
Maybe has been removed.?<br />
Dont worry about it if it turns into a project to get it ....I have known some satsangis who joined that because they were getting meditation results.....?"</p>
<p>The link, as I found out after posting, only works if you copy and paste into a browser. It's a pdf download of a research paper. <br />
</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49fdc5b200d2019-08-15T18:13:31Z2019-08-15T18:13:31ZSpence TepperHi Manjit You wrote "It doesn't matter how deep, how ecstatic, how "hyper-real", how conceptually convincing etc your experience is,...<p>Hi Manjit<br />
You wrote<br />
"It doesn't matter how deep, how ecstatic, how "hyper-real", how conceptually convincing etc your experience is, but if it's telling you some dude in a turban from the punjab is the soul saviour of souls in the entire multi-verse, you can be sure you are suffering from an acute case of delusional myth making well, well within the scope of "maya" or "kal"."</p>
<p>This is an odd statement after you just gave the beautiful story of Jat Dhanna, where the purity of his devotion won for him salvation, even though his understanding of what to worship was entirely ignorant. </p>
<p>777 is on the way, Manjit. He is devoted to the only God he knows.</p>
<p>This is why the true Sat Gurus sit in the back of the audience. Their devotion has resulted in the opening up of inner realms and experiences.</p>
<p>It's about focus of attention on things that are not harmful, practicing intense devotion, experiencing bliss, which is experienced as passionate love, and that conditions us for more. </p>
<p>No one needs to worry about the accuracy of their thinking or devotion, because all focused thinking, if paired to an open mind, takes us above our limited conditioning. </p>
<p>Maharaji said it will, 'from quantity of effort in meditation, comes quality.'</p>
<p>The only issue is whether the object of your focus is actually harming themselves or others. That is a note series concern, since that is what we end up defending, if we make that the focus of our devotion. </p>
<p>So, to paraphrase Christ, God wants us to worship in Spirit and in objective Truth... That's the beautiful and resounding Shabd within, and objective Truth.</p>
<p>And even re Shabd, it is the main highway. Everyone is taken there when their focus is reasonably decent. And off target focus on any thing higher also, still takes you into the sea that will pull you to that highway of the Holy Word of God in time. </p>
<p>It's built into the human body. </p>
<p>And it may be entirely physiological. But what astounding discoveries are there to be found! </p>
<p><br />
</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49fd860200d2019-08-15T17:43:37Z2019-08-15T17:43:37ZChyTo Manjit and whoever... That was a very long dissertation you just gave and Im sitting here and read it....<p>To Manjit and whoever...<br />
That was a very long dissertation you just gave and Im sitting here and read it.<br />
From my opinion and again im in pinda writing this...and pinda daily hah!</p>
<p>You have moved ahead of the romantic guruuy status of the new satsangi...you are going deeper into the teachings of various saints and digging up things that are after one completes RS 101.</p>
<p>When we can be aware of that shift RS is viewed in the way its simply presented basic satsang and 4 vows...but a deeper place is opened up...this causes anger and frustration sometimes....just keep shifting your gears...my opinion youre doing quite well...<br />
That is what came to me to say in this particular blog. It is not any kind of comparison to the rest of you...</p>
<p>I am not recalling this next part entirely as it slips my mind over time but ill share what i remember to the best i can.<br />
M. Charan said...that our relationships with satsangis and for satsang and the like are to be of a spiritual nature and we should be helpers and best buddies to our peers along the path.<br />
Being in BUSINESS or doing BUSINESS with a satsangi is not always good or honest and we cant judge the business side of the person by their satsang presence and knowledge of the books etc. he she may handle business entirely different than satsang conduct. We must seperate the 2 relationships.<br />
End of what he said...</p>
<p> Contradictions here...yes! but you decide for yourself. This is not my opinion...just passing what he said as closely as I remember.<br />
It should seem like...trying to analyze that he said:</p>
<p>Me now ...<br />
All are struggling souls trying for purity and karmas and situations with that person are not always in line with what we see perhaps in knowing that person....<br />
So perhaps our babaji has things to work on as well. I am not the judge...just another wandering soul.<br />
Theres been a lot of growth in the RS group globally since our dear M. Charan died...<br />
If it just makes many people a better person and get a good start then grow on their own as we all end up doing anyway then RS Is still better than other religions...less dogma no mandatory holidays or meetings preachers that dont know anything we have all you professors here to chat with and learn things .....it offers as yet much more for anyone that I can see than other ORGANIZED religions...if organized religion is what someone wants...<br />
Its not inexpensive to grow this movement this with all the centers either.<br />
A lot of the monies have no doubt gone to assist the growth....<br />
Chy<br />
</p>manjit commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c477d6200b2019-08-15T14:28:39Z2019-08-15T14:28:39ZmanjitIt's funny, but it's hard to be serious reading some of the comments on this blog, despite the real heart...<p>It's funny, but it's hard to be serious reading some of the comments on this blog, despite the real heart of the issues discussed being of fundamental importance. But, as Aurobindo said "To listen to some devout people, one would imagine that God never laughs; Heine was nearer the mark when he found in Him the divine Aristophanes. God's laughter is sometimes very coarse and unfit for polite ears; He is not satisfied with being Molière, He must needs also be Aristophanes and Rabelais."</p>
<p>Some of the recent comments specifically around the nature of the inner experiences mediated via the Radhasoami paradigm and disentangling them FROM the RS paradigm and/or specific personalities, such as Gurinder, I have found to be genuinely interesting & thought-provoking. It's imo a real shame that it is highly unlikely that there will be much honest & sincere unpacking of those ideas & experiences here due in no small part to the ridiculous "vow" of not disclosing your inner experiences (some "science" of the soul this is! :), amongst a few other factors.</p>
<p>As I see Chris has been posting here recently, and repeating the same old arguments that imo have been shown to be incoherent, confused & based on dogmatic beliefs years ago, and 777 recently wrote this: </p>
<p>"In short, all methods other than Love fall short love strong as when we were 14 and had a crush<br />
you cannot eat, cannot sleep That kind.........and sorry everybody nice bloggers , . . you can only produce that for a human not for a stone, a spirit, . . not even The Holy Spirit"</p>
<p>I was reminded of a previous debate I had with Chris which also addresses, I think, what is happening today with Gurus like Gurinder who turn out to be more human than their own dogma claims (you will note this is a form of hypocrisy & lack of integrity, claims which cannot be made of gurus like Nisargadatta for eating meat, getting apparently angry or smoking, or Osho for having rolex watches and rolls royces, because neither of these teachers claimed to have transcended the "five thieves", or claimed to be "Perfect Living Masters" or "Saints" etc. This is cognitive dissonance, religious belief, confusion etc, applying deeply in-built magical & mythical standards to teachers who never once claimed them, whilst excusing fraudulent behaviour in those gurus who DO claim these standards!!)</p>
<p>It is the story of Dhanna Bhagat, which translates into "the Pebble/Stone Saint". In this story, the absolute devotion of a simple man to a STONE secured for himself "unity with the Lord". Yes, a stone idol leads directly to God realisation according to the Guru Granth Sahib, and this is a very famous story in punjabi. Such subtleties of indian mysticism are left out of dogmatic schools like Radhasoami where they claim to have the unique technology and secrets to God realisation! Dhana Bhagat's "realisation" is confirmed by none other than Guru Arjan Dev the 5th Sikh guru and compiler of the Granth Sahib, and Bhai Gurdas:</p>
<p>"Listening to such happenings,<br />
the poor Jat Dhanna too in devotion engaged.<br />
The Lord to him manifested Himself--<br />
Such was Dhanna's good fortune. "<br />
Guru Arjan Dev, Sri Guru Granth Sahib, page 448</p>
<p>"Brahmin used to worship idols<br />
And Dhanna went out to graze cows;<br />
When Dhanna saw this all<br />
He put queries to Brahmin who said: '<br />
We who serves the Lord Gets fulfilled all desires of his heart;<br />
Dhanna made supplication to him:<br />
'Give me one (Idol) if it pleases thee<br />
Brahmin wrapped a stone in cloth<br />
And gave it to Dhanna to get rid of him,<br />
Dhanna first bathed the stone,<br />
Then offered food and butter-milk;<br />
He prayed with folded hands, and<br />
Prostrated to persuade it accept the offer;<br />
I will not eat a morsel-<br />
Food I relish not if Thou art annoyed.'<br />
God appeared before the Dhanna,<br />
Accepted the offering he made;<br />
Innocent love of Dhanna<br />
Thus united him into the Lord."<br />
Bhai Gurdas, Varan X.1.3</p>
<p><br />
I think this story serves as a lovely counter balance to those who claim, like Chris or 777, that you must discern the true and correct path and guru - who it seems in our current times must be a failed semi billionaire fraudster who made at least some of his money via unethical practices, with no personal history of mysticism we actually know about, whos goons make death threats to people, who claims to have transcended lust but likes to talk about topless women on beaches or the 69 sexual position with western satsangis in their 90s etc etc - or you will be limited in your spiritual "attainments".</p>
<p>They do not actually realise how BLESSED they are this story exists in the Granth Sahib and is authenticated by Arjan Singh.</p>
<p>Because it means EVEN THOUGH Charan rightly admitted he was just like a "stone idol" being worshipped by his satsangis, because it means EVEN THOUGH Gurinder probably doesn't have much knowledge of mysticism, let alone experience, and that he's a greedy fraudster who refuses to face up to his actions etc - that EVEN THOUGH this is the case, there is still hope, there is still hope.</p>
<p>But only for the genuine & sincere seekers. I think that is what this story about Dhanna Bhagat is hinting at.</p>
<p>Regarding radiant forms; meh. Yes, ultra realistic, ultra exhilarating, ultra beautiful etc. They can change into any form imaginable, and more. Lets not pretend it has anything to do with that fraudulent dude wearing a turban running the family business shall we? Perhaps then....just perhaps.....we can realise & understand what it REALLY is?</p>
<p>Regarding the actual sound/shabd absorbtion experiences, and how to interpret the narrative forms that appear within it, that is a really fascinating topic. I think the whole RS religion & dogma limits profoundly how that is experienced, and imo that is evidenced by people who think their "inner experiences" of the "radiant forms" of their physical masters is literally just that, so become trapped within incoherent & untenable belief systems (such as Gurinder could possibly be what the RS dogma defines a "Satguru" as), and unable to escape the limiting nature of concepts, beliefs, fairy-tale narratives or a variety of other "maya".</p>
<p>It doesn't matter how deep, how ecstatic, how "hyper-real", how conceptually convincing etc your experience is, but if it's telling you some dude in a turban from the punjab is the soul saviour of souls in the entire multi-verse, you can be sure you are suffering from an acute case of delusional myth making well, well within the scope of "maya" or "kal".</p>
<p>I've posted this link before to what I think is one of the better, more open and honest, non-dogmatic etc discussions of one persons personal experience with shabd absorption:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE4poA2AYFs" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE4poA2AYFs</a></p>
<p>Right, I gotta go!</p>anami commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49fbe48200d2019-08-15T12:46:58Z2019-08-15T12:46:58Zanami7- · "The proof is automatically transfer all worldly Love Songs to Your Master!" · "The quesste for our Soul...<p>7-<br />
· "The proof is automatically transfer all worldly Love Songs to Your Master!"<br />
· "The quesste for our Soul has become the same as the queeste for this planet"</p>
<p>Very helpful! Thank you.</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4768b8f200c2019-08-15T12:38:31Z2019-08-15T12:38:31ZChyHi Spence Aug 4 2019 11:44am... Your article web address on Vipassana meditation. Comes up as misinformed error page...I cant...<p>Hi Spence<br />
Aug 4 2019 11:44am... Your article web address on</p>
<p>Vipassana meditation.</p>
<p>Comes up as misinformed error page...I cant open it....<br />
Maybe has been removed.?<br />
Dont worry about it if it turns into a project to get it ....I have known some satsangis who joined that because they were getting meditation results.....?<br />
Chy</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4767167200c2019-08-15T04:02:56Z2019-08-15T04:02:56ZSpence Tepper What does it mean to find the One within yourself? "The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a...<p>What does it mean to find the One within yourself? </p>
<p>"The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field."<br />
Matthew (13:44)</p>
<p> <br />
Why did the man hide the treasure in the field? Was that honest? Should he have told the owner of the field? Was it fair to the owner to keep him or her ignorant of the treasure?</p>
<p>The man who found the treasure and hid it again appears to have bought the field at a price agreed to by the owner under the pretense that the field contained no treasure. By giving this illustration as a positive example, is Jesus promoting questionable behavior?</p>
<p>Why did the man choose to deceive the owner? Perhaps the man knew that even by selling all he had, he would not be able to afford the true price of the treasure. No one can. Why did he have to have it? As for the owner, who was he? Perhaps the owner was not deceived at all.</p>
<p>Consider what may have been lost through the oral tradition in this rendition of Jesus’ parable. Perhaps the original went a little something like this: </p>
<p>'The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a man’s own fields. The man had been away for so long he didn’t recognize his own home. Something inside the man brought him to this field and to the family treasure, his birthright, which the man, as a boy, had helped His father bury long ago. As soon as he uncovered the treasure he knew it was his, but did not understand why. So he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field from his father, whom he also didn’t recognize. His father was so happy to see his son’s return that he played along and sold him the field for trinkets. His father knew that his son was gradually remembering. One day his son realized that the field, the treasure and the father were all his to begin with. He ran through the fields up to the house he hadn’t seen in years. Now everything was clear, everything familiar. He ran into that house, his home, and embraced his father. All that mattered to his father was that day of reunion. This is what the kingdom of heaven is like.'</p>
<p><br />
Jesus’ parable has a simple allegorical explanation to today's Meditator: The man found this treasure in the field within himself. He gladly paid his debts to those around him, finished his duties, left his old life, and made his home that field, and the treasure the center of his new life.</p>
<p>To become One, of necessity, by its very definition, is to integrate with every part of who we are, to become whole.<br />
</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a475ee14200c2019-08-13T23:50:06Z2019-08-14T01:44:28ZChyHi Osho. Your Fish in water analogy.... This type of chat I dearly enjoy but is very difficult online as...<p>Hi Osho.<br />
Your Fish in water analogy....<br />
This type of chat I dearly enjoy but is very difficult online as the nuances are hard to get that the person expressing is trying to convey and so we just do our best.<br />
This infinity subject is so complex and the closest I can relate to it without getting lost is the pure energy currents that flow through all dimensions at differing frequencies. In those each independent of the other frequencies are infinite miles of vibration...we with our minds translate that to dimensions and those dimensions take forms in our mind...forms we categorize to fit particular dimensions to inform us of where we are and what is there means where one is vibrationally.<br />
The forms though are deceptive as they are different depending on each persons conditioning...they too are illusory of the purest state of awareness...god consciousness.<br />
In the deepest sense as we get higher frequencies due to raising above each levels consciousness we go to higher frequency.<br />
Thats where the vegetarian diet on THIS frequency comes in...to allow us to step up and the story goes on much more than what we read about dimensions in books.<br />
Until we get that highest frequency we can only as you say be aware of the present state...we reach a boundary and the awareness shows one the next level.<br />
Great fish analogy....<br />
Chy<br />
</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a475e586200c2019-08-13T22:13:13Z2019-08-14T01:44:28ZChyHi Spence. Im not able to go now to India or need to at the moment. What would be nice...<p>Hi Spence.<br />
Im not able to go now to India or need to at the moment.<br />
What would be nice is if the English satsangs and perhaps some other languages if they want provided videos recorded satsangs including unedited qustions answers discussions from all these many tours...for those who have attended to play back and for those who have not to be able to get online from the centers instead of always what someone said or heard he said...<br />
He soes not wish to do this and I think many people would like to hear his talks and replay them as desired.<br />
Seems like its all gotton deep in secrecy and only the people in the "inner circle" no doubt have some recordings that they do not pass out or may even say they have.<br />
Should be these recordings someway and many would feel better that hes participating in a different way than its been....share the talks and not 3rd 4th 5th hand passed down with usually negative understandings in these pass downs...<br />
Just a thought....<br />
Chy</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49f0765200d2019-08-13T19:27:04Z2019-08-13T20:55:10Z777The fish lives in water, can it SEE the water? The water is all around but the fish cannot SEE...<p>The fish lives in water, can it SEE the water?<br />
The water is all around but the fish cannot SEE it because to see the water, it has to get to the boundary, but it cannot. <br />
In the same way, you cannot see an infinite object, no matter how hard you meditate</p>
<p>Posted by: OshoRobbins | August 13, 2019 at 11:51 AM</p>
<p>False reasoning ( semi-circulair )<br />
Who knows about what senses a fish has?<br />
How about up and down quarks in superpositions in a fish and in meditation</p>
<p><br />
777</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49efd51200d2019-08-13T17:36:48Z2019-08-13T17:36:48ZSpence Tepper Chy If you want to hear from Baba Ji, if you need to, then why not plan and go?<p>Chy<br />
If you want to hear from Baba Ji, if you need to, then why not plan and go? </p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49efa08200d2019-08-13T17:16:28Z2019-08-13T20:55:10Z777Im not at the top yet!!! Darn my karmas keep me in this level.... Holding on to hopes and dreans...<p>Im not at the top yet!!! Darn my karmas keep me in this level....<br />
Holding on to hopes and dreans but nothing we know here is how it is in the end..<br />
Chy</p>
<p><br />
your description is beautiful, . . . little bit between the words, as is always the case<br />
at the non-describable</p>
<p>777</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c3ac30200b2019-08-13T17:14:43Z2019-08-13T20:55:10ZChyAgain somewhat to Spence but its open... The teachings focus the satsangi on if you dont see the radiant form...<p>Again somewhat to Spence but its open...<br />
The teachings focus the satsangi on if you dont see the radiant form before you die then probably but not always you will reincarnate and pick up another master and work at it again...4 lifetimes max....<br />
You know the story.<br />
Now then I received a letter in the 80s signed bu M charan singh that <br />
The 4 lifetimes are THE 4 STAGES WITHIN...not NECESSARILY 4 human births.....<br />
The letter I no longer have....<br />
Now this maybe should not hit the blog and it really gets into the idea of for me again.<br />
The need to see a particular form due to accellerated good behaviour and years of hot meditation practice is <br />
Baffling ...as if we just can get passed this forms issue there is no way to calculate what needs to happen to not reincarnate...I feel not tied to that event as a markpost.<br />
Next story...always an answer for everything.<br />
Well if you didnt get the radiant form before you die it may be you did get it but for due to heavy karmas you were blocked from seeing it....so back to square one.<br />
Lets get out of needing FORMS to be our guidepost...grab the light sound if youcan just get something and go up the ladder.<br />
Now some on this blog love and are devoted to m. Charan...I love him he was fabulous....<br />
Now then he passed away and many years have gone by and we have received GSD.<br />
Hes gotton a lot of new initiates and sort of I guess coddled Charans disciples too.<br />
What we need to think about here and he as well if he reads this.<br />
It was that he did not want to be the master but did his masters wishes. He did not want all this satsangi responsibility.<br />
Ok time goes on and the past masters are gone and many oddities are spread around that GSD says this or that now..he says things are different example I heard he will not come to the death of the satsangi...<br />
Ok then there are no to my knowledge tapes of his satsangs videos of his talks surprise visits and disappear ...very little of his thoughts are shared with us unless theres something Im aware of.<br />
He gives the impression that m. Charan says it all go listen to his satsangs and yet things leak out where he says differing teachings...modern times. Things have changed.<br />
Ok with all respect please we dont bite . we lost our master to death it broke many hearts. The attachment to him was very deep . or we many are new on the path so...<br />
Tell us the changes let us deal with new information corrections validations for changes.. <br />
No more about finances things. We want to meet the spiritual side of this person m. Charan chose to lead the people...<br />
We would like to hear from the current spiritual leader and get to know his insights...in our changing world.</p>
<p>I dont think thats asking too much...</p>
<p>I dont think we will hear much either .<br />
So back to square one.<br />
Try to hit cosmic consciousness and go from there...it may be more true..<br />
Chy</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49ef6b9200d2019-08-13T16:28:56Z2019-08-13T20:55:10ZChyYes Spence We do have a place...now then our minds lets say for those who believe in body mind and...<p>Yes Spence<br />
We do have a place...now then our minds lets say for those who believe in body mind and soul...so many different belief systems writing in this blog...<br />
I can try to express my experience somewhat wherever it is I am at when writing. All these opinions change over time as we grow.<br />
So anyway the mind gives us forms to see and if we go inside we may see other forms and on and on lesser and lesser forms as we go higher into pure energy pure consciousness.<br />
So what you see here in an old womans face or a young persons face or say 'I see the spark of light in that person" ...thats the highest expression of that person that my mind here can register and relate to...as I evolve I cannot even exist here as my light will not maintain a physical structure.<br />
Radiant form is a way of the mind relating to us a pure energy source that our mind has deemed the thing thats supposed to appear before the eye in meditation or for some in psychic situations like at satsangs or in the rivers evening glow...but in the end its all just one big electrical charge defined down here to humans per their religious belief system...and the mind as m. Charan said PLAYS TRICKS ON US...<br />
Very uneasy to try to write all this and make sense ...<br />
Now then what people say and believe is was or will be a perfect living master these individuals minds will project things related to that belief system and if the person can go higher again its pure energy charge at the top. Therefore if we can get between forms and forms on other dimensions if we are there when we are there we may slip through this forms issue....<br />
Im not at the top yet!!! Darn my karmas keep me in this level....<br />
Holding on to hopes and dreans but nothing we know here is how it is in the end..<br />
Chy</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49ef040200d2019-08-13T15:26:59Z2019-08-13T16:15:49Z777- the ' PRAISE ' 777<p>-</p>
<p>the ' PRAISE '</p>
<p>777</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49eefc1200d2019-08-13T15:24:10Z2019-08-13T16:15:49Z777@Osho """ Or let's make it easier for you: can you quote any anecdote in the lives of all the...<p>@Osho<br />
""" Or let's make it easier for you: can you quote any anecdote in the lives of all the people regarded as Sant Mat Sat Gurus whose biographies and teachings Beas publish, who ever claimed that? """</p>
<p><br />
Charan , . . . capable to be in India and in The Netherlands<br />
at the same time<br />
and 5 satsangi's testifying under oath</p>
<p>Now go to Bandhara and you find about 1000 initiated<br />
who can testify!</p>
<p>HOW GREAT NOT TO SAY YOU ARE A COMPLETE HUMAN<br />
Instead, let the Successor do the ' ' 'boasting' ' '</p>
<p><br />
777</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49eb8a6200d2019-08-13T03:34:05Z2019-08-13T16:15:49ZChyCould it be we are heading for a dissolution...not the grand dissolution but the lesser of the 2?. Reviewing my...<p>Could it be we are heading for a dissolution...not the grand dissolution but the lesser of the 2?.<br />
Reviewing my notes I believe it was Ishwar puri...could have been m. Charan but my old note is not clear...<br />
Im thinking it was Ishwar...<br />
The question was on climate and earth changes...<br />
His answer was:.<br />
To the effect that why get so obsessed with all this . What is here to hang on to?<br />
This life here is transitory and nothing lasts and we die and go on...what is the real need to hang on to in this world. Do your meditation and get out of this entrapment.....<br />
Well thoughts to ponder.</p>
<p>Personally I believe in treating the earth as well as I can be kind to it and dont add to the destructive ways...karmic situation for us here at this time..<br />
Chy<br />
</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49eb1a0200d2019-08-13T02:16:48Z2019-08-13T02:43:05ZSpence TepperHi Chy You wrote "Radiant forms are very much like this...forms our mind needs to create to justify our existence...<p>Hi Chy<br />
You wrote<br />
"Radiant forms are very much like this...forms our mind needs to create to justify our existence in the universe.<br />
To feel secure and that one has a place.<br />
In electrical charge thoughts there is no ego there is no deity to define just energy at varied frequencies."</p>
<p>But we all do have a place, Chy. We're each occupying it, and can't step one Planck from it. </p>
<p>What if, through inspiration, or meditation, you realize there is another consciousness right within you, besides yourself? </p>
<p>One that is also seen everywhere you look, and in the face of an old woman, you see the young girl? And in the face of the young boy, you see the feeble old man? </p>
<p>And in the eyes of each, the twinkle of that higher consciousness that you witness within yourself? That presence, as if the whole creation were compassionate, underneath the things individual thinking does. We are the tearing surface of the sea, but what is the sea itself? Deep, unmoving, immovable, and feeding and healing all its inhabitants?</p>
<p>When you put aside imagination, what if light and sound burst through without your permission? </p>
<p>What do you call it? And if it can't be named, do we say it doesn't exist? </p>
<p>What if we gain our very capacity to see and be awake, to whatever limited extent we are, from that greater see of wakefulness, buoyant and soaring beyond us? </p>
<p>If you find that in you, then how can you say, "well, that's me too."</p>
<p>I guess anyone can say anything, but if we are honest, it's a beatiful mystery. I think we should get to know her better. </p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4756cf1200c2019-08-12T22:37:24Z2019-08-13T02:43:05ZChyThank you 777... I will check your old letters.. Chy<p>Thank you 777...<br />
I will check your old letters..<br />
Chy</p>Jen commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49e99d6200d2019-08-12T21:37:45Z2019-08-13T02:43:05ZJenHi Chy, really enjoyed your comment. I'm enjoying living in a small town in Australia now, a lucky country imo....<p>Hi Chy, really enjoyed your comment. I'm enjoying living in a small town in Australia now, a lucky country imo.</p>
<p>I like what you said: "In electrical charge thoughts there is no ego there is no deity to define just energy at varied frequencies."</p>
<p>The UFO phenomena is one of my favourite mysteries in life. Your quote from Charan: "for the most part they are not from OUTER SPACE". Maybe there are some from outer space and others from inner dimensions. Also, nowadays with our modern technology some could be made by humans. <br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4756687200c2019-08-12T21:13:17Z2019-08-13T02:43:05Z777@Chy @Arj That s a long time ago you were @dera In my comments over 6 years here or so...<p>@Chy @Arj</p>
<p>That s a long time ago you were @dera</p>
<p>In my comments over 6 years here or so<br />
I spoke about almost nothing than that<br />
Our 7 chakras structure in >500 comments<br />
Please google churchless 777 <br />
It is even what Brian made angrily and I'm allowed to write only in this chapter<br />
Sometimes I try to place comments more at a more 'direct' chapter<br />
but then he deletes/ is not placing</p>
<p>It is the reason that he created this """free""". chapter<br />
Imaging what separations he would apply in the universe if he had any 'more' power</p>
<p>Also I talked about aliens and how we are not the only with the 7th chakra</p>
<p>but we are in the solar system, there are more in this galaxy<br />
Many entities try to carbon copy with their brains, having extremely high IQ's<br />
Many know that only reincarnation can bring them in this slaughterhouse<br />
( you see Arjuna ) , the place where karmas are equalized<br />
and witnesses can learn compassion 100 times a day</p>
<p>It is the compassion ( Love ) that works when not 'selfish' ( second agendas)</p>
<p>Let's say: Planets with 7 chakra beings ( humans or otherwise) are often hell for one<br />
and heaven for another<br />
because we can become love at 100%</p>
<p>Second thoughts ( in Love) imply the exigence to be loved back , a GIANT mistake<br />
Arjuna is constantly demonstrating<br />
He still loves Charan but the condition is that Charan is alive<br />
He dislikes Gurinder because Arjuna didn't receive the attention he thinks he deserves</p>
<p>There are grades in Love ( repeat COMPASSION ) and Simran brings us very far<br />
Even Saints do Simran 7/24<br />
Simran is the Sound current and will wake up</p>
<p>Simran becomes sweet, delicious, gorgeous </p>
<p>777</p>
<p><br />
</p>um commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c345ef200b2019-08-12T21:05:54Z2019-08-13T02:43:05ZumThank you Arjuna I will make myself some coffe. Not for all but for many who came to know Sant...<p>Thank you Arjuna I will make myself some coffe.</p>
<p>Not for all but for many who came to know Sant Mat through Charan, the transition was a shock.</p>
<p>He took with him whatever was admirable into his grave. He was not only charismatic, but everybody and everything else related to him all over the world.</p>
<p>It made me think in a way of the movie "the last emperor" where the mandarins were replaced by the "little men in green uniforms".</p>
<p>Personally i feel that people are far to much focused on his successor for finding answers … T want to believe that there is much more to it. What happens there in many ways resembles what I see happening at other places that has nothing to do with spirituality.</p>
<p>I am glad that I am not in a position to judge or questioning him. Soon after he came to succeed his uncle, the whole interaction with sant mat evaporated like an fata morgana.</p>
<p>I do remember, with great pleasure, that interaction with sant mat, like a grown up can bring a smile on his face thinking of his time in kindergarten.</p>
<p>How it came to be so I don't know … it just evaporated.</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4756312200c2019-08-12T20:58:08Z2019-08-13T02:43:05ZChyTo. One initiated from july 25th your posting. Subject the void of darkness that no one can transcend without a...<p>To.<br />
One initiated from july 25th your posting.</p>
<p>Subject the void of darkness that no one can transcend without a guide.<br />
The darkness is so engulfing the soul cannot cross.</p>
<p>Well here again.<br />
Folks theres nowhere to GO the light and darkness are everywhere simultaneously.<br />
Therefore you will EXPERIENCE your place of AWARENESS be that varied this or that level of concentration of light force (energy.)<br />
There is no external spirit being thats coming like a fairy tale to drag you along dear lost baby to sach khand.<br />
There is no where to GO . its all frequencies and your frequency is your awareness....<br />
Your awareness is your life force energy electrical charge that is it. Energy not beings in space somewhere in human looking forms in meditation.<br />
Its all a mind mental translation for people to discuss all this and communicate. The mind gives 3 dimensional explanations for everything..<br />
Chy</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49e93fc200d2019-08-12T20:31:02Z2019-08-13T02:43:05ZJesse"In just 11 years, our civilization, which has taken 4.5 billion years of Earthly evolution, will likely have signed its...<p>"In just 11 years, our civilization, which has taken 4.5 billion years of Earthly evolution, will likely have signed its death warrant."</p>
<p>Im not a "climate change denier" really, but I'm highly skeptical and mostly because of these hyperbolic warnings that have been saying "this year!" "this decade!" for like 40 years. The same sales attitude has been used to sell gold for at least 50 years. "The US debt is 20 BILLION dollars. This can't go on!" Now we're comfortable with $20trillion.</p>
<p>For one thing, climate predictions such as whether or not it'll rain next week are not exactly accurate. To give exact predictions about red line dates in the future is obviously not so much scientific as it is propagandistic. The fact that it's always the USA and Europe who must act should tell you something. But it doesn't, because you're high or whatever, 7.</p>
<p>Second of all, the earth's climate has already been far more severe as it is now, and nothing we could ever do would prevent similar conditions from arising again. I'm currently sitting in an area that only 10,000 pre industrial years prior was under a mile of ice. And assuming Malenkovich cycles are real, this ice is more commonly here than not.</p>
<p>If another ice age comes, which doesn't require human activity, we're all screwed. We'll need to accommodate all of the human population on far less land and during climatic changes we have no civilizations memory of. </p>
<p>Your civilization and ecological assessments and beliefs are so wrong that I have no reason to trust your spiritual beliefs . It's like being unable to perform subtraction on paper but telling me you know calculus. I not only have no reason to believe you, but I have very good reason to absolutely reject everything you say, 7.</p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4756198200c2019-08-12T20:30:11Z2019-08-13T02:43:05ZArjuna @ UM - hello Yes I do. Have a good evening<p>@ UM - hello</p>
<p>Yes I do.</p>
<p>Have a good evening </p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c341df200b2019-08-12T20:20:25Z2019-08-13T02:43:05ZChyYes 777. In my explanation of beings aliens etc needing human form. Ishwar did specify the human form AND A...<p>Yes 777.<br />
In my explanation of beings aliens etc needing human form.<br />
Ishwar did specify the human form AND A PERFECT MASTERS initiation. I missed mentioning that part...<br />
Now then he did not mention the<br />
"Crown chakra matrix" that you indicated...feel free to elaborate on that concept if you wish. I do know what the chakra system is just this part you mentioned would add some things.</p>
<p>I do recall m. Charan singh saying when I was at Dera for satsangis not to delve into or participate much in UFOS and the like...he also said for the most part they are not from OUTER SPACE.<br />
He then dropped the discussion.</p>
<p>Well that leads to 2 options.<br />
1. They are inner dimensional experiences not inter I wrote inner ...</p>
<p>2. They are from our own planet earth...<br />
So any thoughts ?..<br />
Chy</p>Um commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c3396c200b2019-08-12T19:07:54Z2019-08-13T02:43:05ZUm>>I always am angry with the current one and only he knows why.<< You wrote "only he knows" …. What...<p>>>I always am angry with the current one and only he knows why.<<</p>
<p>You wrote "only he knows" ….<br />
What about you?<br />
Do you know why you are angry?</p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49e87d9200d2019-08-12T18:30:32Z2019-08-13T02:43:05ZArjuna @ 777 I did not call your master names. I called the Almighty a name. Truth be told I love...<p>@ 777 I did not call your master names. I called the Almighty a name.</p>
<p>Truth be told I love Charan as he was master when I was little but he left me. </p>
<p>I always am angry with the current one and only he knows why.</p>7 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49e6bf4200d2019-08-12T14:02:42Z2019-08-12T14:02:42Z7#RSSB buying some lands 50° heat generally to come without water & food Things will become worse than the following...<p>#RSSB buying some lands</p>
<p>50° heat generally to come without water & food<br />
Things will become worse than the following<br />
The 8 meter mentioned is a giant joke and the 1,5° C too</p>
<p>XR</p>
<p>Simon Wally. - Extinction Rebellion<br />
<br />
In just 11 years, our civilization, which has taken 4.5 billion years of Earthly evolution, will likely have signed its death warrant. Our climate is changing. Our atmosphere and oceans are warming. <br />
Species are becoming extinct at 10,000 times the normal rate. Dozens of species are lost every single day. By 2050, between 30-50% of all species will have disappeared. We will crash through 1.5C of warming since pre-industrialization, and be well on our way to runaway climate change. The latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)report described the conditions awaiting humanity if we fail to act by 2030.<br />
Hundreds of millions will suffer from extreme heat, lack of food and water, and possible war like conditions as governments struggle to keep control.<br />
And this report wasn’t even the worst case scenario. </p>
<p>More alarming reports have included the dreaded positive feedback loops into their models. The most worrying feedback loop is the mass melting of the Arctic permafrost and up to 8 meters of sea level rise. The permafrost is of particular concern to scientists, and it should be to us all. Under the frozen ground, rests 205 gigatons of methane. Methane is 30 times more potent that CO2. If this methane escapes into the atmosphere, any future attempts at mitigation will likely prove futile.<br />
Sea levels will rise, available land for growing food will decrease as a result. Water is becoming scarce already, but with warmer temperatures, water will evaporate more rapidly. This will increase moisture levels in the atmosphere and fuel super strength storms. All this will be happening as billions of humans are added to the population. More people with less food, water and land, but increased temperatures, super storms and increased risk of disease.<br />
Japan faces a future of food scarcity, rising sea levels, stronger, more deadly typhoons like Typhoon Jebi, heat waves like that of 2018 that killed 65, and hospitalized 22,000, and landslides like that seen in Hiroshima.<br />
This is the likely future of Japan, and our planet. It doesn’t have to be this way. We can all make individual choices to avoid this reality. We can leave animal products off our plates, drive less, fly less, buy less and use less water. Taken together, these actions will have a massive impact.<br />
We must rise up together as one, and take back control from these people that would risk our survival as a species for short term profit. The rebellion of which I'm talking has already begun. The battle to save our species is underway. It is a peaceful and just battle that offers hope in a time of great darkness. This peaceful uprising calls on you to join us in our time of need, and offer support in any way you can. Our generations' greatest strength is in unity. We are united under the banner of Extinction Rebellion. And rebel we must. Rebellion is the only thing that will keep us alive.</p>
<p>7. ( for secondary subjects I diminish some 7s )</p>
<p>The quesste for our Soul has become the same<br />
as the queeste for this planet</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c31599200b2019-08-12T12:36:39Z2019-08-12T12:36:39Z777Read the Song The proof is automatically transfer all worldly Love Songs to Your Master! Automatically I never spoke about...<p>Read the Song<br />
The proof is automatically transfer all worldly Love Songs to Your Master!</p>
<p>Automatically</p>
<p>I never spoke about understanding or IQ<br />
I spoke only about Love and Being That</p>
<p>777</p>
<p>Strange Arjuna<br />
In one phrase you refer to Gurinder after scolding HIM the same breath!<br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49e64e4200d2019-08-12T12:20:15Z2019-08-12T12:20:15Z777@CHY ""all other species in the physical universe and uninitiated on other dimensions no go including angels cannot connect. They...<p><br />
@CHY<br />
""all other species in the physical universe and uninitiated on other dimensions no go including angels cannot connect. They must incarnate into a human form....""</p>
<p>Exactly<br />
All what "is" must eventually use the Crown Chakra Matrix <br />
AND HELP OF<br />
SOMEONE WHO IS ALREADY THERE</p>
<p>777</p>
<p>@Arjuna<br />
Please don' call my Master Charan names</p>
<p>777</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c3129a200b2019-08-12T11:26:55Z2019-08-12T11:26:55ZChyOn one trip to Dera In the late 70s I spent a lot of time with White and Indian satsangiis...<p>On one trip to Dera In the late 70s I spent a lot of time with White and Indian satsangiis from south africa...i have lovely memories and we had some adventures. Yes many Indians living in India do not like SAfricans and my tagging along with them on trips outside Dera I was included in the bigotry...didnt matter we just rolled with the punches and the SA people there were very devoted satsangis at that time Sam Busa was there as well.<br />
Very lovely warm friendly people.<br />
I live in southwestern USA am a loner its easier...but love a good chat...<br />
Outside of being with SAfricans no issues for me with Indians the story changed when I was not tied up with SAfricans..... Loved India...<br />
Anyway Jen wow youve lived there and now NZ lucky lady another gorgeous place. Good karma ...</p>
<p>Anyway perhaps we all are little buddhas metaphorically buddhas of energy just getting through our lives here and will return to the pure essence not some religious dogma style and empty answers to satisfy the mental knots we get in momentarily and need a bandaid relief answer from our chosen religion to get past the knot.<br />
When the knot loosens and it only loosens when we grab ut toss it out and let go of the issue causing the disturbance. Dont try to resolve it just visually let it go see yourself as a shining light force in the universe not in the form of a soul or deity or with another being guiding you. Just be and the knot will dissolve and you bypass dogmatic methods of thinking and thinking those old ways will solve your issue.<br />
We really are not any of these old pagan views of deities gods goddesses and the like.<br />
We are charged with a life force that has no form and definition. Thats for here on earth and until we can accept that and the fear of letting go of the need to be a form or see forms of others in spirit until we can just be an electrical charge and nothing more to fill an ego void we will not get much past the ancient idol worshippers with gods and temples...<br />
Radiant forms are very much like this...forms our mind needs to create to justify our existence in the universe.<br />
To feel secure and that one has a place.<br />
In electrical charge thoughts there is no ego there is no deity to define just energy at varied frequencies.<br />
Chy</p>Chy commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c2f39b200b2019-08-12T00:25:00Z2019-08-12T00:25:00ZChyFor Georgy...and others as well. I often wondered about beings on other planets and their connection to shabd possibilities...ALIENS to...<p>For Georgy...and others as well.<br />
I often wondered about beings on other planets and their connection to shabd possibilities...ALIENS to say for clarity.<br />
Never heard and several people tried to get this answered never could get a straight answer from the Dera over the years ...it was always !! sidestepped.</p>
<p>Recently I heard a tape of Ishwar Puri guruji here in the states AND to my best recollection and understanding...he answered the question to the effect that it is only in the HUMAN FORM do we have this opportunity to connect to go home...all other species in the physical universe and uninitiated on other dimensions no go including angels cannot connect. They must incarnate into a human form....<br />
So another dilemma for everyone to consider.<br />
In case you dont know who Ishwar Puri ji is some long term satsangi you may know or another person on the blog may if requested...... explain his credentials to you...quite substantial man he is..<br />
Chy</p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4750649200c2019-08-11T21:55:23Z2019-08-11T21:55:23ZArjuna @ 777 Babaji once said that if you tell me that a man understands what this is. I wont believe...<p>@ 777</p>
<p>Babaji once said that if you tell me that a man understands what this is. I wont believe him. I am more likely to believe the man who says he has drunk the worlds oceans.</p>
<p>Tell me what are we not understanding if the big man says it is impossible to understand.</p>
<p>Ps do you know what a Demiurge is?</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49e2428200d2019-08-11T18:13:30Z2019-08-12T01:38:16Z777@those not understanding yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnx5qwM7LtM 7777<p>@those not understanding yet</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnx5qwM7LtM" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnx5qwM7LtM</a></p>
<p>7777</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c2c198200b2019-08-11T14:43:16Z2019-08-12T01:38:16ZSpence TepperHi 777 You wrote "In short, all methods other than Love fall short love strong as when we were 14...<p>Hi 777<br />
You wrote<br />
"In short,<br />
all methods other than Love fall short<br />
love strong as when we were 14 and had a crush<br />
you cannot eat, cannot sleep<br />
That kind</p>
<p>and sorry everybodynice bloggers , . . you can only produce that for a human<br />
not for a stone, a spirit, . . not even The Holy Spirit</p>
<p>Who doesn't have it . . . beg for it. . . . each minute</p>
<p>Other methods are just to difficult PLUS<br />
We, Humans are constructed for Love ( alas that implies hate too )<br />
Who doesn't want, join . . . ?"</p>
<p>Become zero, 777, and the whole creation is a gushing, fusing sea of passion where every vacuum is an injury, a loneliness the entire creation is wounded by, and rushes at once to embrace, to heal, to fill.<br />
</p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49dfc85200d2019-08-11T10:12:25Z2019-08-12T01:38:16ZArjuna @ 777 You talk about the Almighty as Love . I never saw any love at Haynes Park UK centre....<p>@ 777 </p>
<p>You talk about the Almighty as Love . I never saw any love at Haynes Park UK centre. People went their for their own reasons. Build networks . Show off their cars. Kiss ass. Mary their sons and daughters off. </p>
<p>Sorry don't buy it. This Almighty God sounds like a Twat !!! Insecure too. Why doesn't he want our Love??? Get a life is what I say to him. </p>Jen commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a474a057200c2019-08-11T00:02:30Z2019-08-11T01:23:33ZJenHi Dungeness, Yes, I loved the South African satsangis and I enjoyed satsang very much. I was over sensitive when...<p>Hi Dungeness,</p>
<p>Yes, I loved the South African satsangis and I enjoyed satsang very much. I was over sensitive when we moved to NZ and now have adjusted to the bluntness of some people. Had to toughen up when living in Australia as well and changed my accent very quickly and don't speak about where I was born. Remind myself every day how lucky I am living in a beautiful and safe environment. Hope it lasts. <br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c27f3a200b2019-08-10T23:59:25Z2019-08-11T01:23:33Z777In short, all methods other than Love fall short love strong as when we were 14 and had a crush...<p>In short,<br />
all methods other than Love fall short<br />
love strong as when we were 14 and had a crush<br />
you cannot eat, cannot sleep<br />
That kind</p>
<p>and sorry everybodynice bloggers , . . you can only produce that for a human<br />
not for a stone, a spirit, . . not even The Holy Spirit</p>
<p>Who doesn't have it . . . beg for it. . . . each minute</p>
<p>Other methods are just to difficult PLUS<br />
We, Humans are constructed for Love ( alas that implies hate too )<br />
Who doesn't want, join . . . ?</p>
<p>777</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a47497a7200c2019-08-10T21:57:54Z2019-08-11T01:23:33Z777Sorry 4my english -apparently it was not clear enough (about Osho's remark) that this happend Long ago and that yes...<p>Sorry 4my english <br />
-apparently it was not clear enough (about Osho's remark)<br />
that this happend Long ago and that yes<br />
after brilliant meditations<br />
we are less and less invited to make changes in creation as it is<br />
Even the Almighty invites the Saints & their disciples to find imperfections<br />
( saay . there is a complaint box :-)</p>
<p>Apparently the mind, neither the serpent , knows<br />
that the Giant Love (6 regions higher) includes the certainity that everything in creation is perfect,<br />
extremely perfect</p>
<p>777</p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4749009200c2019-08-10T20:20:29Z2019-08-11T01:23:33ZArjuna @ 777. Not sure what I feel when I read comments . So the kundalini . You know events yet...<p>@ 777. Not sure what I feel when I read comments .</p>
<p>So the kundalini . You know events yet to come as a result. </p>
<p>Have you ever seen a tree on the mountain yet?</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4748a06200c2019-08-10T19:17:20Z2019-08-11T01:23:33Z777@Arjuna Good point Yes, it did, . . 49 years ago, quite nasty Have U ever seen a comment of...<p>@Arjuna</p>
<p>Good point<br />
Yes, it did, . . 49 years ago, quite nasty</p>
<p>Have U ever seen a comment of mine <br />
giving U a feel that I am not extremely happy?</p>
<p>777</p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c265ad200b2019-08-10T18:34:29Z2019-08-11T01:23:33ZArjuna @ 777 The Serpent snake will rise<p>@ 777<br />
The Serpent snake will rise</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4747e46200c2019-08-10T16:58:06Z2019-08-11T01:23:33Z777@Arjuna Thanks None of them "left their body" using the "five holy names" and went to "sach khand" Posted by:...<p>@Arjuna<br />
Thanks</p>
<p><br />
None of them "left their body" using the "five holy names" and went to "sach khand"<br />
Posted by: OshoRobbins | August 09, 2019 at 09:21 PM</p>
<p><br />
I did<br />
It's natural<br />
Keep the backbone straight and do love</p>
<p>777</p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49da501200d2019-08-10T15:17:48Z2019-08-10T16:18:59ZArjuna @777 Bottle of Lies: The Inside Story of the Generic Drug Boom Book by Katherine Eban<p>@777</p>
<p>Bottle of Lies: The Inside Story of the Generic Drug Boom</p>
<p>Book by Katherine Eban</p>77 commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c23e41200b2019-08-10T11:13:22Z2019-08-10T16:18:59Z77@Arjuna What book?<p>@Arjuna<br />
What book?</p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c2370d200b2019-08-10T09:56:53Z2019-08-10T16:18:59ZArjuna @ Osho hello brother. Still alive and kicking. Just come back from the boxing gym. Are you going to haynes...<p>@ Osho hello brother. Still alive and kicking. Just come back from the boxing gym.</p>
<p>Are you going to haynes this weekend?</p>Dungeness commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49d88fc200d2019-08-10T08:52:53Z2019-08-10T16:18:59ZDungeness"If I knew you were from South Africa I would not have spoken to you", also another person said to...<p><br />
"If I knew you were from South Africa I would not have spoken to you", also another person said to me "I hate South Africans".</p>
<p>South African satsangis were wonderfully friendly and genuine <br />
when I was there. Political correctness has become the blunt <br />
instrument of the "thought police". </p>Jen commented on 'Open Thread 22 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4c22e53200b2019-08-10T07:40:29Z2019-08-10T16:18:59ZJenJesse, found this article... https://www.tsln.com/news/guest-opinion-genocide-against-white-farmers-in-south-africa/ August 8, 2019 "South Africa has long had a serious problem with crime. The murder...<p>Jesse, found this article...</p>
<p><a href="https://www.tsln.com/news/guest-opinion-genocide-against-white-farmers-in-south-africa/" rel="nofollow">https://www.tsln.com/news/guest-opinion-genocide-against-white-farmers-in-south-africa/</a></p>
<p>August 8, 2019</p>
<p>"South Africa has long had a serious problem with crime. The murder rate is 36 per 100,000, meaning 57 people are murdered each day, placing South Africa’s homicide rate just behind that of countries now at war."<br />
</p>