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June 30, 2019

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RSSB was given 23 acres of government land in charity(?) in 1998 and they sold it off in 2018 when land use could not be changed! The revenue minister is on the hook for it!

Ya know... if RSSB were more of a spiritual organization and less of a corporation then this sort of complex legal/financial entanglement wouldn’t be occurring so regularly. Why such ambition to forcibly “grow” RSSB? Why not just focus on the original purpose of RSSB? A SPIRITUAL colony... not a business.

Speaking of controversial land deal wanted to share this https://thewest.com.au/news/swan-valley/radha-soami-satsang-beas-australia-gets-green-light-for-swan-valley-presence-ng-b881195393z.amp I live in Perth Western Australia and this was a WTF moment. Apparently RSSB needs places of worship. If I ever go back to satsang got to ask Michael Cooke whom is behind this, why need places of worship

Um, RSSB's in bed with a corrupt revenue minister, received public land, sold it on the cheap to a private developer and gypped the government out of fees? I just got done rationalizing the Malvinder/Shivinder business. Now this.

Buy cheap. Get sheeple (read sevadars) to work on it (Seva). Sell for profit. Pay off debt. Case solved.

This kind of thing goes on every day in India. Super old land titles from the late 1800's being sold off with property rights being disputed.

The kicker in this is that Patil overrode previous decisions to not allow non agricultural development on these 24 acres, as well as not paying the correct taxes on the sale of said property. Goes to show what influence RSSB has in government and the perception of vote banks in the Punjab.

What to believe in,where to go ,if not RSSB,what other way to connect to God...I also get doubts.. although initiated,but not able to focus...Life is a mess

I'm still having trouble putting the land deal into context, but I have an idea about Malvinder, Shivinder and the money siphoning.

Ranbaxy drugs were low quality and harmful; therefore, the Singh brothers' billions was dirty money. Basically, Baba Ji flushed it down the toilet in bad real estate deals for the sake of their karma. Baba Ji's family members and associates benefitted but only temporarily. They're in trouble now that the High Court garnished assets, and they too will feel the sting of loss. In short, Baba Ji played a cruel joke on everyone. even friends and family, to teach them the lesson that he's not a golden goose. Satguru is for the wealth of Nam, not for material gain!

Am I oversimplifying and being too generous? Thoughts anyone?

Dr Harshi Dhingra, everyone has doubts. Anyone who says they don't is lying to themselves. Stop relying on anyone but yourself. You hold the power to get up in the morning ready to tackle life's obstacles, or become a defeatist. If you still believe in the path, keep following it and understand that no guru or someone enlightened is going to magically take your soul to a happier place. Stop putting faith in someone you don't know, but in yourself.

Believe in what you want to believe, but take ownership of your own ability and sense of right and wrong.

Just my 2 cents...

Dr. Dhingra
The path, like gravity or water, exists. And you are already part of it. And it is a part of you.

RSSB is a man - made organization based upon teachings, which are man - made expressions of a real experience, codified into a set of instructions.

Please do not confuse the two.

Because the path is natural, some people experience it who have nothing to do with RSSB. When RSSB is long gone, the path will continue asserting itself as people experience those things.

And you will find these natural teachers in various cultures and times. They have nothing to do with any organization, they do not assume any authority at all. They are not on a mission to save the world.

But if you wish to understand true love, beyond human limitations, and our connection to this creation, and further, to transcend daily influences by bathing in a much higher, purer natural and living inner reality, there is for you any path of devotion and inner contemplation. They are all part of that path. At some point you will become aware of the Shabd, and in time you will be so entranced with its beauty and uplift you will automatically mold your life around Shabd contemplation.

And you will find others... At some point we are drawn to the teachers or heart desires...

When you don't need official certificates, legal documents, authorized authorities, but simply resonate with similar experience, then you have found your next step.

Worry is a lack of faith. But faith, if it is anything, is practice. So practice inner contemplation. Make that your Sanctuary. Go there, and be patient.

Found an article written by David C Lane. Here's an excerpt:

"If transcendence is the case, then it is a bit mind boggling to see how much concern there is in "trademarks," "property rights," "money seva," and "litigation over willed estates." To be sure, I understand why organizations indulge in such actions, but I don't think it exemplifies the "universal" teachings by trying to mimic XEROX or IBM or MICROSOFT. If my metaphorical friend Kabir was to reincarnate again (literalists beware, I am indulging in a parable) and he saw what has happened, I get a sneaky suspicion that he would be the first to throw rocks at the ashram's wall, perhaps shouting cryptically: "What does real estate got to do with going within? What do trademarks got to do with perennial truths? Why are Perfect Masters suing each other and their disciples in courts?" He may just say, "Hey, shut up and meditate.""

I would be interested in what David has to say about the current predicament of the current guru of RSSB and what his take is on it, based on what he wrote above. Link to the article is below:

http://www.integralworld.net/lane11.html

Amani very interesting theory. Again it’s just a theory but interesting nevertheless.

Anami, I think you're being naive. Sometimes, it just is what it is. Up to you to believe it, dismiss it, or consider it a conspiracy.

They got caught with their pants down in a real estate bubble with fraudulently obtained funds that were used to purchase these real estate portfolios.

Yes, only speculating. The other day Spence suggested that Baba Ji engaged in financial crimes for the benefit of the Sangat to "wipe out the cancer of arrogance." I began to fantacize on how that could be.

The whole history of RSSB is like this. This organization has built their Satsang Ghars on lands on false land registry papers and encroached land either from the local or Provincial Governments all over India. In addition the water of the Beas river was diverted to flood the adjoining villages next to Dera and the farmers were forced to sell their land at very cheap rate to RSSB. These lands were filled with the free sand from the Beas River and a huge development has come up as a result of free Sewa from the Sewadars.
The foundation of this organization is built on stealing others properties but whatever means and show casing it as the work of Baba Gurinder Singh.

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