Comments on Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)TypePad2019-05-29T01:38:58ZBrian Hineshttps://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2019/05/open-thread-21-free-speech-for-comments/comments/atom.xml/Jen from commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20263ec20eacd200c2020-06-08T23:01:23Z2020-06-09T02:14:55ZJen fromI believe of all the Saints, Mirabai is probably the most misunderstood. She may have “loved” her guru but she...<p>I believe of all the Saints, Mirabai is probably the most misunderstood. She may have “loved” her guru but she was mental. It find it disconcerting that people believe this is a good example of healthy devotion.</p>
<p>Posted by: Sonia | June 07, 2020 at 10:21 PM</p>
<p>Sonia exceptions prove the rule. These are stories from the lives of masters and deciples that is given to us as examples. I am not very familiar with Mirabai but if you call her mental then perhaps it’s to show us that even the mental can come to a spiritual path and have the kind of love she had. </p>🌟💛💛 777 💛💛🌟 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20263ec20db23200c2020-06-08T17:58:39Z2020-06-08T21:20:39Z🌟💛💛 777 💛💛🌟@Sonia Good point - The truth always or mostly IN THE MIDDLE and now I m here : @Sonia wrote...<p>@Sonia Good point - The truth always or mostly<br />
IN THE MIDDLE</p>
<p>and now I m here :<br />
@Sonia wrote<br />
It’s almost like people will start to see whatever they’ve been told is there. It’s like they co-create similar experiences. I guess that’s why they </p>
<p>Me:<br />
That is because these Regions do not exist . . <br />
way Not (Gurinder in UK)</p>
<p>We have to manufacture them ourselves and then they will be to your taste</p>
<p>Though_less_ness does that !</p>
<p>In a way actually here_now it is the same and we seem to interact with<br />
others from the same consciousness_time_space_level_frequency</p>
<p>Creation seems so solid because so many jeevas participate!</p>
<p>Actually these others do not exist either - They are of our construct<br />
and SO each billionth of a nanosecond activated</p>
<p>🌟 Blessed are those who asap discover the giant LOVE c q Sound_freq,<br />
🌟 Simran contains _that ; that makes it so possible</p>
<p>Unlucky (in terms of time) those neglecting the sweetness of the Creator which is<br />
and always will be THEM</p>
<p>777</p>
<p>This is the total explanation of the Sant Mat Beas Gurus and of Creation<br />
included the why</p>
<p>Like : I m water - why I m so wet?</p>
<p>Posted by: 🌟💛💛 777 💛💛🌟 | June 08, 2020 at 07:40 AM</p>
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<p>I’ve never gone back to read all the old threads but since momentum hasn’t slowed during the Coronavirus I took a trip down “not my memory lane”.</p>
<p>Here’s an interesting one:</p>
<p>Shows what value some people have in life, happiness is relative term, true lover never has "happiness" - ecstacy and pain and longing and aching heart but never this stupid ephemeral thing called "happiness".ask Mirabai what is happiness she'll tell you it's not what these Western intellectual think it is.</p>
<p>Posted by: Haiku's halo | June 06, 2019 at 05:53 PM</p>
<p>@Haiku’s halo<br />
I believe of all the Saints, Mirabai is probably the most misunderstood. She may have “loved” her guru but she was mental. It find it disconcerting that people believe this is a good example of healthy devotion.</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a496ffa8200d2019-07-10T11:50:59Z2019-07-11T01:59:16Z777@Fun Happy' might have been better Let's ask a UK or US reader about semantics My only point is that...<p>@Fun</p>
<p>Happy' might have been better<br />
Let's ask a UK or US reader about semantics</p>
<p>My only point is that it's not Gods speciality to let us (HIMSELF) suffer<br />
but enjoy</p>
<p>777</p>Dungeness commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46db3c3200c2019-07-10T02:46:08Z2019-07-10T03:00:40ZDungeness"Show me one human that suffered from BBJ ?" I'll give you two. Malvinder and Shivinder I thought that was...<p><br />
"Show me one human that suffered from BBJ ?"<br />
I'll give you two.<br />
Malvinder and Shivinder</p>
<p>I thought that was just a family squabble... fistfights even!</p>
<p>Is it all the evil patriarch's fault again?</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb8f46200b2019-07-10T01:39:43Z2019-07-10T02:00:50ZSpence Tepper Hi 777 You asked "Show me one human that suffered from BBJ ?" I'll give you two. Malvinder and Shivinder.<p>Hi 777<br />
You asked<br />
"Show me one human that suffered from BBJ ?"<br />
I'll give you two. <br />
Malvinder and Shivinder. <br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a496ee09200d2019-07-10T00:28:58Z2019-07-10T02:00:50ZJesse"Relax Guys, . . Have Fun Creation was meant for pleasure" Literally the antithesis of everything taught by all the...<p>"Relax Guys, . . Have Fun</p>
<p>Creation was meant for pleasure"</p>
<p>Literally the antithesis of everything taught by all the gurus of RSSB and all the "saints" you like to name. The word "fun" never comes up in this ecosystem of depressing literature. </p>
<p>You want us all to join the cult you're in by telling us it's the polar opposite of what it really is. This is actually a really normal part of cult indoctrination. Jehova's Witnesses tell you that they're all about free will and harmony in their families, then you find out much later that all family members must fall in line or else be "shunned" by the whole community. In short, they lie to get you to join.</p>
<p>Telling people to have fun but also that your cult is correct is trickery. Once they join and hear the announcements in satsang advising people not to socialize or have picnics, they enter into the truth that is "sant mat." Very standard social control stuff, but with no worldly benefit like political social control might offer.</p>
<p>As for "Show me one human that suffered from BBJ ?" Read Punjabi news. People lost farm land to his cult. Others were pressured out of homes and pressured to give dera all their money as widows with nowhere to go. </p>
<p>This is all the direct result of Gurinder's need to grow like a corporation. Nothing about this cult is "spiritual" or "expansive" or any other good one might associate with a religion. It's a business.</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a496e0e1200d2019-07-09T18:10:41Z2019-07-10T02:00:50Z777@Amar I accept that many BBJ s initiates have a difficult time That's why I'm here with my Richter prediction...<p>@Amar<br />
I accept that many BBJ s initiates have a difficult time<br />
That's why I'm here<br />
with my Richter prediction and more</p>
<p><br />
Like Sarah, I like Cassandra but Shabd more<br />
Relax Guys, . . Have Fun</p>
<p>Creation was meant for pleasure</p>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/CassandraFoxDance/videos/351644145519576/" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/CassandraFoxDance/videos/351644145519576/</a></p>
<p>Show me one human that suffered from BBJ ?</p>
<p>777</p>Amar commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a496d982200d2019-07-09T15:19:55Z2019-07-09T16:05:18ZAmar777, I don't lie. I even use my real name. My comments are not meant to humiliate anyone actually. The...<p>777, I don't lie. I even use my real name. My comments are not meant to humiliate anyone actually.<br />
The teachings still hold a small place in my heart, but the path is far from where it started in the late 1800's. The ideals and intent of the teachings are admirable, but to be honest, following the guru in that vein is a difficult thing for me comprehend in today's time and that's where I have come to at my current state. </p>
<p>For someone like you who claims to be in touch with the inner shabd, you speak contrary to that state. You should be clear of mind and heart, your comments do not reflect this. If I had these experiences as you indicate, I sure as hell wouldn't be on here blabbing about it and wasting my energy on this blog. </p>
<p>To say that GSD is doing all this crap to teach us all a lesson to go and do our meditation is so unbelievably naive, I don't know where to begin, and it's not just you saying this, there are others.</p>
<p>Normally I don't respond to anything you post, but thought I would this time. Have a great day dude.</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46d97cd200c2019-07-09T14:52:22Z2019-07-09T16:05:18ZJesse"ps all these efforts here to humiliate HIM, next attack the Teachings up to Tulsi, Up to Rumi are disgusting"...<p>"ps<br />
all these efforts here to humiliate HIM, next attack the Teachings up to Tulsi, Up to Rumi<br />
are disgusting"</p>
<p>You know if you were to go deeper into Indian culture, you'd find that all these names you know are just the huge popular poets of those times and not necessarily the "true saints" or whatever you tell yourself. Mirabai is considered to have been far less prolific than we think, and some would go as far as saying she wroter almost none of "her" poems.</p>
<p>You act like some guy who heard of the top 5 American bands and now considers himself an expert on music, not knowing that there are 1000's of other options out there. You have no way of knowing if Mirabai was real let alone a saint, which you also don't know if they're real. </p>
<p>You suck, 777. Your kind of zealotry is why we'll all live in 3rd world slums soon. Humanity is getting less intelligent by the day, and only the worst of the worst are breeding. The future is bleak and Rumi was nothing but a cow eating, sharia law enforcing psychopath who wrote poems. If you think you're seeing him in your meditation, that's proof that your meditational experiences are all imagination.</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb767e200b2019-07-09T14:47:46Z2019-07-09T16:05:18Z777MISTY = Intoxicated, can't think anymore like 'You go into my head'. ( another song) 777<p>MISTY =</p>
<p>Intoxicated, can't think anymore<br />
like<br />
'You go into my head'. ( another song)</p>
<p><br />
777<br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb6c38200b2019-07-09T10:02:07Z2019-07-09T16:05:18Z777@Amar wrote: ""I kind of like the second version. I doubt that would happen."" HIS attitude will push many to...<p>@Amar wrote:<br />
""I kind of like the second version. I doubt that would happen.""</p>
<p>HIS attitude will push many to look in the Shabad for an answer<br />
by Being The Shabad</p>
<p>777</p>
<p><br />
ps<br />
all these efforts here to humiliate HIM, next attack the Teachings up to Tulsi, Up to Rumi<br />
are disgusting<br />
BUT There are so many like Mirabai actually</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb6bee200b2019-07-09T09:48:01Z2019-07-09T16:05:18Z777@One > I loved that song since Ella Fitzgerald song it the first time.! - Sorry for mixing the words...<p>@One > I loved that song since Ella Fitzgerald song it the first time.!<br />
-<br />
Sorry for mixing the words Richter and Geiger ( must be my age! )</p>
<p>777</p>One Initiated commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46d8848200c2019-07-09T06:09:03Z2019-07-09T16:05:18ZOne Initiatedhttps://profile.typepad.com/oneinitiatedWow 777, what a brilliant piece of music 👍 classic singing and a fantastic jazzy piano playing - totally loved...<p>Wow 777,</p>
<p>what a brilliant piece of music 👍<br />
classic singing and a fantastic jazzy piano playing - totally loved it!<br />
the lovely music is as lovely and as piercing as SHABAD.<br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb5da2200b2019-07-09T00:15:47Z2019-07-09T02:25:41Z777@Amar wrote another lie "So on the one hand he's all knowing" He knows what His Master tells Him to...<p>@Amar wrote another lie</p>
<p>"So on the one hand he's all knowing"</p>
<p>He knows what His Master tells Him to know ( and you know that )</p>
<p>He is just the custodian of the SoundHe is much more amazed than we are</p>
<p>Did my Geiger thing not ring a bell sir?<br />
Do U need more?</p>
<p>777</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb5cb9200b2019-07-08T23:58:34Z2019-07-09T02:25:41Z777@One Between all that money talk , Divine GeigersCount & Serendipities, let's try to make some readers love Jazz music...<p>@One</p>
<p>Between all that money talk , Divine GeigersCount & Serendipities, let's try to<br />
make some readers love Jazz music</p>
<p>If not, the text is like Jap Ji - I think</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJXLqAutql4" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJXLqAutql4</a></p>
<p>Look at me, <br />
I'm as helpless as a kitten up a tree;<br />
And I feel like I'm clingin' to a cloud,<br />
I can' t understand<br />
I get misty, just holding your hand.</p>
<p>Walk my way,<br />
And a thousand violins begin to play,<br />
Or it might be the sound of your hello,<br />
That music I hear,<br />
I get misty, the moment you're near.</p>
<p>Can't you see that you're leading me on? <br />
And it's just what I want you to do,<br />
Don't you notice how hopelessly<br />
I'm lost<br />
That's why…</p>
<p>777<br />
</p>Amar commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb4883200b2019-07-08T16:49:11Z2019-07-08T16:49:11ZAmarArjuna and One Initiated, you see the Baba Ji which is trotted out to the masses. You see the image...<p>Arjuna and One Initiated, you see the Baba Ji which is trotted out to the masses. You see the image we all want to see. White clothes, white beard, sarcastic answers to play to the sangat.</p>
<p>You have no idea what he does in the background, the people he really associates with. The scheming and money being dealt back and forth and the solicitation of politicians. You see what the Dera managers and handlers want you to see. If you had greater access to him, like the wealthy people do, you'd see something totally different.</p>
<p>So Amy's Food owner decides he's going to buy the land for the Petaluma Study Centre. Now, for the last 10 years, every North American Study Centre has to purchase their nasty vegan burritos for every GSD official visit. It's actually written into the official visit guidelines provided by the Dera.</p>
<p>I guess if you "donate" the land or property, you get a customer for life. Makes sense, right? Not.</p>
<p>Money and religion don't mix, but invariably, they do mix, sometimes as give and take, or land for sustaining a prominent satsangi's business. Must be nice to keep your business going with a spiritual organization's demand for your product, spelled out in a list of directives from the Dera.</p>
<p>But I guess you'll have an answer for that also. I bet if GSD announced on the stage that he was guilty of taking the money, you all would probably say, naahh, he was testing us to see if we'd still follow him. Keep following, my friends.</p>One Initiated commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb3290200b2019-07-08T04:46:21Z2019-07-08T04:46:21ZOne Initiatedhttps://profile.typepad.com/oneinitiatedI still don't see a point, Spence. I never said it's a joke. Hz. Nizam might have had an intercourse...<p>I still don't see a point, Spence. I never said it's a joke.</p>
<p>Hz. Nizam might have had an intercourse with the lady - (physical or spiritual?) - what's the joke?</p>
<p>Hazur Soami Ji might have had the control over the bank in Agra with huge sum of money - what's the joke?</p>
<p>HE might have been managing millions/billions/trillions/zillions - what's the joke?</p>
<p>the innocent joke is that you think you understand what Hazur wants and commands,<br />
and that Babaji, a True Satguru, appointed by Hazur, a 100 storey lighthouse, a tower of grandeur, doesn't.<br />
I enjoy reading your comments on lighter note and for fun.<br />
</p>Vijay commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4968d63200d2019-07-08T03:06:18Z2019-07-08T16:37:15ZVijay Spence you have written so many scenarios of if this happened or if that happened. My question for you is...what...<p>Spence you have written so many scenarios of if this happened or if that happened. My question for you is...what if it’s proven that BBJ has nothing to do with all this and that he was only an advisor to all of them and had no wrong doings whatsoever. What would you say then? </p>Jen commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4968b35200d2019-07-08T01:24:52Z2019-07-08T01:24:52ZJenSpence you say: "And so year after year, thinking you are being honest with yourself, you discover you have been...<p>Spence you say:</p>
<p>"And so year after year, thinking you are being honest with yourself, you discover you have been lying to yourself all along."</p>
<p>"Is it possible you and others defend Baba Ji because it saves you the trouble of having to help someone who has fallen down a well?"</p>
<p>I think most of the commenters on this blog have removed themselves from RSSB and we are neither lying to ourselves and we are not defending Baba Ji. If you are going to call out the believers then why not talk to them. I read this blog everyday and occasionally comment and have done so for over 10 years and its annoying to be constantly preached at with this barrage of nonsense.</p>
<p>You seem to be obsessed with Gurinder and I was wondering why you don't go to the Dera and call him out? If thats not possible maybe write to him and lecture him. I don't think he even reads this blog because he is very busy, doing his own service to the Sangat. We know Gurinder is not perfect, but for his followers its up to them to decide.<br />
</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46d42ca200c2019-07-07T21:23:47Z2019-07-07T21:23:47ZSpence Tepper Hi One Initiated The fraud is no joke. It was conducted by Satsangis, all close to the Master. And worse,...<p>Hi One Initiated<br />
The fraud is no joke. <br />
It was conducted by Satsangis, all close to the Master. <br />
And worse, the comments of Satsangis dismissing the harm that was done. <br />
</p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb21d2200b2019-07-07T20:20:06Z2019-07-07T20:20:06ZArjuna @ Spencer- I read what you wrote but don't buy any of it. Answer me ? Are you going after...<p>@ Spencer- I read what you wrote but don't buy any of it.</p>
<p>Answer me ? Are you going after all the worlds gangsters, fraudsters, sociopaths to do Gods work? If you are I have faith in you but as you are not. You lose credibility my friend.</p>
<p>Good luck and Baba Ji bless you in the end.</p>One Initiated commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46d3df6200c2019-07-07T19:10:27Z2019-07-07T19:10:27ZOne Initiatedhttps://profile.typepad.com/oneinitiatedExactly, Spence. Amir Khusro saw that HIS Master, Hz. Nizamuddin, went inside prostitute's room. Master had bigger plans, and all...<p>Exactly, Spence.</p>
<p>Amir Khusro saw that HIS Master, Hz. Nizamuddin, went inside prostitute's room.<br />
Master had bigger plans, and all other 21 pretentious brahmgyanis couldn't bear the scene.</p>
<p>just like you, they thought to help the Master by later advising HIM it's not good to visit brothels.<br />
Khusro and Nizamuddin laughed in ecstasy.</p>
<p>That's what Hazur and Babaji are experiencing on your comments,<br />
a great joyous laugh! on your sach khand innocence.<br />
</p>anami commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb1f45200b2019-07-07T18:43:14Z2019-07-07T18:43:14ZanamiSpence! I was in the L.A. sangat in '85 and '86. Did we know any of the same people? Dewitt...<p>Spence! I was in the L.A. sangat in '85 and '86. Did we know any of the same people? Dewitt and Callista? Lenny (a comic of sorts)? Ron (jolly guy with a Harley)?</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb1f17200b2019-07-07T18:32:38Z2019-07-07T18:32:38Z777@Jim Not one iota @Jen said: Each and every person who has done wrong will experience justice for their actions....<p>@Jim<br />
Not one iota</p>
<p><br />
@Jen said:<br />
Each and every person who has done wrong will experience justice for their actions.</p>
<p>Yes</p>
<p>But in the case of perfect LOVE for God, who is the ultimate decider<br />
S/HE can cancel karmas without the "paying back"</p>
<p>I mean : the victims are equally compensated<br />
and the wrong doer is forgiven </p>
<p>But I said: PERFECT LOVE which is BEING THE SHABD</p>
<p>This can be given in proper non-thinking meditation <br />
OR<br />
by Darshan Glance of a SatGuru<br />
the equivalent of many many meditations.</p>
<p>777</p>
<p>Ps<br />
Think about the consequences here</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46d36b1200c2019-07-07T15:29:55Z2019-07-07T15:29:55ZSpence TepperHi Arjuna I thought about what you wrote again "You are going after GSD as you know he won't do...<p>Hi Arjuna<br />
I thought about what you wrote again</p>
<p>"You are going after GSD as you know he won't do anything to you."</p>
<p>What would devotees do if they really understood he was guilty? <br />
It would be a crucial decision point. <br />
If I still believe He is God and I love Him should I offer to help Him out? <br />
That's easy enough. We should help God, right? <br />
If I no longer believe He is God but I still love him as a person, should I help him out? <br />
Personal decision. But it might oblige you to actually put out some effort and money. </p>
<p>Is it possible you and others defend Baba Ji because it saves you the trouble of having to help someone who has fallen down a well? </p>
<p><br />
And it raises the ethical question of whether you would help another normal person who meant well but fell. Do we reject them or help them? </p>
<p>I witnessed the former in the Sangat in LA. A couple was found to be cheating and everyone acted as if they didn't exist. </p>
<p>The problem with RSSB can be seen here. Despite all the claims that RSSB rejects the caste system and encourages treating each other as equals, the organization, made of human beings, perpetuates the caste system from the culture of its leaders. </p>
<p>Would you defend Baba Ji if you knew it would cost you greatly in money and time and you would get no spiritual payment, since he isn't a Sat Guru, just a guy doing a job? </p>
<p>And are you willing to help a normal person who thought they were more, but fell? </p>
<p>The answer to these questions is too often no and no. </p>
<p>So you have here your own answer to the question of why a Sat Guru might play this game. </p>
<p>And He will have to continue playing it until you all have not only said 'yes, yes' but acted upon that promise. <br />
</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a496743d200d2019-07-07T14:56:16Z2019-07-07T14:56:16ZSpence TepperHi Arjuna You wrote "You are going after GSD as you know he won't do anything to you. The comfort...<p>Hi Arjuna<br />
You wrote<br />
"You are going after GSD as you know he won't do anything to you. The comfort factor....<br />
There are fraudsters galore in this world. Why don't you go after them???" </p>
<p>My daily work in healthcare..... </p>
<p>This is just a side thing I'm doing for Baba Ji. </p>
<p>And it's simple really, just citing public data and asking for change that the individual can take steps towards. </p>
<p>And it's great because Brian Ji appreciates and encourages it. </p>
<p>But I think Brian Ji teaches a more cautionary lesson. If you don't do this. If you choose to be passive, if you choose not to use your voice, that changes you. That warps you. That blinds you. And so year after year, thinking you are being honest with yourself, you discover you have been lying to yourself all along. A convenient lie. </p>
<p>And when you wake up, after a little of the Brian Ji bulldozer, you simply can't go back into the blindness ever again. Can't be done. </p>
<p>And when you see others here reacting emotionally to the discomfort of facts, you know your just have to keep on going. </p>
<p>Trust your gut. Use your voice. </p>
<p><br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb11c9200b2019-07-07T10:56:55Z2019-07-07T16:39:41Z777@all What is it like to be you? After being/realising experiencing God, The Splendid One Would you have any enthusiasm...<p>@all<br />
What is it like to be you?</p>
<p>After being/realising experiencing God, The Splendid One<br />
Would you have any enthusiasm to be that (your) old self again. . . . NO<br />
Be honest, Not even with thousand blogs to be proud of, . . <br />
not Sis Theresa<br />
Nobody would<br />
So , what's the point?</p>
<p>It might be nice is to be another Pure One. . . . Yes</p>
<p>777<br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4966f41200d2019-07-07T10:47:23Z2019-07-07T16:39:41Z777That is not sure That is what YOU experienced in your country There are no complaining shareholders, I heard from,...<p>That is not sure<br />
That is what YOU experienced in your country</p>
<p>There are no complaining shareholders, I heard from, not a single one</p>
<p>There are only some administrators</p>
<p>7</p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46d2bb3200c2019-07-07T07:52:27Z2019-07-07T16:39:41ZArjuna Spence - please don't quote Einstein. You are not Einstein. Your imagination is dangerous. There are fraudsters galore in this...<p>Spence - please don't quote Einstein. You are not Einstein.</p>
<p>Your imagination is dangerous. There are fraudsters galore in this world. Why don't you go after them??? There are people you would not utter a word even you knew something was a miss. Trust me you wouldn't- out of fear of retribution in this beautiful universe of ours. </p>
<p>You are going after GSD as you know he won't do anything to you. The comfort factor.</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb0b9b200b2019-07-07T04:21:04Z2019-07-07T16:39:41ZSpence TepperJen, you wrote "Are you going to save the world Spence?" Acknowledging objective facts isn't saving the world. But neither...<p>Jen, you wrote<br />
"Are you going to save the world Spence?"<br />
Acknowledging objective facts isn't saving the world. <br />
But neither is defending fraud. </p>
<p>777 you wrote<br />
"There are no victims"</p>
<p>Actually that is false. It's a convenient and self - serving falsehood. </p>
<p>Theft and fraud, especially from a health system, has victims. And they are often the sick, the infirm and the indigent. </p>
<p>I've seen how Mortality rates climb when a hospital is under financial duress and cuts costs a little too deeply. </p>
<p>The Dhillon family chose to steal from the wrong people. </p>
<p></p>
<p><br />
</p>Jen commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4966827200d2019-07-07T03:06:09Z2019-07-07T16:39:41ZJen"We cancel ourselves stepping outside to defend fraud. You have not met the victims, so they are of no concern...<p>"We cancel ourselves stepping outside to defend fraud.<br />
You have not met the victims, so they are of no concern to you. But the Shabd is deeply concerned."</p>
<p>Are you going to save the world Spence? Are you going to judge everyone for their misdoings or is it only because its a guru and you are determined to bring him down. The Shabd is not concerned. Each and every person who has done wrong will experience justice for their actions.<br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb09e2200b2019-07-07T02:42:55Z2019-07-07T16:39:42Z777There are no victims, only blessed ones, whatever the outcome Some egos hacked . . yes<p>There are no victims, only blessed ones, whatever the outcome</p>
<p><br />
Some egos hacked . . yes</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46d2742200c2019-07-07T02:39:58Z2019-07-07T16:39:42Z777@spence No offence but U are crazy! You tell me to stop breathing 777<p>@spence<br />
No offence but U are crazy!</p>
<p>You tell me to stop breathing</p>
<p>777</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46d2642200c2019-07-07T02:02:43Z2019-07-07T16:39:42ZSpence Tepper Hi Arjuna "Imagination is more important than knowledge. " -Einstein Use Yours to find a better philosophy of life. Hi...<p>Hi Arjuna<br />
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. "<br />
-Einstein<br />
Use Yours to find a better philosophy of life. </p>
<p>Hi 777 you wrote<br />
"what is keeping you</p>
<p>Orgasmic Sound <br />
Who would cancel That"</p>
<p>It can't be canceled. But fraud has nothing to do with it. </p>
<p>We cancel ourselves stepping outside to defend fraud. </p>
<p>You have not met the victims, so they are of no concern to you. But the Shabd is deeply concerned.<br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46d25bb200c2019-07-07T01:42:05Z2019-07-07T16:39:42Z777Spence asked what is keeping you Orgasmic Sound Who would cancel That<p>Spence asked<br />
what is keeping you </p>
<p>Orgasmic Sound <br />
Who would cancel That</p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46d257f200c2019-07-07T01:31:17Z2019-07-07T16:39:42ZArjuna @ Spence - brother God is a journalist now? Lol. TRUMP wouldn't like that lol. There is no God. This...<p>@ Spence - brother </p>
<p>God is a journalist now? Lol. TRUMP wouldn't like that lol. </p>
<p>There is no God. This master you refer to is but a figment of your mind. </p>
<p>I don't buy it. </p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4966599200d2019-07-07T01:21:11Z2019-07-07T16:39:42Z777Where every step you take is orgasmic,for lack of a better word. Posted by: Jim | July 06, 2019 at...<p>Where every step you take is orgasmic,for lack of a better word.<br />
Posted by: Jim | July 06, 2019 at 05:17 PM</p>
<p><br />
Hi Jim<br />
So nice to hear You say that<br />
It's the best word, cumming all the time</p>
<p>77</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb06ed200b2019-07-07T00:34:11Z2019-07-07T16:39:42ZSpence Tepper Hi 777 You wrote "Trillions, . . . in fact Zillions said this, Few succeeded to stop thinking, end their...<p>Hi 777<br />
You wrote<br />
"Trillions, . . . in fact Zillions said this, Few succeeded to stop thinking, end their inner dialogue during 15 seconds"</p>
<p>Just as all become faithful believers and filled with prayer and supplication as their plane nosedives our of control towards the earth, so every soul is enamored with the Lord upon their death. The light compels the moth to single minded devotion. It's a natural event. </p>
<p>You need to watch it happen to understand. The power that runs even the creator of the creator is compassionate, even passionate. </p>
<p>No human being could possibly embody that, and none do.</p>
<p>You wrote<br />
"Are thousand galaxies full of ink enough to write the zeros of the number of the big bangs<br />
Do U know what U are writing about?"</p>
<p>To paraphrase Vishnu, looking upon a line of marching ants and smiling, "All these were 'Gurinders'"</p>
<p>But as to duty, I follow the direct commands of my Master, who has saved me countless times. It is a simple command : Sat, Chit, Anand. </p>
<p>And as for Sat, if He posts it in print, scrupulous journalism, tireless and careful auditing, over and over again, independent verified proof from multiple sources, why blame me? Take your case against the facts. </p>
<p>When God speaks to you in a dozen articles for all to see, what is keeping you entrenched in a dogma that allows such theft and harm to others? </p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb0407200b2019-07-06T23:19:26Z2019-07-06T23:19:26Z777@Spence declared: " it hardly matters........ At the designated time, you go. " You mean : "I Go" Trillions, ....<p>@Spence declared:<br />
" it hardly matters........ <br />
At the designated time, you go. "</p>
<p>You mean : "I Go"</p>
<p>Trillions, . . . in fact Zillions said this, Few succeeded to stop thinking, end their inner dialogue during 15 seconds</p>
<p>I hope U will succeed <br />
But who will support You while next, you meet Brahma<br />
or his Sub-Drill sergeants cooking our inner lies to ourselves ( it is their job)</p>
<p>How long you estimate that this creation is already going on ?<br />
Are thousand galaxies full of ink enough to write the zeros of the number of the big bangs<br />
Do U know what U are writing about?</p>
<p>And now you seek glory by accusing without proof a man who is the<br />
Beloved of The SatGuru, Charan, blaming Him as well,</p>
<p> ( i think and ask London Phil) just takes his own money back<br />
in spite of the falsehoods from FDA to Daichi to arbitrators, etc</p>
<p>I have not heard One complaining shareholder !</p>
<p>And karma_wise only the Master can see if any injustice takes place<br />
and should be corrected</p>
<p>777</p>anami commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bb0010200b2019-07-06T21:19:26Z2019-07-06T21:19:26Zanami"Master Song" by Leonard Cohen... https://youtu.be/7A6iRGq24xQ<p>"Master Song" by Leonard Cohen...<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/7A6iRGq24xQ" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/7A6iRGq24xQ</a></p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bafdb1200b2019-07-06T19:39:14Z2019-07-06T19:39:14ZArjuna @ 777. Yes.<p>@ 777. Yes.</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4965be2200d2019-07-06T19:13:48Z2019-07-06T19:13:48ZSpence TepperHi 777 The power that runs this creation is Shabd, as far as I can tell. We are all codified...<p>Hi 777<br />
The power that runs this creation is Shabd, as far as I can tell. We are all codified Shabd. </p>
<p>But mind is a huge barrier, but also a huge help. Higher mind helps us overcome lower mind. Still, Shabd pulls is through it all.</p>
<p>Shabd is there, the Word is there, and it hardly matters whether we hear or not. At the designated time, you go. </p>
<p>This idea of waving something mysterious in front of others is, I see now, fraught with problems. Each person can find so much within themselves within their conscious capacity to witness with just a little inner practice. It could be higher mind. You might witness your own ideas, and that's Discovery also. Mindfulness is the path forward. Mindfulness that leads to inner contemplation naturally. Everything else happens in stages. Like an unfolding flower, we can't accelerate our change that. <br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46d1176200c2019-07-06T16:01:11Z2019-07-06T16:01:11Z777meditator said : we need replace the hatred, jealosy, ego etc the negative aspects of life if we may have,...<p>meditator said :<br />
we need replace the hatred, jealosy, ego etc the negative aspects of life if we may have, to get closer to those valued experiences apart from efforts in meditation.</p>
<p>me:<br />
I think One Thing does it :<br />
STOP LYING TO YOURSELF!</p>
<p>If you do it will not work even in a thousand years of practice</p>
<p>Therefore The Buddha stated that this is the greatest sin !<br />
Engrave lies in your mind and so modifying it.</p>
<p>Drill Sergeants must do this to have the soldiers murder<br />
isn't it Arjuna</p>
<p>777</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49653d6200d2019-07-06T15:49:05Z2019-07-06T15:49:05Z777@spence There is ONLY ONE criterium and it's 100% outside of judgements Listen to the mysterius Anahabad Shabad; when it...<p><br />
@spence<br />
There is ONLY ONE criterium <br />
and it's 100% outside of judgements</p>
<p>Listen to the mysterius Anahabad Shabad;<br />
when it swells in Beauty & volume or form > Things are OK</p>
<p>Adding The Five Words over it makes it Celestial Amrit</p>
<p>When you don't have the Shabad , do everything in yr power to connect</p>
<p>It will SAVE You</p>
<p>777</p>Vijay commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4964d69200d2019-07-06T13:36:41Z2019-07-06T13:36:41ZVijay777 Exactly wasn’t it “>”? You called it<p>777<br />
Exactly wasn’t it “>”? You called it</p>7 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4baea53200b2019-07-06T13:16:25Z2019-07-06T13:16:25Z7Don't waste a moment crying over the torn photo. What do U mean ? - Here on N°21 give a...<p>Don't waste a moment crying over the torn photo.<br />
What do U mean ? - Here on N°21 give a reference pls</p>
<p>Vijay<br />
I wrote ">". </p>
<p>Take care</p>Arjuna commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4964719200d2019-07-06T10:17:10Z2019-07-06T10:17:10ZArjuna @ Spencer. Disagree with you there old chap. Fraudsters have loved ones too. Someimes it's an act of love that...<p>@ Spencer. Disagree with you there old chap. Fraudsters have loved ones too. Someimes it's an act of love that causes fraud. How many couples have engaged in fraud??</p>
<p>Have a fab day x</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bad193200b2019-07-05T23:42:05Z2019-07-06T01:21:34ZSpence Tepper If Love requires a leader of millions, that isn't love. If love requires even one square inch of land, even...<p>If Love requires a leader of millions, that isn't love.</p>
<p>If love requires even one square inch of land, even one ant be dispossessed. That isn't love. </p>
<p>If love and fraud are caught together. <br />
Rest assured love was never there.</p>
<p>If you see something lovely on a torn piece of paper, just know the paper is a man-made photo of something real. </p>
<p>Don't waste a moment crying over the torn photo. It is a picture of something real. But the photo isn't real. </p>
<p>Don't look at photos. Even if they appear to be real human beings. </p>
<p>Where fraud is, love was never there. <br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bac8ee200b2019-07-05T20:13:37Z2019-07-06T01:21:34Z777@Mr Curious Catwheels describes ( i hope ) Gods subtle reaction upon Love and sometimes negative forces do a lot...<p>@Mr Curious<br />
Catwheels describes ( i hope ) Gods subtle reaction upon Love<br />
and sometimes negative forces do a lot to compromise<br />
sects and Souls doing their best <br />
In exceptional cases he recreates from the supernova (that makes the elements) on<br />
just to boost Love & Faith around a jeeva<br />
Then an impossibility occurs, . . . like what follows<br />
or what I described so much in my many comments here</p>
<p>Not for nothing, God's hater placed me in this "allow" chapter 21</p>
<p>@Vijay<br />
All here is about<br />
some good, much pseudo & bad science vs Serendipities<br />
In that respect God made a good point as follows:</p>
<p>The miracle is in the fact that the times are similar!<br />
but more even in the giant proof of Jesses mindset > calling names , using 'panflute' as an offence<br />
versus the all-time recognized the best singer of the planet!</p>
<p>Serendipities happen all the time with the tragic exception of God deniers ( why should She?)</p>
<p>who probably listens to solo pan flute albums.<br />
Posted by: Jesse | June 27, 2019 at 09:04 AM. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlSQqAf7p6M" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlSQqAf7p6M</a><br />
Posted by: 777 | June 27, 2019 at 09:04 AM. <<<<<<<<<<<<< </p>
<p><br />
777</p>
<p><br />
</p>Mr. Curious commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4961ee5200d2019-07-05T15:07:50Z2019-07-06T01:21:34ZMr. CuriousI'm reading a great memoir called "Cartwheels in a Sari: A Memoir of Growing Up Cult" written by Jayanti Tamm,...<p>I'm reading a great memoir called "Cartwheels in a Sari: A Memoir of Growing Up Cult" written by Jayanti Tamm, a women who was raised in the Sri Chinmoy movement. I highly recommend it! There are many similarities in her experience to that of followers of Sant Mat/GIHF as Chinmoy was also considered by his followers to be "the" avatar of the times.</p>
<p>Jayanti ultimately left the movement as she eventually saw Chinmoy's true colors (highly egotistical, manipulative, vindictive, etc.) </p>
<p>@Brian, maybe we should start a thread for book recommendations like this? Every guru movement thinks they're special/the right path; the more we can learn about the experiences of others, the more we can realize all these movements are old news and manipulative by their very nature.</p>Vijay commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4961a25200d2019-07-05T13:40:29Z2019-07-06T01:21:34ZVijay777 I noticed this comment of your made and posted at 6 am on the 4th of July. “Nagging these...<p>777 <br />
I noticed this comment of your made and posted at 6 am on the 4th of July. <br />
“Nagging these Jeevas might result in >6.5 on the Richter scale”</p>
<p>Were you referring to the 6.6 earthquake near LA which happened 4 hours after? </p>
<p>😮 </p>777@ commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4bab0f5200b2019-07-05T09:18:44Z2019-07-06T01:21:34Z777@Brian declared again in a wrong statement: "What is it like to be you? Impossible to know." Wrong When we...<p>Brian declared again in a wrong statement:</p>
<p>"What is it like to be you? Impossible to know."</p>
<p><br />
Wrong</p>
<p>When we are fixed, absorbed in the Sweet Majestic Sound , . .<br />
you are that "YOU" too<br />
at any moment</p>
<p>777</p>777@ commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46cadbf200c2019-07-04T13:01:23Z2019-07-04T21:41:28Z777@-- """. However, religious believers and others with rigid minds start with a conclusion -- like. """ This might apply...<p><br />
--<br />
""". However, religious believers and others with rigid minds start with a conclusion -- like. """</p>
<p><br />
This might apply to all kind of lower chakra religions<br />
where the Beautiful Gorgeous & Lovely Sound above our eyes has been forgotten<br />
, although they hv vague remembrances in their scriptures</p>
<p>However<br />
In RSSB cases it is :<br />
How to tell somebody in crushing worldly Love that s/he is totally wrong ?<br />
How to convince the Louvre Museum to get rid of their La Gioconda?<br />
Tell a Lover that the Beatles is shit music<br />
Convince me that I'm not happy</p>
<p>Millions of analphabetic RSSB initiates<br />
not only hear but are profoundly encapsulated mesmerized <br />
by that unstruck TANGIBLE phenomenon and many ascended/hiked already<br />
in triumph, yet stay humble</p>
<p>Tell Captain Picard that his Enterprise Ship can't fly</p>
<p>Nagging these Jeevas might result in >6.5 on the Richter scale</p>
<p> 777</p>
<p></p>
<p><br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4b9906f200b2019-06-30T14:49:35Z2019-06-30T17:27:26Z777Brain 8-dimensional via TetrahaedronShaped Neuron firings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akgU8nRNIp0 Interesting for who can stop the processus to start at lower (simple) dimensions...<p>Brain 8-dimensional via TetrahaedronShaped Neuron firings</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akgU8nRNIp0" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akgU8nRNIp0</a></p>
<p>Interesting for who can stop the processus<br />
to start at lower (simple) dimensions<br />
Rssb's method is definitely a champion, using 5 vibrations</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akgU8nRNIp0" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akgU8nRNIp0</a></p>
<p>With a little bit of help of a friend</p>
<p>777</p>7 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4b9680d200b2019-06-29T16:10:28Z2019-06-30T17:27:27Z7Come back to me What the world needs now The shadow of your smile Day in, day out The boy...<p>Come back to me<br />
What the world needs now<br />
The shadow of your smile<br />
Day in, day out<br />
The boy from Ipanema<br />
What now my love<br />
I had a ball</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4b96759200b2019-06-29T15:42:06Z2019-06-29T15:42:06Z777Anyway The 3 first of Sarah Vaugh's song Come back. . . . ( evidently ) Love Sweet Love ....<p>Anyway<br />
The 3 first of Sarah Vaugh's song</p>
<p>Come back. . . . ( evidently )</p>
<p>Love Sweet Love . . . (Sound)</p>
<p>The Shadow of Your Smile. . . . (Darshan)</p>
<p>777</p>
<p>Real terrific subjective corporal and spiritual (word becomes light) happiness</p>
<p><br />
</p>Mike England commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46b7742200c2019-06-29T11:38:32Z2019-06-29T11:38:32ZMike England Dr Eugene Genetics encouragement to meditation regarding prophetics has paid off. Last night I dreamily imagined I was in the...<p>Dr Eugene Genetics encouragement to meditation regarding prophetics has paid off.<br />
Last night I dreamily imagined I was in the kitchen making some breakfast. A marmite sammij and a cuppa tea.<br />
Lo and behold....This morning it happened exactly as my vision.<br />
It is the most incredible awakening. Ever.<br />
Also a sub luminal message appeared in the sugar bowl:<br />
Truth is Bollox.<br />
Reality is Bollox.</p>
<p>Uncanny or what 🤩</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46b3b95200c2019-06-28T06:56:24Z2019-06-28T16:10:25ZJesse"I propose Jesse as the next Messiah." Thanks for your vote of confidence.<p>"I propose Jesse as the next Messiah."</p>
<p>Thanks for your vote of confidence. </p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49466a1200d2019-06-27T23:10:30Z2019-06-28T05:31:33ZSpence Tepper "The better heart of men shall see, Shall feel celestially, as long As you crave nothing save the song." Lark...<p>"The better heart of men shall see, <br />
Shall feel celestially, as long <br />
As you crave nothing save the song."<br />
Lark Ascending, Meredith</p>
<p>And the music of the soul's gradual climb rising with that strain to the deeper strains, station by station, in isolation, and yet persistence, year over year, told beatifully from another mystic, Ralph Vaughn Williams...</p>
<p>The Lark Ascending</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/ZR2JlDnT2l8" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/ZR2JlDnT2l8</a></p>
<p> </p>Jen commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46b1d76200c2019-06-27T22:18:00Z2019-06-27T22:45:53ZJen777, you say: "I'm asking myself what effect it would have if we told youngsters from the start on The Truth,...<p>777, you say:<br />
"I'm asking myself what effect it would have if we told youngsters from the start on The Truth, which is:<br />
You are The Almighty One, Without Time, without hate, without fear, anonymously playing this with thoroughly applied amnesia, . . . ready to play."</p>
<p>Yes, 777, we are all this tiny drop in this vast creation and I wish we were taught early in life that this is a game and we can play it really well with the energy of true grace that we all have within. We can learn from others but it is so foolish to give our personal power away instead of simply following and evolving within our own inner bliss, and be on a continual high like you 777 ;)</p>
<p>Hi Spence you say: "He got it from somewhere. When you cite others you get it from somewhere. What is important is the truthfulness, the resonance with one's own sentiment."</p>
<p>Yes that resonance within one's self is wonderful.</p>
<p>Hi Amar, no I certainly would not tell anyone to join any religion. We all need to seek and find our own destiny and whoever helps on the way should be our own choice. We recognise in others what we are in our own self.<br />
</p>Dr Eugene Genetics commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46b1aff200c2019-06-27T21:24:23Z2019-06-27T22:45:53ZDr Eugene Genetics The Continual Coincidence of Paradoxical Prophecy. All the great secular prophetics “knew” they had an uncanny gift of far sight....<p>The Continual Coincidence of Paradoxical Prophecy. <br />
All the great secular prophetics “knew” they had an uncanny gift of far sight. The irony of their knowing that they knew what is to be known was not lost on these great minds.<br />
We all now know now what they knew then. There are no lost horizons. </p>
<p>I will encourage my young Paduan to meditate on this, though I already know what he is going to post about it.<br />
Even the quantum entanglement untangled oddly</p>Amar commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4945af6200d2019-06-27T20:40:12Z2019-06-27T22:45:53ZAmarI do not know if manjit has become my guru or if I am his. The two have become one....<p>I do not know if manjit has become my guru or if I am his. The two have become one. Lol!</p>
<p>We can make up our own narrative... </p>
<p>All joking aside, I propose Jesse as the next Messiah. Preaching the gospel of the right to hate and swear uncontrollably. I'm sure we could find some Jesse-isms to print in pamphlet form for mass distribution. Georgy could take on the marketing seva and make this happen.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>Mike England commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49454c1200d2019-06-27T19:16:49Z2019-06-27T22:45:53ZMike England The Universal cycle of prophetic convenience. Baba Amar has often avoided reference to this Uni-cycle in his new teachings. He...<p>The Universal cycle of prophetic convenience.<br />
Baba Amar has often avoided reference to this Uni-cycle in his new teachings. He has attracted just one disciple with this non theorising. Manjit. <br />
I saw this coming a year ago and have posted on it somewhere on this very blogsite.<br />
Paradoxic Prophecy/Continual Coincidence <br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4b8f866200b2019-06-27T18:00:02Z2019-06-27T22:45:53Z777who probably listens to solo pan flute albums. Posted by: Jesse | June 27, 2019 at 09:04 AM. <<<<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlSQqAf7p6M...<p>who probably listens to solo pan flute albums.<br />
Posted by: Jesse | June 27, 2019 at 09:04 AM. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlSQqAf7p6M" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlSQqAf7p6M</a><br />
Posted by: 777 | June 27, 2019 at 09:04 AM. <<<<<</p>
<p>YOU SEE ?</p>
<p>777</p>Amar commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4b8f214200b2019-06-27T16:35:50Z2019-06-27T22:45:53ZAmarThanks manjit. I appreciate you falling in line. I'll get back you...<p>Thanks manjit. I appreciate you falling in line. I'll get back you...</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4944811200d2019-06-27T16:25:25Z2019-06-27T22:45:53Z777"where was Sawan Singh when they dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima?" @Jesse I didn't write Sawan prevented my wifes...<p>"where was Sawan Singh when they dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima?"</p>
<p>@Jesse<br />
I didn't write Sawan prevented my wifes murder !<br />
He gave her Darshan and Shabd and more</p>
<p>However WWIII - is just changing one neuron in the moron s brain</p>
<p><br />
777</p>
<p> </p>anami commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46b02ee200c2019-06-27T16:05:18Z2019-06-27T16:05:18ZanamiCharan Singh fit the stereotype of Satguru better than Gurinder Singh, but did I practice? No. I gave up after...<p>Charan Singh fit the stereotype of Satguru better than Gurinder Singh, but did I practice? No. I gave up after a while, convinced I could never live up to Maharaj Ji's good example. I found Gurinder's alleged activities confusing and upsetting at first, but then I thought, "This is a Satguru? Well, then what am I so worried about?" It was very uninhibiting. Also thanks to others here for expanding my view on RS and in their perspectives on meditation. It's back on eye level for me now, and practice feels less intimidating.</p>
<p>For Baba Ji initiates, no doubt, the issues are thornier, but sometimes in life you just have to work with the clay you're given. There's always the chance of a happy ending down the road, or that Baba Ji's as disgruntled with the present expression of RSSB as anyone here and going to extremes as a way of driving home the need for back to basics reform.</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46b02e0200c2019-06-27T16:04:25Z2019-06-27T22:45:53Z777https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlSQqAf7p6M<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlSQqAf7p6M" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlSQqAf7p6M</a></p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46b02d8200c2019-06-27T16:04:11Z2019-06-27T22:45:53ZJesse"where was Sawan Singh when they dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima?" Where are any of these guys when their...<p>"where was Sawan Singh when they dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima?" </p>
<p>Where are any of these guys when their own neighborhoods are crumbling? Their power seemingly doesn't even extend beyond the borders of the dera. Beas village is a crazy impoverished place where politicians are shooting at each other. It in no way resembles the foreign-funded and managed dera at all.</p>
<p>All these mock predictions by 777 are the cycle of prophetic convenience. When there's a positive event "His Grace" is the easy way to praise the random guru man. When there is no way to justify an event like a catastrophe, karma becomes the answer. Believers seamlessly (schizophrenically) switch between both modes.</p>
<p>I can appreciate it, actually, because I don't believe in truths, but it's annoying because I think 777 is a liar and a new age artist who probably listens to solo pan flute albums.</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46b024d200c2019-06-27T15:54:11Z2019-06-27T15:54:11ZJesse" checked your timestamp and that did happen the day before. What else can you share with us?" Yeah man....<p>" checked your timestamp and that did happen the day before. What else can you share with us?"</p>
<p>Yeah man. Let's find out what other top secret classified military secrets our resident insider can share with us. 777 KNOWS things man. Mystical things!</p>
<p>We need to get the Q Anon guys to scour through the book of Revelations and find out if 777 is unknowingly prophesying. It's all too much. His predictions are WAY too accurate. </p>
<p>777, tell us what else you know. Did Baba Ji personally win the war for Syria? Were there originally going to be 500,000 dead civilians, but out of HIS GRACE the number was reduced to 480,000? </p>
<p>Tell us everything!</p>Peter commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46b0113200c2019-06-27T15:36:48Z2019-06-27T22:45:53ZPeter Amar the answer to all questions is meditation. Rise above this realm and experience for yourself. Stop depending on others...<p>Amar the answer to all questions is meditation. Rise above this realm and experience for yourself. Stop depending on others for answers. <br />
And if you refuse to do that then next time to go to the cinema hall ask the director repeatedly why he made the movie the way he did. <br />
His movie...his mauj </p>
<p>Chill man<br />
</p>manjit commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a494445f200d2019-06-27T15:36:21Z2019-06-27T22:45:53ZmanjitAMAR wrote "Yes, it was me." Dear Sri Pooran Sant Satguru Maharaj Huzur Baba Amar Ji - thank YOU for...<p>AMAR wrote "Yes, it was me."</p>
<p>Dear Sri Pooran Sant Satguru Maharaj Huzur Baba Amar Ji - thank YOU for YOUR gracious revelation, it is more than enough evidence for me to accept YOU as my Holy and Merciful Master Baba.</p>
<p>I wasn't sure whether to accept YOURS or 777's testimony, but as YOUR most gracious and merciful intervention apparently occurred before WW3 was averted, and 777's claim on G-Units (The OG himself, Gugu) behalf several days after, I am forced to accept YOUR claim as the most eminent.</p>
<p>What other possible reasonable and rational conclusion could I come to?</p>
<p>I await YOUR most Gracious Glance. </p>Amar commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49441f7200d2019-06-27T15:06:42Z2019-06-27T22:45:53ZAmarIf GSD stopped Trump form pulling the trigger the other day on Iran, where was Sawan Singh when they dropped...<p>If GSD stopped Trump form pulling the trigger the other day on Iran, where was Sawan Singh when they dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima? Maybe he was sleeping due to the time zone difference?</p>
<p>Or, maybe it was me, when I said out loud to Trump while I watched the news: "You're not going to do something this stupid." </p>
<p>Yes, it was me.</p>Peter commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46afd7b200c2019-06-27T14:49:56Z2019-06-27T22:45:53ZPeter777 I checked your timestamp and that did happen the day before. What else can you share with us?<p>777 <br />
I checked your timestamp and that did happen the day before. What else can you share with us?</p>Amar commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4943e53200d2019-06-27T14:20:49Z2019-06-27T22:45:53ZAmarHi Jen. You didn’t answer my question if you would still tell your good friend to join that religion if...<p>Hi Jen. You didn’t answer my question if you would still tell your good friend to join that religion if the guru heading it was embroiled in a financial scandal.</p>
<p>So would you say do for it, or say stay away?</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46af1d3200c2019-06-27T11:57:17Z2019-06-27T22:45:53Z777@Manjit Only in this Universe ? - I had hoped 4somewhat more. :-). :-) Let's place a time_stamp on that...<p>@Manjit<br />
Only in this Universe ? - I had hoped 4somewhat more. :-). :-)</p>
<p>Let's place a time_stamp on that comment</p>
<p>It is the day that oddy trumpy stopped the rocket's 10 minutes<br />
before firing<br />
not quite difficult for our GIHF</p>
<p>I appreciated very much</p>
<p>777</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46af133200c2019-06-27T11:50:27Z2019-06-27T22:45:53ZSpence TepperHi Jen Those are simple truths well spoken. It has to come through someone, but as you point it, you...<p>Hi Jen<br />
Those are simple truths well spoken. It has to come through someone, but as you point it, you don't give anything away by acknowledging the beautiful and truthful expression of others.<br />
He got it from somewhere. When you cite others you get it from somewhere. What is important is the truthfulness, the resonance with one's own sentiment. <br />
</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46aefa2200c2019-06-27T11:30:47Z2019-06-27T22:45:53Z777Brian writes depressively : The humbling, brutal, messy reality is that you can do everything in your power and still...<p>Brian writes depressively :<br />
The humbling, brutal, messy reality is that you can do everything in your power and still fail.</p>
<p>I'm asking myself what effect it would have if we told youngsters<br />
from the start on The Truth, which is:</p>
<p>You are The Almighty One, Without Time, without hate, without fear, anonymously playing this with thoroughly applied amnesia, . . . ready to play.</p>
<p>This is what Gurinder means with ONE<br />
We are all that ONE playing myriads of LOVE games<br />
which will all end in an explosion of LOVE</p>
<p>HE (God) tried it once and saw that THIS was the best way of being, . . . . . . TO BE<br />
endlessly generating Love 4 everybody</p>
<p>Imagine, ONE success per Galaxy would be a lot but it's more</p>
<p>Some becoming atheistically depressed once in a while </p>
<p><br />
</p>One Initiated commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a49417dc200d2019-06-27T03:28:28Z2019-07-08T18:42:57ZOne Initiatedhttps://profile.typepad.com/oneinitiatedGeorgy, trust me that's actually the best weed around .. ha ha 😃 I know only a little. but you...<p>Georgy,<br />
trust me that's actually the best weed around .. ha ha 😃<br />
I know only a little.<br />
but you know it takes a lot of time to charge the roller coaster before it begins the show.</p>
<p>Take it easy guys,<br />
it's between the Master of the Universe and Courts of the Lucifer.<br />
don't get carried away, always attend to your meditation daily.<br />
</p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4b8af6f200b2019-06-26T23:12:29Z2019-06-26T23:12:29ZSpence Tepper I would add this thought, Dungeness. If Gurinder wanted to play act the role of criminal mastermind of an international...<p>I would add this thought, Dungeness.<br />
If Gurinder wanted to play act the role of criminal mastermind of an international financial fraud, a billion dollars, he's doing a masterful job. </p>Spence Tepper commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46ac372200c2019-06-26T23:07:21Z2019-06-26T23:07:21ZSpence Tepper Hi Dungeness My friends and family, whom I've discussed this story, are very sympathetic, for I've been Satsangi for some...<p>Hi Dungeness<br />
My friends and family, whom I've discussed this story, are very sympathetic, for I've been Satsangi for some time. </p>
<p>But they all believe as you have sarcastically written, that he took advantage of the situation to enrich himself. </p>
<p>I have no idea. He simply needs to pay his bills, and for me, all is restored. </p>
<p>But its only those on the path or close to the Master (at least in their heart) who are insulted by the possibility that he has human failings and human strengths.</p>
<p>Everyone else expects it. What you wrote sarcastically is how others from the outside see this. And they don't say "he's a crook" because they are polite. They look a me with concern and ask "what are you going to do now?"</p>
<p>But the presumption is there, and they might be right. </p>
<p>It is common for Gurus to be corrupt,but this is a recent development, since people are empowered to speak to their experience and to hold each other accountable.</p>
<p>But it is also common that the followers are the last ones to put it together.<br />
</p>Jen commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a494053b200d2019-06-26T22:56:39Z2019-06-26T22:56:39ZJenRecently in my youtube account, Recommended for me, there was a youtube by some guru, and I thought oh no,...<p>Recently in my youtube account, Recommended for me, there was a youtube by some guru, and I thought oh no, not another one, looked like Charan, with the turban and grey beard and moustache.</p>
<p>Anyway, watched a few videos and then lots more. I thought wow, this guy is on my wavelength, talking about taking back one's own personal power. Okay, no-one is perfect and he will also have his imperfections but here are some quick notes I took from one of his talks.....</p>
<p>There is no meaning, no purpose.</p>
<p>The Trap - self preservation and self imprisonment - sense of identity and security - work for balance - lose psychological structure which is the Trap, security, stability - Feel secure? its a Trap - don't look for a purpose - insane people have purpose in many ways - want to destroy the world - this is purpose - purpose of life is to live and to live totally - explore every aspect of life - ultimate freedom is the goal - the creator is everything - mukti is 'release, deliverance'.</p>
<p>If you are too full of yourself you are not conscious of Grace - grace is that which is the basis of everything - what makes life happen, we don't know - that energy, that force, which is making everything happen, we call it Grace - become sensitive, not ego sensitive, become life sensitive - we create illusions, with no illusions we are open to grace - no conclusions about anything, you will be soaked in grace - grace will work for you if you are conscious - Develop capability to draw sustenance from life - exude grace and it will attract - we are already in grace - all that is happening is grace - people take into themselves and then let nasty things out - learn the way of the tree and the rock you will exude grace - be capable of exuding the grace that you consume.</p>
<p>In future heavens will collapse but human longing will not stop, take charge of own inner experience, about dreaming, creating bliss, from self not from alcohol and drugs intoxication, which is regressive step.<br />
............................</p>
<p>If anyone here thinks I am giving away my own personal power like when I was initiated into Sant Mat, its not so. After watching this fella's videos I feel very self empowered and not in an egoistic manner. </p>
<p>If anyone's interested I will post one of his videos here.<br />
</p>marko commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4b8acfb200b2019-06-26T22:46:58Z2019-06-26T22:46:58ZmarkoHahaha That was good one Manjit<p>Hahaha That was good one Manjit</p>Georgy Porgy commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46ac00f200c2019-06-26T22:32:17Z2019-06-26T22:45:22ZGeorgy PorgyOne Initiated Yes I’m already inspired. Anyone that happy is on whacky weed, but 777 calls it the Shabd. Must...<p>One Initiated </p>
<p>Yes I’m already inspired. Anyone that happy is on whacky weed, but 777 calls it the Shabd. Must be good stuff. I believe one has to be veggetarian and no booze for 1 year before initiation. Thereafter it sounds like a permanent party if 777 is anything to go by. </p>
<p>I’d still like to know what his future lives are but he’s closed up shop.</p>Dungeness commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4b8aada200b2019-06-26T22:16:30Z2019-06-26T22:36:21ZDungenessI have to say it becomes a slippery slope trying to justify the actions of GSD based on the filings...<p><br />
I have to say it becomes a slippery slope trying to justify the actions of GSD based on the filings and the court order to pay the money back. </p>
<p>No, I don' justify any of GSD or his family's actions. The court's ruling is clear. <br />
They must repay fraudulent loans.</p>
<p>But, that thirst for fairness must extend to the accused to. The narrative here<br />
is unmistakeable: GSD is a greedy, low-life fake Guru at the nexus of all the<br />
fraudulence, who's therefore guilty, whose silence and delay in repayment<br />
make him a "Guru style mini Madoff". </p>
<p>But, as mentioned before, there has been financial criminality as well as an<br />
alleged death threat or two. In this fraught circus atmosphere, GSD's lawyer<br />
may well have counseled GSD to remain silent until the "opportune time".</p>
<p>Who knows the extent of complicity of GSD's other family members, the <br />
Godhwani's, and other shadowy bit players. Who knows to what extent<br />
anything GSD says or does would prejudice juries or seemingly exonerate<br />
other bad actors in this drama.</p>
<p>Of course, the omniscient here in Blog Court opine he should confess now,<br />
have a good cry with forgiving brothers and sisters, hastily liquidate all <br />
assets, auction the rest, and commence instantly a repayment plan. The<br />
Blog Brethren will put forth, out of pure love, a sermon for him on living a<br />
more saintly lifestyle too. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, speculation is rife in this "Guru's Gone Bad" contest. One has<br />
GSD "dying under house arrest" while awaiting sentencing. Another muses<br />
Ishwar Puri likely has a "side chick". Don't all guru's? References to Rajinder,<br />
the late disgraced Oregon Osho, etc. pepper the Blog "Hall of Shame". <br />
GSD has already been voted in. <br />
</p>manjit commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4b8a46b200b2019-06-26T20:43:58Z2019-06-26T22:36:21ZmanjitSpence wrote: "Do not fear that Master Brian Ji is adding zero every day. Zero after zero after zero. He...<p>Spence wrote: "Do not fear that Master Brian Ji is adding zero every day. Zero after zero after zero. He knows what he is doing. He is making an infinite truth out of One. How many zeros can you add?</p>
<p>Brian Ji has added all of them."</p>
<p>Okay, scrap that last comment of mine,. This above post is now hands down my favourite post of all yugas in all brahmands that have ever existed. </p>
<p>And very informative too. I was wondering who was making the truth around here. </p>manjit commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4b8a40f200b2019-06-26T20:36:01Z2019-06-26T22:36:21Zmanjit777 wrote: "Yesterday HE, BBJ GurinderJI has prevented a second time WWIII In fact HE does this all the time...<p>777 wrote: "Yesterday HE, BBJ GurinderJI has prevented a second time WWIII<br />
In fact HE does this all the time</p>
<p>777" </p>
<p>This is probably my favourite comment of the kali yug so far. </p>
<p>And very informative too. I've been wondering who's been thwarting my dastardly plans. </p>anami commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4b8a285200b2019-06-26T20:04:56Z2019-06-26T22:36:21ZanamiAll that money is in Sach Khand by now, its true home.<p>All that money is in Sach Khand by now, its true home.</p>Amar commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a493f2ef200d2019-06-26T18:34:22Z2019-06-26T22:36:21ZAmarGeorgy, you wrote: "Amar - but how do you know it’s the mind? Perhaps he’s an adept at surfing the...<p>Georgy, you wrote: "Amar - but how do you know it’s the mind? Perhaps he’s an adept at surfing the astral highways and byways of time."</p>
<p>Georgy, with all due respect, how on earth can you rationalize what 777 writes about past lives and so on, purely on face value, yet you doggedly dismiss GSD's court order to pay his loans back to the high court? So the courts have taken Malvinder's submissions and acted on them. Done. On record, Court ruling to pay the high court back. No disparaging remarks here, man. Just trying to circle your square...</p>Amar commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4b89a72200b2019-06-26T18:21:59Z2019-06-26T22:36:21ZAmarDungeness, you wrote: "The overwhelming crescendo of psycho-babble about GSD's greed and fraudulence belies that claim of "we don't actually...<p>Dungeness, you wrote: "The overwhelming crescendo of psycho-babble about GSD's greed and fraudulence belies that claim of "we don't actually know the individual players and only comment<br />
on news reports and court documents"."</p>
<p>I have to say it becomes a slippery slope trying to justify the actions of GSD based on the filings and the court order to pay the money back. We can only speculate at the level of money he is directly being called out on, since the bulk of it actually is in both of his son's names, and probably invested jointly with him. I have to reiterate, who cares how much. It's the fact that there is money owed. If it was owed, why didn't he pay it back? Why is the court forcing him and his family members to pay it back? </p>
<p>If a good friend came to you and said I'm thinking of following an Eastern religion with a guru as it's head, and asked you for your opinion, what would you say to the friend? "I did my homework, looks like he's involved in fraudulent money siphoning, under court orders to pay, along with his family and close friends." Would you advise your good friend to join the religion and start following this guru, in good conscience, would you really?</p>
<p>If it was my good friend, and I saw this about the guru, I would say hell no, stay clear! So honestly Dungeness, what would you tell your good friend?</p>anami commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46aaef7200c2019-06-26T18:20:41Z2019-06-26T22:36:21ZanamiRadha Bloggy<p>Radha Bloggy</p>George Porgy commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a493f18f200d2019-06-26T18:11:51Z2019-06-26T22:36:21ZGeorge PorgyYep Dungeness speaks the truth He’s more rationale than the atheists.<p>Yep Dungeness speaks the truth<br />
He’s more rationale than the atheists.</p>Georgy Porgy commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a4b8992f200b2019-06-26T18:07:35Z2019-06-26T22:36:21ZGeorgy PorgySo 777 what is your next life about? Ain’t it time for you to get off the merry go-around? Not...<p>So 777 what is your next life about? Ain’t it time for you to get off the merry go-around? Not diligent enough with the meditation?</p>
<p>Spence - what rubbish you talking now? Addition subtraction who cares. As 777 says 1*0 does not equal 1. </p>
<p>Jesse - What the guru has side chicks ? Ripper. Fantastic. Don’t be jealous. The female form should be admired. Wowzer. </p>
<p>Amar - but how do you know it’s the mind? Perhaps he’s an adept at surfing the astral highways and byways of time. </p>Dungeness commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46aacf5200c2019-06-26T17:59:49Z2019-06-26T22:36:21ZDungenessMy view is that the court has made its determination. Like Enron, we don't actually know the individual players and...<p><br />
My view is that the court has made its determination. Like Enron, we don't actually know the individual players and can only comment on the news reports and the court documents. They do not go away.</p>
<p> The overwhelming crescendo of psycho-babble about GSD's greed and fraudulence<br />
belies that claim of "we don't actually know the individual players and only comment<br />
on news reports and court documents". </p>
<p>But that's alright. Venting about scumbag Guru's is therapeutic as any mad dog or <br />
blog fetish-ist will tell ya... again and again.</p>Amar commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46a9953200c2019-06-26T14:36:42Z2019-06-26T22:36:21ZAmarIshwar Puri is a cool communicator, even at his old age. Has a different way of connecting to his audience....<p>Ishwar Puri is a cool communicator, even at his old age. Has a different way of connecting to his audience. I've seen quite a few of his Youtube videos, and he's not preaching, he's having a conversation. Very refreshing, not a like a sermon in Church or at an RSSB satsang, which can be a bit heavy and dogmatic.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, he's just a disciple of Sawan Singh who has attracted people to him because he has stories about him and is a great communicator. That's what draws people to him. Other than his different delivery of Sant Mat, he's just a knock off of RSSB.</p>
<p>Before you get your shorts in a knot about his initiations, David Lane did extensive experiments on students in his classes and was able to show them experiences with sound and light on their first attempt. Nothing magical there. He did this over and over with different classes over the span of a few weeks. Choose to believe in what you want to believe in. Use some discretion and do your homework.</p>7 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46a9918200c2019-06-26T14:33:47Z2019-06-26T22:36:21Z7Still paying back 2% <. . One life to go<p>Still paying back 2% <. . One life to go</p>777 commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46a980d200c2019-06-26T14:24:09Z2019-06-26T22:36:21Z777#Dun Without foreknowledge, finances are extremely difficult and with it, it's forbidden ( today UBS arrest : Bloomberg) I had...<p>#Dun<br />
Without foreknowledge, finances are extremely difficult<br />
and with it, it's forbidden ( today UBS arrest : Bloomberg)</p>
<p>I had a lot of experiences and and also saw family members <br />
being lucky and unlucky</p>
<p>Saints will never ask inner financial advice</p>
<p>It can be done on the lower chakra levels<br />
on the lower spheres level but not to low<br />
but you will have to pay for both karma_wise</p>
<p>it is as easy to lose 2billion when trading, . . it's all destiny!</p>
<p>@Amar<br />
When you really meditate as opposed to contemplation<br />
that is : when the inner dialogue ( thoughts ) are no more<br />
there are many possibilities<br />
No two meditations are the same</p>
<p>The best is (when allowed) let yourself absorb in the Holy<br />
Sound and go where that goes<br />
It is only possible by first unify by (love) with somebody<br />
already in a High Place ( time_space_environment )</p>
<p>But before<br />
there are so many adventures <br />
Masters give all the time specialities<br />
and 'knowledge' about former lives is one</p>
<p>This is not like remembering<br />
It is totally living that episode again<br />
You can understand by comparing with a normally dying guy who suddenly in a kind of flash sees his whole life again happening as if he is INTO it again</p>
<p>Real meditation is a lot of fun</p>
<p>But to me it seems difficult if one is filled with jealousy / even hate</p>
<p>Gurinder is innocent - HE follows the Mauj</p>
<p>777<br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Open Thread 21 (free speech for comments)'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e20240a46a90dd200c2019-06-26T12:53:23Z2019-06-26T22:36:21ZJesse"The blog choir expressed unambiguously that "He" GSD was guilty even before the HC ruling," Often times people are correct...<p>"The blog choir expressed unambiguously that "He" GSD<br />
was guilty even before the HC ruling,"</p>
<p>Often times people are correct and don't need officials to think for us. This was one of those cases, and yet you're still in denial about it. </p>
<p>When the subject is Gurinder, it makes you look insane to object to Gurinder being talked about. Most people here are ex satsangis, and we're not gonna focus on Godhwani or the Gurus sons and wife because we were never in those peoples cults, nor do any of those people have anywhere near the amount of status and power. </p>
<p>It'll probably be even harder for you to accept when you find out that Gurinder's wife has almost nothing to do with any of this other than having her name written on things she likely knows nothing about. </p>
<p>Your need for Gurinder to be less guilty than those around him is clearly more delusional than our observation that historically, the people in real positions of power actually have power and that they can misuse it. It's not a very revolutionary analysis and is maybe more true of religious figures. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that your savior Ishwar Puri has women around him who most of the sangat doesn't know about. Side chicks are essentially ubiquitous in the guru world.</p>
<p>Your repetitive protest sounds weirder and more desperate every time you repeat it. The more evidence coming out, the more your protests turn into Shakespearean deflections. Just accept what's right in front of you. Big men that you fetishize should be fetishized for their mafia personalities more than for being angels. Either way you can keep your fetish, Dungeness.</p>