Bad karma: Singh brothers may go to jail if RSSB guru doesn't pay up

I'd love to be able to listen in on what Malvinder and Shivinder Singh are saying right now about their uncle, Gurinder Singh Dhillon -- the guru of Radha Soami Satsang Beas. 

According to the India Supreme Court, it seems that the only way the Singh brothers are going to stay out of jail is if Dhillon repays a massive amount of money that was loaned to him by Malvinder and Shivinder, seemingly in a fraudulent manner involving the siphoning of funds from companies controlled by the Singh brothers and the guru's right hand man, Sunil Godhwani.

So says a NDTV story, "Will Send You To Jail," Ranbaxy Singh Brothers Told By Court: 10 Points."
Download Ranbaxy Laboratories: Will Send You To Jail Ranbaxy Singh Brothers Told By Supreme Court-10 Points

NEW DELHI:  The former promoters of pharmaceutical company Ranbaxy, Malvinder Mohan Singh and his brother Shivinder Mohan Singh, were told by the Supreme Court today that they could go to jail for disobeying orders to pay dues to Japanese firm Daiichi Sankyo. "We will go into the issue - why you violated our orders. We will send you to jail. We have given you a chance but you are unable to pay," the court said.

Here's the first three points. I've boldfaced the mention of the RSSB guru.

1. The top court was hearing a petition by Daiichi Sankyo which is seeking to recover Rs. 3,500 crore awarded to it by a Singapore tribunal in its case against the estranged brothers.
2. Last month, the top court had asked the brothers to inform it on how they plan to comply with the order passed against them by the Singapore tribunal.
3. One of the Singh brothers today told the Supreme Court that his assets can be sold and that he is yet to get dues to the tune of Rs. 6,300 crore from Gurinder Singh Dhillon, the head of the Radha Soami Satsang. "You may be owning half of the world but there is no concrete plan as to how the arbitral amount would be realised. You said that somebody owed you Rs. 6,000 crore. But this is neither here nor there," a bench headed by Chief Justice Ranjan Gogoi said.

In US dollars, Rs. 3,500 crore is about $505 million, while Rs. 6,300 crore is about $939 million. So a heck of a lot of money is at stake here.

It's difficult to tell what happens next in the financial drama, or more accurately scandal, involving the Singh brothers, Gurinder Singh Dhillon, the Dhillon family, and Sunil Godhwani, the guru's right hand man who was installed as the CEO of a company, Religare, that siphoned vast amounts of money into shell companies controlled by the Dhillons and close associates.

Everybody involved in this unholy mess has a different interest and motivation.

Daiichi Sankyo. The Japanese firm that won the above-mentioned $505 million award from the Singh brothers, after a court ruled that Malvinder and Shivinder covered up problems with adulterated drugs prior to their sale of Ranbaxy to Daiichi, wants to get the money they're legally owed. Likely Daiichi doesn't care how the Singh brothers come up with the money, so long as it is paid. If the Singh brothers go to jail, that means no money for Daiichi.

Malvinder Singh. He has filed a criminal complaint against the RSSB guru, alleging that Gurinder Singh Dhillon orchestrated the fraudulent loans, then made a death threat against Malvinder after his nephew refused to sign a "family settlement letter" that seemingly would have absolved Dhillon of the responsibility to repay the loans. Malvinder doesn't want to go to jail. He wants Dhillon to pay back the $939 million owed him. But...

Religare. The board of a Religare subsidiary has filed a complaint with the Delhi Economic Offences Wing alleging that the Singh brothers, Godhwani, and unnamed other co-conspirators (some of whom appear to be Dhillon family members) engaged in a conspiracy to siphon money from Religare into shell companies.

Religare, like Daiichi, wants to get its money back. And it seems that this will only happen if the RSSB guru pays back the money that was funneled to him and his family. So it looks like Religare and Daiichi are both competing for the same pot of money.

if I'm right, it's an interesting legal tangle.

Leaving Indian law aside, which obviously I'm not familiar with, it seems that Religare has the strongest moral case, since the money that ended up in the hands of Gurinder Singh Dhillon and his family came from Religare coffers. It doesn't seem right that Daiichi could be paid by the Singh brothers if the RSSB guru somehow was able to come up with the $505 million, since this was money obtained fraudulently, it appears.

Shivinder Singh. Malvinder's complaint says that at one point Shivinder was in line to replace Gurinder Singh Dhillon as the RSSB guru in exchange for Shivinder forgiving the money owed him by the Dhillon family. It's unclear whether Shivinder still has a close relationship with his uncle, the guru. What does seem clear is that Shivinder and Malvinder are at odds. Last year Shivinder filed a complaint against Malvinder that seems to be more or less a mirror image of Malvinder's complaint against Shivinder and others. 

Sheetal Talwar. He's sort of a bit player in this drama, being owed only $1.5 million by Gurinder Singh Dhillon. But he's also filed a criminal complaint alleging that a death threat was made against him by someone associated with RSSB.

Gurinder Singh Dhillon. The RSSB guru is a centerpiece of this scandal, but so far I'm not aware that he has made any public statements. Perhaps his attorneys have advised this. I suspect that he is hoping that even if his nephews go to jail, no one will be able to prove that he was involved, or even the ringleader, of the conspiracy to funnel fraudulent loans into the pockets of the Dhillon family.

Well, good luck with that.

In my opinion the odds are stacked against Dhillon, though there's a chance he could escape at least some of the criminal charges -- especially if he was able to repay the $939 million, or a big chunk of the money. That might be the price of Malvinder requesting that his complaint against the RSSB guru and others be dropped.

But if Dhillon was able to repay the loans, seemingly he would already have done so. Instead, it appears that real estate deals made with the fraudulently-obtained money have gone bad, or bad enough to leave the Dhillon family unable to provide the money the Singh brothers need to satisfy the Supreme Court and Daiichi.

The Religare complaint makes it quite clear that in addition to getting the money back that was siphoned out of this public company, Religare wants to get at the bottom of who orchestrated the massive financial fraud and benefitted from it. That's a finger pointing directly at Gurinder Singh Dhillon, since it is difficult to imagine that Dhillon's wife, his sons, or close associates would have engaged in the fraud on their own.

So my bet is that the bad legal karma currently focused on the Singh brothers will eventually migrate to the RSSB guru. Naturally I could be wrong about this. It's just an educated guess, based on what has been reported in the Indian financial press about Dhillon's involvement in this scandal.

Gurinder Singh Dhillon

Comments

[Radh(er Not) Soami]

Brian,

You are forgetting another party. ICICI Bank.
ICICI Bank moves Supreme Court seeking ₹250 cr from Malvinder Singh
https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/icici-bank-moves-supreme-court-seeking-rs-250-cr-from-malvinder-singh-1554331961819.html

To round off your list, you might want to add Fortis and ICICI.

-Radh(er Not) Soami

[Jesse]

Brian, as this drama unfolds I pay less and less attention to the details and there's something that I can't figure out here.

Has it been established that the Gurinder isn't included in the "unnamed other co-conspirators" that Religare has filed a complaint against, or is it possible that he's implicated in the case filed by Religare as well but we just aren't seeing his name?

[Radh(er Not) Soami]

The link here provides a good summary in a table format.
https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/daiichi-case-sc-not-satisfied-with-replies-filed-by-singh-brothers-119040500315_1.html

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Jesse
The religare FIR claims that those "others" who made unlawful gains, ie, the loan recipients, should be investigated.

[Arjuna]

@ spencer - no one else is going to be investigated here.

Watch this space

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Arjuna
You wrote
"@ spencer - no one else is going to be investigated here.

Watch this space"

Does it matter? Either way, does it have anything to do with the spirit in you?

Do you think Nam will evaporate as the corruption in RSSB continues to be documented?

Does the existence of God have anything to do with whether or not Gurinder continues not paying his bills and hiding from that? Even with friends help?

Or finds himself indicted and under house arrest?

Really it's a distraction from spirituality.

The arrow is already pointing away from RSSB.

Find someone else who knows about Shabd.

Yes there is a battle going on behind the scenes to put this all on Malvinder and pretend Gurinder and family never took a loan, never took thousands of crore.

But so what? Who cares how the battle of who can pay lawyers judges and police more goes?

You know the actor who wins the Oscar usually has a marketing team as part of the film production to promote their nomination and voting. Every nominated actor does. Who pays the most often gets the vote.

Even news articles in some journals are being carefully written to never mention Gurinder's name, even though he is directly named in Malvinder's suit and himself and family were the direct recipients of much of these unpaid monies.

It's no different here. Today the Gurinder faction is paying off some to protect their corporate control, and others are paying off to get those audits conpleted and wrest away corporate control. It's a money contest.

At this stage, RSSB leaders and Spirituality are so far apart, so entangled in private equity battles you could say RSSB and Spirituality divorced each other long ago.

Who did that? Who entangled Dera money in private equity?

Who started grabbing real estate internationally to create largely empty religious centers? And large homes for himself at those centers around the world?

It's really ancient history Arjuna.

To me it's already happened, and had nothing to do with spirituality.

People are actively trying to hide the truth, and some of those are prominent Satsangis. So what?

Your conjuction to Shabd isn't threatened in the least. That's completely different.

[In Search Of]

Spence, well said. As I mentioned in a previous thread, what is the end game to all of this? How has it affected one's faith, has it forced one to look with a clean pair of glasses, or a microscope at the happenings here?

Everything has an impact on our thinking. Those who have developed blind faith with the guru who can do no wrong, and they're blissfully ignorant to the facts, then good on them.

For those who aren't, maybe it solidified our gnawing undercurrent that something just didn't seem right.

For me, at the minimum, I couldn't get my head around the fact that RSSB was so squeaky clean. I grew up in it from a very early age and didn't know anything else besides RSSB.

After reading the excellent work of David Lane and his exhaustive research into the history of this faith and it's origins, things came together for me. Faqir Chand was a wake up call for me in particular.

Let's wait and see if everyone owns upto their liabilities. If not, depending on how this plays out it may just end up being the final nail in the coffin.

[Arjuna]

@ spencer - once again nothing is going to happen to him. Please don’t give me a run down if what has or is happening- I am aware. Having taking all that into consideration - let me say that nothing will happen to him. It’s the way things are.

That’s all I need to say. You have a very fertile imagination by the way.

[Spence Tepper]

Arjuna, it may take a bit of imagination to connect the dots, I don't disagree.

But it takes a full blown hallucination to believe there are no dots.

[Ocillator]

Another angle is the political angle. Rssb is a huge vote bank. And last elections there were whispers in the dera about which candidate was preferred. Election season is back in india. Punjab chief minister visited dera last week. Other parties are likely to follow. Cant help noticing this is a marked difference from earlier years when the message i heard at the dera was dont mix politics with spirituality.

[Arjuna]

@ spencer - we will wait and see. As I said he will be fine!

Connecting the dots lol. Ok Einstein 😂

[Mr. Curious]

Arjuna - India is changing. Gurus do indeed go to jail for doing wrong. They're not above the law.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43889797

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-46909655

Gurinder's going down!

[Jesse]

A number of high level gurus with substantial ashram estates were taken down in India recently. Only 2 are coming to mind, namely Bapu Ashrama and Ram Rahim Singh, but there have been others.
If this talk of "nothing will happen to him" is implying that Gurinder won't be punished, I think you're underestimating the changes happening in India right now.

While there still is a culture that protects big religious figures, they're certainly not untouchable. A billion dollars being stolen from foreign companies and local shareholders is so bad for the image of India that they'd likely be more aggressive than they need to be to make an example.

We'll find out.

[Meditator]

Mr Spence, Good morning.

Would it require us to extrapolate the happenings the events to proclaim that Guru jee would be behind bars. You are behaving as a modern Nostradamus prophesying RSSB future.

I believe that you have considerable inner access. With as much inner sight you seem to be taking direct orders from inner Guru to nail the outer Guru and you state that Mr Brian has been among chosen few as willed by the erstwhile RS Masters incldg the present one.

you seem to be in a hurry. Facts shall be facts now and then. We have tighten our seat belts to fight an abrupt landing which may be anytime now. Regards.

(Not sure, this might be filtered or excised. Good luck...)

[Mr. Curious]

Jesse, the below article lists several more incarcerated gurus. They include Narayan Sai, Gangananda Theerthapatha, Mehndi Kasim, Santhosh Madhavan, Swami Premananda, and Gnyanachaitanya. I also read that Swami Nityananda (Nitwit-nanda) is facing charges. The charges in most cases involve rape and financial fraud.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/the-fall-of-spiritual-gurus-from-gurmeet-ram-rahim-to-asaram/story-4fT2mWPF5h2w1JX4ZvR6DM.html

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Mediator
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this public scandal.
Anyone can interpret the facts currently available however they like.

Personally, I would like to see every individual who hasn't repaid their debts own up to it. We are all imperfect. But we should all be responsible. And there are laws to protect people from theft and swindlers. So the law should proceed with full transparency.

If there is a Seva to help Baba Ji pay his bills, let me sign up immediately.

Because the point is progress. And progress cannot happen hiding the truth.

My question for you is this. If it turns out that Gurinder really is guilty, a significant player in all this, and he acknowledges his role, commits to liquidating his personal assets to make good where he can, and asks for help, will you?

Will you forgive him and help?

This, it seems to me, will be the measure of true love. Your love.

So the threshing floor will separate those who love from those who do not.

Because to love a repentent sinner is far more difficult than loving God. Living A God is actually selfish. But loving God selflessly in service to the poor, injured and weak....The bliss is unimaginable.

Both are selfish. But one is an enlightened selfishness that gives rather than takes.

For that you must still see God even in the sinner, even when the sins are real.

I take all this effort to defend Baba Ji as the inability among those who claim to love to have a pure and selfless love.

Love the sinner, love the poor and the handicapped. Help them. Serve them. They will never be able to repay. But you will have your own reward.

If you cannot do that much, then of course, defend your love for the perfect. That is a thin love requiring very little. I don't see any spirituality in it.

[Jesse]

Thanks, Mr Curious. That article was packed full of really normal stuff. Funny how international media is so hyperfocused on Catholics when religious figures of all kinds seem to rape and molest quite a lot. A rabbi in Minneapolis just got caught trying to procure 13 year old girls for sex. Oddly enough, he's the only one who was arrested and won't do any jail time. Strange how that worked out. Hmmmm......

"Theerthapatha, a self-styled godman of an ashram in Kollam, was allegedly sexually exploiting a law student for five years on the pretext of conducting pooja (rituals). The woman took revenge on him by chopping off his penis, says this report in May. Theerthapatha allegedly exploited the woman for five years during visits to her family’s home in Thiruvananthapuram. Theerthapatha says he cut off his own penis as penance."

[Spence Tepper]

Just to emphasize this point, Meditator.
If it is so important to claim the Guru is God In Human Form, than isn't it equally important to claim the same God resides fully to the same degree in everyone?

If you cannot actually see the latter, then how can you know the former?

And if you claim on the basis of personal experience that you know Baba Ji Is God, where then is your experience of God in everyone else? God even in your cat or dog? Can they also teach you something, from their perfection?

If you can see that perfection in all, then why single out your Guru?

He has his wonderful teachings. His short comings do not take away from them.

If you love him because he is perfect, so does every starry eyed fan of every movie star.

It's emotional.

Try to see the unending miracle of this creation. It is bursting with miracles. All the laws of physics are miracles, and the fact that the entire creation is obedient to them is also a feast of miracles. And when we glimpse a law we didn't know existed before, but just as real as the other laws, that is a discovery. And such discoveries are miracles.

[Arjuna]

@ spencer - who is your guru?

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Arjuna!
Maharaji is my Guru.

And who is yours?

[Meditator]

Mr Spence,
Good morning.

Have got your point which defines the paradox in you that you always seem to be subjected to. We may be mere foolish emotional disciples as yet who are yet to reveal Him inside and therefore the difference between the perceptions that you and us inhabit are obvious.

Pausing for awhile. I have to rush for work.. Regards.

[Arjuna]

@ spencer - which Maharaji???

[Spence Tepper]

Hi Arjuna
Maharaj Charan Singh Ji....

And you?

[Jesse]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Rajneeshee_bioterror_attack

I totally forgot that Oshos followers,who according to Osho Robbins didn't exist, poisoned a bunch of people too in the "biggest bioterror attack in US history."

Why would a man who didn't want followers do darshan processions in front of his followers in a town he took over and named RAJNEESHPURAM aka Osho Town.

And if you don't think crazy ass Osho wasn't involved in the attack you're crazy. He ratted out his little chelas once they got caught yet afterward they all claimed he knew and encouraged the poisonings.

Find better buddhas Mr Robbins. And here's a tip in case you get confused- AUM Shinrikyo aren't the enlightened bodhisatvas they claim to be either and they also committed acts of terrorism.

[Arjuna]

Hello Spencer

You are lucky brother - I only saw him once when I was 5 when my mum took me to Beas and he got of his chair and walked right over to me and smiled (he folded his arms and looked deep into me).

I am initiated by the current master

[Meditator]

Mr Spence

Yes, I would be willing and I am no one to seek repentance.

I love each of the creatures like many others and I can not behave differently with my Guru irrespective of how He operates here.

'Main hoon param purush ko dasaa
Dekhan aaya Jagat tamashaa'-
A hymn by Guru Gobind Singh Ji.
I believe He fits into this very much.

Regards

[The Beloved of The SatGuru]

Question :

Given God's only focus on Love
would God accept a criminal, a murderer, a terrorist
loving Him
as His representative on this earth ?

S/He possessing enough pretentions, might
feel apt to answer

Think Ashoka, Akbar, the Sikh Gurus, think about history written by conquerers

The beloved of The SatGuru

[spencer tepper]

"Given God's only focus on Love
would God accept a criminal, a murderer, a terrorist
loving Him
as His representative on this earth ?"

Hi "The Beloved"...

We are all his representatives in one way or another. We are reflections of the divine, covered in karma. No one is higher than another, though some are more advanced in understanding things..

Brian, for example, is very advanced in understanding objective truth.

If you want to learn more about actual objective truth, and separating oneself from one's own superstitions, there is no better Guru than Brian Ji...But it's a painful process, I can tell you.

Yet you cannot make progress past a certain point on love alone. Because that love will bring you to the ugly truths also. Until you learn to understand that truth isn't ugly, whatever its form.

No true saint wants anyone to ignore facts.

And even a Saint must take on Karma to live here. They must live in that little human brain with human failings.

Unfortunately, whatever karma they do take on in order to be anchored to this place, they have to pay off before they leave. They have no karma to carry out. They are perfect souls in the sense that they will return to the source when they go.

So that means if Gurinder chose to take money, as a means if incurring Karma, it all must be paid back before he goes. There is no issue of a second chance. As a Saint he only adopts karma to be here. And that means he intends to pay it all off also. In one way or another. All the good love and devotion received, also has to be balanced.

It's a strange metric and in one sense makes no sense. In another it's perfect.

So Gurinder will pay those loans in one way or another. But most importantly, taking money and not repaying it is no model that you or anyone else should emulate. This is why Baba Ji's adventure will end with worldly justice.

He won't leave a fraud, and he won't leave with the lesson that a Saint is a fraud.

At least that's my opinion.

[Spencer Tepper]

Hi Arjuna!
You are as lucky as I am, and as anyone.

I believe to be here on this website is a blessing.

Even if Brian doesn't yet realize it, he is doing Master's work.

Brian is a guru in his own right, and there is a tough love lesson about objective thruth he's happy to provide when you are ready.

And you are here, so that's good.

I believe we are both blessed to read what Guru Brian Ji, as a humble soul, but unforgiving of superstition, writes.

And I'm happy to say I'm learning Master's lessons from him, also, Brian the divine Bulldozer of superstition and false beliefs.

[joshu-J]

Are these people actually serious about the stuff they put forward as facts?

[Brian Hines]

josh-J, yes, I'm serious about the stuff put forward on this blog. Let's divide it into two categories.

(1) Facts. What facts do you disagree with? There's lots of facts in my blog posts, including those related to the financial scandal involving the RSSB guru, his family, and close associates. If you disagree with those facts, which come from the Indian financial press and investigating authorities, please share your better facts so we can have a discussion about which facts are most correct. If it's a different subject you're referring to, the same applies.

(2) Conclusions based on facts. I and others do a lot of this also -- offering up conclusions based on facts. This is an entirely good thing to do. People can look at the same facts and draw different conclusions. As with facts, if you have different conclusions from what's shared on this blog, present your own conclusions and we can have a discussion about which conclusions make the most sense.

See, things are pretty simple when we approach things with an open mind.

[joshu-J]

I was referring to these doting disciples that put forward stuff like

"Even if Brian doesn't yet realize it, he is doing Master's work".

"Brian is a guru in his own right", and there is a tough love lesson about objectives"

"I believe we are both blessed to read what Guru Brian Ji, as a humble soul, but unforgiving of superstition, writes".

"Brian the divine Bulldozer of superstition and false beliefs"

Are these subjective delusions or facts?

[Brian Hines]

josh-J, in my view they are certainly FACTS. Facts that deserve capitalization to show how fact'y they are. Who could disagree with this praise of me? Certainly not me. Like I said in my previous comment, some people might come to a different conclusion, but naturally I prefer my conclusion.

[Jesse]

"Brian the divine Bulldozer of superstition and false beliefs"

Objective fact. Not even a metaphor.

It's hard to understand why anyone would question such a thing as self evident as the sky being blue, but I guess there are some born "colorblind" to divine bulldozers.

[Meditator]

Mr Joshu-j

RSSB doctrine is merely a superstition until self realised with bare inner eyes and which obviously can not be proven outside.

But merely on this superstition without an inner sight we, mostly ignore raw facts n figures even if related to appointed Guru/s then we may be following a superstition in yet another form available to us in many other spiritual shops.

Breaking a blind belief and than asking to love n regard the same person- put Him on a God's pedestal will never be easy for anyone. And Mr Brian and Mr Spence are hell bent to send this message to everyone.

I wish you go thru earlier comments of Mr Spence if u are new in this forum.

Hope u are not hurt. Regards.

[Jan]

What is the Dera inhabitants gaining from the RSSBassociation.
Are they using the money and power gained in the following to set up the homes and eduate their children from the donations from Satsangis.
And what of the free hospitals. Who funds them.
What of the huge solar network that they RSSB colony has who paid for that.
where does all the money come from to buy overseas realestate.