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February 03, 2019

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"So it makes sense for followers of a religion to entertain the possibility that what they believe could be untrue."

--They can't do that. It's all or nothing. You can't 1/2 believe. That's the same as no belief at all.

So when confronted they dig their heels in .. hard.

Brian, I'm going to go all devil's advocate and point out that religions do keep changing and evolving, all the time. Take the hundred and one denominations of Christianity, and especially the whacko versions that have cropped up in the US in the last couple centuries. That's change, that's evolution. Yet it remains crazy, for all that.

For that matter, take the evolving positions about so many things within the Catholic Church. That's change too. I don't think this change makes the Catholic faith any more reasonable.

Indeed, take the evolving theology of your RSSB, that has been so beautifully discussed here at your blog (thanks primarily to Osho Robbins and his intrepid questioning of GSD). That's change too! In fact, it's even one thing at one place and one thing at another (the version presented to the West vis-a-vis that followed back in India, as Osho Robbins has so often discussed) -- much like the laws of physics are of one kind at one scale (the macro end), and wholly different at another (the quantum end)!

What sets science apart is its reliance of reproducibility and falsifiability. Change per se, evolution per se, isn't necessarily really something to go for.


I agree, if only religions set themselves to clearly exploring mysticism, and if only they did it rigorously and entirely honestly (to the extent of clearly facing the possibility of their own irrelevance, if so warranted), then religions would have a great deal to actually teach us (if only in the negative -- and who knows, perhaps they may come up with concrete things as well).

Hi AR and fair comment.
For those interested I’ve just read one of the latest RSSB books (first for many a year) and it backs up what you were saying re how religions do or appear to evolve.
The book is called ‘From self to Shabd’ and is full of reference to a lot of the stuff Osho Robbins often points out. The text is full of terms such as ‘oneness, non-duality, awareness, formless, separate identity etc. There is even a chapter entitled ‘The illusion of a separate self’. Of course the book is big on connecting all this formless awareness and consciousness with shabd. However, on the face of it I’d say it’s an attempt to both get with the times and possibly repackage the teachings.
Best wishes

Hello, Tim. Thank you for your good wishes.

So the RSSB people are actually putting this stuff on their "official" books now, is it? Interesting!

I wonder how these religious types -- be it the RSSB faithful, or Catholics, or whoever -- deal with the cognitive dissonance on account of these changes? They clearly show up a past position as mistaken, these changes, after all, and how does that gel with GIHF-hood (in case of RSSB) or papal infallibility (for the RCCs)?

Of course, most don't stop to think about this sort of thing at all. And when they do, I suppose these people are adept enough at fooling themselves by keeping on shifting goalposts, so no doubt they do think up and swallow some narrative, some convoluted explanation, that does explain these to their satisfaction.

My good wishes to you too!


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