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December 03, 2018

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In my younger days, I used to be a bit of a religious nut.

Now I seem to have dropped some of the "religious" but not the "nut"

If you had met me when I was 20, I KNEW (or at least I thought I knew) that I had found the real truth, which was sant mat. The reason was that sant mat says "Don't believe, but SEE for yourself". I remember a big poster behind sant Darshan SIngh at one of his UK satsangs, which read "SEEING IS ABOVE ALL"

That was why I pretty much knew I was on the right path.

On top of that, I was meditating and seeing light daily. MY body would go numb.
All the signs were there that any day now I would arrive at Sach Khand
and I would finally meet the big guy.

If anyone listened, I told them about the truth.

Only when I had the awakening as I call it - did I realise what a trap I was in.

Previously I could see that all others were deluded except for your truly.

So at that time I too was on a mission to covert. It's only natural.

And if anyone questioned me, is was just not their time, and it was their bad karma.
Now I get that from sant mat followers when I question GSD on the mic, and I am not even saying anything against him.,

I will still engage with anyone who listens, but it's a lot harder to convert someone to what is essentially "nothing"

My motto would have to be
"Hey, come join my new religion, all about NOTHING"

Actually come to think of it - it sounds good.
Maybe I will start a new religion all about nothing and open my first ashram right opposite RSSB in beas!

Difficult to choose where to go then..🙃😉

Demonizing those who don't agree with you is the problem.

There's plenty of that to go around.

And I think the problem stems from ego. Feeling so threatened that we cannot acknowledge the grain of truth in our opponants' statements.

And that naturally leads to personal attacks.

It makes for very poor dialogue.

Yes, it's something of a puzzle, though on this site I guess many were drawn to the Sant Mat element. Others perhaps just stumbled upon it through surfing then wow – someone is threatening my beliefs here.

Apparently, the threatened beliefs are just the secondary reason for our outbursts. Having built up years of knowledge, facts, opinions and beliefs they become 'who we are' (or who we believe we are). From these mental ideas and images we assume a 'self'. Just as we protect our bodies we humans also protect our self construct, our mental contents – as though it were a real entity.

When physically threatened we respond physically to protect the body and when our mental store of information is challenged we react, usually emotionally (with a touch of logic thrown in) to defend this illusory self – because we feel it to be 'me'. When our 'mental contents' are threatened it almost feels like a physical threat.

Debates on theories and factual matters can be quite fruitful but debates on issues where beliefs are impervious to facts a sort of cognitive immunization takes hold. So the debates go back and forth – all in the attempt for participants to maintain there self structures. Truth and reality become irrelevant, what is important is the justification of 'me'. And what better way to strengthen the 'self' than to prove the other wrong – and 'me' right.

Spence, what you said makes sense when there are genuinely two sides to an issues. Like, whether tariffs are good or bad for an economy. But often there aren't two sides. (And most economists agree tariffs are bad, but at least an argument can be made for them.)

The Earth goes around the sun. There isn't any point in taking seriously those that argue the opposite. That argument was settled hundreds of years ago.

Likewise, global climate change is settled science. Those who deny global warming shouldn't be taken seriously, because they don't have any serious arguments to make.

Atheists consider that the same is true of the debate about whether God exists and whether life continues after death. There is no demonstrable evidence in favor of these religious tenets, so even though arguments can be made in favor of religiosity, they are very weak ones, and deserve to be treated as such.

I agree that we should recognize a grain of truth in opponent's arguments. But when that grain is extremely small, the recognition will be commensurate, very small.

@ Brian - I will no longer comment on your blog.

I wish you all the best.

Hi Brian
Your argument is correct as far as objective reality is concerned, and as far as we understand this mystery.

But belief is all about personal experience.

If I have a compelling dream, it's telling me something, in symbols.
Something about my own issues.

The choice to believe in God may simply be the peace and calm that anyone experiences in deep prayer.

That subjective experience is absolutely connected to an objective reality, which is how the brain operates, and what is healthy for the brain, and one 's Outlook.

If we can honor the utility and natural operation of that process for others, I think we can also open the door to acknowledging the difference between subjective and objective experience.

And that opens the door to accepting all sorts of belief systems as easily as we accept different preferences in clothing, movies and food. Some of that is of course based on how we were raised, or what we have discovered.

Because it is all 100% subjective, we can honor it in the same way we honor different cultures.

Indeed it is this true understanding, which only Atheism affords, which gives us the basis for universal respect and bother / sisterhood.

Atheism IS the path, understood correctly.


I am more of an agnost..
A not knower..
But I feel things,that's for sure..
Bhakti is not what one does..but what is just there..

Hello fellow space travellers, atheists included :)

I always find Alan Watts quotes very inspiring ...

“We seldom realize, for example that our most private thoughts and emotions are not actually our own. For we think in terms of languages and images which we did not invent, but which were given to us by our society.” 
― Alan Watts

“You are an aperture through which the universe is looking at and exploring itself.” 
― Alan Watts

“The art of living... is neither careless drifting on the one hand nor fearful clinging to the past on the other. It consists in being sensitive to each moment, in regarding it as utterly new and unique, in having the mind open and wholly receptive.” 
― Alan Watts

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