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September 15, 2018


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I know Katie.
She is very good in her insights.
It's enlightening to be ''rational ''about situations and idea's.
She does question everything and turn it around.
One can find her on youtube etc.
It's a sort of technique she found out.

Unified field of consciousness is the fundamental reality, it pisses off atheists, let it be so

Vinny, I'm an atheist and I'm not pissed off by the unified field of consciousness. In fact, I have no idea what this thing is that I'm supposed to be pissed off at.

I Googled that term, and just found a bunch of New Age bullshit talk. Where's your scientific proof for this unified field of consciousness? Send me some links from reputable peer-reviewed journals, then I might actually embrace this thing, whatever it is.

What is Reality - New Scientist - (set of ideas in our mind?) - (2:42)


Hi Guys

Just milling over being a lover of the ‘what is’. Depends on the perspective in my view. Jen rekindled my interest in Meister Eckhart the other day. Looking at a recent interpretation of his teachings, Milne says this: (caution - soul and God words mentioned!)
“For Eckhart it (Plato’s ‘ascent of the soul’), is represented in the form of a stripping off of all differences from God, of everything that makes the soul discreet from God, so that, the less it is something, the nearer it comes to God, so that finally it has nothing to distinguish itself from God, and so it can only be conformed to God… it is a journey to that which truly is away from that which only partly is and which is always in the flux of becoming but never in being” (J. Milne, Eckhart and the Question of Human Nature, Eckhart Society).
And of course one can’t go past Jiddu Krishnamurti for a cool take on what the barriers are to realising the ‘What is’:
“To understand that which you are, whether pleasant or unpleasant, the myth, the ideal, self-projected future state, must entirely cease. Then only can you tackle what is. To understand what is, there must be freedom from all distraction. Distraction is the condemnation or justification of what is. Distraction is comparison; it is resistance or discipline against the actual. Distraction is the very effort or compulsion to understand. All distractions are a hindrance to the swift pursuit of what is. What is is not static; it is in constant movement, and to follow it the mind must not be tethered to any belief, to any hope of success or fear of failure. Only in passive yet alert awareness can that which is unfold. This unfoldment is not of time”. (Commentaries on Living First Series, p. 127).

And for an example of the experience of ‘what is’ how about from D.E. Harding:
“And that Void is this void, complete and indivisible, not shared out or split up into mine and yours and theirs, but all of it present here and now. This very spot, this observation-post of mine, this particular “hole where a head should have been” - this is the Ground and Receptacle of all existence, the one Source of all that appears (when projected “over there” ) as the physical or phenomenal world, the one infinitely fertile Womb from which all creatures are born and into which they all return. It is absolutely Nothing, yet all things; the only Reality, yet an absentee. It is my Self. There is nothing else whatever. I am everyone and no-one, and Alone. (On Having No Head, Zen and the Rediscovery of the Obvious, p.24).

Well that’s my quote quota. Three views with clear similarities, that get deeper into the ‘What is’. Maybe there’s room for one in your next book Brian.

Best wishes

After reading Bryon's quote, I was reminded of an old fable.

A bar called Drummond's ( in Mount Vernon, Texas ) began construction on an expansion of their building, hoping to " grow " their business. In response, the local Southern Baptist Church started a campaign to block the bar from expanding - petitions, prayers, sermons, etc.

About a week before the bar's grand re-opening, a bolt of lightning struck the bar and burned it to the ground.

Afterward, the church folks were rather smug, bragging about " the power of prayer " ...

The angry bar owner eventually sued the church on grounds that the church ... " was ultimately responsible for the demise of his building, through direct actions or indirect means. "

Of course, the church vehemently denied all responsibility or any connection to the building's demise.

The judge read carefully through the plaintiff's complaint and the defendant's reply.

He then opened the hearing by saying :

" I don't know how I'm going to decide this, but it appears from the paperwork that what we have here is a bar owner who now believes in the power of prayer, and an entire church congregation that does not. "

What I have concluded from your Brian's blog and your comments that now a days satsangis belueve in criticism.Whereas ,Master taught that there is nothing real in the world,everything you see is illusion.
Soami Ji said that Only three things are real or true -Soatsang bkz it reminds us of our real home,Master who shows us the Path and Nam that will lead us to Our Real Home.Don't be misguided
by Brian .He is surely going to realise soon that he was wrong to leave his association with RSSB and wasted his 10 years in criticism.

Dharam, what you fail to realize is that people like Bombay already went through the believing phase.

Everything you defend she had to defend. Every justification you make she already made.

Then she moved on, just as Brian, Osho, Tucson and many others did. The believer almost never has anything important or new to offer because the believer is many steps behind those who left the cult.

@ Dharam : My knowledge of the original Sant Mat teachings is solid to the core. I hate to hurt your beliefs but you may not be aware that a Param Sant is infallible. It is written in the books, please read Sar Bachan.

The current RSSB Guru's financial scandal is unacceptable to any true believer of the original teachings.

Hundreds are having a hard time coming to terms with these revelations and so are you. If you are spending more time on Brian's blog than with your fellow Satsangis, something's wrong. You may not be able to see it, but you are in doubt. Don't bother clarifying unless you can sufficiently answer why a Perfect Living Master should approve the sale of company that is drenched in fraudulent practice. There is absolutely no rationale for this. It's very hard, and sometimes humiliating for RSSB members to admit to the outside world that this is wrong.

I have been reading some of your comments and I know you love your Guru. Unfortunately, your understanding of Sant Mat is radically opposite to what I've been taught. You aren't able to discern from the prism of the teachings because you aren't well versed with what Sant Mat truly is. Have you heard the story of Baba Sawan Singh, the Great Master tying his joora ( hair ) to an iron bar to keep him from falling asleep during meditation ?

Your ideas are rooted in feel good factors ... you need more depth of soul to truly understand the role of a Perfect Living Master. What seemed like the most spiritually cocooning of truths has been shattered.
It's time to move on.

Your blind faith will lead your astray. All that you need to know is already within you.
You will arrive at your own realisations once you return to the basics of what is right and what is wrong.

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