The RSSB guru likes to see naked women on the beach

Well, Gurinder Singh Dhillon and I have something in common: we both enjoy looking at naked women.

But the difference between us is that Gurinder Singh is the Radha Soami Satsang Beas guru, so supposedly is "God in human form," and I'm just ordinary me.

Here's an email message I received from a woman who found Gurinder Singh's behavior at "satsang" (a spiritual meeting) in India to be appalling. Again, it isn't unusual to hear men talk in this fashion.

However, one expects something different from a guru who is purported to have elevated his consciousness to an enlightened level.

In 2013 I visited Dera for the first time and made four more visits following that. My last visit was December 2017. Not sure if you have heard reports from other Satsangis regarding the 'Christmas' session last year, but it was appalling.

Gurinder’s comments and behavior during evening Satsang with the westerners went from somewhat off color to completely inappropriate. He bragged about flying around in his new helicopter and having his own private jet that allows him to avoid waiting in lines (among other luxuries). He asked us, "who wants to wait in lines?".

The worst part of the session began when his constant teasing and joking started revolving around bathroom jokes, nudity and how he couldn’t stop himself from looking at all the pretty girls.

He said, "Wayne, (Overseas Satsang Sevadar — not sure exact title), is always admonishing me not to make these sort of comments because of the reputation many of the babas in India have, but I just can’t help myself." He said beauty is to be admired. He even joked at one point that he was looking forward to his next trip to Ibiza and that he couldn’t wait to see the naked women on the beach.

He said it as a joke but it was still nauseating.

One evening in particular Wayne became very upset with Baba Ji when he made another bathroom joke about flushing the toilet and actually used the word "sh*t". He covered his mouth after he said it as if it were a slip of the tongue. Half the audience laughed and half looked shocked. Wayne looked furious.

I used to believe Gurinder Singh was a satguru and I felt great affection for him but after having spent several sessions in his company, my faith has been challenged by cold hard facts. There are so many more stories to tell... not enough time in this one email but it truly is a sham.

I hope in time light is shed on the true dealings of the current guru at RSSB. I have tremendous respect and regard for Charan Singh though.

However, there are a few things about Charan Singh’s will of successorship that seem odd to me. Like why does it keep saying he was 74 years old when, even by Indian calculations, he was 73 years old when he died. And the will was signed May 30th... then he died June 1st. Baba Ji said that Charan Singh chose to take a minor illness (I’m paraphrasing) as an opportunity to "go home". That whole sentence raises a lot of questions.

All I can say is I really hope that someday soon Gurinder’s financial and moral decisions are brought to light. 

Best, Sarah 

Comments

[Sarah]

@Arjuna
Yeah, I thought Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a child and/or got married... who knows, it was so long ago.

Religion/Guru Worship is like marriage—some people settle down and just make the best of it while others say this is toxic and I’m getting out. Of course there’s a lot of in between. Occasionally there are very happily married people. I love my husband very much but it’s taken 18 years of making each other crazy to get to this point. It’s been very difficult but we’ve finally established boundaries and are able to enjoy each other’s company because of that.

The problem with “God” is there are no boundaries (I say that tongue in cheek).

[Arjuna]

@ Sarah hello - yes it is a long time ago and it’s irrelevant now.

Yes I’m I like your “boundary” word - very apt

I always ran away from love and now that I seek it - it is elusive. It’s a journey I guess.

[Jim Sutherland]

Arjuna, I served in the U,S.A.F. as an Airplane Mechanic , but never saw Combat, nor had to kill any other human to survive. But, no doubt at all, I would have did what any other Soldier is trained to do in Combat. Our Marines, Seals, and Special Forces are trained lethal killers. But I doubt you will find a single Sant Mat Initiate in those Groups.

Marko, I like music as well. I have 15 different Guitars, three 5 String Banjos, a Yahmaha 3 Deck Organ with all the various Instuments on it, plus I have 6-8 Harmonicas, Tremolos and Professional Blues Harps, plus 6 Native American Indian Flutes, hand made by Natives, and a Set of Pan Pipes, a Mandolin, and a few other odds n ends. I have never been in a Band, nor read music. I play be ear, and can listen to a Tune, and quickly Parrot it on most of my instuments. I am self taught,.....by my Inner Master. I live in a small apartment with limited space, so I don’t leave much closet soace for cloths! My wife obviously complains.

But, at 76, I ride an 800 lb. Harley with a 96 cu.in. Engine, plus my Can An Spyder Trike. So I still fit in to my Big Boy Pants. I have put almost 3000 miles on my Harley the last several months. But I got my Trike back a couple of days ago, so will be riding both of them now.

777, I don’t know much more to share with you. You appear to really be intrenched with Sexual thoughts and interests. IF Mary Magdeline was a Prostitute, Jesus forgave her, then told her to go, and SIN no more. So, selling or giving sex was a Sin, in the mind of Jesus, and he was not joining the Orgy, but condoning the Sin. So, all Mary had to do was STOP doing what she was ashamed of doing that she confessed to Jesus, and she would no longer create any new Karma. Real simple to understand, with out imagining false stories about what happened 2000+ years ago to justify what you do now.

Regards,
Jim Sutherland

[arjuna]

@ Jim - honoured now to meet you on here Sir.

"Arjuna, I served in the U,S.A.F. as an Airplane Mechanic , but never saw Combat, nor had to kill any other human to survive. But, no doubt at all, I would have did what any other Soldier is trained to do in Combat. Our Marines, Seals, and Special Forces are trained lethal killers. But I doubt you will find a single Sant Mat Initiate in those Groups."

I agree with you that the Special Forces would not have an Initiate. That is whole different brand of animal. I want to leave and paint as I find solace there. I think it was Picasso who once said that painting washes away the souls dust...

You are a rider too-impressive. Keep it and well done for exploring all your other hobbies like the musical instruments- these things keep you sharp.

All the best.

[Arjuna]

@ Marko and Jim

Check this trailer out for a new movie on vegan athletes it is wow

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bMQ1rzz9t5w

[777]

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@JIM

Arn't You Sir afraid that You are a little bit wrong ?

Because if it's a little, . . you are entirely wrong
and we can't have that , . . at our age

777

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[Sarah]

@Arjuna
I notice you keep saying you’re always running away from love. You don’t say that you’re searching for love... A lot of people are looking for love—searching for it, not running away from it. You want to find that love but are afraid of finding it. Why?

You don’t have to answer that. Just an observation. :)

[Sarah]

@arjuna/everyone
Ignore my last comment... don’t know what happened to the comment thread. Sounds out of context now.

[Sarah]

@777
Something you said keeps going round in my head—you said (I should copy and paste in quotes here but can’t find it) you did simian ALL THE TIME. That simran was essentially the one thing you did exactly as your master instructed and it got you to where you are. Am I right? Do you really hear the sound ALL THE TIME? Are you always happy and/or at peace? Maybe the names aren’t foreign to you... they were always awkward and difficult for me to repeat in my mind because they felt so awkward—so foreign. I can do simran and my mind will actually speed up and start racing. So, I’m always amazed at people who talk about the peace and comfort they get from simran. Maybe I’m a complete hethan but even simran didn’t bring me peace. I try(d).

[777]

Hi Sarah

Yes
At and after initiation , I really thought : Hééé that's something I can do.

I had a strange experiment - there was a heavy tron door for trucks
close to where we lived and where my wife had that visit from Charan
( while he was in India )
He appeared with RayBan, Parker ballpoint, watch ( haha ) iron arm ring
and stayed 90 minutes and explained the Path in dutch
and she asked 100 questions and was thrilled afterwards
We were not married but would certainly have divorced at that time
I wanted initiation - SHE definitely NOT -
Then all reversed - I think I already told some of this and many other great stories
that really happened

OK, so i started my first meditation/ repetition there and . each time at the second word that giant iron construction started to bounce
I will never forget that !
Anyway . . . it gave an idea of what power was in these words.
So I made a super-habit of it
Wrote it down hours - in the car on my casettes
and of course in business - I couldn't cut it - and suddenly our life
changed - ok

It still do it
Even while the nature of these words are integrated in every cell of my body
Until much later here in France where I live 40 yrs now
the Sound appeared and héééé this Sound id identic to those words

Yes , . . . I recently advised here : To start, even if you are not initiated
try 'silence'
YOU CANNOT

There is a lot of residue sound in yr head !
Next take days/months to select one of them
When you have the words : Lay them on what you hear ( above yr eyes )
not the ears
Interferencia will occur - It's almost as a kid playing with his Marklin train
we can play
I guess I'm at the preaching frontiere now
Let say
Ask me some
Google my verfy old comments here Hinessight_etc + 777

You are so blessed being sceptic
Now U can really enjoy - So much to come
777

(didn't correct much the english )

[777]

"" Maybe the names aren’t foreign to you... """

Yes foreign
Later I discovered that thes names in themselves are of little/no importance

It is the GIVER that counts and what HE is capable to put in

HE could as well hv give: PEPSI COLA COKA XEROX SWEETY
and it would work

Little thing about your Gurinder "Nice Guy" earlier
Leave it there - You can never see what is ment with GIHF
until you see it yourself
HE surely doesn't know - but HE sees how it works for Himself concerning Charan
No wonder they are so uncertain at the start - Who wants such a job :-)
I think at the start You feel like a zombie
God keeps them humble but WITH SERENDIPITIES just enough to go on
777

[arjuna]

@Sarah- Hello. I will answer you but please be warned that it may be hard to understand what I am going to say. So I am going to say it in bullet points.

"@Arjuna
I notice you keep saying you’re always running away from love. You don’t say that you’re searching for love... A lot of people are looking for love—searching for it, not running away from it. You want to find that love but are afraid of finding it. Why?

You don’t have to answer that. Just an observation. :)"

1. I lost my parents at a young age and never really had mentors(s). Being born into a RSSB family did not help as I was surrounding by fakes- not tkling about my parents. Even the ones who did try and help from the community had more demons in them than me. I now look back and think why was I going to people who were stuck in a hole themselves and seeking advice, love and compassion? Jim had helped in a thread yesterday by telling me something I knew but perhaps needed him to say in that no one is going to save me bar me! I do have a lot of love to give...that's all I do - show compassion.

2. I heard Master say at Haynes in 2005 that "the Lord gives you people and relationships here so that you may learn to love". At that stage my demons took over and I got up and left and drive out half way through. The point with hindsight is that if I have no reference point to what he is saying - its gobbledook as far as my situation is concerned. Anyone I loved or could have loved are DEAD!

3. The life a child has determines a lot in adulthood. I may be damaged hence what I do for living - who knows. Now to answer your question- yes I am afraid! If I find Love how do I recognise it when I have known falsehoods all my life. Will I run away as I have now convinced myself that love is for other people? Who knows.

4. I did consider writing master a letter - but decided not to. All I would have got is a sarcastic response. He must understand that there genuine people out here who are seeking love and truth. I cannot remember my past lives but am doing my very best in this life to be a good man. To what end??? When I see people of suspect characters with him - I think this is a joke really. That statement of master keeping the ones who may wonder off close to him does not impress me. What a crock of shit!

I could go on but the above was a taster of the human psyche.

As I said above it looks like it is all down to me! ha. Good job I have the training to stay strong!

All the very best.

[arjuna]

@ Sarah - I do love Master when he says:

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience."

However it is a quote by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. (1 May 1881 - 10 April 1955)

[Sarah]

@777
“there is no difference between the attachment for a cup of tea at 3 oclock
and sex attachment”

I think there’s more to this than just attachment. One’s Spode or significant other isn’t going to get hurt if you have a “tea attachment” but if you are lusting after another woman or man it could cause lots of jealousy and pain for your partner. That would incur even more karma. Thoughts are the precursors to action. Once a thought (especially of lust) is planted in your mind it can quickly manifest into action and lead to sexual affairs. If one is listing over tea, probably the worst that can happen is they may get stained teeth (if they’re drinking a lot of black tea)...

This morning I woke up and the first thing that hit me was something Great Master has to say about lust... and sorry I can’t even paraphrase it because it’s been so long since I read it (and we don’t keep many RSSB books anymore), but I do remember him saying something very harsh about sexual lust and how rapidly one regresses on the spiritual path because of it. Maybe someone else here remembers what GM said about it, can quote it or has one of the books he wrote. ??

[Sarah]

Sorry for all the typos and misspellings. I often type from my mobile device which makes it harder to see the entire post...

[777]

@777
“there is no difference between the attachment for a cup of tea at 3 oclock
and sex attachment”

You are right Sarah

I should have said :
@777
“at the time of death, weather in meditation wether for real
there is no difference between the attachment for a cup of tea at 3 oclock
and sex attachment”

And yes Sawan adviced a horny man to double his meditation

And yes Charan said ; A bucket with many holes is difficultly to fill

and then I think - sorry for that

unless it rains

RS

777

I have no pretentions and like women very much at all times

[Arjuna]

The saints like kabir and tulsi would disagree with the statement that a 3am cup of tea and sex desire are the same. Lol.

They state that the lieutenants who give out punishment make you hug hot pillars for example by putting you in a body with is more receptive to pain and then send you back in animal forms where the mind can enjoy sex. Oh yes the beatings they give out

I prefer the cup of tea 😊

[777]

Now I grep why you suffer
You doubt about present holy but emrace the middle ages
Cheer up a little man, . . Arjuna

Be happy

Don'hurt and u will be fine
Love and you will even feel better

777

[Arjuna]

@ 777 I don’t hurt anyone and I love all

[Arjuna]

Ps what the lord said in the Middle Ages is still relevant today.

And I am cheered up - lust is a gate way to hell. Simples it’s that simples.

Have a good day

[777]

Good Karma then Arjuna
btwsufferings after death are always mental
One feels what s/he could have done for more joy THERE
and one cries his heart out

777

[Arjuna]

Joy is only with the divine and not creator of this universe - I seeking nothing what the creator of this universe has to offer.

Some if is what out and go back home to the original source whence we came. That is why I sought initiation from Gurinder.

Speak soon busy go

[Jim Sutherland]

@777,.........considering your desire is Sex, at 81 years old, you must need to walk in to Houses of ill Repute ( Whore Houses) carrying big bags of money before Prostitutes will stand in line to satisfy your lusts.

But, fear not, The Lord will give you the Desire of your heart. If unbridled, Sex is what your Desire is, as it seems to be, as you keep confessing , then don’t complain to The Lord if you Transmigrate to some lower specie.

Perhaps you might awaken as a Male Rabbit in a Tea garden. HaHa

“Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart.” ( Psalms )

Cheers,
Jim Sutherland

[Arjuna]

@ Jim - Christ - even said that if thine eye offend thee....

All is lust talk is boring me - not aimed at you. I have seen Pervy savedars masquerading as guardians of the lords temples here on earth to last me a life time.

I get offers all the time as I’m built like a brick shitshouse but I turn them down as it’s rather hot downstairs and we ain’t here for ever.

Hope you are well my friend and thank you for everything. You mah have saved me from me 😀

[Arjuna]

On a final note from me the Great Master used to say that keeping purity during youth is half the mediation required.

Say no more - night all

[Jen]

Sarah says "This morning I woke up and the first thing that hit me was something Great Master has to say about lust... and sorry I can’t even paraphrase it because it’s been so long since I read it (and we don’t keep many RSSB books anymore), but I do remember him saying something very harsh about sexual lust and how rapidly one regresses on the spiritual path because of it. Maybe someone else here remembers what GM said about it, can quote it or has one of the books he wrote. ??"
......
Spiritual Gems: Chapter 24
There is antagonism between Nam and kam. Nam is another name for Shabd, and kam means sex lust. Nam or Shabd lifts the soul inward and upward, and kam pulls it downward from the eye centre.
......
Man dissipates himself and his energies in sexual intercourse. He would be healthier if he were to conserve this energy and would be godlike if he were to use it in spiritual uplift.
......
hmmm 'godlike' - someone should mention this to Gurinder !

[Jim Sutherland]

@777,.....maybe The Lord will give you the desires of your heart next life in a fast way to burn your karma created during this life.

He might put you in a Litter cute Puppies, as a Male. Then, as soon as you start lusting at the females, your human Master will rescue you from the Kennel.

He will take you home and Sterilize you so you can never have sex again. You will only be able to look, but unable to do any thing,......same as you do now. HaHa.

Then, after a Dog life of Celibacy, Charan will plead with Kal to release you back to a human Reincarnation , this time, as a Muslim Female, in Pakistan with a Taliban husband.

Any thing is possible, with The Lord, as His WAYs are secret ways only shared with his Prophets.

@Arjuna, stay safe on the Battlefield. And don’t let any one try to crap on you, just because you look like a “ Brick Shit House.” Delight yourself in The Lord, and He will give you the Desires of your heart,...i.e. HIM, if He is your 1st Delight!
Cheers,
Jim Sutherland

[Dungeness]

Man dissipates himself and his energies in sexual intercourse. He would be healthier if he were to conserve this energy and would be godlike if he were to use it in spiritual uplift.
hmmm 'godlike' - someone should mention this to Gurinder !

No, no, no... what "cult" would be worth its salt without the odd
sexual innuendo to spice things up.

Of course, talk is cheap, you need to catch the holy ones in the
act of, um, dissipation. Otherwise, who knows, they may be
conserving energy and rising godlike while other minds remain
in the gutter.

[777]

Jim
I know already how, where and when I will be reborn
Yes , . . . one life to go

Your rabbit stories, give them in Church

Unbelievable, . . I'm on an anti God forum
and everybody tells me my future

LOL

but you have good luck, because I not yet
found sin in one of you
neither in me

Remember :
At Death you just go where your hart already is

My heart is quite well in the beauty of this earth
and so much more in the sweet Shabd Dhun becaus it is ME

777

ps
next round Jim, come on :-)

wasn t that honest

[Jen]

Dungeness,

Isn't it disappointing to read Sawan Singh's advice and then compare it with what we hear about the current Sant Mat guru's behaviour?

You say: "Otherwise, who knows, they may be conserving energy and rising godlike while other minds remain in the gutter."

Maybe in The Great Master's day it was not a "cult" but a true spiritual path with Sawan as a genuine godlike PLM. I do hope so anyway and continue with my own purity so I can become a goddess - joking ;)

[777]

Apperently a lot of individuals were triggered

At least , at last , This feels much better than to be put on the gaddi by readers

Btw
I enjoy and so very much but my lower chakras stay healthy & calm
at my age, as you said

I hope you learned some, . . . specially on the judging side

I see God , my Master and His Sound in everything, also in you
dear sister and brothers

777

PS
OMG , Women are beautiful, Thank You, and men -must admit Too

[Dungeness]

Isn't it disappointing to read Sawan Singh's advice and then compare it with what we hear about the current Sant Mat guru's behaviour?

Ishwar Puri relates his own eyewitness account of Sawan SIngh
giving exactly opposite advice to two fathers re: marriage of
their daughters. Different culture, earlier era of course. So I'm
guessing the risque jokes, sexual openness of today are not
random at all but have specific intent depending on audience.

What may be germane is how much energy and judgment
they stir up. We create our own narrative about who the
GIHF is and how they should behave. Then we start to doubt
when there's any dissonance with what's "proper".

For instance, a few years ago I heard a male put the
question to Gurinder "They say you have to marry the one
you love and I love you. So....?" Gurinder, with a limp
wave of the wrist gesture, responded something like
"Oh, you silly bunny."

I was shocked. Even more shocked when I later found myself
laughing and shushing it. After all was that really "proper"?
Maybe the questioner was having a bit of fun asking it and G.
responded in kind.

Mysticism is very serious of course. Maybe the whole audience
needed a joke to lighten up. According to Ishwar Puri, Sawan
Singh loved humour. Gurinder seems to as well.

You say: "Otherwise, who knows, they may be conserving energy and rising godlike while other minds remain in the gutter."

Maybe in The Great Master's day it was not a "cult" but a true spiritual path with Sawan as a genuine godlike PLM. I do hope so anyway and continue with my own purity so I can become a goddess - joking ;)

Even if it's not, one day we can laugh at the ridiculousness of it all :)

[One Initiated]

Dear Jim,

Thanks for responding to the questions.

So I believed that you believe to trust things past the globe ONLY.
and not earlier - however you are encountering them so must be the judge.
But then I feel that is not even much worth spending the time in there ? isn't it ?
because then these are the exit points before the Crown and are not useful.

As what has always been told - to see through the eye (singular) - not with the eyes.
Post the black hole, the real game starts.

Related to the above conversations:

"Then, after a Dog life of Celibacy, Charan..."
Jim, I found that comment as Grossest Of All Times !!
this is GOAT of this churchless blog :) (in the -ve shade)
If you look closer, you value your rubaroo incidents
with the Hazur (and I value them as well - Arjuna, I had my first one when I was 8 years old in the school assembly ... and after I got Initiated, I am having amazing ones with current Master)
I think in your efforts above you've also insulted the Hazur didn't you ?
Specially when HE is always present inside.

Anyways, that's b/w you and 777 and I am not stepping in,
that you both are much senior than me and I don't want to be too blunt and I shouldn't.
(the way I can be to Jesse - :P )

[One Initiated]

Dear Brother Arjuna,

I hope you are healed up and doing better now.

I understood from some of your comments - the pinch of salt.
Some offending comments are sometimes targeted only to offenders.
For there is sometime no other way left to open the eye,
by just throwing a glass full of water on the face.
In the first instance, it appears so offensive -
but when it's realised the waking up was so essential
as the house they are sleeping in is on fire - the person turns grateful.

And I think it's ok - as long as the humour is perceived.
If taken too seriously - and if people are so serious,
why don't they take their meditation seriously - for the abundance of treasure is awaiting ?

I always consider you as brother and always wish for your
physical, mental and spiritual well being.

This blog is an interesting space,
and everybody's purpose of being here is a bit different than other.

I am not here to seek anything, just to share some tidbits
which sometimes can be helpful for some, sometimes offends too.
still helpful in a subtle way.

I repeat, Masters orders never change.
The order from the day 1 of Big Bang:
- Do NOT Stay away from Shabd for at least 2.5 hours

More added suiting to the time and age.
Not even need mention if this one is followed well,
all other will automatically get aligned.

You wrote:
"And if you had - you would know he is telling the truth. They say that you can see truth even when you get back in the human body"

Ofc there are many many things which I can not (I have not been allowed to yet) share,
like many other senior members who do share.

I know you have been through a lot of ups and downs in
your thought processes in last few weeks.

Finally what all going to matter is the sincere time we are spending inside,
not how sincerely/jokingly/abusively we are discussing outside.
Some outer words of companionship still do wonders sometimes -
still all temporary and perishable - just like this world itself.
Lasting impression is only going to come from inside -
only if we are determined to spend quality time with our own self (inner).

What I can only tell you that present Master is a true Master,
and that is being realised on me over and over again,
and in each and every (literally drop dead every) Satsang I attend.
And just magnificent.

But how does that matter for anyone else,
even if I share here - will they be believed upon ? No.
There are already some commenters here who have much bigger and grand
experiences and they still receive the insults and bashing (e.g above)

You can see how the believers here on this website
consistently receives the heavy doses of insults.
It's not easy to withstand all this negativity. But it's still ok.
We are all brothers and sisters,
some wrapped in the golden fragrances,
some with the ghosts,
some with their own venomous vomit.
And some in confused state, like a sine wave - always up and down
wanting to settle down on the axis, as soon as they do - the next crest or trough shakes everything..
and are just waiting to be wrapped up in something :)

We are all going to be fine, some will get fine sooner and some later.

Every saint has a different style:
A disciple doesn't have smallest right to tell the Saint to adopt a particular style.

A monkey should not tell a whale how to swim.

GSD is really the coolest of all till date
And HE is magnificent and also very stylish.

The thing in GSD's style is that
HE doesn't give a damn on what the skeptic thinks of HIM or HIS proceedings,
HE is always bold and blunt.
If someone who doesn't even sit on meditation,
comes up in QnA and asks HIM the question on Spirituality,
that's a given case of sarcastic response.

Whereas if someone is deep inside
and comes up with a real question being in real feel,
HE is going to give an amazing solution to his query.

From one of the QnA I attended:
I've witnessed quite different answers from Babaji,
to the almost similar questions from two different individuals.
HIS answers reflects the state of the asker.

You think if somebody who has performed a 69 act last night,
and still in it's ecstasy, the next morning,
maybe to fool himself and the audience,
pretending to ask the meditation/spiritual questions to HIM,
what GSD is gonna reply to that person ?

On the other hand, someone who attends to his meditation regularly,
and has always HIS remembrance inside and always full of love,
I have seen HIM responding intensely to that person's questions.

I have attended the following ones myself:

Q1.
Once a child asked HIM:
"Babaji I can not focus on studies.."
HE replied: "where is your focus then..." (with a smile)
the kid tried to skip the question by changing the subject.
HE again: "you didn't reply my question yet !"
the kid kept silent and didn't say anything.
HE: "Son this is your time to study, if you don't do it right now"
"You will have to repet for life."

Q2.
A child (almost in weeping voice): "Babaji I want to see you inside. Pls give me your darshan".
HE: "Smiled.." and the whole sangat was smiling.
HE: "Don't you like this appearance ?"
kid: "I do, but.."
HE: "You do? then the inner one is much more grand" (with a beautiful smile)
... silent all over.
HE: "Beta focus on your studies right now and once the time is apt everything will be given."

Love to everyone.

[Jim Sutherland]

Gurinder Singh’s Satsang given in Durban, South Africa, July 2018:

To those who still say Gurinder has not changed the Path of Radhasoami from what Charan, Sawan, and Jamail taught, read closely what he was reported to have said by some one who attended the Satsang, Radhasoami is touted as The Path of Light and Sound! But Gurinder now says that Seekers don’t need to see Light or hear Sound. They just need to meditate. He says light & Sound makes us over confident. Gurinder has obviously jumped the Track Rails of the Sach Khand Express, and has directed his own Train to some location where Light & Sound are not necessary. But where? I’m not getting on his Train, so I don’t care. I never bought the ticket.
Sarah and her So. African husband must have attended this Sat Sang, because she posted that they had just recently returned from So. Africa.
@777,....Did you attend also, condidering your So. African 777 Avatar Affiliation I posted that you never commented on?

Here is the Satsang.
“Babaji in South Africa 7/20/2018
A guy wanted to know how to recognize the ruler of the first region during his meditation.
Babaji explained that it was just a way of explaining our journey back home, but actually we should only be concerned about our destiny and nothing in between .
As Huzur used to say, either you are there or you are not there, nothing in between matters
A lady was talking about some youtube video she had seen on doing meditation on your behalf etc ..
Babaji said that if any of these electronic gadgets could do our meditation for us, we all would already have been with Huzur by now.
At our level we can only have conditional . Its only when you leave this body and plane can we have unconditional love.
Many of us think we know where we are going but in reality we are lost in this creation.
If you pick a glass of water up and sit it down, the container will be still but the water will still be oscillating for a while before it too becomes still.
Similarly it is essential to still this body before the mind can become still.
In worldly matters we can offset debits with credits, but in karmic law that cannot be done. You have to go thru the good and also the bad.
f you earn your money unethically, but then donate seva money to offset how you earned your money, this cannot work. You still have to pay for the bad you did.
Babaji said that even if you meditated for 24 hours a day your whole life you would still not reach your destination without your Master. Your meditation is merely to provoke his Grace to forgive you and take you to your destination.
A guy who drew a numbered token got to ask Babaji the 1st question.
What was amazing is that on Babajis last visit he could not ask his question as the guy in front of him was the last question Babaji took.
To the questioner this felt like a miracle to him.
Only meditation will wipe away your karma. Seva cannot wipe out karma – it is there only to teach us humility.
A lady was complaining about progress in meditation. Babaji said that if you dont start your car then how do you expect to reach your destination.
Babaji said that if your Master gave you initiation it is because he knows that you have the capability and capacity to do your meditation.
When Great RadhaSoami Master Gurinder Singh Ji
visited South Africa recently he said a very
interesting thing- well, lots of interesting
things, of course, but this one seemed
particularly important.
This was in Durban, in reply to a question
about whether the RSSB Master meets us
at death if we’ve seen no Light in our
Meditation or heard no Sound.
He answered that Sound and Light are not
linked to progress; one can be an elevated
soul without seeing or hearing anything.
He went on to explaining that the teacher
knows at what stage his students are.
Some need a pull on the ear. To be given
Sound and Light might make us over-confident.
What is important , he said, is just to
keep on doing our meditation and attach
ourselves to the effort rather than the
results. For us it’s the effort that makes the differences.
RS 🙏”

Sent from my i Pad -- Jim Sutherland

[Jim Sutherland]

I posted this before, but its hung up some where. Here it is again for those who don’t belive Gurinder has not changed the Path. Now, Light & Sound only makes us over confident according to Gurinder.

Babaji in South Africa 7/20/2018
A guy wanted to know how to recognize the ruler of the first region during his meditation.
Babaji explained that it was just a way of explaining our journey back home, but actually we should only be concerned about our destiny and nothing in between .
As Huzur used to say, either you are there or you are not there, nothing in between matters
A lady was talking about some youtube video she had seen on doing meditation on your behalf etc ..
Babaji said that if any of these electronic gadgets could do our meditation for us, we all would already have been with Huzur by now.
At our level we can only have conditional . Its only when you leave this body and plane can we have unconditional love.
Many of us think we know where we are going but in reality we are lost in this creation.
If you pick a glass of water up and sit it down, the container will be still but the water will still be oscillating for a while before it too becomes still.
Similarly it is essential to still this body before the mind can become still.
In worldly matters we can offset debits with credits, but in karmic law that cannot be done. You have to go thru the good and also the bad.
f you earn your money unethically, but then donate seva money to offset how you earned your money, this cannot work. You still have to pay for the bad you did.
Babaji said that even if you meditated for 24 hours a day your whole life you would still not reach your destination without your Master. Your meditation is merely to provoke his Grace to forgive you and take you to your destination.
A guy who drew a numbered token got to ask Babaji the 1st question.
What was amazing is that on Babajis last visit he could not ask his question as the guy in front of him was the last question Babaji took.
To the questioner this felt like a miracle to him.
Only meditation will wipe away your karma. Seva cannot wipe out karma – it is there only to teach us humility.
A lady was complaining about progress in meditation. Babaji said that if you dont start your car then how do you expect to reach your destination.
Babaji said that if your Master gave you initiation it is because he knows that you have the capability and capacity to do your meditation.
When Great RadhaSoami Master Gurinder Singh Ji
visited South Africa recently he said a very
interesting thing- well, lots of interesting
things, of course, but this one seemed
particularly important.
This was in Durban, in reply to a question
about whether the RSSB Master meets us
at death if we’ve seen no Light in our
Meditation or heard no Sound.
He answered that Sound and Light are not
linked to progress; one can be an elevated
soul without seeing or hearing anything.
He went on to explaining that the teacher
knows at what stage his students are.
Some need a pull on the ear. To be given
Sound and Light might make us over-confident.
What is important , he said, is just to
keep on doing our meditation and attach
ourselves to the effort rather than the
results. For us it’s the effort that makes the differences.“

Jim Sutherland

[Arjuna]

@ one initiated - hello - what did you have at 8 years old?

[One Initiated]

Rubaroo

[Arjuna]

??? What that

[Arjuna]

@ Jim - ignore One Initiated! Not telling you what to do - but from one solider to another! “Eyes Front” as we say in the Firces

[777]

Jim reported
"" Sound and Light might make us over-confident. ""

Yes it could !

Now, about Being the Sweet uninterrupted Sound, Being Your Master , Being That Love . . , which start with Being the unbelievable Simran !

Gurinder is so right : Nothing mells karmas as LOVE does

As we have to give ALL WHAT WE ONCE STOLE
( an apple, a car, a Company, a Wife, A country, a planet, a galaxy )
but cannot because the hurt party is not on this planet
our LOVE makes The Brilliant Almighty, without hate,
without fear, The Glorious One decide He cannot do else
to temporally delete
Kal’s decrets without Kal even knowing
For ONE disciple he will even totally recreate the Big Bang
or it's equivalent with minor modifications
( compensating the hurt party to the fullest )
and modifications for the Lover which we often call
serendipities/miracles

You think this is kinderGarten Play >> IT IS NOT
You can have all your karmas have settled in a second

But not without a COMPLETE Saint, . . . a Super Saint like actually Gurinder
Yes who jokes a lot - if U like it or not :-)

777

PS
The catholics once knew that too, when they now give their oil to a dying person, and hope for an "act" of Perfect Love
but who can ?
Most people don't even know WHAT to Love

It can only come through many meditations
( still under the semantic of "BE THOUGHT_LESS" by His Grace )

This Path is so sweet !
WE here like it each second more !

777

_
My corrector in Sierra doesn't work anymore > so have patience

[Dungeness]

I posted this before, but its hung up some where. Here it is again for those who don’t belive Gurinder has not changed the Path. Now, Light & Sound only makes us over confident according to Gurinder.

The prior sentences give important context though:

"He went on to explaining that the teacher knows at what stage his
students are. Some need a pull on the ear. To be given Sound and
Light might make us over-confident."

So the "only makes us" becomes "might make us" and that's consistent
with every answer given by GIHF. They're not intended to be universal
axioms but are targeted to a specific questioner to maximize his or
her internal progress.

[Jim Sutherland]

If Gurinder really said this in So Africa,.....”Sound and Light are not
linked to progress; one can be an elevated
soul without seeing or hearing anything.”

Then it appears the Church of the Churchless Exers who have never seen the light nor heard the Sound are the real “ elevated souls.”

Congrats!

I guess the old saying “ What goes around comes around” is true then.

Churchless Churchers are Initiates of the Dark and Silence.

Guess Gurinder has revised Sawan’s “ Flickers of light, Sun, Moon, Conch and Bell. “

Jim Sutherland

[Dungeness]

If Gurinder really said this in So Africa,.....”Sound and Light are not
linked to progress; one can be an elevated
soul without seeing or hearing anything.”

Then it appears the Church of the Churchless Exers who have never seen the light nor heard the Sound are the real “ elevated souls.”

Even those not following any spiritual path can be elevated
souls. The only touchstone is the love inside according to
mystics. I think 777 is right.

[Dungeness]

If Gurinder really said this in So Africa,.....”Sound and Light are not
linked to progress; one can be an elevated
soul without seeing or hearing anything.”

Then it appears the Church of the Churchless Exers who have never seen the light nor heard the Sound are the real “ elevated souls.”

Even those not following any spiritual path can be elevated
souls. The only touchstone is the love inside according to
mystics. I think 777 is right.

[777]

" In the "beginning" is the WORD "

The only thing that counts"

Read Jap Ji

But we must dive in it

-

[777]

I think badly paraphrazed

777

[One Initiated]

hi Arjuna,

Rubaroo = Face to Face. Had HIM behind my eyes.
Also I think you missed the second comment I posted (as it got published after few hours),
that was subjected to you, not Jim.

[Jesse]

You people are still proselytizing here instead of doing simran or anything related to your "path."

The fact that you're here speaks for itself. It's just mental masturbation to talk about mysticism. A hobby. A way to feel like you know secrets that others don't. An expression of human ego.

You know no more about masters, gods, sounds, lights or anything else than I do, but because I don't try to please you and be polite, you think you're floating on clouds above me with businessman's grace. You're wrong, though. Most of you believers are just arrogant and dumb.

[777]

@Jim
Not Down under and never been on that hemisphere.
Where I m from is many times in my comments , often

@DunGéNe
Yes You are perfectly right, I said nothing new,
all hundred thousand mystic books speak of nothing than Love
in an open or hidden way , depending of/on the inquisitions
RSSB Meditation is for making LOVE and always was
not for sight seeing

777

PS
Something strange with TypePad
Have to place several times
next see doubles
Perhaps better not hamper to much Brian with it

[Jim Sutherland]

@777,.......Sorry for my accusation regarding your So. African affilation because of your Avatar. I had to Bait you enough to call you out, and now that you said you are not THAT type of 777, I accept your answer.

Cheers,
Jim

[777]

@777,.......Sorry for my accusation regarding your So. African affilation because of your Avatar. I had to Bait you enough to call you out, and now that you said you are not THAT type of 777,

@JIM
Please could U elaborate a little bit
Sincerely This time I don't understand you
First :Sorry . . . for what ?
What is bad wit S.A. ?
I had to Bait you enough to call you out > What does it mean ?
Where is 777 the symbol of ?
I just liked it and the figure comes up in my life all the time

Whatever you hav accused me , . . it's all true
Hearing the Anahabd Shabd gives one more responsability and I fail
in many senses

Also , . . knowing his next life makes a little bit sloppy
but generates happyness too

I love You Jim for your "ténacitéééé" (french)
and being my Brother

777

[Jim Sutherland]

@777, ........here is the Link to the So.African Group that uses 777 as their Logo,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner_Weerstandsbeweging

Jim

[Arjuna]

@ One Initiated - what are you on about man???? What statement did you subject me?

[Jim Sutherland]

Charan Singh’s Bulldozer Chain now seems to be pulling Atheists back to the Path. Amazing , as well as entertaining to witness Brian, Gurinder’s #2 Critic, suddenly being awakened to Gurinder’s Neo-Advaitism Zen Buddhism newly exposed secret beliefs, that Osho Robbins “thinks” he understands as Oneness.

So, now, The Bulldozer Chain tightened around David Lane’s neck, Gurinder’s #1 Critic, by using Gurinder to preach a Neo-Adventist Sat Sang while Lane was at the Dera on April 2017.

I think Hine’s Church of the Churchless Congregation is really a Motley Crew of mixed up readers, as mixed up as Granola Cereal, consisting of Fruits, Nuts & Flakes!

So, the new path, that is not new, according to Gurinder’s Zealot followers, is not new, because:

The Radhasoami Path of Light & Sound no longer requires “ elevated souls” to see light or hear sound. Yet, Sawan said flickers of light, sun, moon and Star are the Sigh Posts along the Inner Regions to reach the Goal, i.e. Sach Khand.
These have been excellent Singh Posts for me to know where I am, inside, during meditation, yet Sawan’s Bonus examples of the two main Sounds to grab ahold of are the Conch and Bell. The Conch is first heard while plugging the ears with thumbs, while the Bell rings 24/7 to Initiates who Tithe the 10% of time in Meditation.

So, Gurinder’s “New” path, that isn’t new, according to Gurinderites, is a Soundless, Lightless, single Region of Sach Khand where every one already is at, yet no one knows it with out being told by a Master, which Gurinder continues doing the job for Hazur.

No wonder he said to burn the Books, yet keeps selling them.

There is just too such Hypocracy there to even try to debate any longer. RSSB has definitely become a Religious Cult under the Jurisdiction of Gurinder Singh Dhillon that Master Sawan Singh would no more recognize than Jesus would if he entered the Roman Catholic Church.

Buddhist Statues lined up in the Patio out side Gurinder’s home window!! Holy Moly! Jolly Folly!

Cheers,
Jim Sutherland

[One Initiated]

Oh my bad Arjuna,

I was talking about this one (one of the comment above) :
http://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2018/08/the-rssb-guru-likes-to-see-naked-women-on-the-beach.html?cid=6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a86d6d200b#comment-6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a86d6d200b

I was thinking you missed it, perhaps you already gone through it.

Nevermind.
have a great time and the rest indeed.

[arjuna]

@ One Initiated- Hello I will have a read now and thank you brother. Im just in a bad place right now - pain and my demons are playing up. My mind is geared for action but the body needs to heal. But thank you for thinking of me. I am wondering who are you? No need to answer but you have been nothing but nice to me.

[arjuna]

@ One initiated - thank you that was interesting- let talk in code - if you know then you know what I seek.

Take care.

[777]

Arjuna

Just go home to dream a little

Nobody can prevent you that

Make it Heaven

77

[Sagar]

Aligning spirituality in the norms of the world and trying to find a common point? Have you ever listened to the concept of the Guru?
By the way, while imposing these claims on the organisation, RSSB, you attack the ancient traditional poetry and the claims of various saints that propogates the believe.
It is not the physical form that the disciples are taught to pray, their personal life is not supposed to be our guide but the spiritual descendents.
It is not the Guru, but the Nam, the creative power of the universe that you can feel within even while you are indulged into deep intuition.
Putting an extreme opinion time after time does not make the assertion absolute rather hollow, as it echoes.
I admire your writings from the past. The concepts are humble, unfortunetly, I sense so much rumble in the mind when you write now.
I am not here to defend anyone, I myself am young and not aware about the truths people claim.
I find harmony in meditation and the teachings that are running from the time of Kabir, to this date.
I would just request you to register what attempts you are trying to make and how exactly will this help you grow as a human being.
Spirituality, the little I know, is a personal end that shares the node with the entire cosmos. Not the little disturbances and differences that our mind create.
And master Dillon makes it a point that people don't look at him as God himself incarnated, joking adds onto the purpose of letting people know that he is also living a human life. He had kids, a wife, a biological body, he faught cancer and certainly he is aware about the natural human affection towards opposite sex.
Even if all of this is legit, what is the point you are trying to make.
Hollow spaces and the echoes, dear one.
Hope we both find the ultimate aim of life.
The universe bless.

[Jesse]

"their personal life is not supposed to be our guide "

Sagar, this is patently false. all these people you call saints were mostly remembered through stories of their personal lives. rssb printed a book called "tales of the mystic east" and much of it was about the personal lives of random people who you call saints.

"master Dillon makes it a point that people don't look at him as God himself incarnated"

He personally approves of the printing of books that do the exact opposite of this. You're either dishonest or so confused as to have essentially lost your sentience at this point.

[lllllvvvvv]

Fine to write a letter about what one says she heard. But again, where is the corroborating testimony from someone else attending this alleged salacious Gurinder satsang?

There is none. One Initiated has every right to question those alleged quotes. That's free speech too! Better maybe to worry less about what Trump is doing and practice good journalism, starting with the acceptance that one anecdote does not evidence make, and each of us has the right to demand good evidence. Nostrovia!

PS: On the question of what was Charan's true age, I believe he covers that in one of his recorded satsangs. In brief, there was some issue with his birth certificate and Sawan's wishes.

[Chy]

Hello Sagar...
Lovely blog.
Well lets all now just think of the simplicity of sitting in quiet meditations...lets just do that and be a good person be a step up from everyone else do your style of meditation. It helps ones health and to quiet the restless mind. This is basic meditation.
Eat less.. eat healthy and exercise and be a person and a soul...forget about other peoples mental gyrations and quieten your life as needed.

I am an old initiate of master charan singh....I am not now involved for years in any sangat do not enjoy sangat politics and phony spiritual competitive behaviours ...partner jockeying business deals...good satsangi...bad satsangi..did or did not attend satsang energy regularly..whose more spiritual than who... BUT MASTER SAID commentaries and dictates from satsangis and other satsang group related issues. Granted some lovely people exist in sangats ...anyway but I am not a troll and I have a strong history past of RSSB and family ancestral lineage of initiates of RS and am born in the USA....

now then more peace will come with quiet meditation just sit with yourself and let all this confusion drop and get peaceful inside no worries about radiant forms inner planes drishtis and darshans is he a master is he not or never was a master who cares get some inner rest dear souls . ...just BE...

[Georgy Porgy]

Gdam are you cold-blooded idiots or what?

First off, it’s yet another conjecture hearsay article
Secondly, I hate to break it to you fkwits but looking at the naked female form cannot be helped.
It’s biology. I know v strange.

Gdam these fools ain’t in touch with anything

[jimmy]

Hahaha, This is the funniest thing I have see On a NEGATIVE page , these poor people don't know they are trapped tightly in the arms of satan and all they are trying is to spread negativity, now those who actually have seen the shabad form of master would laugh at it. we know our master and we know the real inner one . the writer here is the funniest Negative person.