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August 23, 2018

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"The head of RSSB works pro bono, draws no salary nor any benefits from the sect."

Not sure why they always slip this in all the articles. We've discussed the impossibility of proving a negative, but really I want some evidence that he's not being paid. Or rather, I hope someone uncovers evidence that he IS being paid from the RSSB coffers, because I think he might be.

Regardless, the entire operation is extremely shady. One of the reasons I really knew I had to disassociate from RSSB was when we were no longer allowed to give our books away for free to other satsangis.

Satsangis were forced to buy new books, and anyone who desired to donate older books was told to give them away to charity shops or sell them but not to keep the money, but rather give it back as seva. The moment I heard that I knew immediately that this sect was money hungry. I've walked into Masjids and asked for translations of the Quran and been given one in seconds, same goes for Bibles in Churches.

We'll find out more as time goes by, and at this point there's very little that could be revealed that would make Gurinder seem like an even remotely trustworthy person. Even if it's all just a big complex business mishap, it's one no "saint" ever should have been involved in, and it required extreme amounts of shadiness to get into in the first place.


We'll find out more as time goes by, and at this point there's very little that could be revealed that would make Gurinder seem like an even remotely trustworthy person. Even if it's all just a big complex business mishap, it's one no "saint" ever should have been involved in, and it required extreme amounts of shadiness to get into in the first place.

I'm not discounting any of the allegations even if it was a "big
complex business mishap." But on what basis, could anyone
assert "no saint" should have been involved?

Saints have families, destinies, live ordinary lives. Would you
expect them to shape events to project only a tableau of
saintliness? Use magical powers to cleanup any appearances
of unsaintliness. Or maybe hold press interviews, air mea culpas,
retire in disgrace. Should they resign with even the slightest whiff
of scandal. No, don't answer ;)

Mystics, PLM's in the past have suffered financial ruin, bad health,
short lifespan, been rich, poor; others have belittled, slandered,
even crucified them. None of them give up their spiritual roles. It's
their awareness that elevates them and they continue to impart
spirituality to all. The proof of that is inside, not what you infer from
the outside.


We'll find out more as time goes by, and at this point there's very little that could be revealed that would make Gurinder seem like an even remotely trustworthy person. Even if it's all just a big complex business mishap, it's one no "saint" ever should have been involved in, and it required extreme amounts of shadiness to get into in the first place.

I'm not discounting any of the allegations even if it was a "big
complex business mishap." But on what basis, could anyone
assert "no saint" should have been involved?

Saints have families, destinies, live ordinary lives. Would you
expect them to shape events to project only a tableau of
saintliness? Use magical powers to cleanup any appearances
of unsaintliness. Or maybe hold press interviews, air mea culpas,
retire in disgrace. Should they resign with even the slightest whiff
of scandal. No, don't answer ;)

Mystics, PLM's in the past have suffered financial ruin, bad health,
short lifespan, been rich, poor; others have belittled, slandered,
even crucified them. None of them give up their spiritual roles. It's
their awareness that elevates them and they continue to impart
spirituality to all. The proof of that is inside, not what you infer from
the outside.

" on what basis, could anyone
assert "no saint" should have been involved?"

lol nice story, but they were selling tainted medicine knowingly. Could have potentially killed people. Normal people wouldn't even sell dirty meds.

If that idiot had heightened awareness as you claim, he wouldn't have been surrounded by crooks and gotten involved in fraud and selling bad meds himself.

Also, there are no such things as "PLM's" or saints. This is just a fantasy that India sells because for the past few decades they've been in financial ruin and it was the only thing that was working. It's like hookers in Thailand.

Thank Oneness for dupes like yourself. You saved kids from starving by pumping spiritual tourist bucks into the corruption empire.

I recommend true believers read the article and the quoted section from Honest Living

"“he also advises that as far as is practical and possible we should ensure that our means of LIVELIHOOD does not involve us EVEN INDIRECTLY in negative consequences.”"

Being a decamillionaire is far beyond what we call livelihood, and these guys were beyond that level by a long shot. After making that much money you're motivated by pure human greed. Period. There's no other explanation.

And if you've got money sufficient to retire and give the next 3 generations riches enough money to never work and still be rich, any association with business entities at all is an unnecessary and direct, not indirect, actions. Thus the negative consequences are, as I just said, due to his personal human greed.

Even if you took the time to read about people who were supposedly saints, the Gurinder story doesn't match in any way whatsoever. RSSB sells books about Mirabai and Ravidass, both of whom renounced everything they had, but Gurinder lives exactly in opposition to the saints he purports to be the successor of.

Scam Alert. Notify the Better Business Bureau and strip that man of his turban. He's a crook and the RS cult is a shonk.

Nothing about Gurinder’s lifestyle is modest. He is surrounded by bodyguards and personal sevadars 24/7. He lives in a huge home that’s lavishly decorated and throws many parties especially for his elite Indian associates. He flies around the world in his own personal commercial-sized airliner! It’s absurd. When I heard he had a private jet I thought that was over the top. But he doesn’t have a private jet. He has a private airbus! And a few other commercial sized planes. And YES, I have seen them—the manager of the Dera airport gave me and two of my friends from Australia & New Zealand a tour of the airport hanger at Beas. We sneaked past the guards of Beas and went to the airport. I have never cared about following the rules at Dera because it has always felt like they were hiding things—so I would investigate as much as I could when I went. The airport manager didn’t know we were westerners from Hostel 6... otherwise we probably would have gotten kicked out or banned from Dera for 5 years which is what they do when you break serious rules or do something completely crazy.

Anyway, my point is Great Master was modest and didn’t seem to be hiding anything. However, GSD hides everything and uses the “I’m a private person” excuse. Someone should slap him every time he says that because “a private person” doesn’t initiate 2 million plus people into the belief system that he’s GIHF.


If that idiot had heightened awareness as you claim, he wouldn't have been surrounded by crooks and gotten involved in fraud and selling bad meds himself

Gosh, Jesus shoulda know about that lowlife Judas and gotten
outta Dodge before the Romans closed in.

Spiritual awareness means a bit more than ESP, " lol "

Dungeness,

Being the scholar of spiritual texts that you are, do tell me the part of the gospel when Jesus lined his pockets along with the money changers, bought mansions on multiple continents, and then how he started a business with Judas and a bunch of tax collectors.

And tell us how the 12 apostles were told to hide sex abuse charges and then put in charge of Jesus' shell companies where he took all those interest-free loans to buy stocks and properties.

That's my favorite part of the Bible too, but I can't remember which book it's in. Was it Luke or Mathew? I recall him starting the shell companies to hide the loans somewhere around the sermon on the mount.

@Jesse
😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for that!


Being the scholar of spiritual texts that you are, do tell me the part of the gospel when Jesus lined his pockets along with the money changers, bought mansions on multiple continents, and then how he started a business with Judas and a bunch of tax collectors.

You missed the point. Spiritual awareness has nothing to do with books
written generations later after passing through multiple translations.
Nor do purchases of mansions, business allegations against relatives,
or suggestions of "behavior most foul".

If you have doubts about guru-ly fitness, why not follow some other
alternate path of mindfulness, discipline, or religion. Heck, you could
get one of those free Bibles (or Korans) mentioned and take a few
shots at the contradictions in them too. There are probably a few
juicy rumors about various figures in those orbits.

I'd think it'd be more engaging than this relentless drumbeat of
innuendo without a single conviction. Or just reserve judgment,
take up a hobby, stay glued to Indian media until there are actual
indictments. A careful, wait-and-see attitude is anathema to the
fun of armchair lawyering though I know.

But, then, I suppose, all gurus and their brainwashed cultists have
probably already been tried, convicted, and await execution in
kangaroo court.


Being the scholar of spiritual texts that you are, do tell me the part of the gospel when Jesus lined his pockets along with the money changers, bought mansions on multiple continents, and then how he started a business with Judas and a bunch of tax collectors.

You missed the point. Spiritual awareness has nothing to do with books
written generations later after passing through multiple translations.
Nor do purchases of mansions, business allegations against relatives,
or suggestions of "behavior most foul".

If you have doubts about guru-ly fitness, why not follow some other
alternate path of mindfulness, discipline, or religion. Heck, you could
get one of those free Bibles (or Korans) mentioned and take a few
shots at the contradictions in them too. There are probably a few
juicy rumors about various figures in those orbits.

I'd think it'd be more engaging than this relentless drumbeat of
innuendo without a single conviction. Or just reserve judgment,
take up a hobby, stay glued to Indian media until there are actual
indictments. A careful, wait-and-see attitude is anathema to the
fun of armchair lawyering though I know.

But, then, I suppose, all gurus and their brainwashed cultists have
probably already been tried, convicted, and await execution in
kangaroo court.

Jesse,
The Masters take required measures as the time and situations demands.

You want to see only Master and the organisation in poverty or yourself as well ?

You realise that the times have changed since the Christ ?
There were no nuclear weapons and your cryptocurrencies in those times.

Carrying out such a huge Spiritual mission of that scale, it can not happen
without the availability of funds.
If someone can meet Jesus Christ above, He must have been congratulating
Babaji for continuing the mission with such an elegance.

Many people appreciate the beauty of Dera,
and many criticise too and ironically again for it's beauty.

You disgust India because it's not clean,
And you disgust Dera because it's so clean. Wow.


Sarah,
I recalled you mentioning in one of the comment
in a critical tone that Dera is no longer a small Ashram but it's a properly organised town.
So do you prefer the unorganised places more ?

For those who might have just visited Dera first time or very late like in 2010+ years
and do not know anything about how the current beauty of Dera has actualised over the decade of decades' hard work by the Masters and the pure love filled seva of the disciples.
If you've not, you should watch https://rssb.org/videos.php - it's a documentary which briefly shows the history and development of Dera... how it was started on a barren land (purchased from govt. officially and legally always).

I have no opinion regarding these Singh people - seen to many cults to have an interest in them - but it is interesting to see how we react to criticism or opposing views that contradict our own beliefs and experience. I have often wondered why we defend our views and beliefs so vigorously.

Apparently cognitive dissonance accounts for much of it, explaining that to entertain two opposing views causes so much mental discomfort the need to defend them (it) becomes vital.

Another factor is that our beliefs and opinions can become an integral factor of who we believe we are. I recall a statement that a clergyman made that if his belief was threatened or criticised, he felt as though his very life was under threat. Why is that the information and experiences that have conditioned the way we think and behave become so important?.

Perhaps it is simply to defend and maintain the structure we call my 'self', my identity. It has become as - if not more - important than defending and maintaining the body. My ideas, beliefs and opinions have become so much a part of who (or what) I believe I am, to have them criticised or questioned is distressing.

Perhaps much of our comments here have little to do with any truth or reality and more to do with maintaining an insecure and fragile self structure.

https://www.businesstoday.in/current/corporate/singh-brothers-say-sunil-godhwani-orchestrated-transactions-left-them-with-debt-load/story/281563.html

Is it because of Sunil Godhwani that Singh Brothers are in trouble?

Is Simran Godhwani perhaps the author of the book
written by a certain Sheena ?


happy Dungeness corrected the complete outsider - big mouth
before I could

I said it now many times

We both here in France see these Saints in full Glory 24/7
( read my piece about Gurinder in Switzerland )
so
what should I say
I see karma first, next naivity , yes proud, who knows
and a big lesson to learn

I couldn't imaging 1% of what jesse would do with some
money c q power


Let's wait what the Judge will say; next compare about how clever WE are.

777

In my case
and heard from others
a reasonable rssb meditation
, the moment before
a kind of pleasant itchin occurs
at the third eye region or higher

Now : and will be unbelievable
to many here :

Looking to the accused Shivinder
I have that too

777

Don't tell Him

-

"Spiritual awareness has nothing to do with books
written generations later "

It sure as heck does when RSSB is selling themselves as the successors of these so-called saints of the past. You want to have it all ways, but you can't, and now you're caught in having to lie to yourself to justify worshiping a crook.

I truly pity you people who still believe in this stuff.

To those who want to know if the Godhwanis are the real culprits, it might be so, but again, the Guru is by definition a hypocrite and a liar for even being involved in this stuff. Even if he was just a passive observer letting others make business decisions for him.

Why are people using the term “kangaroo” courts???? Is that due to courts being in India are kangaroos due to being brown???

The biggest kangaroo courts are in the US of A and the U.K. too. Trust me I know more than you could possibly fathom. However I wouldn’t share details with anyone on here!!!

Not saying Indian courts are just - no court is!!!!

India is one of the most corrupt countries on earth, Arjuna. Anyone who lives there will testify to this fact.

The court system isn't even comparable to those in the west, which although flawed, are not anywhere near as bad as those in India.

Jesus was great! He even took on the sins of those who would execute him!

Being bad pays loool

@ Jesse - I agree it’s corrupt - but I didn’t like the word kangaroo that’s all,

I don't know the origins of the expression kangaroo court, but as far as I know there arent any serious erhnic connotations. Might be though.

I think Jesus seemed great too. At least his story. He's much more akin to Sadhus than to modern day babas.

@ 777 - you sound like a dysfunctional test bot.

@ Jesse. Sunil Godhwani couldn’t sneeze in the wrong direction without consulting GSD. He’s been paid off ( plus gets to keep what he made on the side ) just to keep his mouth shut. He has some serious dirt on the Guru and the Singh Brothers. Else, stops them from dragging him to court ?

Oneinitiated:

"... how it was started on a barren land (purchased from govt. officially and legally always)."


From Khalsaforce.in:
"When Jaimal first came to Beas, many local Sikhs helped him start a Gurdwara. They were fooled by his outer appearance of a Sikh. Land was donated by the Sikhs to the Gurdwara and registered under Guru Granth Sahib’s name. As the time went by, Jaimal firmly established his dera. Eventually, he removed Guru Granth Sahib and declared himself as the Guru and showed his true face to the people. He treacherously changed the registry of the land under his name and became the sole owner of the dera. He started preaching importance of having a human guru and discrediting Guru Granth Sahib."

http://khalsaforce.in/exposed-radha-swami-with-evidence


Apparently a lot of Sikh's are unhappy that the Dera land was somehow reappropriated to Jaimal Singh after it was established by him from Sikh donations as a Gurdwara.

Khalsaforce Panthic et al are some of the most idiotic and politically motivated websites of all time. It's not worth quoting anything they say since almost everything printed on their sites is lies and propaganda of the most negative kind.

And I say this as a strong critic of RSSB

Jesse:

So what are you saying? Dera land was not originally officially registered to the name of Guru Granth Sahib Ji?
I always found the story that he just set up a tent there on vacant land a bit strange.

From Khalsaforce:
"...Sikhs of bal sran gave jaimal singh 11 kanal and 16 marle of land to make
the dharmshala thinking of him as a Sikh sadhu. this land was registered
to the name of Guru Granth Sahib Ji, on June 14, 1897, the registry no.
was 254, in which was written the following:

Guru Granth Sahib vakeya dharmshala mutanzim Jaimal Singh sadh jatt.

In the verification of registration of transfer-deed of land, the
following is written:

Bhai Jaimal Singh does not have the right to live on this land or to
sell this land. The dharmshala would deal with these matters.

the panchayat of that village registered the land under the name of Sri
Guru Granth Sahib ji, ..."

I've been aware of this claim for ten years, 287. It's not new and as I just said, that website is outright khalistani propaganda.
Why anyone would register land in the name of a book is already weird, but none of the story is likely true.
One thing you should have immediately noticed is that Sikhs didn't even idebtify as such in the 19th century.

Look at census reports and almost all of them called themselves hindus and most daramshalas, later called gurdwaras, had murtis and paintings of hindu gods in them.

That sites claim is all wrapped up in a sikh political identity that hardly existed.

Nobody has provided legit documentation regarding this land deal as far as I know. When you find that I'll consider changing my belief that this all stems from a hukamnama from akal in 2009 I believe demanding all non sikhs be removed and deras shut down in punjab.


Why are people using the term “kangaroo” courts???? Is that due to courts being in India are kangaroos due to being brown???

A Kangaroo court is one in which you're convicted as soon as you enter. Skin color matters not. A cultist in an Ex-er's court is one example. An Ex-er in a RSSB Holy Roller court is another. I daresay the RSSB court is a kinder, gentler one though.

Both courts would insist though that the sinner atone and return to the One True Faith.

287daysleft,

most of the information given on these websites (many many more like) khalsaforce, is all fake... if it had any gravity, they would have gone to court of law - for they themselves are no less in cash and authority.
It's not they who are struggling, it's actually the Dera who always struggle to keep these extremists in their bounds and away - these all are really really violent.

the problem starts when people (extremists and govts) starts to witness the beauty
and starts drooling on something which came to existence after the amazing grace
of the Masters and selfless and love filled seva of disciples.

wherever there is barren land - if you put up a hut, nobody, no govt. none will actually object in a slightest sense. once it started taking shape - by the seva of 10s of 100s of loving disciples,
suddenly the govt thought of cashing the "once" barren land.

there onwards, when the Great Master came to gaddi - he (because he had funds from His service and also later the pension + income from His legacy family's farming business) - He started officially purchasing all the land in His own name - since the official trust was not registered.
When Hazur Charan Singh came, the first thing He did was registered the trust and transferred all the Dera property in the name of the trust.

I've witnessed (my parents did) one such incident in Delhi as well, where the oldest centre when it was built by Hazur Charan Singh Ji, was a simple and beautiful architecture (just like all that is still built at Dera - simple yet beautiful - totally "fake" are those who call it luxury)
The luxurious mansions do not install the biggest solar power plant of asia on their roofs and give it away back to the govt. as there is excessive of electricity generated not even being used at Dera.
Any of the most luxurious house built in Dera is still so much like an average as per the US standards.

Anyone who claims otherwise is for sure faking things up,
I have seen every possible type of residential space in Dera,
and I confirm 100% that never ever never there is any focus on adding,
the luxury to it, from the wash basins, to curtain rods, to door handles,
to the windows and doors - if you will closely observe,
in every slightest thing that is installed, the focus has been put on
the simplicity, longevity and best use of money by not doing a show off.

And I challenge to any such person, to accompany me to Dera
and prove their words.

The Delhi centre when it was built and specially the hall where the Master used to give initiation,
is a wide spacious hall and the then govt. Indian Congress leader Indira Gandhi visited the Master and asked/claimed that they need it for their political meets and since there is only satsang on Sunday, the hall should be accessible by the govt. on Monday to Saturday.
This was plainly and simply rejected by the Master by saying "this property is only for Spiritual discourses and no political movement can be allowed inside this premise"
For many months the Master had to conduct the satsang daily from Monday to Sunday for many many months to express there is no free space here for anything else.
And then there were a lot of scuffle that happened b/w the govt and the Master - finally the matter was resolved and govt. stayed away.


This book on Baba Jaimal Singh's beautiful life journey
http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/pdf/Baba%20Jaimal%20Singh%20-%20Kirpal%20Singh.pdf
depicted by Kripal Singh is a great read.

And then after that one can read the Spiritual Gems - answers by Jaimal Singh Ji to The Great Masters' questions when He was a disciple, used to send almost all His service earnings to His Master at Beas to build up the Dera from scratch, each and every room was built up by the Great Master's own earnings - and now these extremists claiming all that beautiful property - just a waste of time I would say even for the court.

One Initiated, you're just posting the other side of the propaganda. It's not extremely helpful, though at least it offers some balance to the weird Sikh propaganda.

There are legitimate cases of land grabbing that have happened in recent years in a number of the RS groups, so while the Dera may not be worth talking about, the other cases are. Yet you're essentially cutting and pasting the "oh the all innocent master of the universe who sells tainted meds made heaven on earth with his grace."

@ Jesse - please expand on “tainted meds”?

@ Arjuna ... Gurinder played a key role in the succession drama ( way back in the day ) when Ranbaxy was being restructured to induct the boys ( Malvinder and Shivinder ) after Parvinder Singh passed. Contrary to what most RSSB devotees like to believe, the Guru was involved in each and every business decision, big or small, from that point on. It was Gurinder who approved the sale of Ranbaxy at a valuation that incorporated serious fraud - several drugs didn't meet the bio-equivalent standard and upon some digging, it turned out that the bio-equivalence data didn't exist or was made up all together. This meant their drugs were potentially unsafe and illegal to sell. Almost all of Ranbaxy's US business was built on a scaffolding of fraudulent data. Vince Fabiano, a former vice president of Ranbaxy, said, " In essence, they used the fraud as a competitive advantage to build and grow the business here in the US. " That's what we call " bad meds " and Gurinder and the Singh Brothers cheated the unsuspecting Japanese - Daiichi Sankyo. It was from the sale of an inflated and an incorrectly valued company that the Singh Brothers and the Guru jump-started Religare and what has now come to be, a massive financial misadventure.

One Initiated:

So what are you saying? That India has all sorts of un-owned land that anyone can go put a tent on and claim as their own? There may be a legitimate answer... I'm just saying this idea he just put up a tent and that's how he came to own it sounds unreliable.

Yes, I know afterwords Sawan and others expanded it legitimately, but the story that Jaimal solicited money from the Sikh community to build a Gurdwara makes more sense than he just wandered in, put up a tent and became the owner. Tell me a story that makes sense and I am all with you.

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287,

"Jaimal solicited money from the Sikh community to build a Gurdwara"
Totally false, cooked up and fake. Plain and simple lie. No valid reference.

Read Spiritual Gems, each and every room - even the first one was built by the Great Master's own earnings. Contains all the minutest references with dates of how much money was involved in which wall / roof / floor construction along with precise dates.

@ 287 ... I'm crashing the party, but ... there are three or four historical versions about the origins of the Dera at Beas. Is RSSB an offshoot of Shiv Dayal's original sect ? Did Baba Jaimal come to Beas to set up a parallel Agra by the riverside, but changed his mind and decided to create his own spiritual property ? Did Baba Jaimal tell the Sikhs that he was building a Gurudwara, but established his own teachings that were taken from ( Rai Saligram's ) Surat Shabad Yoga sprinkled with some Granth flavour ? Did Baba Jaimal partake of someone's else's land, borrow money from two Sikh friends and set up spiritual shop ? ... if you speak with some of the old families of Amritsar, Jalandhar and Beas, the answer to all of the above is yes, in varying degrees. Coming back to the here and now, all the land grabbing incidents that have been reported in Beas, in Delhi and in Haynes Park - they're all true. In fact, the Guru's capital abode ( " Basera " ... a mini-ranch style residence in New Delhi which is behind RSSB, Bhatti Mines Road, Chattarpur ) has been built on illegal land and is filed under " encroachment " ... just a few months ago the authorities came with a bulldozer and knocked down the ( Basera ) boundary wall.

Bombay Blonde:

Thank you. What you said actually makes reasonable sense. The tent on un-owned vacant land story does not. Even in 1897 I doubt you could just go pitch a tent by a river and then claim the land as yours. The books say Jaimal was a wandering sadhu with no money who pitched a tent by the beas river and a spiritual community sprang up.

"Read Spiritual Gems, each and every room - even the first one was built by the Great Master's own earnings."

One Initiated, you seem to think that the printed words of RSSB are infallible, when they obviously aren't. RSSB book were printed as propaganda to further what? RSSB.

Stop using their books as if they're proof of something more than RSSB claims.

Oh My God,
287, you've given me a great laugh for the day in the midst of
excessive busy work schedule for me today.

On this blog, till date, I have not come across any more foolish arguments
than what you've given above.

Yes, don't consider 1850+ era, with British Rule over India and population 1/10th of current,
consider this age and time, if you've got a residential status of US,
go ahead and dig yourself a cave (it was cave nearby not a tent) in the Grand Canyon.
and I assure you no govt. authority will argue your living there.

If you want to socialise more, if you're not aware, let me,
If you go to Chicago, I suggest you give yourself a visit post street 35
and you will crave to witness authorities.

"Arjun, Bombay Blonde nailed it already, but this little snippet from a legal website explains the case-

"According to the DOJ, Ranbaxy unit Ranbaxy USA Inc. pled guilty to violating the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act by knowingly distributing adulterated batches of acne drug Sotret, epilepsy and nerve pain drug gabapentin and antibiotic ciprofloxacin, made in its Paonta..."

They were selling adulterated drugs, and some which were for epilepsy. That's really low of them. Epilepsy is a serious thing.

And once again to the True Believers, remember what Honest Living says. We should go out of our way to avoid even accidentally being involved in negative things.

" just a few months ago the authorities came with a bulldozer and knocked down the ( Basera ) boundary wall."

Looks to me like it's open season on RSSB now. With all the jewing they've been doing, they probably jewed some actual Jews. Or the Yakuza have taken a hit. Now the nod's been given.

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab/crime/radha-soami-sect-chief-s-kin-found-murdered/331589.html

@ Jesse - hello . Did not know that they were doing doing this!

When is this all coming out into the open so that the good ones on the path can move on

WHAT’S GOING ON HERE? Radha Soami Society’s large ‘place of worship’ starting to take shape outside Orangeville

https://www.orangeville.com/news-story/8854177-what-s-going-on-here-radha-soami-society-s-large-place-of-worship-starting-to-take-shape-outside-orangeville/

Sarah, I personally suspect that RSSB is closely tied to the government of India, and is using these religious institutions to covertly colonize parts of the west, which like Gurinders other business decisions, is a horrible idea during this most obvious paradigm shift in the west that anyone under the age of 50 who isn't prescribed lobotomizing anti-depressants can see.

India is pretty incompetent at colonization historically and left almost no traces of their attempts in Africa and Indochina, but they try like everyone else nonetheless.

I could go into more detail, but I'm not in the mood to go through it. Just know that Gurinder is in almost non-stop talks with politicians in India, and nobody outside of RSSB buys into the idea that he's just having conversations for the sake of conversing.

@ Jesse - if RSSB were tied to government of Indian - which I doubt - Brian needs to get the protect of of the SAS or your Seal Team Six

I don’t believe they would allow Brian to continue with this blog? Think about it?

The long reach of the state .,,

Why? People make blogs far worse than this one about all kinds of religious and other groups. India doesn't do a whole lot of assassinations if that's what you're implying, and they'd be some of the most incompetent politicians on earth if they tried shutting down a blog or blogger critical to an association they had which has branches outside of India.

This is just normal conversational stuff here. Governments deal with real threats to their interests.

@Jesse
Well, now I’m really interested in hearing more about Gurinder’s associations and involvements with politicians. Please write more when you are in the mood and have time.

Sarah, I don't keep up with this stuff anymore, but the Badal family and their entourage used to make regular visits to the Dera as did other political figures in Punjab and Delhi.
RSSB always maintained that it was just for conversations, but politicians wouldn't waste their time were they not going for tangible results.
Maybe I'll go back and read some old articles but most of the best stuff is in local Punjabi news which I need others to help me understand.
I should mention that simply meeting with politicians wouldn't really pique my interest if it was that one thing in isolation. It's the cumulative effect of all the relationships that begins to look shady.
Charan Singh used to meet with Namdharis. Gurinder cut off ties with them and focuses on profitable relationships.

@Jesse
Interesting... One night at evening meeting at Dera
Gurinder shared with us that he had been asked by the Indian government to run for some political office (don’t know which) but that he turned it down. I really got the feeling that the only reason he brought it up was to brag about it.

Another note, there was a Chinese spy that Gurinder initiated and he cane to Dera then as well. I was told by these rabidly-in-the-know Satsangis who I had know for years about this situation and that Baba Ji knew who he was and initiated him anyway. Then fast forward to the Daiichi Sankyo situation... you’ve got to admit Daiichi Sankyo definitely had it in for them. They were and still are relentless in trying to take down the Singhs/Dhillons. I believe the Chinese government is really pushing for that but not sure why they would see RSSB or the Singhs and Dhillons as serious threats. Maybe there is STILL A LOT WE DON’T KNOW about this.

@Jesse
Correction: Daiichi Sankyo is Japanese—no link to the Chinese spy, but still. Why would the Chinese govt have any interest in spying on RSSB.

@ Jesse - not implying that they would assasinate but who knows. It’s all getting messy now and there is no end result coming no out of all of this. Is there?

Anyway I’m bored of all this - I need to move on with my life - what will be will be.

I wish you all the very best In life and take care - eat well and join that gym!

There is more to life than Gurinder and RSSB - must find that something else.

@ Brian - take it easy big man! Hope you find your answers and get justice - I am coming around to Some parts of your thinking but it’s a hard climb - I just hope you are right!

@ one initiated - don’t believe all the books - we were not there to see with our own eyes ! Just be cool and observe

@ 777 - just chill man - I kinda like you as you say things which have a hint of truth - very rarely!

@ Jim- what can I say - would you have any objection if I got your email address from Brian? I would like to stay in touch with you! You may have just saved me?

@ Bombay Blonde - we got of to a rocky start and well all was ok in the end I think. Ps are you really Blonde? That just popped into my mind 😀

Hi Arjuna,

My email address has been posted openly with every post I have ever made in this Church. ( along with my real Name, ) 007 James is the only Name I have kept a secret.

You are welcome to contact me privately any time, but If you have read my blog, you already know most of my real secrets.

But in any case, here is my Facebook Site if you want to friend me. I only post my Travel Pics and comments there.( Also, my friends list is blocked from any one looking to find out who is crazy enough to want me as a friend) I reserve religeon for here and my blog, and shy away from Politics as much as possible. Most of my friends on my Faebook friends list would unfriend me right away if they knew what I think about
Politics!

https://m.facebook.com/jim.sutherland.351

Best Regards,
Jim Sutherland
[email protected] yahoo.com
Notice my “ eyes wide open? “

Hi Jim - thank you. I’m not on Facebook book due to the nature of what I do. (Human demolition expert lol- that’s more for Bombay blonde 😀. Think she may laugh at that one!)

However I’m not after secrets or anything else - just you have been kind and you served as a brother once. I just want to stay in touch that’s all.

And yes you did save me 😀

@Arjuna,...regarding Bombay Blond,...

Confucius say,.....” Blond hair woman have black hair,...By Cracky!”

😅

@ Jim - lol

Take Care, Arjuna.

Arjuna:
"we were not there to see with our own eyes"
you were not there in my head to see with your own eyes, as well 😉

Lots of love to everyone.

@ Arjuna ... journey well. Bombay Blonde is a beer but I haven't tried it.

@ Jim ... Baba Ji has strictly told women ( in his inner circle ) to not dye or colour their hair. He into women's beauty secrets as much as he's into the door handles of the Chicago centre. ( ... lovely photograph by the giant Siddhartha by the way, on your FB. )

... the word " blonde " shouldn't be a stereotype, that's what I believe.

@ Arjuna ... journey well. Bombay Blonde is a beer ... :)

@ Jim ... would you care to expound " blonde women have black hair by cracky " ... I'm feeling dumb. I have a hard time sifting good humour from objectionable humour these days, we live in changing times.

Interestingly, Gurinder has told women not to dye or colour their hair. He likes to get into women's beauty secrets as much as he likes to get into the choice of door handles for the Chicago centre ...

"""" Interestingly, Gurinder has told women not to dye or colour their hair. He likes to get into women's beauty secrets as much as he likes to get into the choice of door handles for the Chicago centre ... """

He is human, has pain and pleasure too - but helped by regular very good intuitions,
and here is the KEY :
SERENDIPITIES all the time

HE must have had many doubts but less & less when seeing what Charan is doing with Him all the time

I appreciated enormously
Him saying that he likes beauty in women
( don't scold me Jim )
like he likes all nature
( Charan demonstrated the same by photographing
also the nice kama sutra sculptures

A God man is not like a 18th century one

One thing never changes
THE ALL PERVADING SWEET BEAUTIFUL 24/7 UNINTERUPTED SOUND ABOVE OUR EYES

"We live in interesting times"

Can you imaging
Not only hearing while I write this but also knowing "IT only grows"

Why so stubborn here ??

Go woth God, Go with Sounds , Kids

777

( no correction alas )

@Bombay Blond and 777,

You two remind me of Dagwood and Blondie......HaHa

But only 777 is old enough here to remember them.

https://youtu.be/bS4d0KPZXyI

Cheers,
Jim Sutherland

@ Jim ... hahahaha ! Blondie will always be the original cliche, too bad Taylor Swift.
I can go back in time and catch up. ( YouTube )

@ 777 ... sir, you're just so full of Beas dogma that it's not even annoying anymore. If the sweet and beautiful astral planes are GSD's real abode ... why does he spend so much time in trivial, frivolous things ?

"" If the sweet and beautiful astral planes are GSD's real abode ... why does he spend so much time in trivial, frivolous things ? ""

No, It's much higher, our place of Real birth, Real Existence

He comes here to repair certain things and give people the means
to go back from where the originated

Also after reasonable real meditations
one can function on this planet
and in the higher planes at the same time

Even many disciples can.
But we cannot know which "siddhis and more God gives to a SatGuru
I guess it will be slowly build and learned and remembered
and They are all very different

I have no idea of trivial, frivolous things from HIM
What I know are beautiful Satsangh Ghars in many countries
giving me a kick
and I know their purpose which is not at all only initiation or satsangs

Trivial :
Somebody told me when a daughter marries in Punjab
the Father must cry !
So, Charan Sing Ji MaharaJI, he cried at mimmies wedding

I remember staring at him at Delhi airportn . . we flied with HIM
in the same plane ,
waiting for the luggage
, 2 toddlers all the time played between His legs
I think Malvinder and Shivinder ! not sure)
Then my case came, but I disn't see,
and HE knotted to me like "Hééé your luggage overthere"

At that same stay in Delhi we both saw him in a taxi
competely radiant illuminated between hundreds other cars
Exactly as we saw BOTH Gurinder in a car but 3 meter also above the Car
and that in broad day light

777
still no corrector and a bad keyboard

Is there any truth to rumors that GSD asks his initiates in India to vote for certain political parties in Elections? I believe he is a classmate of Sukhbir Badal (President of SAD :) - Shromani Akali Dal)

Dera Beasi: Rahul, Kejri and Badals fans
Radha Soami Satsang, popularly known as Dera Beasi, is the largest dera in Punjab, with following among all communities.

Based in Beas, 50 kilometres from Amritsar, the dera has lakhs of followers across the world.

However, it has never aligned itself to any political party. It provides spiritual and philosophical guidance and makes a conscious effort to stay away from politics.

However, this does not deter leaders from across the political spectrum to seek an audience with the dera head, Baba Gurinder Singh Dhillon.

Singh’s influence can be gauged from the fact that Congress vice president Rahul Gandhi, chief ministerial candidate Captain Amarinder Singh, Delhi chief minister Arvind Kejriwal and the Badals have met him multiple times in the run-up to Assembly elections. The dera does not have any political committees.

The guru’s pravachan (discourse) is never on political matters. This makes the meetings very significant as followers get a hint of which way, if at all, the Baba is leaning.

Though the dera has had ideological issues with SAD’s philosophy of devotion to Guru Granth Sahib and not to any living guru, the Badals have a close relationship with the dera head. Deputy chief minister Sukhbir Singh Badal’s brother-in-law Bikram Majithia is married to the dera head’s niece Ganieve Grewal.

With elections round the corner, political meetings have been on the upswing. The SAD-BJP government has appointed Baba Gurinder Singh Dhillon’s brother-in-law Parminder Singh Sekhon as advisor to Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal.

He has been accorded the status of minister. This is being taken as an indication of Baba’s increasing proximity w i t h S A D . Dhillon makes it a point to balance out such meetings. Followers pointed out that after a meeting with Sukhbir Badal, the Baba went to the house of Sant Baljeet Singh Daduwal, a Takht head who has openly come out against SAD.

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/dera-chiefs-play-gurus-to-tallest-of-politicians/articleshow/55736977.cms

Parties have been actively courting dera heads, with top leaders like Congress vicepresident
Rahul Gandhi and Delhi chief minister Arvind Kejriwal paying obeisance to influential dera heads of Radha Soami sect at Beas in Majha region and Ballan in Doaba region.

Though the two deras officially maintain that they do not advise followers on who to vote
for, candidates queue up and lobby actively for their blessings.

According to sources in both the deras, the heads have preferred to choose candidates
and not party this time. “Babaji has not advised is followers to spread the word for a
specific party this time. The candidates of different political parties in different Assembly
segments are being blessed in the polls,” said an insider belonging to the Radha Soami
dera, popularly known as Dera Beasi near Amritsar

The recent appointment of Dera Beasi’s Baba Gurinder Singh Dhillon’s brother-in-law
Parminder Singh Sekhon as advisor to chief minister Parkash Singh Badal was seen as an
indication of the dera’s tilt towards Akali-BJP combine. However, Gandhi’s recent stay is
being seen as “fruitful”.

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/deras-queer-pitch-in-triangular-fight/articleshow/56943544.cms

Radha Soami Satsang, popularly known as Dera Beas, has its followers spread all over the Doaba and Majha regions. Like other deras, it has never openly supported any particular party though it did show a tilt towards the Congress. In the 2012 election, however, the dera shifted its allegiance to the SAD. This was largely attributed to the marriage of Bikram Singh Majithia, a Cabinet Minister and brother-in-law of Deputy Chief Minister Sukhbir Singh Badal, to the daughter of the former chief of the dera.

https://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/of-deras-dynasties-and-drugs/article17533630.ece

@ AJ : Would you have a link to any article/s that would better my understanding of all these Guru-Deras in the Punjab ? The followings aren't predominantly Sikh, if I'm right. What impact have these Deras had on the Sikh factions ... the Jats, the Ravidassis etc. ? I'm given to understand there's been a massive cultural erosion in the Punjab, especially within linguistics. If you understand Punjabi, here's Rabbi's interview for BBC Punjabi :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMaMFG6Y9Lo
It's a tad amiable, but he's made some interesting points.

On another note, RSSB is listed under " Contemporary Sant Mat Movements " under Sikh Groups :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sikh_groups_and_sects
Interesting.

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