Comments on Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guruTypePad2018-07-11T02:10:18ZBrian Hineshttps://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://hinessight.blogs.com/church_of_the_churchless/2018/07/gurinder-singhs-billionaire-nephew-rumored-to-succeed-him-as-rssb-guru/comments/atom.xml/Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3b1333d200b2018-09-15T12:28:10Z2018-09-15T16:52:01ZJesseDharam, I'm pretty sure I said that I was not sure it was the same Dhillons in that Dhillon group....<p>Dharam, I'm pretty sure I said that I was not sure it was the same Dhillons in that Dhillon group. </p>
<p>But the RS Dhillons sold dangerous tainted medicines, so that's worse than selling alcohol and lottery tickets.</p>
<p>Your master and his family have unethical business practices due to uncontrollable greed. </p>dharam commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3b132f7200b2018-09-15T12:17:02Z2018-09-15T16:52:01ZdharamJesse you have really gone mad.Are all dhillons in India or abroad related to RSSB. There may be thousands of...<p>Jesse<br />
you have really gone mad.Are all dhillons in India or abroad related to RSSB. There may be thousands of persons with dhillon surname and they may be dealing in lottery,wine whatever.The dhillon grouo mentioned by you has no relations with RSSB or Master. You know it and only pretending to defame RSSB.I think you have lost senses..</p>AJ commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad36ab8c2200c2018-09-12T20:59:54Z2018-09-12T21:14:31ZAJ@ Dungeness What is a cult? Great Master’s teaching was so open. He said do not believe even a Master...<p>@ Dungeness</p>
<p>What is a cult?<br />
Great Master’s teaching was so open. He said do not believe even a Master unless you experience it yourself. Do not be tied down to something that says don’t go anywhere else. You have a Master now you can’t go anywhere else. If you go anywhere else, you are being unfaithful. That is a cult. That is not the work of a Perfect Living Master. Perfect Living Master’s say go anywhere you like and find the best thing you can.</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/DolLFKvQt40?t=2587" rel="nofollow">https://youtu.be/DolLFKvQt40?t=2587</a></p>Priya commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3ae79af200b2018-09-05T08:56:57Z2018-09-05T08:56:57ZPriyaRecent news suggest that Shivinder has finally broken his silence and filed a case against brother Malvinder because the case...<p>Recent news suggest that Shivinder has finally broken his silence and filed a case against brother Malvinder because the case against both of them is tarnishing the reputation of Gurinder Dhillon. So, Shivinder (who is next in line to become babaji) says that he had no control over the doings of Malvinder. Anyone who believes this is a fool. If Malvinder and Shivinder both get dragged to court then obviously the name of Gurinder Singh also gets dragged in (plus Satsangs assets can be frozen). Also imagine the blow to all the followers. But if Shivinder now cries foul then this way one of them can be saved.</p>Appreciative Reader commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35ef1ed200c2018-07-30T13:41:10Z2018-07-30T20:06:09ZAppreciative ReaderJesse, you make a valid point. With centrally-driven, near-dictatorial movements/religions/organizations like RSSB, or for that matter the Roman Catholic Church,...<p>Jesse, you make a valid point. With centrally-driven, near-dictatorial movements/religions/organizations like RSSB, or for that matter the Roman Catholic Church, the de facto beliefs and attitudes of the followers of these faiths have limited value if the aim is to find out what these religions really are about. In these cases, it is the diktat from above that would trump de facto belief on the ground every time.</p>
<p>(Unlike less centralized religions like -- and once again the example that comes to mind is the same as the example I’d put forward last time -- Islam. And this time it is Islam that comes across as more democratic and more open in principle, for better or for worse, to diverse interpretations and observances, than either the RCC or RSSB.)</p>
<p>So that, in asking the question that I did, the truly relevant factor would have been to focus no so much on individual believers’ views, but on the official RSSB view (preferably the view of the RSSB Gurus themselves, whether past or present) about other “sister” denominations and the Gurus leading those denominations. I take your point.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>My question remains (in more coherent form now thanks to Jesse), should anyone here have that answer : How does RSSB -- that is, the RSSB organization, and preferably one or more of the RSSB Masters -- explain the existence other sister denominations, as well as the “Masters” leading those denominations? (I mean, given that succeeding Masters are always, apparently, personally anointed by the predecessor Master during the latter’s lifetime?) And what is its official stance towards these other denominations and other Sant Mat Masters?</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35e31cf200c2018-07-27T00:58:46Z2018-07-27T04:08:19ZJesse"...would actually speak well of RSSB. I suppose I’d feel decidedly more sympathetic (other things being equal) of a religious...<p>"...would actually speak well of RSSB. I suppose I’d feel decidedly more sympathetic (other things being equal) of a religious denomination that viewed its other sister denominations with respect"</p>
<p>But you didn't ask about the gurus beliefs or the sect's official stance. You asked about the beliefs of believers. There are many believers within the Catholic Church who emphasize the sayings of various saints that elude to the possibility of God's grace giving salvation to all. Others emphasize the line you might have heard that says "there is no salvation outside the church."</p>
<p>But the Church has doctrine that says one more than the other, and what various believers may or may think sounds good might not be right according to the church.</p>
<p>Same goes for RS. Me and my friends in the sangat's theories and justifications have nothing to do with what RSSB teaches or what Gurinder, the only and final authority in the sect, believes. If he says tomorrow "all who were initiated by Kirpal will burn in hell" then that is the official RSSB teaching since the Guru is the religion. What I said or believed meant and means absolutely nothing so there's no reason to think RS respects other denominations based on my theory.</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3844014200d2018-07-27T00:50:18Z2018-07-27T04:08:19ZJesse"Like they do in Islam, for example." Islam is the "too easy" answer. A lot of ISKCON type of Hindus...<p>"Like they do in Islam, for example."</p>
<p>Islam is the "too easy" answer. A lot of ISKCON type of Hindus think that Shakti cult followers are pretty much doomed devil worshipers. A large number, possibly a majority, of Sikhs think Namdharis should be massacred for not believing in GGSJ as God. Charan Singh cut off communication with Agra RS and also Namdhari Sikhs, and though was quiet about it, seemed to think they were not truly spiritual people or something by the way he mentioned it in that weird book published just prior to his death. </p>
<p>Sectarianism is a universal aspect of religion. Not just Islam.</p>
<p>Also, my two choices weren't contradictory.They were applied to each instance on the basis of "merit" which I now think was not merit at all.</p>
<p> It was just that if I thought someone was holy I considered the possibility that they were legitimate heirs not mentioned by the Guru because he knows best. But if for any reasons rational or not I disliked them, such as with Kirpal Singh's RS or unaffiliated sects like the Nirankaris, I'd apply the second rule.</p>
<p>But I know I'm not alone on this either because I had conversations with others who agreed.</p>Appreciative Reader commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a3e83c200b2018-07-26T14:01:22Z2018-07-26T17:20:15ZAppreciative ReaderThanks for your response, Jesse. Absolutely, you qualify as believer, because you’re clearly channeling your earlier, believing self here. Your...<p>Thanks for your response, Jesse. Absolutely, you qualify as believer, because you’re clearly channeling your earlier, believing self here.</p>
<p>Your #1 makes sense. That is, there isn’t necessarily any reason why that shouldn’t be so. Of course, your #2 seems a bit contradictory of your #1 (that is, not necessarily contradictory, exactly, but not quite in agreement with your #1 : after all, if your particular “master” can anoint twenty different successors, why then would his master not have, in turn, anointed twenty others, so that your own master can very legitimately end up having nineteen bona fide and perfectly genuine “competitors”?). But of course, I realize that was your (past) emotion speaking, not your reason. And you clearly no longer stand by those views.</p>
<p>You’re saying -- going by your #1 -- that RSSB followers would view (provided they shared your idea, expressed in your #1) that most (if not all) other Sant Mat denominations also are bona fide vehicles to the Ultimate. And so what we have today is not just one GIHF, but many GIHFs. That would seem to be the inescapable implication of this line of thought. Correct?</p>
<p>Great. That does answer my question.</p>
<p>I realize you can only speak for yourself, not for others, but would you have any idea at all what view, if any, the RSSB organization officially holds about this? About other “competitor” denominations?</p>
<p><br />
Also, it would be interesting to know what other RSSB believers and sympathizers (or for that matter ex-believers and ex-sympathizers, channeling their earlier, faithful selves, like you did) felt about this. After all a sample size of three or four or five, while still being anecdotal, would be at least somewhat more general than a sample size of just one. Especially when that one is what is referred to in these parts as an “exer”.</p>
<p><br />
PS : You know, Jesse, I realize, going by your past comments here, that it was far from your intention to boost up RSSB when you said this here, but still, this implication -- without going into the ‘true’ or ‘false’ or the right or wrong of the whole RSSB ideology/theology, that would be a whole other discussion -- would actually speak well of RSSB. I suppose I’d feel decidedly more sympathetic (other things being equal) of a religious denomination that viewed its other sister denominations with respect, than one which viewed followers of other denominations within the same religion as evil sinners and doomed hell-bound heretics. Like they do in Islam, for example.</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35dcc1d200c2018-07-25T14:11:03Z2018-07-25T17:34:19ZJesseSince nobody replied to your question about successorship, I'll tell you what I told myself when I was a believer....<p>Since nobody replied to your question about successorship, I'll tell you what I told myself when I was a believer.</p>
<p>1. Masters sometimes appointed more than one successor for different locations and disciples, and the masters didn't feel the need to tell anyone about it. I also thought that it was possible that the successors were appointed non-verbally or non-physically at times and that there may have been dozens, hundreds, or thousands of sat gurus initiating people and guru-ing all over the world in secret.</p>
<p>2. Masters who were competitors of my guru were frauds who'd usurped the holy mantle of "guy who gives talks about god and gets rich", and that I had some ability to discern between the real and fake because, of course, I was a lucky marked soul. What this meant in reality is that I made excuses for my lineage (asli) and found faults in all the others (nakli).</p>
<p>There were more things I thought in those days but this is what I remember now.</p>Appreciative Reader commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35dc87d200c2018-07-25T13:15:14Z2018-07-25T17:34:19ZAppreciative ReaderThis is to bump up my comment, above, where I request RSSB followers/believers/sympathizers their view on this : (a) The...<p>This is to bump up my comment, above, where I request RSSB followers/believers/sympathizers their view on this :</p>
<p>(a) The 'fact' that, within RSSB, the Master necessarily directly appoints his successor within his (the former's) lifetime (do you agree with this?) ; and</p>
<p>(b) If the above is true, then surely the proliferation of denominations within Sant Mat seems curious? Do you have some explanation, some theory, about this proliferation?</p>
<p>I'm requesting only for the believer's explanation, because the scoffer's explanation is simple, the scoffer can, without effort, come up with quite a few plausible explanations. On the other hand, I cannot imagine what kind of explanation the belIever might put forward (while still remaining a believer). </p>Appreciative Reader commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35d3cac200c2018-07-23T14:57:53Z2018-07-23T14:57:53ZAppreciative ReaderI came across this comment the other day, can't quite recall whose, and which I cannot immediately locate via a...<p>I came across this comment the other day, can't quite recall whose, and which I cannot immediately locate via a quick search, that within the RSSB lineage, succession always follows direct appointment by the previous master.</p>
<p>Assuming this is correct, then this is what I'd like to know : Given that the existing master appoints his successor, why then are there so many different lineages within Sant Mat?</p>
<p><br />
Actually I'm asking this question only of those who subscribe to the RSSB ideology. Non-believers and "exers" can of course explain this easily by putting this whole thing down to power-grabbing, plain and simple, by whoever is able to. What I'm requesting for now is the believers' POV about this question.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>Dev commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a2c41d200b2018-07-22T05:23:58Z2018-07-22T05:23:58ZDevJesse wrote "Kewal Singh Dhillon, has such a fetish for wristwatches that he has distributed nearly 1,000 of them among...<p>Jesse wrote<br />
"Kewal Singh Dhillon, has such a fetish for wristwatches that he has distributed nearly 1,000 of them among his supporters and members of his election campaign staff."</p>
<p>Charan Singh also had a wrist watch fetish. Coincidence? Or are wristwatch fetishes genetically heritable?"<br />
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I think there are millions of people in India who may have fetish for wristwatches or whatever but does that mean they all are related to GSD.</p>
<p>You directly accused GSD for that Dhillon Group of Companies selling liquor as if it is owned by him or he has any role in that company whereas the truth is that the owner of the company is not even RSSB initiate....</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a24872200b2018-07-20T03:27:10Z2018-07-20T03:42:40ZJesseWent to find a good UG (the OG) Krishnamurti quote and voila, Brian had already written about the guy. Here's...<p>Went to find a good UG (the OG) Krishnamurti quote and voila, Brian had already written about the guy.</p>
<p>Here's some great wisdom for all, especially the conflicted and "polite" westerners who in our lifetimes are likely going to have to face the horrors we normally just inflict on poor brown people abroad in order to gain cheap starbucks and oil-</p>
<p>"Instead of being what you are -- unkind -- you pursue the fictitious opposite put before you -- kindness. To emphasize what we should be, only causes strain, giving momentum to what we already in fact are. </p>
<p>In nature we find the animals at one time violent and brutal, at others kind and generous. For them there is no contradiction. But man is told he must be always good, kind, loving, never greedy or violent. We emphasize only one side of reality, thus distorting the whole picture."</p>
<p>More to unpack in those few UG sentences than anything else we're talking about here, including hidden money African AIDS cures and transcendentalist engineering breakthroughs.<br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad38280bf200d2018-07-20T03:01:54Z2018-07-20T03:42:41ZJesseJim, My favorite websites are 4Chan and Gab, so an outright fightclub sounds great to me actually. I don't see...<p>Jim, </p>
<p>My favorite websites are 4Chan and Gab, so an outright fightclub sounds great to me actually.<br />
<br />
I don't see being polite as something extremely valuable and often times those calling for everyone to be polite are doing it for less than honorable reasons. It's a big shut-it-down tactic in American politics. Maybe you have good reasons for wanting heavier moderation, but if it's just because people get butthurt for being called out, then I think it's a bad idea.</p>
<p>My work here is pretty much done here, so people whining about me for not writing 3rd rate spiritual poetry can take a sigh of relief. They can go back to the safety of politeness and unchallenged cult beliefs, ufo's and stigmata-experiencing inventors. </p>
<p>Not sure if it's me who you're accusing of changing names, but if you think that, then you're wrong. I've posted on this site years ago with my name, Jesse. Brian wrote a little ex satsangi thing about me years ago, too. </p>
<p>Still the same Jesse. Still a straight G</p>Jim Sutherland commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a245a8200b2018-07-20T01:57:18Z2018-07-20T03:42:41ZJim SutherlandSad to say, but Brian’s Blog is getting to be another “ Fight Club”, following the example of how David...<p>Sad to say, but Brian’s Blog is getting to be another “ Fight Club”, following the example of how David Lane’s Radhasoamis Fight Club became when Professor Lane could no longer handle even moderating the abusive Ad-hominem attacks of members against each other and had to retire from moderating the site, turninig it over to James Bean, who has turned it around and made it an interesting site to read again. If any one here is curious to see how it all ended, with border line insanity and melt down by ubusive members left unmoderated too long, search exsatsangi yahoo group, scroll thru the porno links until arriving at the War against Professor Lane! I believe ( and recognise ) some of those abusive Fight Clubers posting here using new pseudo Avatars. </p>
<p>I hope Brian Hines does not let this Forum deteriorate in to another RSS Fight Club RSSB Anarchy. </p>
<p>Church Mambers here might voluntarily take their own personal Inventory, as Alcoholics do in AA.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder" rel="nofollow">https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder</a> </p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Jim Sufherland</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3827a01200d2018-07-20T00:27:28Z2018-07-20T03:42:41ZJesseYes Manjit, I get it. Some people who see things invent important things sometimes. Who cares? There are life changing...<p>Yes Manjit, I get it. Some people who see things invent important things sometimes. </p>
<p>Who cares? </p>
<p>There are life changing inventions and discoveries happening all the time, and when I read about them and listen to the inventors, almost never do they mention milk coming from murthis, sai baba ghosts or their guru manifesting his radiant form in front of them and telling them how electricity works or otherwise.</p>
<p>You're dealing with a tiny fraction of important things in the world and attempting to make it look like an intrinsic link exists between ALL important things and supposed astral projecting mystic voodoo. </p>manjit commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad382795a200d2018-07-20T00:11:10Z2018-07-20T03:42:41ZmanjitMore Wiki (drearily superficial :) on Jack Parsons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons_(rocket_engineer) "John Whiteside "Jack" Parsons (born Marvel Whiteside Parsons;[nb 1] October 2,...<p>More Wiki (drearily superficial :) on Jack Parsons:</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons_(rocket_engineer)" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons_(rocket_engineer)</a></p>
<p>"John Whiteside "Jack" Parsons (born Marvel Whiteside Parsons;[nb 1] October 2, 1914 – June 17, 1952) was an American rocket engineer and rocket propulsion researcher, chemist, and Thelemite occultist.</p>
<p>......</p>
<p>Parsons' occult and libertarian writings were published posthumously, with Western esoteric and countercultural circles citing him as one of the most significant figures in propagating Thelema across North America. Although academic interest in his scientific career was negligible, historians came to recognize Parsons' contributions to rocket engineering. For these innovations, his advocacy of space exploration and human spaceflight, and his role in the founding of JPL and Aerojet, Parsons is regarded as among the most important figures in the history of the U.S. space program. He has been the subject of several biographies and fictionalized portrayals, including the television drama Strange Angel."</p>manjit commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a240dd200b2018-07-20T00:08:17Z2018-07-20T03:42:41ZmanjitHi Jesse! You write: "There's no reasonable way to talk to rs cult members. If you think the Vedas or...<p>Hi Jesse! You write: "There's no reasonable way to talk to rs cult members. If you think the Vedas or the Bible or baba whoever inspired space travel"</p>
<p>Oh! So you're not aware of the history of Jack Parsons, the famous occultist, who designed "solid fuel" which enabled NASA's shuttles to get into space?</p>
<p>Hey, I know you're a fan of "pop-media", so perhaps you should, instead of getting the real, deep, intimate history between the occult & "inspiring space travel", you should just watch this current TV show on Jack Parsons, and how his occult beliefs led a nation into space?:</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Angel" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Angel</a></p>
<p>I like you, Jesse :)</p>
<p>Please come back and play tomorrow, I must sleep & perchance dream....who knows what scientific discoveries I may uncover!!</p>Jen commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35c674c200c2018-07-19T23:47:47Z2018-07-20T03:42:41ZJenSpence, I don't think you are "annoying oddball or slightly delusional" :) No probs bro. Cheers Jen<p>Spence,</p>
<p>I don't think you are "annoying oddball or slightly delusional" :)</p>
<p>No probs bro.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Jen<br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a24005200b2018-07-19T23:40:13Z2018-07-20T03:42:41ZJesse"Jesse is just here to mess with people's minds." There's no reasonable way to talk to rs cult members. If...<p>"Jesse is just here to mess with people's minds."</p>
<p>There's no reasonable way to talk to rs cult members. If you think the Vedas or the Bible or baba whoever inspired space travel (a common claim among all indian religions) then you're likely crazy.</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad38277fc200d2018-07-19T23:31:09Z2018-07-20T03:42:41ZSpencer TepperThank you Jen Your annoying oddball (slightly delusional) brother Spence<p>Thank you Jen<br />
Your annoying oddball (slightly delusional) brother</p>
<p>Spence</p>Jen commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35c663c200c2018-07-19T23:19:42Z2018-07-20T03:42:41ZJenSpencer, I don't like Jesse. I think he is all about creating trouble here on this blog. I really have...<p>Spencer,</p>
<p>I don't like Jesse. I think he is all about creating trouble here on this blog. I really have to stop reading and posting here. Its not a nice atmosphere, to me anyway, people just constantly fighting. Whats the point. It used to be different. Jesse is just here to mess with people's minds.</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3827677200d2018-07-19T23:01:19Z2018-07-20T03:42:41ZSpencer TepperJen You wrote "All out war." What are you fighting to defend? What do you believe is being threatened? I...<p>Jen</p>
<p>You wrote<br />
"All out war."</p>
<p>What are you fighting to defend? <br />
What do you believe is being threatened? </p>
<p>I may be misguided, but it seems I'm usually on the defensive against some slander or another. </p>
<p>Was there ever a time here when you were not at war with someone or something? </p>
<p>War has its place, but before jumping there, because there is always collateral damage, please help me understand your answers to the above questions.</p>
<p>Dialogue is much preferred. </p>
<p>Can you love someone you don't like? </p>
<p>I think that's what it means to avoid judgment and live in a world with many different people, each like family.. </p>
<p>Your bro</p>
<p>Spence </p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3827628200d2018-07-19T22:51:13Z2018-07-20T03:42:41ZSpencer TepperJesse No problem. No one should believe either of us. But when you post an unverified accusation against anyone, don't...<p>Jesse<br />
No problem. <br />
No one should believe either of us. </p>
<p>But when you post an unverified accusation against anyone, don't be surprised when it is challenged. </p>
<p>If they are really interested in truth anyone can do as I did, make an appointment with the Indian Embassy and find out. </p>
<p>We live in an age when fake news, unverified accusations, basically slander, fills the interned and is accepted as truth. </p>
<p>And clearly this Church has its share of propaganda. </p>
<p>But truth is something else. Brian defined the standard: fact. So here it is. </p>
<p>Call and check if you are interested. </p>
<p>And avoid bullying, Jesse. It undermines your credibility.<br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a23b5e200b2018-07-19T22:04:40Z2018-07-19T22:04:40ZJesse"I had to make an appointment with the embassy." Sorry Spencer, but I don't believe you. Sorry. I trust myself,...<p>"I had to make an appointment with the embassy."</p>
<p>Sorry Spencer, but I don't believe you. Sorry.</p>
<p> I trust myself, and I recognize your kind of deceptive behavior.</p>
<p>Jesse</p>Jen commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a23b30200b2018-07-19T22:02:13Z2018-07-19T22:02:13ZJenSpence says: "And in our next life all of us here, Brian, you, Jesse, Manjit, Jen, One, 777, Dungeness, are...<p>Spence says: "And in our next life all of us here, Brian, you, Jesse, Manjit, Jen, One, 777, Dungeness, are all going to be family and neighbors, and for me, most disagreeable, that Brian will be the head of a family that I have the misfortune of being born into at his son!</p>
<p>The one who will pull that family through it and actually bring them to the Path once more will be the woman who will play the role of Mom, who, right now, is in meditation, and had left this world several years ago, but who knew your future Dad very well."</p>
<p>Spencer, absolutely horrifying! Hope you are not psychic and this is just a dream (more like a nightmare). Jesse as a brother - all out war lol</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35c610a200c2018-07-19T21:26:09Z2018-07-19T21:26:09ZSpencer TepperJesse I had to make an appointment with the embassy. Call the Embassy. Make an appointment. Even undeclared items that...<p>Jesse</p>
<p>I had to make an appointment with the embassy. </p>
<p>Call the Embassy. Make an appointment. </p>
<p>Even undeclared items that you own can be given as gifts, they said. </p>
<p>Jesse, your flames of bullying cleanse my soul, thank you. </p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3826f7e200d2018-07-19T20:46:10Z2018-07-19T20:46:10ZJesseJust accidentally deleted a long comment, but let's get this straight. Spence called the extremely busy and disorganized Indian embassy,...<p>Just accidentally deleted a long comment, but let's get this straight.</p>
<p>Spence called the extremely busy and disorganized Indian embassy, they took time to answer his questions about Gurus, and the current staff during this computer era knew the details of import duties during the 1970's.</p>
<p>I'm willing to bet Spence is, just as he was when he claimed to know everything about Gurinder's family's business, full of sh*t.</p>
<p>There's no way they'd waste the time to answer your stupid questions about 1970's imports. I've had to talk to the Chicago consulate and NY embassy for legitimate VISA related things and I simply don't believe you.</p>
<p>The more you post, the less I think you're honest. Every single thing posted about your God is met with an immediate rebuttal that you claim is so sound and true only until we find out it isn't. Just like "they're curing AIDS in Africa" until oops.... Ranbaxy sold dirty meds even after getting caught doing it. You didn't do your homework.</p>PJ commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3826d57200d2018-07-19T20:11:48Z2018-07-19T20:11:48ZPJDelared, yes. But he specifically says that he was bringing things in undeclared. But I'll grant you this, he doesn't...<p>Delared, yes. But he specifically says that he was bringing things in undeclared. But I'll grant you this, he doesn't say it was by order of Charan Singh. Maybe this Mohinder guy just got carried away, and later Charan was embarassed by it. </p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a2346d200b2018-07-19T19:52:21Z2018-07-19T20:08:33ZSpencer TepperPJ This has been a long debunked narrative. But people will believe without question what they will. Contact Indian Embassy...<p>PJ<br />
This has been a long debunked narrative. But people will believe without question what they will. </p>
<p>Contact Indian Embassy in New York City as I did years ago after reading this questionable narrative. Let them confirm for you what they confirmed for me. </p>
<p>I made a phone appointment with the Embassy "Secretary"..actually more like the Embassy manager.</p>
<p>He confirmed that it is customary, part of the actual expectation, that friends and relatives use their declaration limit to bring things in for friends, relatives, even for one's Guru. Entirely legal and expected. He even asked for the name of my Guru and the location in India, then replied "Yes, yes, entirely normal." </p>
<p>A second narrative circulating at the time was that people were smuggling in Pcs under their declaration limit as their own personal goods. But as with all the above, everyone showed everything at customs, and indicated the PC was going to be a gift. </p>
<p>I asked the Secretary if this was legal, or if there was some issue with bringing technology into the country. </p>
<p>"No. It is certainly not a problem, so long as it is within the visitor's declaration limit and they are willing to pay whatever duty remains on the additional amount. Very standard, and nothing unusual there. Gifts of technology from the West are quite popular.. "</p>
<p>Believe what you will. </p>
<p>Believe one 's own prejudice. </p>
<p>Or go to the minimal effort to pick up the phone. </p>
<p>It's all a reflection of what is in you. </p>PJ commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a231a8200b2018-07-19T19:05:58Z2018-07-19T20:08:33ZPJThere was no internet when I learned about RSSB. The only info I could find on them came from themselves....<p>There was no internet when I learned about RSSB. The only info I could find on them came from themselves. Had i read the account on Jesse's link, that would have ended my interest there and then. <br />
If the master is not GIHF, then the whole thing is a fraud. A deception from day 1. You know this. </p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a230d4200b2018-07-19T18:46:22Z2018-07-19T20:08:33ZSpencer TepperHi Tucson You asked why I comment here and noted.. "You know there is no end to the mind game....<p>Hi Tucson</p>
<p>You asked why I comment here and noted.. </p>
<p>"You know there is no end to the mind game. Believers generally don't come here, with some exceptions, and non-believers will never be satisfied. Wouldn't meditation and satsang be more of a priority than this blog?"</p>
<p>Let's pretend for the moment that in Meditation, looking through the scrolls of history (including the point of history we are currently living through) , we find in our last life we were friends. And in our next life all of us here, Brian, you, Jesse, Manjit, Jen, One, 777, Dungeness, are all going to be family and neighbors, and for me, most disagreeable, that Brian will be the head of a family that I have the misfortune of being born into at his son! Once having accepted this as fact, that I must return, then the question.. What can I do to make things go more smoothly? </p>
<p>Let's follow this fantasy story for a moment. Let's say a wizard gave you the chance to communicate with these folks before hand and grease the wheels. Especially with the guy who is destined to be your next dad. </p>
<p>The rules of engagement are simple.<br />
He is going to be in great conflict with you as a rebellious son is viewed by a narrow minded father. </p>
<p>You have a chance to help him accept someone he believes is absolutely wrong, as decent, and worthy of both compassion and honor : the exact attitude of a truly great parent, who will never understand completely their kids but supports them 1000% with every cell in their body (that would describe my dad in this life).</p>
<p>Now, if at any point that future dad though you might be right that would actually destroy the opportunity to lay down the impressions of tolerance for the next.</p>
<p>So you must do two things. Maintain the disbelief of those around you, and find a way to engender their tolerance, acceptance and good will even while personally they think your are dead wrong. </p>
<p>But its all just fantasy, right? The one who will pull that family through it and actually bring them to the Path once more will be the woman who will play the role of Mom, who, right now, is in meditation, and had left this world several years ago, but who knew your future Dad very well.</p>
<p>So while I am also providing you the reasons, I'm maintaining my role as the oddball who is not to be believed. </p>
<p>Only the heart could discern the truth of that. <br />
</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad38266c0200d2018-07-19T18:10:37Z2018-07-19T20:08:33ZSpencer TepperHi Jesse You wrote "inability to accept that people think you're wrong." Interesting. If you can accept the same what's...<p>Hi Jesse</p>
<p>You wrote<br />
"inability to accept that people think you're wrong."</p>
<p>Interesting. </p>
<p>If you can accept the same what's the problem? </p>
<p>I have an interesting story about Frank, for another time. </p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35c507c200c2018-07-19T16:24:18Z2018-07-19T20:08:33ZJesseI was initiated somewhere between 2005 and 2009 by a cult member named Frank Vogel in a hotel meeting room...<p>I was initiated somewhere between 2005 and 2009 by a cult member named Frank Vogel in a hotel meeting room in Chicago. It was so lame that I don't even remember when it was. </p>
<p>I practiced the meditation, had some "mystical experiences" which I don't believe were "mystical" at all, and I am now here trying to have discussions with rational people, which you are preventing me from doing because the cult floods message boards where ex members dare to speak their heretical views on so-called sant mat.</p>
<p>This began happening on other online communities I found, which is a pretty telltale sign of a cult i.e. inability to accept that people think you're wrong.</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35c4e53200c2018-07-19T15:49:06Z2018-07-19T20:08:33ZSpencer TepperHi Jesse So, you were initiated? How long ago? Did you practice the meditation at all?<p>Hi Jesse<br />
So, you were initiated? <br />
How long ago? <br />
Did you practice the meditation at all? <br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a22713200b2018-07-19T15:28:32Z2018-07-19T20:08:33ZJesse"Was that RSSB? When? What hapened?" Spencer, what happened is that I learned that RSSB is full of sh*t and...<p>"Was that RSSB? <br />
When?</p>
<p>What hapened?"</p>
<p>Spencer, what happened is that I learned that RSSB is full of sh*t and its followers are generally not good people. I also learned that the leader of RSSB who calls himself God happens to be at the center of a lot of illegal activity which i don't want to be associated with.</p>
<p>Jesse</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a226a2200b2018-07-19T15:26:30Z2018-07-19T20:08:33ZJesse777, all 10 million are liars and frauds, including you.<p>777, all 10 million are liars and frauds, including you.</p>777 commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad38259df200d2018-07-19T14:45:40Z2018-07-19T20:08:33Z777Jesse : "" If you were seeing God in your head, you'd have no time to argue with me. ""...<p>Jesse :<br />
"" If you were seeing God in your head, you'd have no time to argue with me. ""</p>
<p>ALL the time with ALL in capitals</p>
<p>Jesse, You can't know, . . don't judge such a situation in so many of 10M disciples</p>
<p>777</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3825883200d2018-07-19T14:22:23Z2018-07-19T20:08:33ZSpencer TepperHi Jesse You write "Thanks for repeating the propaganda, One, but I read it all years ago as a satsangi."...<p>Hi Jesse<br />
You write<br />
"Thanks for repeating the propaganda, One, but I read it all years ago as a satsangi."</p>
<p>Was that RSSB? <br />
When? </p>
<p>What hapened? </p>One Initiated commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3825849200d2018-07-19T14:19:32Z2018-07-19T14:19:41ZOne Initiatedhttp://profile.typepad.com/oneinitiatedYes reading all years is still easier, than to wake up at 3 AM and sat for 2.5 hours for...<p>Yes reading all years is still easier,<br />
than to wake up at 3 AM and sat for 2.5 hours <br />
for continuous 40 days.</p>
<p>honestly, did you ever ?<br />
before coming to the conclusion of illusion ?</p>
<p>It takes a lot of guts and is not easy to be strict on yourself.<br />
We forgive our own mistakes so easily,<br />
whereas for the exact same mistakes by others,<br />
we are harshly judgemental. Think in silence.<br />
It's an eternal grip - A Mahajaal (Guru Nanak).</p>
<p>40 days is a small timespan,<br />
worth the experiment, the results are outstanding.<br />
And the flavour is amazing.<br />
A truly scientific person would surely do that.<br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a21f5e200b2018-07-19T13:49:00Z2018-07-19T20:08:34ZJesseThanks for repeating the propaganda, One, but I read it all years ago as a satsangi.<p>Thanks for repeating the propaganda, One, but I read it all years ago as a satsangi.</p>One Initiated commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a20ec1200b2018-07-19T05:51:28Z2018-07-19T05:51:33ZOne Initiatedhttp://profile.typepad.com/oneinitiatedLike I said, As you are currently trapped badly in the mind games, It's impossible for someone to even tell...<p>Like I said,</p>
<p>As you are currently trapped badly in the mind games,<br />
It's impossible for someone to even tell their own experiences to you currently.<br />
That's a sad situation you are in right now.<br />
You can reason anything and anyone - and that's the duty of mind.</p>
<p>You will convincingly accept the experiences of failures,<br />
and reject the valid, proven and rich experiences,<br />
however both claims just by telling - for there is no other way.<br />
Exceptionally - the failures doesn't even need to prove anything,<br />
they have just to say "NO" "NOTHING" and it's agreeable.</p>
<p>Exclude me, I was not even telling about myself either,<br />
What about Spencer, 777 and Jim,<br />
these guys have shared their beautiful inner experiences.</p>
<p>When someone says there isn't water in a transparent glass - <br />
You: "OK Accepted."</p>
<p>And the other one says it's filled with something <br />
which taste beyond any possible taste in this world,<br />
You reply: "No" I can't see it.<br />
Him: "It's invisible, can't be seen. You've to come up and taste it, it's amazing"<br />
You: "There are more people saying there is nothing"<br />
You: "No, I won't even bother to come up and taste. It's not visible, I don't think it exist"<br />
Him: "Your wish" 😌<br />
Him: "By the way, if ever you will change your mind at all, the glass is always available<br />
to be tasted and experienced, don't let your guilt and ego to pull you always back from tasting it"</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3824477200d2018-07-19T05:34:20Z2018-07-19T06:58:23ZJesse"Because you've not yet seen inside your head" Neither have you, One Initiated, which is why you're online trying to...<p>"Because you've not yet seen inside your head"</p>
<p>Neither have you, One Initiated, which is why you're online trying to convince me of this supposedly wonderful inner experience that is so pure and addicting that it makes men into angels.</p>
<p>If you were seeing God in your head, you'd have no time to argue with me. </p>
<p>Be honest with yourself. You've seen nothing. You've heard nothing. And you're in a cult.</p>
<p>Jesse</p>One Initiated commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a20e33200b2018-07-19T05:28:01Z2018-07-19T05:28:04ZOne Initiatedhttp://profile.typepad.com/oneinitiatedJesse, "And my answer is "Yes." Absolutely I think that as far as people seeing things in their head when...<p>Jesse,</p>
<p>"And my answer is "Yes." Absolutely I think that as far as people seeing things in their head when they sit still for a few hours it is all illusions"</p>
<p>Because you've not yet seen inside your head.</p>
<p>Once you will see, you will realise it's not just seeing,<br />
it's experiencing the Authority.</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad382439b200d2018-07-19T05:05:24Z2018-07-19T05:13:09ZSpencer TepperHi Brian You ask "Why should anyone believe your statements over those of Tara?" They should not believe anything that...<p>Hi Brian</p>
<p>You ask<br />
"Why should anyone believe your statements over those of Tara?"</p>
<p>They should not believe anything that can't be verified personally. They would include slander just as readily as spiritual experience. </p>
<p>But if there were one thing I couldn't verify but chose to believe, it would be some positive place of future progress whose vision and belief actually brought me closer to that. </p>
<p></p>
<p><br />
</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35c31dd200c2018-07-19T04:16:37Z2018-07-19T04:16:37ZSpencer TepperBrian I get that you want to believe the Tara narratives as it's polemic flatters your own. However, your description...<p>Brian</p>
<p>I get that you want to believe the Tara narratives as it's polemic flatters your own. However, your description of that author...</p>
<p>"Tara, who socialized with Gurinder Singh/Charan Singh and who comes from a family with four generations of experience with RSSB, and who exhibits a lot of knowledge about the business dealings of Gurinder Singh and the Singh brothers,"</p>
<p>.... Is not actually correct.</p>
<p>Unlike your claim above the narrative does not contain 'Baba Ji said to me..." No claims of first hand accounts with Baba Ji nor first hand witness of any personal private events or behind the scenes behavior directly witnessed by the author.</p>
<p>The narrative is filled with conjecture about what' might be ' or' probably is ' happening. And to a lesser extent a lot of Hollywood / people magazine kiss and tell references to "a good close friend who is in the inner circle confided in me that..."</p>
<p>The narrative is filled with financial information anyone can get from the news. The emphasis on finance and investment and the complete naivete about spiritual philosophy, including any connection with a mature Satsangi she respects for their spiritualitythrows the objectivity of the narrator into serious doubt.</p>
<p>You and I do not agree on many things, but I do respect the core foundation of your belief in Atheism as grounded in your experience at the highest ethic of personal truth. I don't question that. I honor it.</p>
<p>The author has no such objectivity.</p>
<p> </p>Blogger Brian commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35c2cc1200c2018-07-19T02:17:16Z2018-07-19T02:17:22ZBlogger Brianhttp://profile.typepad.com/brihinesSpencer, you're right. I find someone, Tara, who socialized with Gurinder Singh/Charan Singh and who comes from a family with...<p>Spencer, you're right. </p>
<p>I find someone, Tara, who socialized with Gurinder Singh/Charan Singh and who comes from a family with four generations of experience with RSSB, and who exhibits a lot of knowledge about the business dealings of Gurinder Singh and the Singh brothers, to be much more credible than someone, you, who has no direct knowledge of these affairs, and who claims to have experienced supernatural realms of reality though you provide zero demonstrable evidence of this. </p>
<p>Why should anyone believe your statements over those of Tara?</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35c2502200c2018-07-18T23:32:06Z2018-07-18T23:45:15ZSpencer TepperHi Brian You wrote "You discount the observations of a RSSB insider who was very conversant with the connections between...<p>Hi Brian</p>
<p>You wrote</p>
<p>"You discount the observations of a RSSB insider who was very conversant with the connections between Religare and RSSB. You call those observations "conjecture." Yet you have shared dozens of comments relating to God, supernatural realms, and other entities for which there is zero demonstrable evidence."</p>
<p>The demonstrable evidence can only be within one's own experience, or the yearning for such experience that comes from within.</p>
<p>And there are centuries of anecdotal experience as well. </p>
<p>As for rumors and slander, I see you place real faith in these. Worship that. </p>
<p>"We do not see the world as it is. We see it as we are."<br />
Anais Nin</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35c1638200c2018-07-18T19:29:37Z2018-07-18T21:00:56ZJesseOne Initiated, You are literally reading me quotes from your cult's handbook on a website written by an ex cult...<p>One Initiated, <br />
You are literally reading me quotes from your cult's handbook on a website written by an ex cult member. </p>
<p>You ask about first hand experiences-</p>
<p>"What's your take on those ? All illusions ?"</p>
<p>And my answer is "Yes." Absolutely I think that as far as people seeing things in their head when they sit still for a few hours it is all illusions. As I said earlier- auto suggestion. </p>
<p>When you can find a way to prove otherwise, let me know. Otherwise, keep rambling about your cult while your Greedy Guru gets richer and richer and your country gets poorer and more corrupt. Doesn't matter to me.</p>
<p>Jesse</p>One Initiated commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35beb80200c2018-07-18T08:24:06Z2018-07-18T08:24:08ZOne Initiatedhttp://profile.typepad.com/oneinitiatedJesse, Again you are only talking about others' experiences and pointing to random blog posts. But you are not talking...<p>Jesse,</p>
<p>Again you are only talking about others' experiences<br />
and pointing to random blog posts.</p>
<p>But you are not talking about the first hand experiences.</p>
<p>Do you realise that we have some great accounts posted here<br />
on this Brian's blogs as comments ?<br />
Which are real, rich and first hand experiences of the posters.<br />
What's your take on those ? All illusions ?</p>
<p>When you get trapped in the tricks of the mind,<br />
you will happen to only believe the failures <br />
and call all the successful accounts as illusions.</p>
<p>Do you realise your behaviour is almost exactly the same as<br />
all those who have failed ?<br />
- Lost faith on the Master and The Path<br />
- Curse the Master<br />
- Whole hearted belief on the failed disciples accounts <br />
- Call all the successful ones as illusions<br />
There is a set pattern and you are no exception.</p>
<p>If you have surrendered yourself to your mind<br />
and decided to go astray, it's a sad situation.</p>
<p>I wish you'll see the light and experience the truth,<br />
much before the setting of the Sun.<br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35bd12e200c2018-07-17T21:50:52Z2018-07-18T02:18:05ZJesseOne Initiated, I'll let you decide if you want to read the contents of this link with some pretty specific...<p>One Initiated,</p>
<p>I'll let you decide if you want to read the contents of this link with some pretty specific details about Charan Singh's likely illegal attempt at smuggling personal gifts with the use of free satsangi mule labor.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oocities.org/rssbdata/questionable.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.oocities.org/rssbdata/questionable.htm</a></p>
<p>I'll let you decide how much of a creep Charan Singh probably was and how unsaintly his illegal behavior was.</p>
<p>Jesse</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a1a835200b2018-07-17T21:38:45Z2018-07-18T02:18:05ZJesseOne Initiated, I'll let you decide of you think your very serious reply to an obviously sarcastic comment would put...<p>One Initiated,</p>
<p>I'll let you decide of you think your very serious reply to an obviously sarcastic comment would put you in the category of an online "sperg" or not.</p>
<p>I'll also let you decide if you think Charan Singh had an obsession with curtains or not. I'll let you decide if you want to search through "the books" and talk with satsangis whether or not Charan asked people to bring curtains to India for him so he could avoid paying taxes like he did with his bucket loads of wrist watches.</p>
<p>I'll let you decide whatever you want to decide, really.</p>
<p>Jesse</p>One Initiated commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a19b2b200b2018-07-17T19:07:40Z2018-07-17T19:07:45ZOne Initiatedhttp://profile.typepad.com/oneinitiated"I'll let you decide." How can you let other decide ? If others are to decide, they won't wait for...<p>"I'll let you decide."</p>
<p>How can you let other decide ?<br />
If others are to decide, they won't wait for your letting them decide,<br />
If you are thinking YOU are letting them decide, means you have taken the decision first.</p>
<p>after wrist watches, what next you want to include - fans and curtains ?</p>
<p>What's to be decided by the way, brilliant HELIZL Jesse ?<br />
</p>Dungeness commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad381d0db200d2018-07-17T18:34:13Z2018-07-17T18:34:25ZDungenesshttp://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a532f07a970bThanks, Dungeness. That means a lot to me. That's the spirit!<p></p>
<p>Thanks, Dungeness. That means a lot to me.</p>
<p> <br />
That's the spirit!<br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a184c8200b2018-07-17T13:21:26Z2018-07-17T16:22:46ZJesseThanks, Dev. I didn't know if Kewal was related to the other Dhillons or not, but this quote from the...<p>Thanks, Dev. </p>
<p>I didn't know if Kewal was related to the other Dhillons or not, but this quote from the Times of India raises suspicion of a relationship-</p>
<p>"Kewal Singh Dhillon, has such a fetish for wristwatches that he has distributed nearly 1,000 of them among his supporters and members of his election campaign staff."</p>
<p>Charan Singh also had a wrist watch fetish. Coincidence? Or are wristwatch fetishes genetically heritable? </p>
<p>I'll let you decide.</p>
<p>Jesse</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a18486200b2018-07-17T13:13:19Z2018-07-17T16:22:46ZJesse"Gosh, arrogant, patronizing, and dismissive too. " Thanks, Dungeness. That means a lot to me.<p>"Gosh, arrogant, patronizing, and dismissive too. "</p>
<p>Thanks, Dungeness. That means a lot to me.</p>Dev commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35ba533200c2018-07-17T07:49:28Z2018-07-17T12:52:54ZDevI read few remarks about the Dhillon group of companies being related to GSD but as I searched the company...<p>I read few remarks about the Dhillon group of companies being related to GSD but as I searched the company website, I found it is owned by some millionaire names Kewal Singh Dhillon and has no connection whatsoever with GSD</p>Blogger Brian commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35ba3c6200c2018-07-17T07:01:37Z2018-07-17T07:01:42ZBlogger Brianhttp://profile.typepad.com/brihinesSpencer, you're amusing. You discount the observations of a RSSB insider who was very conversant with the connections between Religare...<p>Spencer, you're amusing. </p>
<p>You discount the observations of a RSSB insider who was very conversant with the connections between Religare and RSSB. You call those observations "conjecture." Yet you have shared dozens of comments relating to God, supernatural realms, and other entities for which there is zero demonstrable evidence. </p>
<p>Methinks you have a massive defect in your own vision, yet you criticize others who are seeing much more clearly than you do. Keep it up. Those who are ignorant of their own ignorance are the last to know about it.</p>Dungeness commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35ba338200c2018-07-17T06:45:43Z2018-07-17T06:45:47ZDungenesshttp://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a532f07a970bYou're obviously not able to keep up with what is being said between Spence and I. No worries, he's unable...<p><br />
You're obviously not able to keep up with what is being said between Spence and I. No worries, he's unable to keep up himself. But I'll give you a clue, I was never outright accusing RSSB Cuzzo of fraud. So in your attempt at comparing our "arguments" it would be best for you to judge the man you've come here to defend who claims RSSB's fam wants to save the African babies from AIDS.</p>
<p><br />
Gosh, arrogant, patronizing, and dismissive too. You're right<br />
though, I haven't pored over the investigation's legal minutia.<br />
I suspect you haven't either and are letting bias fill in the blanks.<br />
We all do of course. </p>
<p>However, your extreme anger and personal bias is evident<br />
in the overreach of your vitriol. Attributing a "We are a cult"<br />
remark to Charan Singh (without a shred of proof) shows<br />
the depths of your hatred. Your apology rings as hollow as<br />
the rest of your rants. </p>
<p>That said, I wish you the best. We all fall short in dealing with<br />
the real enemy inside of us. </p>
<p>"We have met the enemy and he is us". Walt Kelly</p>tucson commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35ba307200c2018-07-17T06:40:35Z2018-07-17T12:52:54ZtucsonSpence, Probably someone has brought this up before.. If you believe the RSSB teachings, whether it be version 1, 2,...<p>Spence, Probably someone has brought this up before.. If you believe the RSSB teachings, whether it be version 1, 2, 3 or 86, why are you here? I know version 1 says to avoid intellectual arguments once you have accepted the path and are initiated. Thenceforth you are enjoined to work for liberation of your soul by stilling the mind and riding the shabd to pure regions of rapture so that you never again will be compelled to take rebirth in this filthy cesspool of Pind (the physical universe). You know there is no end to the mind game. Believers generally don't come here, with some exceptions, and non-believers will never be satisfied. Wouldn't meditation and satsang be more of a priority than this blog? </p>
<p>I mean, do what you like. You are a stalwart contributor here, but there are oceans of maya to cross and life is short. Just sayin'.</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad381ae72200d2018-07-17T05:58:57Z2018-07-17T12:52:54ZJesse"I honor facts" such as when you said earlier that these corruption accusations were all "conjecture" ? No, you don't...<p>"I honor facts" such as when you said earlier that these corruption accusations were all "conjecture" ?</p>
<p>No, you don't honor facts, Mr. "He's curing AIDS."</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad381ad1d200d2018-07-17T05:36:36Z2018-07-17T12:52:54ZSpencer TepperSadly, Brian, your effort to link everything to Gurindar is pure conjecture. You wrote "I have heard that the board...<p>Sadly, Brian, your effort to link everything to Gurindar is pure conjecture.</p>
<p>You wrote<br />
"I have heard that the board of Religare is stacked with satsangis. The same might be true of Fortis, but I don't know. Here's a quote from one of "Tara's" comments that I shared in my "Devastating criticism..." post.<br />
----------------<br />
Mike, Yes, financial oscillations between RSSB and Religare are a very likely scenario. Money going to and fro, borrowing and lending — it may all be happening. That would also help explain why the Singh Brothers gave Religare shareholding to no other relative, other than Gurinder. The RSSB purse-strings are solely in his hands and the RSSB-trust is mega cash-rich, and a tax-free pot of gold.</p>
<p>So, my take is that the Singh Brothers put in their capital and Gurinder was given a preferential allotment of equity based on his three-fold role : One, the promise of the " support of the RSSB-trust " as and when required. Two, Gurinder brought to the Religare table a band of RS loyalists ( like Sunil Godhwani, now Group CEO of Religare ) and RS board members who would keep everything under wraps and unquestionably sign any document."</p>
<p>There is a lot of second and third hand rumor, and a bit of your own conjecture, Brian. </p>
<p>I honor facts, and acknowledge the corruption detailed in the FDA judgment against Ranbaxy, followed by the detailed expose with first hand witnesses in the Fortune article. </p>
<p>But in contrast, your comments are far from that standard. </p>
<p>When Gurindar is found guilty, please post that here and I will read it. </p>
<p>Until then, I wonder why you, who claim an interest in truth, would mix facts with projections and conjectures, except they are all so very dark and support your bias. </p>
<p>That seems the common theme. <br />
</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad381ab67200d2018-07-17T05:06:33Z2018-07-17T12:52:54ZSpencer TepperHi Brian Reading the Fortune expose you posted and then the justice department's judgment leaves little doubt about the prolonged...<p>Hi Brian</p>
<p>Reading the Fortune expose you posted and then the justice department's judgment leaves little doubt about the prolonged and purposeful culture of corruption at Ranbaxy. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/generic-drug-manufacturer-ranbaxy-pleads-guilty-and-agrees-pay-500-million-resolve-false" rel="nofollow">https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/generic-drug-manufacturer-ranbaxy-pleads-guilty-and-agrees-pay-500-million-resolve-false</a></p>
<p>Clearly the politifact article I had read and cited earlier was woefully incomplete and a whitewash of actual events. </p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35b9ec4200c2018-07-17T04:53:50Z2018-07-17T12:52:54ZJesseThanks for that, Brian. Another question I have is if you or anyone else knows if this https://www.dhillongroup.com is one...<p>Thanks for that, Brian.</p>
<p>Another question I have is if you or anyone else knows if this <a href="https://www.dhillongroup.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.dhillongroup.com</a> is one of their companies. I can't remember now how I found it, but it was the top search result when I googled one of their other company names.</p>
<p>I'm hoping to find out so I can confirm whether or not God approves of gambling and liquor. Cause if God himself is selling lotto tickets and Seagram's gin, I'm definitely buying, scratching and drinking.</p>
<p>Jesse</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad381aabe200d2018-07-17T04:46:12Z2018-07-17T12:52:54ZJesseDungeness, I have no RSSB books anymore, but at one point I had nearly every book they'd ever printed, as...<p>Dungeness, </p>
<p>I have no RSSB books anymore, but at one point I had nearly every book they'd ever printed, as well as hundreds of those weird maroon colored magazines full of horrid poetry they used to print, and various audio tapes that are out of circulation now too. The best were the tales of the mystic east and the earlier editions of dr julian "i was murdered by a satsangi" johnson's path of the supposed masters.</p>
<p>My apologies for not remembering exactly which publication specifically quoted Charan Singh when he said RSSB was a cult, but to be frank, I've forgotten more about this retarded bhakti knockoff than you'll ever learn. So don't think you're some clever person for noticing that I no longer own those poorly printed books and can't spend hours looking for the quote.</p>
<p>You're obviously not able to keep up with what is being said between Spence and I. No worries, he's unable to keep up himself. But I'll give you a clue, I was never outright accusing RSSB Cuzzo of fraud. So in your attempt at comparing our "arguments" it would be best for you to judge the man you've come here to defend who claims RSSB's fam wants to save the African babies from AIDS.</p>
<p>My position has always been that I'm unsure, but suspicious, so accusing me of being unsure makes you look like a mouth breathing cultist but with the added bonus of being illiterate.</p>
<p>Jesse, The Astral Projecting Saint</p>Blogger Brian commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35b9e3f200c2018-07-17T04:36:20Z2018-07-17T04:36:22ZBlogger Brianhttp://profile.typepad.com/brihinesJesse, I'm not sure about the board of Fortis. I have heard that the board of Religare is stacked with...<p>Jesse, I'm not sure about the board of Fortis. I have heard that the board of Religare is stacked with satsangis. The same might be true of Fortis, but I don't know. Here's a quote from one of "Tara's" comments that I shared in my "Devastating criticism..." post.<br />
----------------<br />
Mike, Yes, financial oscillations between RSSB and Religare are a very likely scenario. Money going to and fro, borrowing and lending — it may all be happening. That would also help explain why the Singh Brothers gave Religare shareholding to no other relative, other than Gurinder. The RSSB purse-strings are solely in his hands and the RSSB-trust is mega cash-rich, and a tax-free pot of gold.<br />
<br />
So, my take is that the Singh Brothers put in their capital and Gurinder was given a preferential allotment of equity based on his three-fold role : One, the promise of the " support of the RSSB-trust " as and when required. Two, Gurinder brought to the Religare table a band of RS loyalists ( like Sunil Godhwani, now Group CEO of Religare ) and RS board members who would keep everything under wraps and unquestionably sign any document.</p>Dungeness commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35b9dd4200c2018-07-17T04:20:42Z2018-07-17T04:20:53ZDungenesshttp://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a532f07a970b"We are a cult." Charan Singh Just quoting your Guru, Dungeness. Posted by: Jesse | July 11, 2018 at 02:12...<p><br />
"We are a cult." Charan Singh<br />
Just quoting your Guru, Dungeness.<br />
Posted by: Jesse | July 11, 2018 at 02:12 PM</p>
<p>Yet when asked, you could not cite any book, anecdote,<br />
or anything that memorialized this quote. But RSSB is still<br />
a "cult" in your kangaroo court.</p>
<p><br />
"Jesse, you're shouting "hang 'em high" before they've even been<br />
indicted. "</p>
<p>No, I'm saying "In my opinion they are more likely guilty than not.</p>
<p><br />
That's the tamest rendition of your vitriol I've seen yet. You may<br />
try to pretend you're not just arriving from kangaroo court but<br />
your earlier remarks belie it. Wow, I can't think of a defense<br />
attorney, who wouldn't want to voir dire you the hell off his<br />
case. Any case.</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad381a75b200d2018-07-17T03:12:53Z2018-07-17T12:52:54ZJesseBrian, I do have a serious question if you wish to speculate. In the article it says "The sales process,...<p>Brian, I do have a serious question if you wish to speculate.</p>
<p>In the article it says </p>
<p>"The sales process, which often played out in the press with offers and counter bids disclosed publicly, had to be restarted several times amid questions about the board’s independence, which eventually saw all its directors replaced."</p>
<p>Now, if I recall, there were companies which all these RS Singhs were involved with that had their boards stacked with satsangis.</p>
<p>Might this be the issue being discussed here, or is Fortis not one one of the RS related companies?</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a16ef0200b2018-07-17T03:02:32Z2018-07-17T12:52:54ZJesseBrian, That article is highly biased. Nowhere in it does it mention the undeniable fact that the only thing these...<p>Brian, </p>
<p>That article is highly biased. Nowhere in it does it mention the undeniable fact that the only thing these billionaires in both money and spirit ever wanted to do was to save precious African souls from the plague of AIDS. And the only way they could save their beloved African babies was to not use a single paisa of their personal money, but use investor money instead.</p>
<p>Jesse</p>Blogger Brian commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad381a6a9200d2018-07-17T02:54:08Z2018-07-17T02:54:16ZBlogger Brianhttp://profile.typepad.com/brihinesHere's another business story about the misadventures of the Singh brothers, Malvinder and Shivinder. In addition to being embroiled in...<p>Here's another business story about the misadventures of the Singh brothers, Malvinder and Shivinder. In addition to being embroiled in legal problems, they've lost their shares in Fortis. See:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-13/fortis-picks-ihh-healthcare-over-tpg-bid-in-india-hospital-deal" rel="nofollow">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-13/fortis-picks-ihh-healthcare-over-tpg-bid-in-india-hospital-deal</a></p>
<p>Excerpts:<br />
--------------------<br />
A bidding war for cash-strapped Fortis kicked off earlier this year after its founders, brothers Malvinder and Shivinder Singh, lost their shareholding due to debt, and allegations that they had improperly taken funds from the company. A four-months-long takeover fight drew as many as five potential suitors from as far away as the U.S. and China, all keen to win a prime position in one of the world’s most under-served health-care markets.</p>
<p>...Not only must Fortis’s new owner turn around three straight quarters of losses, it must also deal with the fallout from the conclusions of investigations by government agencies. A report by an outside law firm commissioned by Fortis’s board found about 4.5 billion rupees were loaned amid “systemic lapses,” and were used by the borrowers to ultimately repay money owed to entities with ties to the Singh brothers. Fortis had to write off the amounts in the latest quarter even as it initiated legal action to recover the missing money.</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a16e11200b2018-07-17T02:41:17Z2018-07-17T02:54:58ZJesseSant Jesse Declareth! Thou Shalt Not Judgeth, Unlesseth Of Course Thy Judgement Be Makineth Thouest Guru Cult Looketh Favorable.<p>Sant Jesse Declareth!</p>
<p>Thou Shalt Not Judgeth, Unlesseth Of Course Thy Judgement Be Makineth Thouest Guru Cult Looketh Favorable.</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad381a637200d2018-07-17T02:36:27Z2018-07-17T02:54:58ZJesse"Jesse, you're shouting "hang 'em high" before they've even been indicted. " No, I'm saying "In my opinion they are...<p>"Jesse, you're shouting "hang 'em high" before they've even been<br />
indicted. "</p>
<p>No, I'm saying "In my opinion they are more likely guilty than not."</p>
<p>Spencer is literally telling us that he knows it was a bad business decision because Indians just want to help the African babies. I have no inclination to reread all his gibberish, but I don't remember him ever prefacing any of his statements with "there's a chance" or "i think" etc. He just jumps right into "My God's nephew threw money in the garbage because he loves Africans." </p>
<p>Read the posts, Dungeness.</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad381a618200d2018-07-17T02:32:58Z2018-07-17T02:54:58ZJesseYou're an absolute hypocrite, Spencer. I said that I DON'T KNOW, not "These guys are 100% guilty." Maybe the Money...<p>You're an absolute hypocrite, Spencer. </p>
<p>I said that I DON'T KNOW, not "These guys are 100% guilty."</p>
<p>Maybe the Money Clan is innocent and saving all the Africans, as India aka Habshi loverstan has a long history of doing. Maybe they're guilty of fraud, which is extremely rare in India, being that it's one of the least corrupt places on earth. (God please don't make me point out that this is sarcasm.)</p>
<p>You're offended that I've expressed my belief in the possibility of your God and his family being frauds. It's not about judgement. It's about judgement that isn't favorable to your religion's optics and your personal ego that likely has decades invested into it.</p>Dungeness commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35b99fd200c2018-07-17T02:29:04Z2018-07-17T02:29:09ZDungenesshttp://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a532f07a970bI guess you missed the most obvious point I made which is that you are judging as much as I....<p><br />
I guess you missed the most obvious point I made which is that you are judging as much as I. You haven't waited for the courts decision any longer than I have before you jumped in with your "RSSB and fam love African babies" bit.</p>
<p><br />
Jesse, you're shouting "hang 'em high" before they've even been<br />
indicted. We're judgmental. Everyone has opinions about someone's guilt or innocence but due process is sacred. </p>
<p>P.S.<br />
I was reminded how judgmental I was today in mid-fantasy - a scene that ended with Trump "doin' the perp walk". <br />
</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35b99d6200c2018-07-17T02:25:27Z2018-07-17T02:54:58ZSpencer TepperNo Jesse I don't say they are innocent. I provide only a possibility of lesser crimes. If spirituality only opens...<p>No Jesse<br />
I don't say they are innocent. <br />
I provide only a possibility of lesser crimes. </p>
<p>If spirituality only opens our mind to acknowledging possibility and our own limitations is has succeeded.</p>
<p>Hatred, Jesse, should always be applied sparingly. </p>
<p>If at all. <br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35b994c200c2018-07-17T02:09:13Z2018-07-17T02:54:58ZJesseThis amazingly banal polemic being engaged in right now between Spence Defense and I is an almost picture perfect example...<p>This amazingly banal polemic being engaged in right now between Spence Defense and I is an almost picture perfect example of what led me out of religion.</p>
<p>Religion itself might not need to make people unaware of their glaringly obvious double standards and biases, but from what I can tell, it's more common amongst the religious.</p>
<p>Judging is bad. Let me share my judgement with you. I'm not judging, you are.</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a16c8f200b2018-07-17T01:57:28Z2018-07-17T02:54:58ZJesse"When I write that we should not judge and to let the courts do that, I don't think that 's...<p>"When I write that we should not judge and to let the courts do that, I don't think that 's cult thinking."</p>
<p>I guess you missed the most obvious point I made which is that you are judging as much as I. You haven't waited for the courts decision any longer than I have before you jumped in with your "RSSB and fam love African babies" bit.</p>
<p><br />
Take your own advice maybe?</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a16c59200b2018-07-17T01:48:47Z2018-07-17T02:54:58ZSpencer TepperJesse When I write that we should not judge and to let the courts do that, I don't think that...<p>Jesse<br />
When I write that we should not judge and to let the courts do that, I don't think that 's cult thinking.</p>
<p>And when I offer the articles for your own interpretation that isn't cult thinking. </p>
<p>But don't let facts stand in the way of hatred. </p>
<p>Just understand where your priorities are. <br />
</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35b975f200c2018-07-17T01:29:54Z2018-07-17T02:54:58ZJesse"No Jesse, I don't think you understand. The courts are doing their job. But that is not for you or...<p>"No Jesse, I don't think you understand. <br />
The courts are doing their job. But that is not for you or I to conclude innocent or guilty."</p>
<p>"Yes, in the midst of human failings, an effort to stretch for patients and aids patients." </p>
<p>Compare and contrast the two conflicting sentiments of a cult defender.</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a16ac7200b2018-07-17T01:24:32Z2018-07-17T02:54:58ZJesseObviously if I wanted to cut and paste your blathering dishonesty I would have. But I made my point with...<p>Obviously if I wanted to cut and paste your blathering dishonesty I would have. But I made my point with a more humorous paraphrase of it.</p>
<p>You want to me not judge, even as you judge. But your only reason for not wanting others to judge negatively is that contrary to your belief, RSSB cuzzie probably doesn't just want to save all the African babies. There is zero evidence of this. Your theory is absolutely baseless and without evidence. </p>
<p>They're not being investigated for charity. They're being investigated for "serious fraud." There is a difference between charity and fraud.</p>
<p>Some business failing that happens to be going on simultaneous to African expansion doesn't mean that the African expansion was some deep heartfelt sense of moral obligation on the part of RS fambly man. </p>
<p>You only want that to be so because then it makes your cult look better. Period.</p>
<p>You're not being honest. </p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad381a200200d2018-07-17T01:07:17Z2018-07-17T02:54:58ZSpencer TepperHere is more detail on the loans to o Healthcare facilities, including emergency services, that had little collateral. https://m.economictimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/singh-brothers-may-have-taken-fresh-loans-from-fortis-to-repay-funds-diverted-from-hospital-chain-company-says/articleshow/64898856.cms<p>Here is more detail on the loans to o<br />
Healthcare facilities, including emergency services, that had little collateral.</p>
<p><a href="https://m.economictimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/singh-brothers-may-have-taken-fresh-loans-from-fortis-to-repay-funds-diverted-from-hospital-chain-company-says/articleshow/64898856.cms" rel="nofollow">https://m.economictimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/singh-brothers-may-have-taken-fresh-loans-from-fortis-to-repay-funds-diverted-from-hospital-chain-company-says/articleshow/64898856.cms</a></p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a16892200b2018-07-17T00:57:10Z2018-07-17T02:54:58ZSpencer TepperHi Jesse You falsely quoted ""We're in no position to decide who is guilty or innocent. Let me explain why...<p>Hi Jesse</p>
<p>You falsely quoted<br />
""We're in no position to decide who is guilty or innocent. Let me explain why these guys are innocent and how moral they are. "</p>
<p>Super honest guy you are, Spence Defense"</p>
<p>What I actually wrote was</p>
<p>"No Jesse, I don't think you understand. <br />
The courts are doing their job. But that is not for you or I to conclude innocent or guilty."</p>
<p>Jesse, there's this little thing that's gained in popularity among all the brightest commentators on the internet called 'reading'. Google it. Might help you. </p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35b9433200c2018-07-17T00:32:45Z2018-07-17T02:54:58ZJesse"We're in no position to decide who is guilty or innocent. Let me explain why these guys are innocent and...<p>"We're in no position to decide who is guilty or innocent. Let me explain why these guys are innocent and how moral they are. "</p>
<p>Super honest guy you are, Spence Defense.</p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35b8d22200c2018-07-16T22:13:58Z2018-07-16T22:34:46ZSpencer TepperMore about the Fortis intercompany loans https://m.economictimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/fortis-malvinder-singh-authorised-funds-diversion-into-related-entities/articleshow/64773769.cms<p>More about the Fortis intercompany loans</p>
<p><a href="https://m.economictimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/fortis-malvinder-singh-authorised-funds-diversion-into-related-entities/articleshow/64773769.cms" rel="nofollow">https://m.economictimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/fortis-malvinder-singh-authorised-funds-diversion-into-related-entities/articleshow/64773769.cms</a></p>Spencer Tepper commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35b8bba200c2018-07-16T21:43:22Z2018-07-16T22:34:46ZSpencer TepperHi Jesse You asked "Why is it hard for you to accept that I believe that these guys who are...<p>Hi Jesse<br />
You asked "Why is it hard for you to accept that I believe that these guys who are under investigation for serious fraud might have actually committed fraud with the help and/or knowledge of their family members who were involved in the business with them?"</p>
<p>No Jesse, I don't think you understand. <br />
The courts are doing their job. But that is not for you or I to conclude innocent or guilty.</p>
<p>You and Brian did indeed make accusations of guilt. </p>
<p>A close inspection of the inter company loans reveals they were to organizations without collateral, as I've discussed above. </p>
<p>At the least that isn't legal nor good management. </p>
<p>Nor is rubber stamping acne medicine inspections. </p>
<p>But something else was going on here that you both seem unable to see for yourselves. </p>
<p>In the case of Ranbaxy the company was stretched to handle the explosion in medication production for Africa at or below cost. </p>
<p>Then loans were rotated to help cover the enormous fine from the FDA, the largest in history. </p>
<p>In the case of Fortis, loans were shuffled to cover small hospitals and vendors with no collateral.</p>
<p>Yes, in the midst of human failings, an effort to stretch for patients and aids patients. </p>G.S. commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad380e93b200d2018-07-13T21:12:09Z2018-07-13T22:56:32ZG.S.I think the "spiritual path" is a profoundly private thing where "success" is based purely on one's own sincerity, honesty,...<p>I think the "spiritual path" is a profoundly private thing where "success" is based purely on one's own sincerity, honesty, urgency, love, compassion etc, NOT which "Godman" you have handed over all responsibility too....and in that sense, there are NO "false" gurus or paths!</p>
<p>Yes, you're thinking along the lines of Faqir Chand, you have a point, the Guru is still important and he must go beyond the basic teachings like Faqir in order for us to nurture those qualities you mentioned and make progress.<br />
RSSB doesn't cover any of this, and from what I've read about Faqir, a lot of his disciples made progress faster with him than when they were with RSSB and other branches.<br />
</p>manjit commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a0b7ff200b2018-07-13T20:32:49Z2018-07-13T22:56:32ZmanjitHey G.S., The quote from one of Brian's links, where he apparently demanded more money during a boardroom meeting whilst...<p>Hey G.S.,</p>
<p>The quote from one of Brian's links, where he apparently demanded more money during a boardroom meeting whilst banging his fists down or some such....oh boy .</p>
<p>Heartbreaking, really.</p>
<p>It reminds of when I was a follower of RSSB, I heard about the "mystical path" of Nizari Ismailism, a path very similar to RS and shabd yoga, in several ways.....but then finding out about their "Satguru", the Aga Khan.....in more moderns times, their guru had "descended" (in my opinion at the time) into the trappings of wealth, celebrity, sexuality etc.</p>
<p>The same feeling I had then....but in smug judgement of the "other's" guru, I have now towards RSSB....but as mentioned before, not as "other", but as what was at least once, if not still, "family"....</p>
<p>However, as I've stated my belief & hope before, I think the "spiritual path" is a profoundly private thing where "success" is based purely on one's own sincerity, honesty, urgency, love, compassion etc, NOT which "Godman" you have handed over all responsibility too....and in that sense, there are NO "false" gurus or paths!</p>
<p>Imo, anyway.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Manjit<br />
</p>G.S. commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35adc0d200c2018-07-13T19:53:36Z2018-07-13T22:56:32ZG.S.Hello Manjit, Yes I have the same exact feeling toward RS and Gurinder, i know it's easy to be angry...<p>Hello Manjit,</p>
<p>Yes I have the same exact feeling toward RS and Gurinder, i know it's easy to be angry and bitter, but i'm not, perhaps i haven't meditated for 30 years and realised what the path is really about.<br />
But I still want the best for RS, I still have that attachment to it because my family are initiated, and the sevadors at my centre were like family. This Shivinder guy isn't the best choice given his background, it would be a little difficult seeing this guy worshipped by your family, at least with the other Guru's they had morals.<br />
</p>manjit commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad380e05e200d2018-07-13T18:47:47Z2018-07-13T22:56:32ZmanjitG.S. wrote: "It hurts to see what Radha Soami has become, it's probably easier for people like Brian and others...<p>G.S. wrote: "It hurts to see what Radha Soami has become, it's probably easier for people like Brian and others who don't have RS families to move on and not feel affected. But this is the path i grew up following, what hurts the most is how the mass followers are being duped. "</p>
<p>Hello again! </p>
<p>Actually, I completely agree with this sentiment (except the "duped" part, I think that is an over-simplification, actually....I tend to give RSSB and Gurinder more credit than that? I don't know though!). I was going to write about this the other day...</p>
<p>.....a lot of my recent comments and criticisms of RSSB & Gurinder have stemmed from a feeling of disappointment with Gurinder & RSSB, not anger, bitterness or anything like that, but disappointment in the sense you share.....the feeling they're letting down his followers, and people I also still consider "family", by being, errrrm, how else to say it but a BAD example of "deeply spiritual people". It is the same feeling of "disappointment" you can have with a parent or child....you still love them, you point out why the behaviour is not appropriate....but you are NOT judging or condemning them, the criticism is fuelled by a deep empathy.</p>
<p>Okay, that sounded like rambling to me so Sat Purush only knows how it reads to someone else! :)</p>
<p>I have to just add, though, this feeling of empathy and hope RSSB followers are not being "duped" is easily....and SHOULD BE....extended to ALL others of ALL faiths, beliefs and disbelief......they are all someone's family!</p>Joe commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad380dee2200d2018-07-13T18:27:43Z2018-07-13T22:56:32ZJoeLooking for God in all the wrong places and all the wrong faces is definitely a thing. I often wonder...<p>Looking for God in all the wrong places and all the wrong faces is definitely a thing. I often wonder if the Christian concept of being saved is sort of at the root of this, or maybe it is just laziness and irresponsibility and immaturity generally. Or infantile transference - looking for Mom or Dad to do for us what we are legitimately unable. Probably a combination of all those things. But simply marching by someones drumbeat and not actually engaging consciousness and making effort to untie what binds it seems just dumb. If you work at anything in small incremental steps there is always a result, just not necessarily the result you expected. <br />
</p>bodhitreeenlightenment commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35ad408200c2018-07-13T17:51:05Z2018-07-13T22:56:32ZbodhitreeenlightenmentThis is a copy of what Lane has written recently and apparently summarizes his Chandian viewpoint: THE DISAPPOINTING BUDDHA Understanding...<p>This is a copy of what Lane has written recently and apparently summarizes his Chandian viewpoint:</p>
<p>THE DISAPPOINTING BUDDHA<br />
Understanding the Vicarious Nature of Spiritual Hero Worship<br />
Learning the Deeper Lesson from Ken Wilber's The Atman Project</p>
<p>DAVID LANE AND ANDREA DIEM-LANE</p>
<p>We live in a world of our own delusions, even as we attempt to escape them by creating even more fantastic ones in the process.</p>
<p>When I first read Ken Wilber's The Atman Project back in 1980, I was deeply impressed with his thesis that we are “attempting to find Spirit in ways that prevent it and force substitute gratifications.” Of course, one could replace “Spirit” with any higher ideal that requires discipline or sacrifice, since the modus operandi is the same: instead of doing the hard work ourselves, we look for exterior symbols that can do the heavy lifting. Simply put, we are lazy and we would rather project our desire on to some person or object and let them do the necessary requirements than actually do the deep reflection within our own beings. The glitch in this process, however, is that it ultimately doesn't work. The idealized Icon, when closely analyzed, fails to live up to our heightened expectations. Our chosen Buddhas, Christs, Babas, Gurus, end up forever disappointing us, since like the statues we have made of them in the past, they invariably have feet of clay.</p>
<p><br />
The largest religion in the world, Christianity, exemplifies Wilber's premise perfectly with its dogma of Vicarious Atonement, clearly defined by Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry as: “The teaching that the atonement which states that Christ's death was 'legal.' It satisfied the legal justice of God. Jesus bore the penalty of sin when He died on the cross. His death was a substitution for the believers. In other words, He substituted Himself for them upon the cross. Jesus hanged in our place as He bore our sin in His body on the cross.” This doctrine has its historical legacy in 1 Peter, 24, wherein it is claimed “He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.”</p>
<p>This is a compelling promise since it is not up to us “by works” to mitigate our sinful nature but up to the Son of God who has all the responsibility for our salvation. All we have to do is accept such a divine bounty and let the healing process begin. The caveat, though, is that one actually has to have faith that such a promise is real. Those of a skeptical bent tend to scoff at such theological claims, particularly if they are well versed in how many other religions offer heavenly rewards for holding the right set of beliefs.</p>
<p>This remind one anew of the old television game show, “Let's Make a Deal”. Monty Hall, the original host, would tell a participant that there is a wonderful prize behind one of three doors. The problem is that two of the doors may have nothing of value. Which one do you pick? Religions are in some ways similar, except that there are thousands of more options: Is the liberation of your soul behind door number 1: Krishna? Or, door number 2: Buddha? Or door number 3: Jesus Christ? Or, in a surprise addition, door number 4: L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology? And the list goes on.</p>
<p><br />
<br />
On the surface, it is a silly religious game we play since nobody knows if there really is a thing as “soul liberation”, much less a rightful choice that insures such. But as naïve human beings we play it seriously all the same. We are like our misguided statistician friend, Blaise Pascal, (1623-1662) who argues that we make a gambler's choice. It is now commonly known as Pascal's Wager which “offers a pragmatic reason for believing in God: even under the assumption that God's existence is unlikely, the potential benefits of believing are so vast as to make betting on theism rational.”</p>
<p>But here Pascal not only begs the real question lurking behind that Monty Hall like curtain (why if there is a God or a Truth do we have to choose in the first place?), but displays how biased he is in favoring only one of the options as being viable, dismissing in the process the millions of gods in Hinduism, the various paths of Buddhism, the multiple schools of Paganism, and all of the newer religions which he seemed unfamiliar with at the time (Sikhism?).</p>
<p>We simply don't like uncertainty and not knowing, so instead in our existential moments of dread, like our depressed friend Søren Kierkegaard, we take “leaps of faith” to somehow get us over the abyss we confront in our lives.</p>
<p>This is where I think Wilber's Atman Project is instructive since instead of confronting (metaphor alert) the Sisyphusian task of rolling up the heavy stone up the hill ourselves, we imagine that someone or something has can do it for us.</p>
<p>A Jesus, a Buddha, a Guru, a Book, a Revelation . . . all become magical talismans for achieving what we are not. I may be a sinner, but Jesus is sinless. I may dull and petty, but my Buddha is enlightened. I may have made no inner progress, but surely my chosen Guru has achieved the very highest. I may be a prostitute but Mary is a Virgin. And the projective list goes on and on.</p>
<p>Religion is fueled by our self-perceived lack. And, thus the Wilberian Atman Project is our own way to achieve what we desire by elevating our Istha Devas and defending their relative statuses by our own imaginings</p>
<p>We live in a world of our own delusions, even as we attempt to escape them by creating even more fantastic ones in the process.</p>
<p>This becomes painfully obvious when we see just how truly fragile our belief systems really are.</p>
<p>As Father Costello, a Dominican priest at my old alma mater, Notre Dame High School, unequivally exclaimed to us in his Freshman religion class, “If Jesus Christ didn't bodily resurrect, I would rip off my holy garments and party like a hedonist.”</p>
<p>Or, as the fundamentalist Protestant wails, “If somewhere in the Bible it says 2 + 2 equals 5, I would not doubt it.” Why? Because the Holy Book is errant and thus cannot be wrong, even when it is.</p>
<p>On the other side of the globe, the logic is the same even if the content and the geographical context are different. “My Baba has entered into the highest region of spiritual attainment. He is the greatest of all living gurus.” When asked how he knows this, the devotee confesses that it is manifest in Baba's eyes.</p>
<p>Religious Icon projection is Freudian transference on meth and because we favor our substitutions for the real thing, we fight tooth and nail to defend our fantastic phantasms, lest they evaporate away like the Wicked Witch of East in the Wizard of Oz who melts whenever plain water is thrown on her.</p>
<p>Or, to invoke a 1960s song, Puff the Magic Dragon, whose lyrics though invoking images from the beautiful island of Kauai, explains poetically the childish nature of our believed in Deities:</p>
<p>Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea<br />
And frolicked in the autumn mist<br />
in a land called Honnah Lee<br />
Little Jackie Paper loved that rascal Puff<br />
And brought him strings and sealing wax and other fancy stuff, oh!</p>
<p>Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea<br />
And frolicked in the autumn mist<br />
in a land called Honnah Lee<br />
Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea<br />
And frolicked in the autumn mist<br />
in a land called Honnah Lee</p>
<p>Together they would travel on a boat with billowed sail<br />
Jackie kept a lookout perched on Puff's gigantic tail<br />
Noble kings and princes would bow whene'er they came<br />
Pirate ships would lower their flags when Puff roared out his name, oh!</p>
<p>Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea<br />
And frolicked in the autumn mist<br />
in a land called Honnah Lee<br />
Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea<br />
And frolicked in the autumn mist<br />
in a land called Honnah Lee</p>
<p>A dragon lives forever but not so little boys<br />
Painted wings and giant rings make way for other toys<br />
One grey night it happened, Jackie Paper came no more<br />
And Puff that mighty dragon, he ceased his fearless roar</p>
<p>His head was bent in sorrow, green scales fell like rain<br />
Puff no longer went to play along the cherry lane<br />
Without his life-long friend, Puff could not be brave<br />
So Puff that mighty dragon sadly slipped into his cave, oh!</p>
<p>Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea<br />
And frolicked in the autumn mist<br />
in a land called Honnah Lee<br />
Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea<br />
And frolicked in the autumn mist<br />
in a land called Honnah Lee<br />
When we realize our Atman Projects, our own dragons of spirit descend into the very abyss that we ourselves so assiduously attempted to avoid.</p>
<p>As the song lyric so paintively concludes, “A dragon lives forever but not so little boys.”</p>
<p>When it comes to religion, do we ever really grow up? Or do we, as Wilber and others have suggested, continually manufacture surrogates so we can persist in our magical wish fulfillment?</p>
<p>It is here that I find Nietzsche instructive, not only because he spoke about the death of god, our idealized projection, but more importantly about what we would do with our lives once we realized that our prior beliefs were unsustainable.</p>
<p>Nietzsche's Myth of Eternal Recurrence is a thought experiment worth considering over and over again (of course, the pun is intended), since it forces us to confront how we would act if everything we did had to be repeated for eternity without being able to change a single gesture.</p>
<p>If we knew we lived in such universe and were given this gem of knowledge, how would we respond for the next twenty, forty, or sixty years? Change everything knowing full well that it will be recycled for infinity? Or, change nothing at all, realizing that acceptance of the high, low, and in-between is the only key to contenment?</p>
<p>Nietzsche's myth is a clarion call to resist the Sirens of Sirenum scopuli who with their enchanting songs only leave us voyagers shipwrecked and waylaid from our true destination. Wilber's Atman Project is a process of delay, a postponement of confronting the reality of our situation. As the wise sage from Hoshiarpur smartly opined, "O, man your real helper is your own Self and your own Faith, but you are badly mistaken and believe that somebody from without comes to help you. No Hazrat Mohammad, No Lord Rama, Lord Krishna or any God or goddess or Guru comes from without. This entire game is that of your impressions and suggestions which are ingrained upon your mind, through your eyes and ears and of your Faith and Belief.”</p>
<p>But are we ready to transcend our projective arcs and proceed unencumbered and unknowing into the source from which our very consciousness arises? Or, are we more predisposed to rely on proxy representatives to do our bidding? If we succumb to the latter option, we are left to be spectators to our own journey. Yes, it will be safer, less demanding, and temporarily satisfying, but in the end it will leave us empty and spiritually vacuous.</p>Joe commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad380db51200d2018-07-13T17:35:52Z2018-07-13T22:56:32ZJoeJim, Mr. Lane has spoken fondly of Gurinder's more "modern" satsangs - emphasizing Chandian or Advaita like principles. I guess...<p>Jim,</p>
<p>Mr. Lane has spoken fondly of Gurinder's more "modern" satsangs - emphasizing Chandian or Advaita like principles. I guess what Lane and others don't recognize is that that is typical of religious cults and con men - appealing to those with money and influence by giving them what they want. </p>tucson commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a0a91d200b2018-07-13T16:41:38Z2018-07-13T22:56:32ZtucsonAll of this business controversy swirling around the big shots in the religio/cult known as Sant Mat or Radha Soami...<p><br />
All of this business controversy swirling around the big shots in the religio/cult known as Sant Mat or Radha Soami is indicative of ordinary individuals immersed in the futile flailings of physical existence and mundane affairs. Those who see this situation otherwise are wearing blinders of denial. Sorry, your leaders are fake. They are not saints. Why do they bother with this crap if they can soar to the radiant heavens at will in meditation and swoon in ecstacy in the lap of God? Just walk away and meditate, family Singh!! Who cares about Religare and Fortis And Ranbaxy. They're just passing phantoms in Maya. Give them up. Walk away. They're supposed to know that. Apparently not.</p>
<p>A far cry from the stories of Soami Ji, an early founder of the Beas cult, who meditated for 15 years in a back room with his hair tied to an overhead rod so that he wouldn't fall asleep and who lived on a few stale chipatis dipped in water to make them palatable.</p>Appreciative Reader commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a0a1d2200b2018-07-13T14:44:59Z2018-07-13T16:19:40ZAppreciative ReaderHow does succession work, exactly, at RSSB? Is it that the existing Master, within his lifetime, anoints his successor? Or...<p>How does succession work, exactly, at RSSB?</p>
<p>Is it that the existing Master, within his lifetime, anoints his successor? Or what?</p>
<p>I remember Mike Williams talking of Wills in connection with past successions within RSSB. So I suppose that's one way of going about it. (Although I doubt such provisions within a Will can be legally binding ; but of course, what is at question here is not legality per se as a conveying of the Master's wishes.)</p>
<p>This rumor about the nephew succeeding GSD : is there anyone here with intimate knowledge of RSSB affairs, who may be able to comment on how true this might be? Has GSD spoken or written about this himself? If he has, then that's that, I suppose. And if he hasn't, then surely such rumor is unfounded?</p>PJ commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a09e98200b2018-07-13T13:51:26Z2018-07-13T16:19:40ZPJ>>G.S. >it's probably easier for people like Brian and others who don't have RS families to move on and not...<p>>>G.S. <br />
>it's probably easier for people like Brian and others who don't have RS families to move on and not feel affected<br />
Maybe... unless they turned away from those families to follow this. I did that with friends from school, who would have been lifelong friends otherwise. I'm sure others have lost marriages over this. <br />
>this is the path i grew up following<br />
I understand, both situations are bad.<br />
</p>G.S commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad3a0976e200b2018-07-13T11:19:52Z2018-07-13T16:19:40ZG.SIt hurts to see what Radha Soami has become, it's probably easier for people like Brian and others who don't...<p>It hurts to see what Radha Soami has become, it's probably easier for people like Brian and others who don't have RS families to move on and not feel affected. But this is the path i grew up following, what hurts the most is how the mass followers are being duped. <br />
They spend their entire lifetime doing seva and meditation, but they're not getting anything out of it, they think it pleases the Guru who's too busy in his own business affairs.</p>
<p>Unfortunately it looks very likely that Shivinder will take over as he fits the criteria of being a Guru (family related, Sikh.turban etc). <br />
</p>Blogger Brian commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35ab3bb200c2018-07-13T06:48:00Z2018-07-13T06:48:04ZBlogger Brianhttp://profile.typepad.com/brihinesJen, don't be ridiculous. I rarely delete a comment. Whey they aren't published, it is because Typepad put it in...<p>Jen, don't be ridiculous. I rarely delete a comment. Whey they aren't published, it is because Typepad put it in the junk comments section. I check for wrongly categorized junk comments regularly, usually once a day. I delete some of the "777" comments when they are meaningless. I've been doing this for quite a while.</p>
<p>Comments are supposed to relate to the blog post. I'm very generous about this, because I realize that some people are using my blog as a sort of message board. That's fine. I just expect that a comment have some meaning to it, and isn't just gibberish. "777" is notorious for those sorts of comments, and they are indeed a distraction to serious commenters, and visitors to my blog who correctly expect that the comments are about a blog post, not about something completely different.</p>
<p>Few blogs or web sites would be as accommodating as I am about off-topic comments. Believe me, I visit numerous newspaper web sites each day, and the comments there almost always pertain to the subject matter of a story. </p>Dungeness commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35ab2f1200c2018-07-13T06:20:49Z2018-07-13T06:20:54ZDungenesshttp://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a532f07a970bMeaning, it just so happens that out of seven billion or so humans, a relative close to Gurinder Singh is...<p><br />
Meaning, it just so happens that out of seven billion or so humans, a relative close to Gurinder Singh is the most guru'y of them all? And taking a broader perspective, that of the five RSSB gurus so far, three have been related, and this makes sense spiritually-speaking? (Sawan Singh, Charan Singh, Gurinder Singh) If Shivinder Singh were to succeed Gurinder Singh, that would make four out of six gurus who were related.</p>
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Brian,</p>
<p>All I know is what I've read in the RSSB books. I certainly think<br />
the rumor of Gurinder's successor is premature. Who is its source,<br />
what is the strength of the evidence, any corroboraters? The same<br />
litmus test applies to Shivinder. Bad optics, accusations, even<br />
investigations don't equate to indictments. Spence's counterpoint<br />
about those charges seems entirely credible to me.</p>
<p>I don't think it's necessarily untoward that gurus of the RSSB<br />
lineage are related. It's not unheard of in other lineages I<br />
recall. But, at this point, I'm hardly in a position to comment.</p>
<p>Nor am I able to personally assess the "merit" of any potential<br />
successor as Jesse seems to allege in a follow-up. But, those<br />
who appear ready to convict without evidence, to leap head<br />
first into the fray on the basis of innuedo, to elevate their<br />
opinion to fact, to trumpet another's guilt in a sophomoric,<br />
shrill manner without a shred of doubt about its truth strike<br />
me as unconscionable.</p>Jesse commented on 'Gurinder Singh's billionaire nephew rumored to succeed him as RSSB guru'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451c0aa69e2022ad35aaf53200c2018-07-13T04:30:20Z2018-07-13T16:19:40ZJesseOne Initiated, Thank you for your expert psychoanalysis. To be honest, I didn't even know I was having a debate...<p>One Initiated, </p>
<p>Thank you for your expert psychoanalysis. </p>
<p>To be honest, I didn't even know I was having a debate with 777 since most of his comments were less than 10 words and contained no grammar. Only you were able to unravel the mystery of my subconscious mind and my irrational hatred for god men and their impending fraud charges.</p>
<p>It all makes sense now.</p>
<p>Bhajan Hard, then Bhajan Harder until you reach the pinnacle. </p>
<p>I'll see you there,</p>
<p>Jesse</p>