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December 29, 2016


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Best post of the year! Thanks!

So many different states of awareness and I seem to flicker from one to the other constantly lol.

I love this quote: "The key to growth is the introduction of higher dimensions of consciousness into our awareness" Lao Tzu

""" I’ve been meditating for 25 years and my mind still wanders. This is simply the nature of the mind. ;) """

With the exception of LOVE


This. I'm not now nor have I ever been a meditator. We are only here for an brief instant and, so far as can be told, we will never be here again. Why would I want to expend effort negating the thing -- thinking about things -- that makes us human?

I smiled at the statement that "thoughts will arise" -- the passive voice, as if thoughts existed outside of thinkers.

Losses of friends, family and acquaintances in recent years makes it impossible for me to pretend that I'm immortal -- I'm fully aware that I'm on the run towards oblivion, with a future that daily grows shorter than the past. I enjoy sleep and naps, which is good, because otherwise I'd probably try to sleep less than is good for me.

in response to 777

"with the exception of LOVE"

What the fuck do you mean by love?

So if you are in love, your mind will not wander?

excuse me - but this sounds like fucking bullshit

Brian is talking about the mind wandering BECAUSE that is the nature of mind. I totally agree.

The mind wanders because that is it's nature.

Like the nature of water is 'wetness'

You can't 'dry' water and you can't still the mind.

you can freeze water - but it's still wet once it defrosts

You can boil it to make steam - but the steam is still wet.

If mind could be stilled (i.e. thoughts stopped) then exactly how
would you kick-start the mind into thinking again - since that
act itself would require a 'thought' and thoughts have stopped.

so you'd be a non-thinking mindless zombie forever.

777 - you say LOVE stills the mind.
please explain.

HOW does it do so?

and define what you mean by love and the context in which you are using it.

There is a zen saying

"when sitting - just SIT

When walking - just WALK

above all - DON'T WOBBLE" - Lin Chi

it means just do whatever you're doing.

If you are doing one thing and thinking about something else - then are you really doing the one thing?

Your mind is doing something else and your body is doing something else - this is called wobbling by Lin Chi.

Wobbling is fine too - as long as you wobble totally. and don't just think about wobbling.

whatever you do - enjoy it - be relaxed in it. If you walk - then walk and simply enjoy the walk - otherwise why bother to walk?

remove the 'should'

The 'should' does not allow you to simply do and enjoy anything. It makes a goal and creates a distance between you and the goal - now you have to achieve and get 'there' (to the goal)

so you are no longer here because you want to be 'there'

this is the 'wobble' doing one thing and wanting it to be something else.

Like meditating and then struggling to bring the mind 'back'

let the fucking mind fucking wander because it likes to wander.
simply watch and enjoy it wandering.

drop the fucking 'should' and wobbling disappears

As someone who also did 2 and 1/2 hours as part of Sant Mat for years, I think all the practices I have committed myself to have been like stepping stones to another place to put my foot. Mindfulness was one as were others. But what I notice is that without effort the mind stills....thoughts come and move and silence comes and thoughts come but nothing stays. There is an ease. Like life.

WTF.....Mike Williams...or ....tAo

What The Fuck said :
"" If mind could be stilled (i.e. thoughts stopped) then exactly how
would you kick-start the mind into thinking again - since that
act itself would require a 'thought' and thoughts have stopped.""

The answer is : I don't know

See it as everything in the Universe - a wave.

ANYWAY ; This Love for Music, for a Person
ask it puber , about his/her first love
They tell you exactly that
They cannot sleep, eat, and thinking hampers because there's only One Thought
almost unwavering
Now add a lot of zeros to the intensity
and you are like that an hour which afterwards seems a minute

Wow, this is so difficult to explain and also one doen't stay at that hight

Even Saints do meditations , with pleasure,
One can never forget -
But the whole RSSB procedure is necessary : The Guide/Friend/Beloved -Loaded Simran-Sweet Sound
Then you'r sucked Up and experience Who You are


I think WTF put it nicely in that mindfulness is just about doing whatever you're doing and being fully present. If you're going for a walk in the woods, then enjoy that walk: look at the trees, listen to the birds, feel the air, smell it... Don't think about how you'd rather be on a beach or that there are bills waiting at home.

Observing thoughts and letting them be is a lot different than getting entangled in them and letting them take you over. But of course someone who has been meditating for so long cannot know the difference. The only way you'd see a difference is if you'd never meditated. That's impossible. Meditation causes brain changes, literally physical changes in the brain. There have been several studies done on this.

Though one study did find that people who meditated more than 20 minutes had no increased changes to their brain, so there probably is an upper limit to how much meditation is still effective. 20 - 30 minutes is probably the sweet point for most Western folk that aren't seeking enlightenment, anything more than that and you're just wasting your time sitting still.

And you're using faulty logic as well. You think our brain was made for the world we're in now? With all the stimuli? It hasn't even had a chance to adapt. Evolution is slow, technological advancement is fast. Our brain wasn't made for endless stimuli through TV, sugary food, endless distractions, gambling, addictive substances.

That's not to say that thinking about the future or past is bad. You're going from one extreme to the next. But there is a balance which most people in this hectic world don't find. Because they're constantly either in the past or the future, but not in the present. They're stressed. That's different from your daydreaming. It's hard to explain to someone who's been meditating for so long. You have all the benefits, but you don't even notice them. It's like trying to explain what a cloudy day is to someone who's been living in sunshine for the last 30 years. It's hard. Be thankful.

hahahahaha -

the difference is tasting a strawberry doesnt make you suffer - thoughts about yourself do. Thoughts about the problem of how to fix your exhaust pipe thats broen without buing a 600 dollar repklacement however are fine.

Meditiation is bunk if your trying to achieve simething by it.. modern m,idfulness is new age nonesense... just understand that thoughts about yourself are just maki ng you suffer,

Hey Brian. Even I use Calm a couple of times a week, sometimes to just listen to that ambient background sound (without the guided mediation), which I really enjoy, sometimes while working on something that requires deep focus, other times just reading a good book. Apart from that, I'm very skeptical about the benefits of the guided mediation focused on breath. I mean, I like that it helps me disconnect from the surroundings, also cut down the noise in my head (those gazillion thoughts). I still prefer starting my day listening to that background music and staying calm for 5-10mins, rather than picking up the phone and start scrolling through the newsfeed or checking my emails. This is my idea of mindfulness for now and it's really helping me start my day on a good note.

I've never believed in any form of meditation that requires you to chant some mantra, just not my thing. Even if I tried I'm sure I'll be laughing my ass of in a few seconds, thinking how absurd the whole thing is.

Sorry about being late to the party, but I can't resist commenting on a few things in this post. First, in the post you say this: "However, if this was all there is to mindfulness meditation, seemingly there wouldn't be much difference between it and everyday life, aside from noticing the mind wandering versus simply having a wandering mind." But the distinction you seem to be dismissing when you say ". . . aside from noticing the mind wandering versus simply having a wandering mind" is the key to mindfulness practice. To treat it as insignificant is what journalists call "burying the lead." The "noticing" that you give the back of the hand to is all the difference and is the whole point of mindfulness practice. You also seem to confuse self-consciousness (which indeed can give you the yips when shooting a basket or trying to make a putt or dancing) with awareness. I can be aware of the breeze against my face, and quite enjoy it without crippling self-consciousness. And you have to know better than to imply that the goal of the practice is elevating the breath to some cosmically important thing. The breath is a vehicle or, better, an anchor, just like a mantra can be and just like thoughts themselves can be. Any anchor can be used to train and calm the mind (which doesn't mean wiping it clean of thoughts). Meditation doesn't have to be an end in itself, and in mindfulness, it isn't. As for elevating thoughts over the breath, there are mindfulness practices that do focus on thoughts. Finally, even if you don't think the mind can (or should be) trained, the practice itself can be quite relaxing and de-stressing. I love your posts, but this one sounded contrary for the sake of contrariness.

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